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Mattrag and MankoOyaji's leanville quest with Mdrol/AH

damn bro sorry to hear your struggling, sounds like you need to start back up on that daa. my libido has gotten much better since i started about 2-3 weeks ago, got some aggression along with it, not sure how i feel about that though lol
 
Srt4Muscle said:
damn bro sorry to hear your struggling, sounds like you need to start back up on that daa. my libido has gotten much better since i started about 2-3 weeks ago, got some aggression along with it, not sure how i feel about that though lol
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If it didnt tear me up inside... Id take it more...
 
mattrag said:
oh yea, I dropped Osta as of Day 14 (2 weeks after not being back was not a good thing. Also, could be my ostarine is spiked lol).
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I tried the ostarine a few weeks ago all I noticed was huge emotional swings I stopped it after a week and a half I felt like a girl not using that again Idk what was in it but not gona risk it again lol
 
bigdavid said:
I tried the ostarine a few weeks ago all I noticed was huge emotional swings I stopped it after a week and a half I felt like a girl not using that again Idk what was in it but not gona risk it again lol
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hmm.. I didnt get any of those sides lol. Im going to run it when I get back from Hawaii in Japan. ;)
 
mattrag said:
hmm.. I didnt get any of those sides lol. Im going to run it when I get back from Hawaii in Japan. ;)
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idk I just did not feel right on it.. i wish there was a way I could test to see if what we get is really legit. I still have 30 pills left Ill keep them stashed in my drawer of random supplements incase I wana try it again lol
 
mattrag said:
If it didnt tear me up inside... Id take it more...
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Have you tried Testforce2, much more soluble= less gastrointestinal upset
 
bigdavid said:
idk I just did not feel right on it.. i wish there was a way I could test to see if what we get is really legit. I still have 30 pills left Ill keep them stashed in my drawer of random supplements incase I wana try it again lol
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You can send it to Pat for analysis, last I heard his going rate was $100, but you'd need to check with him. Perhaps you could get a couple of bro's to throw in with you. it would be worth it to validate the source
 
truthornothin said:
You can send it to Pat for analysis, last I heard his going rate was $100, but you'd need to check with him. Perhaps you could get a couple of bro's to throw in with you. it would be worth it to validate the source
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Might not be a bad idea. That way I'd know what was is in it too. Lol.
 
bigdavid said:
I tried the ostarine a few weeks ago all I noticed was huge emotional swings I stopped it after a week and a half I felt like a girl not using that again Idk what was in it but not gona risk it again lol
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I wonder if they mixed up clomid with your osta, lol.

You get it from mp?
 
Sourdough said:
I wonder if they mixed up clomid with your osta, lol.

You get it from mp?
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I think he got it from there. ;)

PCT day 22

I'm feeling a little better (or maybe I just got used to be low libido...). Feeling strong again.
Could be the couple days of rest coupled with the decreased training volume as well. Today I will hit it hard again ;)

P.S. I am dropping nolva and just running clomid at 75mgs for 3 more days, then 50mgs for 7 days. I unfortunately will be running out of my AI... Natty said he'd send me an Erase Pro but I guess he forgot =\ I won't have till I get home in Hawaii (I ordered some) not sure if I will be running that as well to control estrogen Post PCT, but I have my Post PCT stack waiting for me, along with a serm and adex. Reason for me dropping my nolva is I think my body's estrogen is too low so I am going to just use one serm. I tend to like clomid better so im running clomid. The past couple of days the boys have been noticeably fuller so I assume it's working and is not bunk. :)
 
PCT day 22
Today I have completely dropped my Nolva dose and am just using Clomid at 100mgs. Feeling a little more full. Libido is sux0rs though.... Went back down wtf. Seriously lol. Hopefully with nolva gone I will be back sooner, SERMs can kill libido I know... but man... PCT day 22? lol. Okay well, I'm going to aim for a series of PRs today so I'm hoping all goes well. ;)

