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Excellent to hear!Ho ho ho I picked a tub up the other day as mentioned above, several workouts in, I can honestly say no love lost in the dmaa less mesomorph
Excellent to hear!Ho ho ho I picked a tub up the other day as mentioned above, several workouts in, I can honestly say no love lost in the dmaa less mesomorph
think this is 3/3 so far from what I've seen on the forums. Looks like Senegalia is legitHo ho ho I picked a tub up the other day as mentioned above, several workouts in, I can honestly say no love lost in the dmaa less mesomorph
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You lucky dog!!!Just got an email from UPS that I have a package from HTP coming tomorrow!
You will love it. It’s the beesShowing delivered!! can't get home to try it though at work
Good honest review. Btw always trust the scale over those inaccurate scoopers supplement companies give you.Here is my initial review.. can copy and paste wherever else you guys would like.
Taste 7/10
Honestly I don't think there is any supplement that will get a 10/10 from me, so 7/10 is pretty good. I got Watermelon and it tastes pretty good, there are no issues drinking it and the Watermelon flavor is pretty strong even in a decent amount of water.
Energy 6/10
My first try was half a scoop, I forgot my headphones and so the gym sucked overall.. but I noticed nothing from half a scoop, but wanted to test it out first.
Second time, I took a level scoop.. the energy was not the greatest. I was expecting more from it, but was also happy with not being over stimulated either. It did get me out of the house and to the gym so it definitely did something, but it was a more subtle increase in energy but relatively low still.
Focus and motivation 7/10
The focus was there, no extreme tunnel vision like with some other pre workouts but I could definitely feel myself able to focus on muscle contractions as opposed to not using any pre workout.. while the energy wasn't huge, I did still want to stay in the gym and put in more at the end which was kind of a weird feeling without the energy. Lol
Pump 6/10
I know Mesomorph isn't known for it's great pump inducing abilities, so I wasn't expecting a huge increase here but it did the job. I got a decent pump while staying relatively lower reps.. I was wearing a hoody the whole time so look wise I'm not sure, but I could still feel it and it helped with the mind muscle concentration which is honestly the best part about pump products to me. The Beta Alanine is way more than I care for, but the tingles should go away with continued use so I'm not too worried about it.
Overall, the product was decent but that is just with one real use so far, so I will keep updating every few workouts and see how it goes. Compared to the original, I am still happy. I don't get the huge craze of DMAA as it doesn't really do a lot for me, so this definitely isn't a step down for me personally. The label does say a rounded scoop is a serving size, but a leveled scoop weighed out as a serving for me. If anyone else can double check and let me know if my scales are off that would be nice.. Lol
Awesome honest review bro, def interested to see if you have some better workouts!Here is my initial review.. can copy and paste wherever else you guys would like.
Taste 7/10
Honestly I don't think there is any supplement that will get a 10/10 from me, so 7/10 is pretty good. I got Watermelon and it tastes pretty good, there are no issues drinking it and the Watermelon flavor is pretty strong even in a decent amount of water.
Energy 6/10
My first try was half a scoop, I forgot my headphones and so the gym sucked overall.. but I noticed nothing from half a scoop, but wanted to test it out first.
Second time, I took a level scoop.. the energy was not the greatest. I was expecting more from it, but was also happy with not being over stimulated either. It did get me out of the house and to the gym so it definitely did something, but it was a more subtle increase in energy but relatively low still.
Focus and motivation 7/10
The focus was there, no extreme tunnel vision like with some other pre workouts but I could definitely feel myself able to focus on muscle contractions as opposed to not using any pre workout.. while the energy wasn't huge, I did still want to stay in the gym and put in more at the end which was kind of a weird feeling without the energy. Lol
Pump 6/10
I know Mesomorph isn't known for it's great pump inducing abilities, so I wasn't expecting a huge increase here but it did the job. I got a decent pump while staying relatively lower reps.. I was wearing a hoody the whole time so look wise I'm not sure, but I could still feel it and it helped with the mind muscle concentration which is honestly the best part about pump products to me. The Beta Alanine is way more than I care for, but the tingles should go away with continued use so I'm not too worried about it.
