Ment (trestolone)

[Matthersby]

I'm gonna try trest and a dht probably winny, without test at some point before the year is over. Probably 50mg trest eod and 50 winny everyday. Any suggestions on estrogen control from day 1 of trest. Mind you I don't get estrogen sides on 600mg test

I’d have to say, 150/week and below is where estro is somewhat manageable for me. Add in Winnie and you may have no trouble at all. No need for AI probably other than what you normally take. Just some low dose Ralox on hand.

 

[trumac]

I’d have to say, 150/week and below is where estro is somewhat manageable for me. Add in Winnie and you may have no trouble at all. No need for AI probably other than what you normally take. Just some low dose Ralox on hand.

This is what I’m going to be trying as far as trest. 4 weeks of msten at the start and 150mg/wk of trest for a couple months.

 

[Matthersby]

This is what I’m going to be trying as far as trest. 4 weeks of msten at the start and 150mg/wk of trest for a couple months.

You are going to freaking be amazed.
Msten/Trest was like my 18th cycle(well, blast)
And it was the third most effective... that really never happens. Number 2 was Trest/SD, and the number 1 was 5 years earlier, and they damn near tied it! Deca/Test/SD kicker/Dbol finisher.

 

[trumac]

You are going to freaking be amazed.
Msten/Trest was like my 18th cycle(well, blast)
And it was the third most effective... that really never happens. Number 2 was Trest/SD, and the number 1 was 5 years earlier, and they damn near tied it! Deca/Test/SD kicker/Dbol finisher.

I have tried TD and oral trest over the years. Ive never done IM but I figure with the start of TRT why not. I’ll get a feel for it for a bit before my bloods and probably do the same after and just use it based around my bloodwork.

 

[Matthersby]

I have tried TD and oral trest over the years. Ive never done IM but I figure with the start of TRT why not. I’ll get a feel for it for a bit before my bloods and probably do the same after and just use it based around my bloodwork.

The crazy thing is it’s been the most favorable on my bloodwork of any injectable.
SHBG Prolactin, Lipids/Cholesterol, H&H, all of it.
I’ve been able to run it 4 months with less bloodwork issues than 4 weeks of an oral.

 

[trumac]

The crazy thing is it’s been the most favorable on my bloodwork of any injectable.
SHBG Prolactin, Lipids/Cholesterol, H&H, all of it.
I’ve been able to run it 4 months with less bloodwork issues than 4 weeks of an oral.

Awesome. I’ll just have to take a break to get test levels right then hopefully

 

[Matthersby]

Awesome. I’ll just have to take a break to get test levels right then hopefully

Ya, it won’t mess with your test levels but several others will be affected by it and your doc will likely make adjustments or figure out you are using other aas. Either way, best to drop it 4 weeks out and get your own labs and see where you’re at, post them on here if necessary.

 

[Smont]

I’d have to say, 150/week and below is where estro is somewhat manageable for me. Add in Winnie and you may have no trouble at all. No need for AI probably other than what you normally take. Just some low dose Ralox on hand.

Exem is what I usually keep on hand

 

[trumac]

Ya, it won’t mess with your test levels but several others will be affected by it and your doc will likely make adjustments or figure out you are using other aas. Either way, best to drop it 4 weeks out and get your own labs and see where you’re at, post them on here if necessary.

Only issue is where I live you can’t get labs yourself. Has to be ordered by a doc. So I’m just gonna switch to my TRT dose four weeks out and hope. Make sure I’m taking support supplements and such.

 

[trumac]

Would you recommend some sort of DHT derivative alongside? I honestly don’t even know what’s out there anymore, it’s been years since I’ve run anything at all

 

[Matthersby]

Would you recommend some sort of DHT derivative alongside? I honestly don’t even know what’s out there anymore, it’s been years since I’ve run anything at all

Just take Anavar.
Less sides than most Sarms, better results.
And your libido should be fine.

 

[trumac]

Just take Anavar.
Less sides than most Sarms, better results.
And your libido should be fine.

I wasn’t planning on any sarms and I’m not worried about my libido. Were you meaning to answer that thread the dude was asking about libido and sarms?