I'm on the fence about a couple of purchases as well. Thinking I should wait on um though.
 
from what i have heard about clomid it may kill your libido while you are taking it since it can interact with estrogen receptors in the brain? but when you stop the clomid therapy your libido will bounce back up since your test has normalized while on the clomid and removing the clomid from the body will make things feel normal again. Feeling "fuller" is deff a good sign
 
bigdavid said:
your libido being down actually might be a good sign that you got legit clomid..
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yea I actually think my stuff might just be underdosed as there was indeed DEFINITE filling of the balls and libido UP and then DOWN. So unless it's ALL in my head something is in here... maybe it was clumped up at the bottom lol!
 
mattrag said:
Yea you are lucky my friend.... DAA from AI is like 20 bucks, lasts 100 days at full dose.
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thats what i got lol, on a side note im pretty sure nolva and sometimes clomid can be libido killers. i believe i had this problem during my previous PCT. also when i felt some weird sensations in my nipples, i took nolva for a week and a half and it killed my libido completely. have you ever had a problems with serms and libido before, or heard of such things?
 
lmao just read the 3 post before mine haha, so yeah serms jack up your libido. so def a sign your shiz is legit and hopefully getting you back on track minus libido.
 
Workout

Bent over row
135x15
225x10
295x3
345x5
345x5 -> 295x8 -> 225x12

CG bench press
135x10
135x14
225x5
225x5 (PR)

Shoulder press
45x30
95x10
135x3
145x10
145x10

Sumo Squat

135x10
135x10
225x10
275x10 (PR)
275x10

Skull crushers
45x15
45x15
65x10
65x10

EZ bar curl
70x15
110x5
110x5
80x21

Side/front/rear laterals
18/18/18 x2
 
Sick a$$ numbers as usual! Is that a PR is pct????.......
 
Matt cant I guess you decided to leave the mangina at the house and pull out some more pr's... Congrats bruddah.
 
LiveToLift said:
Sick a$$ numbers as usual! Is that a PR is pct????.......
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Onlychevy6 said:
Matt cant I guess you decided to leave the mangina at the house and pull out some more pr's... Congrats bruddah.
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Hahah, yea I am riding the "I better lift heavy or lose my gains" mind set. I want these gains to stick. PCT is going like hell but I am still strong. The drop set was a PR as well... just cause it was so many reps nonstop at that high intensity. Cant wait till I get out of this though.....

The EZ bar curl was so heavy I almost fell forward lifting it up... (I use no swing ;) )
 
you know ive never swung weights, i even stand against a wall sometimes to keep from cheating but i been watching lots of bodybuilder videos and they all ****ing swing the weights. whats up with that???
 
Srt4Muscle said:
you know ive never swung weights, i even stand against a wall sometimes to keep from cheating but i been watching lots of bodybuilder videos and they all ****ing swing the weights. whats up with that???
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They use a whole lotta supps to help them get big. But I think it comes down to progressive overload. And taxing the muscle. If you do it one way and stick to it always, then so last as the force you exert keeps increasing theoretically you will grow. And with anabolic help, you will grow faster and bigger.
 
mattrag said:
Hehehe, Thanks man. I can almost taste my cut cycle... I want to look like I was chiseled out of granite.
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You are going to get there sooner than you think. Do you have anything planned out yet?
 
Onlychevy6 said:
You are going to get there sooner than you think. Do you have anything planned out yet?
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Yes... I do. I think it might be on a page back or something? I donno but I had my stacks for when I go home, and when I get back from home.

Perhaps my cycle I didnt post yet.

But here is what I was thinking about using:

Trenavar
Ultradrol/hella
Forma stanzol
Transaderm
AndroHard

I might not do the ultra though... just cause I might get too "big". I wanna cut. I will be switching to LGs then too to take advantage of fasting windows for cardio. Not 100% sure yet but as of now I am holding weight at around 3200 cals on non workout days and 3800 cals on workout days so I will see what happens when I get back from Hawaii and re adjust myself to measured food. lol.
 
mattrag said:
Yes... I do. I think it might be on a page back or something? I donno but I had my stacks for when I go home, and when I get back from home.