Overall, the product was decent but that is just with one real use so far, so I will keep updating every few workouts and see how it goes. Compared to the original, I am still happy. I don't get the huge craze of DMAA as it doesn't really do a lot for me, so this definitely isn't a step down for me personally. The label does say a rounded scoop is a serving size, but a leveled scoop weighed out as a serving for me. If anyone else can double check and let me know if my scales are off that would be nice.. Lol
I guess i'll post initial thoughts here.
I also received the Watermelon flavor
I was very eager to get started with this!
I now have 4 workouts in and have a pretty good idea of it's effectiveness.
Smell, Taste Mix 9/10 = All good!! I am NOT a huge watermelon fan, as a matter of fact I would say that when I had jolly ranchers, the watermelon candies would be the only ones left. I usually avoid this flavor, however I am pleasantly surprised by this one! It's on the sour side. It mixes very well and goes down quite nice. You get a little itchy in the face so you know it's doing something!
Time to kick in 9/10= This kicks in pretty average for me around 20 minutes.
Energy 7/10= unfortunately Mesomorph didn't do much at a level scoop, and when going with the recommended rounded scoop it only improves a little better. I can still catch myself yawning when running this. It does seem to keep me pretty level though.
Pumps 7.5/10 Average at best. Again nothing crazy here. After 1.5 hours of pounding chest and tris' I had some pumps but nothing crazy
Crash 7/10 I do feel a little bit of a crash on this. Nothing crazy, just get pretty run down after 3 hours or so.
Focus 8/10 I feel like I have more confidence when lifting heavier weights. I also feel slightly in a better mood than usual.
Worthy note It does seem like strength and endurance are increased when running this, but I would like a couple more workouts to decide on this.
Overall 7.5/10 I had a huge expectation for this that sadly hasn't been delivered. Perhaps my tolerance is worse than I thought. I have ran 3 workouts on an empty stomach and 1 was not. The effects are certainly a stronger on empty but not by much.
Thanks for posting this up man, greatly appreciated.. solid review!Okay so this looks like the place to post up the review for the product.
I am going to give my own rating scale because far too often I see people trying to be nice and give high numbers to a lot of things. They view a rating of 5 as a negative. Well lets be honest here a 5 is the average. Not a negative rating and at this point in the game the average Pre-Workout is actually pretty damn effective in most cases.
Rating on a scale from 1-10 with 5 being the standard / average of similar products.
1.100% suckville!
2. I am not even sure if it did anything...
3. Maybe it did something but I can't believe people pay for this
4. I noticed it working but was not satifsfied
5. Average - this is the average out of all similar products I have sampled... a 5 is perfectly acceptable in any category
6. Slightly better than average but not impressive.
7. Impressed with effects
8. Very Impressed but not WOW'd
9. This crap is the bomb!!! AKA WOW'd
10. I can't really imagine it getting better than this.
ANYTHING ABOVE A 5 IS A POSITIVE REVIEW, and a 5 means I found it to average effect among other pre workouts.
I used the DMAA version, and then used the Senegalia version the following day to have a better comparison. I have to say that most of the characteristics of this version of Mesomorph are identical to the previous version with DMAA. Where I noticed a difference was in the energy and focus provided. I will go into the specifics of each area I focus on with a pre workout below.
Taste - 8.5 - I had the watermelon flavor as well and really enjoyed it. I can't imagine a pre workout ever getting a 10 in taste and to be honest an 8.5 is a pretty damn high rating here.
Mixability - 6 - this one is one I see mentioned all the time and although I don't think it is that important I am rating it here for others. I shake all of my pre workouts for about 5 seconds if that. When finished there are still some course and gritty bits on the bottom of the cup I have to swill the liquid around in the bottom to get them floating so I can shoot them down. It tastes like they may be flavor crystals, or something. Either way the bits are bigger and more than a lot of other Pre-workouts so I give it a 6. I have had products with a lot more particulate and some that the particulate also tasted bad so this is not an issue here at all. Also not a factor that is of great concern to me.