I was thinking a DHT to compliment the trest and counteract some of the estrogen sides.

 

[Outofbody]

I wasn’t planning on any sarms and I’m not worried about my libido. Were you meaning to answer that thread the dude was asking about libido and sarms?

I was thinking a DHT to compliment the trest and counteract some of the estrogen sides.

I’m grabbing some proviron to take alongside. Doing a long run with it now and thinking of adding in primo now too for 4 months or so.

 

[Matthersby]

I wasn’t planning on any sarms and I’m not worried about my libido. Were you meaning to answer that thread the dude was asking about libido and sarms?

I was thinking a DHT to compliment the trest and counteract some of the estrogen sides.

Day one on Proviron about 75/mg.
I’ll let you know how it works.
Though in my experience, ralox and any DHT and I’ve got zero estro problems on Trest.

 

[trumac]

Day one on Proviron about 75/mg.
I’ll let you know how it works.
Though in my experience, ralox and any DHT and I’ve got zero estro problems on Trest.

Yeah I have Ralox on the way. I need to stick with legal alternatives bc of my work so no proviron for me. I need to figure a legal option.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Yeah I have Ralox on the way. I need to stick with legal alternatives bc of my work so no proviron for me. I need to figure a legal option.

Swole Patrol from Gainbusters. It’s a 3AD product. Hyde logged it a bit ago, he really liked it.

 

[trumac]

Swole Patrol from Gainbusters. It’s a 3AD product. Hyde logged it a bit ago, he really liked it.

Thanks bro. Today is the last day to use CLASSICCHAMP for 25% off too if anyone needs anything from them. How high are people running 3AD?

Edit: looked at some logs and ordered some. People seem to like it.

So it’ll be

Msten 4 weeks
Trest ace 150/week for 8
3AD for 8 weeks
Ralox as needed
Then back to TRT as prescribed

 

[Matthersby]

Thanks bro. Today is the last day to use CLASSICCHAMP for 25% off too if anyone needs anything from them. How high are people running 3AD?

Edit: looked at some logs and ordered some. People seem to like it.

So it’ll be

Msten 4 weeks
Trest ace 150/week for 8
3AD for 8 weeks
Ralox as needed
Then back to TRT as prescribed

That’s one hell of an effective legal stack.
I’d put it up against most illegal aas stacks.

 

[Outofbody]

Hey guys, planning out my Sept-Jan 4 month cruise (well, moderate cycle). Which looks better?

150mg/week trest ace
2-300mg/week primo
75mg/day proviron

or

150mg/week trest ace
2-300mg/week primo
300mg/week mast

or

150mg/week trest ace
300mg/week mast
75mg/day proviron

I think number one would be effective and yet safest on my lab #'s?

 

[Renew1]

Hey guys, planning out my Sept-Jan 4 month cruise (well, moderate cycle). Which looks better?

150mg/week trest ace
2-300mg/week primo
75mg/day proviron

or

150mg/week trest ace
2-300mg/week primo
300mg/week mast

or

150mg/week trest ace
300mg/week mast
75mg/day proviron

I think number one would be effective and yet safest on my lab #'s?

#1 looks good to me, personally.

 

[trumac]

Thanks bro. Today is the last day to use CLASSICCHAMP for 25% off too if anyone needs anything from them. How high are people running 3AD?

Edit: looked at some logs and ordered some. People seem to like it.

So it’ll be

Msten 4 weeks
Trest ace 150/week for 8
3AD for 8 weeks
Ralox as needed
Then back to TRT as prescribed

I also have some M1A and Dimethandrostenol neither of which I have any experience with that could be subbed for the msten. I have used msten and really like it tho. I also just found some of Nostrums androsterone TD that I can sub in for the 3AD or use to extend or cover the DHT end of things now or in the future.

 

[Matthersby]

Hey guys, planning out my Sept-Jan 4 month cruise (well, moderate cycle). Which looks better?

150mg/week trest ace
2-300mg/week primo
75mg/day proviron

or

150mg/week trest ace
2-300mg/week primo
300mg/week mast

or

150mg/week trest ace
300mg/week mast
75mg/day proviron

I think number one would be effective and yet safest on my lab #'s?

