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Mani's Trest Cycle Log 4.21.23

gphagan1 said:
@xR1pp3Rx I think I have heard you talk about you’ve had some really good cycles as well with Trest. And I think @SkRaw85 likes Trest as well.
As far as logs, the main one I remember was Mathersby I believe was his name, but he had a good one for a couple of years where he was prepping for and started competing in bodybuilding. He had used Trest throughout his bulk and cut with a lot of success. But again he was another example where he didn’t deal with as many sides. So really to me, if you do good with it without many sides, it’s great, but those that get a lot of sides I understand them not liking it or thinking it’s worth it.
Ha, on the flip side, I remember Hairygrandpa ran it and logged his experiences, and he started lactating. So, that’s the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Yeah I came across a few threads last night from back in 2019...alot of experienced AAS users touting it as one of the strongest things they've run....

HGP was a little over weight...im wondering if this is why he struggled more with it :unsure:
 
gphagan1 said:
@xR1pp3Rx I think I have heard you talk about you’ve had some really good cycles as well with Trest. And I think @SkRaw85 likes Trest as well.
As far as logs, the main one I remember was Mathersby I believe was his name, but he had a good one for a couple of years where he was prepping for and started competing in bodybuilding. He had used Trest throughout his bulk and cut with a lot of success. But again he was another example where he didn’t deal with as many sides. So really to me, if you do good with it without many sides, it’s great, but those that get a lot of sides I understand them not liking it or thinking it’s worth it.
Ha, on the flip side, I remember Hairygrandpa ran it and logged his experiences, and he started lactating. So, that’s the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Yeah those who do well on it really sing it's praises! I haven't run it but I want to one day. I have some gyno I have been fighting with since puberty, so am leery. Before I get my surgery I will have to give it a run. I don't think I would want to mess with it after. Just have to get through some of these home projects to free up my budget a little.
 
manifesto said:
Yeah I came across a few threads last night from back in 2019...alot of experienced AAS users touting it as one of the strongest things they've run....

HGP was a little over weight...im wondering if this is why he struggled more with it :unsure:
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HGP was a kitchen sink kind of guy too though. Bouncing from one thing to another, testing theories, pushing limits. I both admired and dreaded his fearlessness in trying half the stuff he did. He was a mad scientist! :) I miss him around here, hope he is okay. His health got a bit rough towards the end of his posting.
 
Day 3 (Shoulders)
25mg Trest Ace
600mg L-carnitine

Summary:

I worked out legs yesterday and felt really strong. I felt warm almost the entire workout and sweating a sh1tload in the sauna. After I left the gym, a had a mild pump in my entire upper body for most the day. It was like that super full glycogen feeling. My mood seemed enhanced as well... we went to the pool and it was crowded.

This would normally irritate me, but I was able to listen to music and chill. Had intercourse with the wife and felt good. No problems ejaculating or SUPER delayed ejaculation. I do feel my appetitie is increasing some. I woke up around 3am hungry, this is abnormal for me.

I am not experienced any high E2 symptoms as of yet. No nipple irritation, no bloating, no elevated BP. I have not taken an AI yet....Just running on 20 mg Nolva and Inhibit P right now.

I took bloodwork right before starting this blast to test my Total T and Ultrasensitive E2 (In the trough). Ill post these results when I get them. Ill also get bloodwork in a few weeks to see where E2 is maybe prolactin as well.
 
So far so good.
 
manifesto said:
Yeah I came across a few threads last night from back in 2019...alot of experienced AAS users touting it as one of the strongest things they've run....

HGP was a little over weight...im wondering if this is why he struggled more with it :unsure:
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Could be with HGP, I know he struggled with gyno, but he always would joke about, so I’m not sure how bad it actually was. He was taking Letro to try and control his estrogen, but once that prolactin got out of hand he started producing his own protein as he would call it. He was a funny dude.
 
manifesto said:
Day 3 (Shoulders)
25mg Trest Ace
600mg L-carnitine

Summary:

I worked out legs yesterday and felt really strong. I felt warm almost the entire workout and sweating a sh1tload in the sauna. After I left the gym, a had a mild pump in my entire upper body for most the day. It was like that super full glycogen feeling. My mood seemed enhanced as well... we went to the pool and it was crowded.

This would normally irritate me, but I was able to listen to music and chill. Had intercourse with the wife and felt good. No problems ejaculating or SUPER delayed ejaculation. I do feel my appetitie is increasing some. I woke up around 3am hungry, this is abnormal for me.