Pumps - 7.5 - Mesomorph has always provided good pumps for me, and this has not changed with the new version. I would not say that the pump is one of it's major qualities that it is sought after since it was always a stim focused product but pumps have never been ridiculous, but have always been good on it.
Increased Endurance - 8 - I found that even though I was not zipping around, I always felt like I could do more. Even after a set to failure in 30 seconds I felt like I could get under the bar again, or could have done cardio longer. Also seemed to get an extra rep in here and there.
Energy - 8.5 - I imagine going from some of the other reviews one might expect this to be lower, however I can't give it less. I REALLY enjoy the feel of the energy provided by this new version. I have to actually mention a new category to differentiate what I think most people apply to the energy category to explain why this less stimmed product gets such a high rating based on energy. However the energy this provides me is very clean, long lasting, and is a pleasant feeling. Maybe even a bit euphoric... By long lasting I mean I have the same energy at the end of my workout as I do getting started. I also have not crashed coming down from it which is a major positive!!!!
Focus 8.5 - Here is a place that for me I think the newer version surpassed the old version quite well. I do not even have to try to be focused with this version. I just am... Whatever it is my mind if on, it goes on it 100% while I am focusing on it. Other things start to fall away as I begin to set up for my next set. For that moment, there is only that set, or that rep.
Aggression / Intensity- 5 - Again a 5 is not a bad review, it is saying that for this category this is average. That is exactly what I would say of this preworkout when it comes to aggression / intensity. It gives me all the tools I need to get a great workout at an elevated level of performance. However it does not give me added aggression or intensity. It leaves supplying that up to me. I have to be my own source of motivation, it does not provide "artificial motivation" AKA intensified aggression. This is the feature of the product I think many were unimpressed with and calling it energy for lack of a better word. I also think that it being Mesomorph, one of the most aggressive and intense pre-workouts out there, was a big let down to those who were expecting that type of intensity and aggression that Mesomorph has been known for since it's creation. With this version you get the increased energy but the drive to just get at the weight, and or feeling like a caged animal, pacing back and forth between sets from the intensity is missing. I believe that also has to do with the higher level of euphoric feeling of the product. So from a very aggressive feel to a very good / euphoric feel is quite a difference in type of energy and not a welcome one to those looking for more aggression..
The total average score I give to the new Mesomorph is a 7.4/10 if this were a pass fail score like school then a 5 would be a C, and this at a 7.4 would be a solid B+.
acacia rigidula was also in several hi-tech stim/fat burners....just sayinIs Senegallia the same as Acacia Rigidula like iForce Conqueer 60 servs tub 5 years ago ?
Phenadrine V2, Dexaprine xr and other some Lipodrene ?acacia rigidula was also in several hi-tech stim/fat burners....just sayin
Have you used OL Re1gn.Official Review:
I honestly was looking for a product that would surpass the old in terms of energy, pump, taste, and focus.
Taste: 3/5
Honestly I wasn’t feeling this for a watermelon flavor. It’s a little too weak for me and if I was blind testing I would ever have guessed watermelon. It’s drinkable for sure but not exactly something I’d rave about.
Energy: 3/5 Honestly a very smooth transition but pretty lackluster from what it started with. The huge positive is that there’s no crash period but I didn’t feel like this was a high stim PWO at all. With saying that it’s just didn’t give me the get ready attitude I’m used to from a stimulant PWO.
Pump: 1/5 Probably my biggest issue. Looking at the label I was expecting impressive pumps and endurance with this product. Only the Endurance seemed present. Increased work capacity is great but I didn’t feel like the transition to a pump improvement was there. No boost in vascularity and I keep my intensity pretty high.
Focus: 3/5 Honestly the most subjective measure simply because we are all motivated differently.
Miscellaneous: mixed very easily but def some leftover residue in the bottle. Fine powder that I would notice later when cleaning the bottle.
Beta Alanine was noticed early on but faded after the first week. More or less I did feel the full recommended dose was present and the endurance benefits I believe came from there.