I’m obsessed with Proviron lately. Other than some lipid issues, it does some pretty amazing things. I’ve used mast, didn’t blow me away, Proviron 2 days in and I’m already liking it a lot. Dropped letro dose even more, drying out already, and thick and full still. I’m right at 75.
I’m gonna buy 6 months of it to run at that dose or even higher

 

[Outofbody]

I’m obsessed with Proviron lately. Other than some lipid issues, it does some pretty amazing things. I’ve used mast, didn’t blow me away, Proviron 2 days in and I’m already liking it a lot. Dropped letro dose even more, drying out already, and thick and full still. I’m right at 75.
I’m gonna buy 6 months of it to run at that dose or even higher

I'm taking a look at the Humalog Lyspro Kwikpen now too. This is what I'm able to get. 300 units preloaded and can multi-dose between 0-60 units. Seems great. I think between this and the primo/proviron/trest, I should get some nice density going on this fall.

 

[Matthersby]

I'm taking a look at the Humalog Lyspro Kwikpen now too. This is what I'm able to get. 300 units preloaded and can multi-dose between 0-60 units. Seems great. I think between this and the primo/proviron/trest, I should get some nice density going on this fall.

I’ve got an intraworkout shake to use with that
thats freaking amazing, once you get to pinning slin preworkout. Also, you legit need to have 500grams fast acting carbs WITHIN arms reach for 5 straight hours. No matter what.

 

[Outofbody]

I’ve got an intraworkout shake to use with that
thats freaking amazing, once you get to pinning slin preworkout. Also, you legit need to have 500grams fast acting carbs WITHIN arms reach for 5 straight hours. No matter what.

Oh damn.. PREworkout? That means there's a high chance of going hypo during the workout haha.. I would need to be drinking fast carbs throughout my whole workout. I'm guessing on this protocol, I can't train at night anymore and would have to switch to the mornings, to make time for all the post workout nutrition and monitoring of blood glucose levels.

 

[Outofbody]

I have a crapload of metformin at home (non-prescribed). Should I take this for a while before I start the slin, to make myself more insulin-sensitive? Prime those receptors...

 

[Matthersby]

Oh damn.. PREworkout? That means there's a high chance of going hypo during the workout haha.. I would need to be drinking fast carbs throughout my whole workout. I'm guessing on this protocol, I can't train at night anymore and would have to switch to the mornings, to make time for all the post workout nutrition and monitoring of blood glucose levels.

All correct. Please for the love of GOD don’t go to the gym at 9 and crash at midnight. This won’t work out well for you. If Lispro is active for 5 hours, I like to eat for 6.
Pre workout you don’t want to start with, you want to get a feel for a little hypo and you will after long enough bc like all humans, when we don’t see problems over and over, we eventually get lazy. It will happen, you just need to be prepared. So post workout is perfectly fine until you get comfortable with a little hypos
But consider this, (this is just a guess) if Lispro peaks at 2.5 hours, you can pin it 2.5 hours prior to your gym time. Then eat a big carb rich meal, snack on gummies for a few hours every 45min, have a monster intrashake with whopping amounts of dextrose, BCAAs, creatine and Glutamine(as much as you can fit in a shaker)
A monster post workout meal, and all while having 500grams of sugar in either dextrose tabs or gummies nearby, eat for just 3 more hours.
I got way more gains from fast slin, Lantus just made me fatter and is much better with GH. In fact it’s much much much better to use slin alongside peptides or growth. But I’ve never seen gains like pwo slin with good aas.
I’ve never used slin on leg day. It’s too hard to recognize fatigue and hypo.