Perhaps my cycle I didnt post yet.

But here is what I was thinking about using:

Trenavar
Ultradrol/hella
Forma stanzol
Transaderm
AndroHard

I might not do the ultra though... just cause I might get too "big". I wanna cut. I will be switching to LGs then too to take advantage of fasting windows for cardio. Not 100% sure yet but as of now I am holding weight at around 3200 cals on non workout days and 3800 cals on workout days so I will see what happens when I get back from Hawaii and re adjust myself to measured food. lol.
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i just think you should jump to the darkside bro, stop playin lol
 
youve been takin an AI this whole time??? which???

I wouldnt have started an AI till right about now in actuality... you werent taking anything that could aromatize on cycle so there is no need and you need SOME estrogen circulating to speed recovery, the SERMS should make sure that it still cant interact with the ER sites though and do any damage...

Drop the SERM now for at least 3 weeks then see if you feel like starting it back up later... might help your libido as well, SOME est is required for a healthy libido.
 
Sourdough said:
youve been takin an AI this whole time??? which???

I wouldnt have started an AI till right about now in actuality... you werent taking anything that could aromatize on cycle so there is no need and you need SOME estrogen circulating to speed recovery, the SERMS should make sure that it still cant interact with the ER sites though and do any damage...

Drop the SERM now for at least 3 weeks then see if you feel like starting it back up later... might help your libido as well, SOME est is required for a healthy libido.
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I started the AI after I dropped Sdrol from the cycle and was just running AI plus AndroHard... seemed my estrogen levels were really high after removing the sdrol. Had the puffy nips... Added the FinaFlex PCT black, which is basically double dose of Erase per cap. Been doing 2/1 dosing. Like one day 2, one day 1 cause I can't get the 75mgs. From today I was dropping it down to 1 cap ED. I was thinking about dropping the SERM as my estrogen being so low is definitely not good for my brain/cholesterol/etc. I will see. I know though... my DHT levels are Tanked... My facial hair is taking forever to grow now lol.
 
Damn man sick numbers on bent over rows o.o , i gotta start doing close grip bench again i'm getting sick of pushdowns... I got the perfect idea right here: Close grip bench/Dips/Rope pushdowns for finishing movement. Heheheheh great work man keep it up i like that "lift heavy to maintain my gains" approach too. That up and coming cutting cycle looks like money too man i'm jelly.
 
thetinyguy said:
Damn man sick numbers on bent over rows o.o , i gotta start doing close grip bench again i'm getting sick of pushdowns... I got the perfect idea right here: Close grip bench/Dips/Rope pushdowns for finishing movement. Heheheheh great work man keep it up i like that "lift heavy to maintain my gains" approach too. That up and coming cutting cycle looks like money too man i'm jelly.
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X2.
 
thetinyguy said:
Damn man sick numbers on bent over rows o.o , i gotta start doing close grip bench again i'm getting sick of pushdowns... I got the perfect idea right here: Close grip bench/Dips/Rope pushdowns for finishing movement. Heheheheh great work man keep it up i like that "lift heavy to maintain my gains" approach too. That up and coming cutting cycle looks like money too man i'm jelly.
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My back is REALLY strong. Just my lower back is crap... lol. I need to strengthen it!
When you start to cut for real I will start cutting back... or stop eating excess calories lol.
 
mattrag said:
I would believe me...just the wife and family doesn't approve of such things... though pills are A-OK in their minds...
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Again I say S-drol is the Darkside it is one of the most powerful steroids ever made see this quote by PA from another board S-drol is made from Anadrol and is as strong and as toxic. It blows a lot of "real" gear totally out of the water. I don't know why people labor under the Idea that if it isn't totally illegal its not as effective. Phera, before they made it illegal was amazing and also smokes a lot of the androgens people are jacking into their asses. The only advantage and it is a great one is that injectibles are nowhere near as hepa toxic as the methyls

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Do you have any experience and/or knowledge as to which one is more toxic and stronger in terms of size and strength?