Overall: 2/5
I was floored by the lack of pump. I can’t forgive it. Energy was ok but that’s all. C4 has decent energy. I personally wouldn’t buy this product but I will say it could be good for those just starting out and in similar size to myself.
I’ve actually been talking to some friends at the Nutrition Corners about it. I wanted to but I couldn’t get the feedback I needed from reps so I personally left it alone.Have you used OL Re1gn.
Honestly this is one of the better reviews I have seen in the last few years. Thanks againOkay so this looks like the place to post up the review for the product.
I am going to give my own rating scale because far too often I see people trying to be nice and give high numbers to a lot of things. They view a rating of 5 as a negative. Well lets be honest here a 5 is the average. Not a negative rating and at this point in the game the average Pre-Workout is actually pretty damn effective in most cases.
Rating on a scale from 1-10 with 5 being the standard / average of similar products.
1.100% suckville!
2. I am not even sure if it did anything...
3. Maybe it did something but I can't believe people pay for this
4. I noticed it working but was not satifsfied
5. Average - this is the average out of all similar products I have sampled... a 5 is perfectly acceptable in any category
6. Slightly better than average but not impressive.
7. Impressed with effects
8. Very Impressed but not WOW'd
9. This crap is the bomb!!! AKA WOW'd
10. I can't really imagine it getting better than this.
ANYTHING ABOVE A 5 IS A POSITIVE REVIEW, and a 5 means I found it to average effect among other pre workouts.
I used the DMAA version, and then used the Senegalia version the following day to have a better comparison. I have to say that most of the characteristics of this version of Mesomorph are identical to the previous version with DMAA. Where I noticed a difference was in the energy and focus provided. I will go into the specifics of each area I focus on with a pre workout below.
Taste - 8.5 - I had the watermelon flavor as well and really enjoyed it. I can't imagine a pre workout ever getting a 10 in taste and to be honest an 8.5 is a pretty damn high rating here.
Mixability - 6 - this one is one I see mentioned all the time and although I don't think it is that important I am rating it here for others. I shake all of my pre workouts for about 5 seconds if that. When finished there are still some course and gritty bits on the bottom of the cup I have to swill the liquid around in the bottom to get them floating so I can shoot them down. It tastes like they may be flavor crystals, or something. Either way the bits are bigger and more than a lot of other Pre-workouts so I give it a 6. I have had products with a lot more particulate and some that the particulate also tasted bad so this is not an issue here at all. Also not a factor that is of great concern to me.
Pumps - 7.5 - Mesomorph has always provided good pumps for me, and this has not changed with the new version. I would not say that the pump is one of it's major qualities that it is sought after since it was always a stim focused product but pumps have never been ridiculous, but have always been good on it.
Increased Endurance - 8 - I found that even though I was not zipping around, I always felt like I could do more. Even after a set to failure in 30 seconds I felt like I could get under the bar again, or could have done cardio longer. Also seemed to get an extra rep in here and there.
Energy - 8.5 - I imagine going from some of the other reviews one might expect this to be lower, however I can't give it less. I REALLY enjoy the feel of the energy provided by this new version. I have to actually mention a new category to differentiate what I think most people apply to the energy category to explain why this less stimmed product gets such a high rating based on energy. However the energy this provides me is very clean, long lasting, and is a pleasant feeling. Maybe even a bit euphoric... By long lasting I mean I have the same energy at the end of my workout as I do getting started. I also have not crashed coming down from it which is a major positive!!!!
Focus 8.5 - Here is a place that for me I think the newer version surpassed the old version quite well. I do not even have to try to be focused with this version. I just am... Whatever it is my mind if on, it goes on it 100% while I am focusing on it. Other things start to fall away as I begin to set up for my next set. For that moment, there is only that set, or that rep.