 

[Matthersby]

I used to buy the strawberry BCAAs that have creatine and glutamine in them from Walmart, mixed into a Gatorade with several scoops powder dextrose. It was like 10/10/10/150
Creatine Glutamine BCAA Dextrose/Simple sugars.
Came out to like $4 a workout

 

[Outofbody]

All correct. Please for the love of GOD don’t go to the gym at 9 and crash at midnight. This won’t work out well for you. If Lispro is active for 5 hours, I like to eat for 6.
Pre workout you don’t want to start with, you want to get a feel for a little hypo and you will after long enough bc like all humans, when we don’t see problems over and over, we eventually get lazy. It will happen, you just need to be prepared. So post workout is perfectly fine until you get comfortable with a little hypos
But consider this, (this is just a guess) if Lispro peaks at 2.5 hours, you can pin it 2.5 hours prior to your gym time. Then eat a big carb rich meal, snack on gummies for a few hours every 45min, have a monster intrashake with whopping amounts of dextrose, BCAAs, creatine and Glutamine(as much as you can fit in a shaker)
A monster post workout meal, and all while having 500grams of sugar in either dextrose tabs or gummies nearby, eat for just 3 more hours.
I got way more gains from fast slin, Lantus just made me fatter and is much better with GH. In fact it’s much much much better to use slin alongside peptides or growth. But I’ve never seen gains like pwo slin with good aas.
I’ve never used slin on leg day. It’s too hard to recognize fatigue and hypo.

Oh I know that hypo feeling! Once in a while if I don't eat post workout in the evenings for more than 2 hrs, I full on start shivering/full body shaking, it's kinda scary. Happened to me a few times including once this week. That's when I shovel in the fast carbs and lay down till it goes away.

 

[Outofbody]

How do you dose fast slin with GH peptides pre-workout? Can you take both at the same time without them interfering with each other? Optimally, I'd like to do that.

 

[Matthersby]

How do you dose fast slin with GH peptides pre-workout? Can you take both at the same time without them interfering with each other? Optimally, I'd like to do that.

Nope. Still got great gains. They are supposed to be used together. They work together flawlessly.
This year is the first year I’ll be using peptides.
Saw what they can do with BPC and TB500 and was so amazed I purchased a gram of MK and a month of CJCw/DAC
Looking forward to stronger tendons on my old ass.

 

[Outofbody]

Nope. Still got great gains. They are supposed to be used together. They work together flawlessly.
This year is the first year I’ll be using peptides.
Saw what they can do with BPC and TB500 and was so amazed I purchased a gram of MK and a month of CJCw/DAC
Looking forward to stronger tendons on my old ass.

Nice, yeah I've used TB500 post SLAP repair to great success, and used BPC-157 on my knee, which feels great now. I love ipamorelin with CJCw/DAC.

 

[Matthersby]

Nice, yeah I've used TB500 post SLAP repair to great success, and used BPC-157 on my knee, which feels great now. I love ipamorelin with CJCw/DAC.

I know I like the price on Ipamorelin, and it’s supposed to add on well even to my healing peps.
Just wish I had 1k a month I could devote to aas, but I’ve now got two kids in middle school and they are bleeding me, vacations are bleeding me, Costco is bleeding me, our house and cars are killing me. It’s the best I’ve ever lived but it’s jus like, the more you make, you still find a way to be broke prior to next payday, just with nicer ****.

 

[Outofbody]

I know I like the price on Ipamorelin, and it’s supposed to add on well even to my healing peps.
Just wish I had 1k a month I could devote to aas, but I’ve now got two kids in middle school and they are bleeding me, vacations are bleeding me, Costco is bleeding me, our house and cars are killing me. It’s the best I’ve ever lived but it’s jus like, the more you make, you still find a way to be broke prior to next payday, just with nicer ****.

Ha I hear you!! Congrats on all of that though! I've been living a purely selfish city life in NYC for some time now, but I'm feeling the call to settle down soon, as I'm turning 42 this year. It's just been me and my bulldog and a rotating selection of women. After this long cruise on trest though, I likely will never be able to have kids LOL.. it's not the only long cycle I've ever done. Gonna need me some major fertility drugs.

 

[Chados]

Me and Swim had a thread called Insulin Q and A.
Had some good info but you really gotta be proactive.
I went hypo several times on just 8-12ius. Became good at spotting it and never really freaked out, just ate some gummy worms and moved on. However once I went so hypo I had to sit in my office and eat 350grams of dextrose and high fructose over 15 minutes until I felt better. My only guess is I got some in a vein, which is supposed to kill you. Scary af and keeps you on your toes.

I made a thread and tagged you but not sure you saw it. A guy at the gym has a girlfriend that takes caber for libido. I know you use it but have you ever heard a woman taking it outside of medical purposes?