I am not experienced any high E2 symptoms as of yet. No nipple irritation, no bloating, no elevated BP. I have not taken an AI yet....Just running on 20 mg Nolva and Inhibit P right now.

I took bloodwork right before starting this blast to test my Total T and Ultrasensitive E2 (In the trough). Ill post these results when I get them. Ill also get bloodwork in a few weeks to see where E2 is maybe prolactin as well.
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I did forget to mention that Trest will turn up the heat, like Hyde said, probably not as much as Tren, but it will definitely turn you into a furnace. And as far as libido, it’s one of the best that I’ve seen. My wife knows she has to put on her running shoes when I take Trest. It’s like 5s and 6s become 8s and 10s, and as long as a girl has a decent body you just don’t notice the face. Ha, that’s why us married guys have to be careful with it, but you had a good idea. Just tell your wife you want to try something new and get her a couple different wigs, ha your libido will never know the difference.😜
 
gphagan1 said:
I did forget to mention that Trest will turn up the heat, like Hyde said, probably not as much as Tren, but it will definitely turn you into a furnace. And as far as libido, it’s one of the best that I’ve seen. My wife knows she has to put on her running shoes when I take Trest. It’s like 5s and 6s become 8s and 10s, and as long as a girl has a decent body you just don’t notice the face. Ha, that’s why us married guys have to be careful with it, but you had a good idea. Just tell your wife you want to try something new and get her a couple different wigs, ha your libido will never know the difference.😜
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Yessir...we've been together for 18 years, so you have to try and keep things interesting.

I should mention that I woke up with some serious morning wood today. I don't normally when I'm just on a TRT dose of test.
 
@gphagan1 I think im starting to feel a slight libido boost. I'm assuming this gets progressively stronger as the days go on?
 
gphagan1 said:
I did forget to mention that Trest will turn up the heat, like Hyde said, probably not as much as Tren, but it will definitely turn you into a furnace. And as far as libido, it’s one of the best that I’ve seen. My wife knows she has to put on her running shoes when I take Trest. It’s like 5s and 6s become 8s and 10s, and as long as a girl has a decent body you just don’t notice the face. Ha, that’s why us married guys have to be careful with it, but you had a good idea. Just tell your wife you want to try something new and get her a couple different wigs, ha your libido will never know the difference.😜
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Honestly I can deal with the trensomnia and the sweats and the short temper. It's the libido that's driving me outta my mind. I don't think it'll be a good idea to run tren again unless I get a girlfriend. Or atleast a friend with benefits. It's like beer goggles when you're a teenager but now I'm a man and have tren goggles
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Honestly I can deal with the trensomnia and the sweats and the short temper. It's the libido that's driving me outta my mind. I don't think it'll be a good idea to run tren again unless I get a girlfriend. Or atleast a friend with benefits. It's like beer goggles when you're a teenager but now I'm a man and have tren goggles
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You're gonna be subscribing to that PornHub Platinum Package...with the VR goggles
 
Working shoulders right now...definitely stronger

DB side laterals with 45's
 
I don’t remember the libido getting worse, or better. Also consider your Masteron will be building for a few weeks though, so expect that to also impact things as it raises - it does for me at least.

If you get night sweats, remove carbs from last meal.

Also, that breakfast looks yummy but where’s the rest of it! I would assume you are cutting.
 
Hyde said:
I don’t remember the libido getting worse, or better. Also consider your Masteron will be building for a few weeks though, so expect that to also impact things as it raises - it does for me at least.

If you get night sweats, remove carbs from last meal.

Also, that breakfast looks yummy but where’s the rest of it! I would assume you are cutting.
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Hahaha I had a big bowl of cereal with it too...with almond milk
 
@Hyde I'm actually looking forward to a major uptick in libido...irs not.bad right now, but the wife wants it multiple times per day.

We recently got her hormones squared away through Marek Health. She's horny all the time now.
 
manifesto said:
@Hyde I'm actually looking forward to a major uptick in libido...irs not.bad right now, but the wife wants it multiple times per day.