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they seem to be similar in terms of muscle growth and toxicity. anadrol leads to more water retention in people seemingly though, not sure why.

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Srt4Muscle said:
you know ive never swung weights, i even stand against a wall sometimes to keep from cheating but i been watching lots of bodybuilder videos and they all ****ing swing the weights. whats up with that???
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I'm with you, momentum may be the Olympic lifters friend it is the Bodybuilders enemy. All that swinging bs is more about ego than muscle growth. I don't swing the weights either
 
truthornothin said:
Again I say S-drol is the Darkside it is one of the most powerful steroids ever made see this quote by PA from another board S-drol is made from Anadrol and is as strong and as toxic. It blows a lot of "real" gear totally out of the water. I don't know why people labor under the Idea that if it isn't totally illegal its not as effective. Phera, before they made it illegal was amazing and also smokes a lot of the androgens people are jacking into their asses. The only advantage and it is a great one is that injectibles are nowhere near as hepa toxic as the methyls
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I hear ya! I just think it's more like we can be on longer... and have less liver stress. Trenavar looks promising though SourDough posted some bloods. No liver stress he's up 13lbs in 4 weeks.
 
mattrag said:
I hear ya! I just think it's more like we can be on longer... and have less liver stress. Trenavar looks promising though SourDough posted some bloods. No liver stress he's up 13lbs in 4 weeks.
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How the hell I miss this?? I was already sure I was going to Run this next, now I'm just hella excited!
 
IDK, even on 30mg SD, its nothing compared to 500mg of Sus250. I was so damn strong lol then my second kid came haha
 
LiveToLift said:
How the hell I miss this?? I was already sure I was going to Run this next, now I'm just hella excited!
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I believe it was in the whose using trenavar thread or something lol. I'm subbed to everything almost lol.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
IDK, even on 30mg SD, its nothing compared to 500mg of Sus250. I was so damn strong lol then my second kid came haha
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Lol! Dang you run hcg on cycle?
Believe me... If I could inject I would. I'm just waiting for when I get trt prescribed. Then my wife can give me injections.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
IDK, even on 30mg SD, its nothing compared to 500mg of Sus250. I was so damn strong lol then my second kid came haha
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I don't know man, I blew up like a freak on sd it almost killed me but I got strong big ripped and unfortunately ...mean
 
mattrag said:
Lol! Dang you run hcg on cycle?
Believe me... If I could inject I would. I'm just waiting for when I get trt prescribed. Then my wife can give me injections.
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with sus250 i did, for sure. 250iu twice a week. i really wish i would have picked some up for this huge PH cycle too but too late for that lol.
 
truthornothin said:
I don't know man, I blew up like a freak on sd it almost killed me but I got strong big ripped and unfortunately ...mean
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Mean is good. Lol
But I guess it got bad for you eh? I didn't get any anger sides from sdrol. Hehe. I just got big and strong. And shut down.
 
Srt4Muscle said:
with sus250 i did, for sure. 250iu twice a week. i really wish i would have picked some up for this huge PH cycle too but too late for that lol.
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Hehe. Well hope your pct is going well. :)
 
still got 3.5 days till pct, ill be running Dpol and MM(sponsered) and Recycle along with Nolva/Clomid. 77 day cycle, its been a journey thats for sure lol im on day 74
 
Srt4Muscle said:
still got 3.5 days till pct, ill be running Dpol and MM(sponsered) and Recycle along with Nolva/Clomid. 77 day cycle, its been a journey thats for sure lol im on day 74
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Hope you got legit serms... Lol.
 
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