 

[Matthersby]

I made a thread and tagged you but not sure you saw it. A guy at the gym has a girlfriend that takes caber for libido. I know you use it but have you ever heard a woman taking it outside of medical purposes?

Hey! OG OP!
Me and OutofBody took over your thread a while ago. Good to have you back...

 

[Chados]

Hey! OG OP!
Me and OutofBody took over your thread a while ago. Good to have you back...

Haha glad to be back and its fine, i lost track since the update made it impossible to be subscribed to this thread.. If you can have a good discussion that's great!

 

[Matthersby]

Haha glad to be back and its fine, i lost track since the update made it impossible to be subscribed to this thread.. If you can have a good discussion that's great!

Did you ever find a source for IM Trest? Customs is a bytch where you are?

 

[Chados]

Did you ever find a source for IM Trest? Customs is a bytch where you are?

Nah not a bitch but its always a risk outside eu as the members of eu dont open the packages ever if its not suspicious or maybe a dog can smell it. While us isnt a country were suspicious of, they changed the customs so that we pay a fine (this is due to too much work for the postal service when we buy cheap **** from China). Chances are they open just to see wether the package actually has what is said to be. To answer your question yes! but from uk. Here in sweden i can find anything except trest .

 

[Smont]

Hey guys, planning out my Sept-Jan 4 month cruise (well, moderate cycle). Which looks better?

150mg/week trest ace
2-300mg/week primo
75mg/day proviron

or

150mg/week trest ace
2-300mg/week primo
300mg/week mast

or

150mg/week trest ace
300mg/week mast
75mg/day proviron

I think number one would be effective and yet safest on my lab #'s?

I like 3 just because I trust the mast being real more then primo. Know lots of ppl who have got primo that ended up being mast or test prop

 

[Matthersby]

Just wanted to share a little aas porn with you guys....

Yes, that’s 50ml’s of 75mg/Trest Ace
Fuggin sexy ain’t it?

 

[Renew1]

Just wanted to share a little aas porn with you guys....
View attachment 185366
Yes, that’s 50ml’s of 75mg/Trest Ace
Fuggin sexy ain’t it?

Heyyy... I know that label!

(It says 10ml??)

 

[Outofbody]

I like 3 just because I trust the mast being real more then primo. Know lots of ppl who have got primo that ended up being mast or test prop

I was thinking of ordering my primo from a ugl in China, if you know the one. The reptilian flying monster. I know we can’t name names on this board, but everything I’ve had from them has been great.

 

[trumac]

Just wanted to share a little aas porn with you guys....
View attachment 185366
Yes, that’s 50ml’s of 75mg/Trest Ace
Fuggin sexy ain’t it?

I’m sitting here with everything except the trest not even knowing if and when it’ll show up. Getting real anxious to start this.

 

[Matthersby]

Heyyy... I know that label!

(It says 10ml??)

Cheap bastards.
Print a new label for the jug, ya know?

 

[Renew1]

Cheap bastards.
Print a new label for the jug, ya know?

LOL

 

[mase1]

Yeah says 10mL? Not 50mL, get a sharpie and write it in

 

[Renew1]

Yeah says 10mL? Not 50mL, get a sharpie and write it in

No way Dude.
If you're gonna change it, change it to 100ml.
MOAARR!!!!

 

[Matthersby]

No way Dude.
If you're gonna change it, change it to 100ml.
MOAARR!!!!

Kinda bummed, my trainer is seriously “less is more” and he’s gonna want me to jump off everything and just cruise while we work the first half of the offseason.
So I got this sexy huge Trest vial I’ve only pinned a few weeks of, and I gotta sideline it.


I’d be very open to a 100ml vial of Trest Ace.
Surprised it’s not available yet.

 

[Renew1]

Kinda bummed, my trainer is seriously “less is more” and he’s gonna want me to jump off everything and just cruise while we work the first half of the offseason.
So I got this sexy huge Trest vial I’ve only pinned a few weeks of, and I gotta sideline it.


I’d be very open to a 100ml vial of Trest Ace.
Surprised it’s not available yet.

Ugh. That sucks.