We recently got her hormones squared away through Marek Health. She's horny all the time now.
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Then your wife is gonna love you on Trest, she’ll be lobbying for more cycles. That Mast with the Trest is a magic combination for me, throw in Viagra, and Mama’s staying up tonight.😜
 
Dinner
7 oz baked chicken breast
2 cups of white rice
Sautéed veggies

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manifesto said:
Are you going straight keto until your competition?
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Nah I'm not a fan of keto. I will like the week before but right now I'm like on a 1:1 ratio of carbs an protein. So I'm making my meals 8oz chicken and around a cup and a half of jasmine rice with a tablespoon of olive oil. So that's 50 grams of protein 60 grams of carbs and 14 grams of fat. Also starting 60mcg of clen today. The target date of June 3rd was canceled but there's another family event on June 17th so I'm extending thr cycle until then and making some adjustments as well. @Smont And I discussed some options yesterday
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Nah I'm not a fan of keto. I will like the week before but right now I'm like on a 1:1 ratio of carbs an protein. So I'm making my meals 8oz chicken and around a cup and a half of jasmine rice with a tablespoon of olive oil. So that's 50 grams of protein 60 grams of carbs and 14 grams of fat. Also starting 60mcg of clen today. The target date of June 3rd was canceled but there's another family event on June 17th so I'm extending thr cycle until then and making some adjustments as well. @Smont And I discussed some options yesterday
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I'm not a fan of keto either, At least not real keto. I just feel horrible eating large amounts of fat. Once in a while IL smash some junk food or have a high fat meal but can't do it all day everyday as my energy source. I haven't gone back to check your response yet, I'm not caught up on anything from the weekend. Back to work hell lol
 
Smont said:
I'm not a fan of keto either, At least not real keto. I just feel horrible eating large amounts of fat. Once in a while IL smash some junk food or have a high fat meal but can't do it all day everyday as my energy source. I haven't gone back to check your response yet, I'm not caught up on anything from the weekend. Back to work hell lol
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I ate 500 grams of carbs yerday and woke up leanero_O
 
manifesto said:
I ate 500 grams of carbs yerday and woke up leanero_O
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Any time I actually need a cheat the same thing happens. Last year I cut from 215-185 trying to make weight for something. Did a refeed day and I hit around 700 if I'm not mistaken and woke up 2lbs lighter lol. It was in my old training log or in the earlier pages of my current thread
 
Smont said:
Any time I actually need a cheat the same thing happens. Last year I cut from 215-185 trying to make weight for something. Did a refeed day and I hit around 700 if I'm not mistaken and woke up 2lbs lighter lol. It was in my old training log or in the earlier pages of my current thread
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What's thay when u were Smashing pop tarts and sleeves of oreos?hahha
 
Day 4
Test Cyp 100 mg
Mast E 200 mg
Trest Ace 30 mg

Feeling great so far. I'm not holding any water, despite putting down 3,700 cals yesterday with 500 grams of carbs. I still have not introduced an AI. The 20mg Nolva and Inhibit P must being do their thing for now.

Also, i just want to make it clear. I am not afraid of introducing an AI, my supplementation keeps lipids in check. My reason, for not using AI out the gate, is I want to see how my body responds to Trest.

If I'd started with an AI right now away, I would never really know. Am I one of the fortunate ones who can get away with just a SERM on Trest? I would've never known.

Now i know it's still early on, and I have everything ready to act quickly. I really feel like running a SERM for the entirety of the cycle is the way to go. Looking back through years of old logs/threads...I don't see anyone using this approach.
 
@Hyde @gphagan1 @xR1pp3Rx

I'm thinking about turning up the heat in this in the next couple weeks.

I'd like to introduce Trest Drcanoate. How would I go about incorporating Trest D?

I think im going to get burned out on the daily pins after a while, and feel like giving this drug a good/long run.
 
manifesto said:
@Hyde @gphagan1 @xR1pp3Rx

I'm thinking about turning up the heat in this in the next couple weeks.

I'd like to introduce Trest Drcanoate. How would I go about incorporating Trest D?

I think im going to get burned out on the daily pins after a while, and feel like giving this drug a good/long run.
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First, I think it’s fine to wait on the AI since you don’t know how you respond to Trest and it’s very early. Water retention is in check, gyno is happy with the Nolva & P5P, so no reason to yet. It’s important to map out new compounds for yourself to see how you respond; we don’t want to take more drugs than necessary for our goals.

On that note, do NOT bring in the Trest D yet - you’re on day 4. Give it a month minimum and figure out how you respond to that.

You can also cut back on carnitine if you are getting pin fatigue. If you are growing, you don’t need more than 200mg daily about 4x a week to achieve most of the benefits. It’s not like in a deficit where you can really benefit from the enhanced fat mobilization for better overall energy & fuel utilization.
 
@Hyde, do you use the carnitine while fasting to improve fat burning efficiency?
 