Aggression / Intensity- 5 - Again a 5 is not a bad review, it is saying that for this category this is average. That is exactly what I would say of this preworkout when it comes to aggression / intensity. It gives me all the tools I need to get a great workout at an elevated level of performance. However it does not give me added aggression or intensity. It leaves supplying that up to me. I have to be my own source of motivation, it does not provide "artificial motivation" AKA intensified aggression. This is the feature of the product I think many were unimpressed with and calling it energy for lack of a better word. I also think that it being Mesomorph, one of the most aggressive and intense pre-workouts out there, was a big let down to those who were expecting that type of intensity and aggression that Mesomorph has been known for since it's creation. With this version you get the increased energy but the drive to just get at the weight, and or feeling like a caged animal, pacing back and forth between sets from the intensity is missing. I believe that also has to do with the higher level of euphoric feeling of the product. So from a very aggressive feel to a very good / euphoric feel is quite a difference in type of energy and not a welcome one to those looking for more aggression..
The total average score I give to the new Mesomorph is a 7.4/10 if this were a pass fail score like school then a 5 would be a C, and this at a 7.4 would be a solid B+.
they contain several key actives, all based on the phenethylamine stimulantsIs Senegallia the same as Acacia Rigidula like iForce Conqueer 60 servs tub 5 years ago ?
Ok so it's different, a little difference can do much like adding a methyl group somewhere...From one of the HiTech Fat Burners
Senegalia Berlandieri
Hi-Tech Pharmaceuticals Black Piranha Ingredients
Black Piranha packs a whopping 65mg Coca Leaf extract alongside a moderate 200mg caffeine and a truckload of bonus stims to enhance fat burning and appetite suppression.
Similar to Acacia Rigidula, Senegalia Berlandieri extract is another plant-based extract providing a 150mg dose of several PEA alkaloids including B-Phenylethylamine and N-Methyl-B-Phenylethylamine. This promotes a strong boost in energy and mood thanks to the increase in dopamine and adrenaline levels in the body.
Studies using acacia extract (which this essential is) demonstrates that it has the same fat-burning, energy boosting effects as 30mg of ephedrine[1,2], but this is a far safer, and legal option!
So Senegalia is very similar, but not the same, and that depends on if that is the right type of Senegalia, there seem to be multiple type of this plant. Each extract could be quite different.
Feels nothing like ephedrine, if you are looking for a stim heavy pre workout then Mesomorph w Senegalia is not for you. It is a major step away from the high stim preworkout that it used to be. I would say it is more long the lines of a moderate energy, and high focus oriented preworkout now.Ok so it's different, a little difference can do much like adding a methyl group somewhere...
I asked because iF Conqueer was way too strong for me and me buddy, and I agree with the study it feelt like ephedrine on us : wanted to pee every 2 minutes all day in the class holly sheeeet ��
I would like to try this Senegalia meso if everyone know when can I get a sample for the science
The same type of feeling provided by Lipodrene Elite ? It has 175 mg of senegalia omg #loveFeels nothing like ephedrine, if you are looking for a stim heavy pre workout then Mesomorph w Senegalia is not for you. It is a major step away from the high stim preworkout that it used to be. I would say it is more long the lines of a moderate energy, and high focus oriented preworkout now.
Yeah, I ran that recently and this does have a similar feel to it. The same euphoric, long lasting energy that just kept you wanting to move. Not a driving force type of energy, more like your own energy, just more of it than usual. IE it is a feel good stim.The same type of feeling provided by Lipodrene Elite ? It has 175 mg of senegalia omg #love
If you already tried APS White Lightning (pill 515 mg) how do you compare it to LIpodrene Elite/Meso Senegalia ? ThanksYeah, I ran that recently and this does have a similar feel to it. The same euphoric, long lasting energy that just kept you wanting to move. Not a driving force type of energy, more like your own energy, just more of it than usual. IE it is a feel good stim.
I have had the APS White Lightning pills before, but not sure on the version, it was way stronger than this. However it was also a few years ago, so I imagine it is a newer version and has probably been dialed back down a bit since then with the newer laws.If you already tried APS White Lightning (pill 515 mg) how do you compare it to LIpodrene Elite/Meso Senegalia ? Thanks