MrKleen73 said:
@Hyde, do you use the carnitine while fasting to improve fat burning efficiency?
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Only if I time it with a big shot of sodium and intend to do cardio. You really need insulin or sodium present in the blood to transport it efficiently.

So for regular fasted cardio, yes. I would take half a scoop of keto lytes (high sodium) & a scoop of Pump Addict (for the stims, green tea, yohimbine) because I don’t care if the artificial sweetener or consuming any capsules of fat burning ingredients temporarily spike insulin - I am not going to rely on my endogenous GH, I’m going to also pin 2iu GH and then get to work. I will fall back into a fasted state quickly, with Y & Carnitine & GH all working with the cardio to liberate, transport, & burn stored fat for energy much more efficiently.

But I haven’t been doing that on this 4-day fast. Just resting my body and letting my BMR and absolute lack of intake do the work.
 
Hyde said:
Only if I time it with a big shot of sodium and intend to do cardio. You really need insulin or sodium present in the blood to transport it efficiently.

So for regular fasted cardio, yes. I would take half a scoop of keto lytes (high sodium) & a scoop of Pump Addict (for the stims, green tea, yohimbine) because I don’t care if the artificial sweetener or consuming any capsules of fat burning ingredients temporarily spike insulin - I am not going to rely on my endogenous GH, I’m going to also pin 2iu GH and then get to work. I will fall back into a fasted state quickly, with Y & Carnitine & GH all working with the cardio to liberate, transport, & burn stored fat for energy much more efficiently.

But I haven’t been doing that on this 4-day fast. Just resting my body and letting my BMR and absolute lack of intake do the work.
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Thanks!
 
I'll sometimes use a L Carnitine shot before a large carb meal....I remember reading somewhere that it helps funnel into glycogen
 
My appetite is definitely up....I can't get enough protein. It seems.
 
Hyde said:
Only if I time it with a big shot of sodium and intend to do cardio. You really need insulin or sodium present in the blood to transport it efficiently.

So for regular fasted cardio, yes. I would take half a scoop of keto lytes (high sodium) & a scoop of Pump Addict (for the stims, green tea, yohimbine) because I don’t care if the artificial sweetener or consuming any capsules of fat burning ingredients temporarily spike insulin - I am not going to rely on my endogenous GH, I’m going to also pin 2iu GH and then get to work. I will fall back into a fasted state quickly, with Y & Carnitine & GH all working with the cardio to liberate, transport, & burn stored fat for energy much more efficiently.

But I haven’t been doing that on this 4-day fast. Just resting my body and letting my BMR and absolute lack of intake do the work.
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Dude throw some clen into that mix and you'd be a fat burning machine!! That stack sounds legit
 
You know I've never used any stimulants (other than black coffee) to get lean...most people think im constantly on ECA stack, clen, or some other fat burner.
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Dude throw some clen into that mix and you'd be a fat burning machine!! That stack sounds legit
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Yeah when normally doing serious fasted cardio for fat loss there is 20mcg Clen taken, 2iu GH, 500-1,000 carnitine IM, caffeine, green tea extract, a tiny bit of Y.

If lipids were already getting hit, you would want a little bit of Var or Tren Ace prior as well. But I wouldn’t advise that if you were otherwise already healthy, just if maximum composition were desired for a contest/event regardless of health & already using steroids.
 
Another day in the books. 3,100 Calories

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Hyde said:
Yeah when normally doing serious fasted cardio for fat loss there is 20mcg Clen taken, 2iu GH, 500-1,000 carnitine IM, caffeine, green tea extract, a tiny bit of Y.

If lipids were already getting hit, you would want a little bit of Var or Tren Ace prior as well. But I wouldn’t advise that if you were otherwise already healthy, just if maximum composition were desired for a contest/event regardless of health & already using steroids.
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Hmm..im doing all that except for carnatine. ( tren ace instead of var) now you have me motivated to do more cardio
 
Quick question for you guys..does mast give you joint issues like winny. These last 2 weeks or so my knees have been killing me, my hips to but I think some of that is just pip from pinning 2ccs of oil/ day into my vg ( I alternate sides)
 
Mikereyn513 said:
Quick question for you guys..does mast give you joint issues like winny. These last 2 weeks or so my knees have been killing me, my hips to but I think some of that is just pip from pinning 2ccs of oil/ day into my vg ( I alternate sides)
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I don’t have joint issues with Mast, but I can’t touch Winny now because of that.
 
gphagan1 said:
I don’t have joint issues with Mast, but I can’t touch Winny now because of that.
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that's what I figured I just thought I'd ask because it's a dht derivative like winny and it's drying me out and hardening me up bigtime. Maybe I'm just getting too old to be squatting 2× week 😡
 
I can imagine it will dry you out if hitting your receptors before the estrogen does. However, I read that the issue with Winny is more about the fact your connective tissue is stimulated to grow by the winny but does so in a criss cross misaligned pattern that makes them weaker and more brittle and less flexible. It isn't just being dried out that causes the issues. Being dried out just compounds the other issue by creating more friction on weaker connective tissue. However like I said, I would think that just the affinity to the estrogen receptor could be making you a little bit dryer.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I can imagine it will dry you out if hitting your receptors before the estrogen does. However, I read that the issue with Winny is more about the fact your connective tissue is stimulated to grow by the winny but does so in a criss cross misaligned pattern that makes them weaker and more brittle and less flexible. It isn't just being dried out that causes the issues. Being dried out just compounds the other issue by creating more friction on weaker connective tissue. However like I said, I would think that just the affinity to the estrogen receptor could be making you a little bit dryer.
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This is all of my understanding too, concerning Winny’s tendon restructuring & mast antagonizing estrogen.

If mast has gone up and test didn’t, or something that provides more estrogen like nandrolone, Dbol, Trest, etc, you can expect estrogen receptor agonism to be lowering.

For me Masteron will absolutely dry me out if I don’t run enough. I firmly believe, in retrospect, that 180 test & 80 mast became too dry for me as I leaned out slowly over the winter. I was no longer aromatizing as much as I dropped fat, and my knees started killing me. The weeks right before I tore my adductor, I was hurting very bad training lower body even after doing very intensive warmups, hot creams, layers of pants. It hurt too badly to Frontsquat even 135 with the extra forward knee travel. Retrospectively, these were red flags, but I was chalking it up to winter and mileage at the time.

This is how you get harder and drier btw. This is why it’s important not to lift heavy or chase PRs at the end of a bodybuilding prep. It doesn’t matter that your muscles are so strong - they are at greater risk for popping off of tearing, and the point of bodybuilding prep is to look a certain way when it matters, not lift a certain way.
 
Hyde said:
This is all of my understanding too, concerning Winny’s tendon restructuring & mast antagonizing estrogen.

If mast has gone up and test didn’t, or something that provides more estrogen like nandrolone, Dbol, Trest, etc, you can expect estrogen receptor agonism to be lowering.

For me Masteron will absolutely dry me out if I don’t run enough. I firmly believe, in retrospect, that 180 test & 80 mast became too dry for me as I leaned out slowly over the winter. I was no longer aromatizing as much as I dropped fat, and my knees started killing me. The weeks right before I tore my adductor, I was hurting very bad training lower body even after doing very intensive warmups, hot creams, layers of pants. It hurt too badly to Frontsquat even 135 with the extra forward knee travel. Retrospectively, these were red flags, but I was chalking it up to winter and mileage at the time.

This is how you get harder and drier btw. This is why it’s important not to lift heavy or chase PRs at the end of a bodybuilding prep. It doesn’t matter that your muscles are so strong - they are at greater risk for popping off of tearing, and the point of bodybuilding prep is to look a certain way when it matters, not lift a certain way.
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Yep, it comes down to maintaining volume as high as beneficial for muscle retention but lifting heavy is a risky business at that low of bodyfat and dryness.
 
I'll tell you what...having the masteron in this cycle has me dry as hell....no sign of aromatization at all from this Trest....

I may actually bump up my test in a couple weeks. For this

400 test cyp
400 mast e
210 Trest Ace (30/ED)
 
manifesto said:
I'll tell you what...having the masteron in this cycle has me dry as hell....no sign of aromatization at all from this Trest....

I may actually bump up my test in a couple weeks. For this

400 test cyp
400 mast e
210 Trest Ace (30/ED)
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You could also pull the Tamoxifen out, or take it eod/lower the dosage, and that might make you a little less dry and give you a more realistic picture of what’s going on. But if you do, BE CAREFUL. The methyl estrogen doesn’t metabolize out well, so it’s going to build up as you go. Taking DIM daily can help metabolize methyl estrogen out a bit faster btw.
 
I'm going to pull some E2 bloods next week to see what's going on, and then I'll decide which route to go

This is the tightest my chest has looked in a LONG time...no signs of the gyno lumps at all
 
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