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Logging my first run of Clen

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GoodSamaritan said:
Which ECA Stack did you utilize, out of curiosity?
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Went to Wallgreens

Broncaid 2 x 12.5mg Ephedrine, Awake 200mg caffeine, asparin

Ive bought at Rite Aide too

i was dosing 50mg 3 x a day
8am 12pm 4pm


Typically the ECA stack is consumed two or three times per day in a 1:10:10 or 1:10:15 ratio of ephedrine:caffeine:Aspirin. These ratios vary across studies and across users but despite variance they all seem to be effective.[citation needed] Usually, no more than 25 mg of ephedrine, 200 mg of caffeine and 325 mg of Aspirin is consumed in a single dose. It is not recommended that the stack be taken past late afternoon as this may contribute to insomnia.
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Day 14
Weight 22.2lb -1.8
9am 200mcg 25mg ECA

Water 16 cups

Meal 1
8.45
Breakfast Pre WO
700k 70g p, 100g c, 13f

Gym 9.30 chest 60 mins

Meal 2
11.15
Post WO
540k 50g p, 85g p, 0f

1.30 50mcg

Meal 3
1.30
550k 50g p, 54g c, 22g f

Meal 4
4.10
415k 58g p, 38g c, 3g f

50mins roadbike 130HR

5.45 Shoulders 50mins
30mins boxing 130-150

Meal 5
7.25
380k 50g p, 25g c, 9g f

Meal 6
9pm
600k 40g p, 40g c,25g f

Meal 7
12am
320k 50gp, 25g c, 3g f

Food sources
Isopure Whey
Fish Oil Gel tabs
CLA tabs
Skim Milk
Oats
Whole wheat bread
Ground Turkey 93 7
Bananas
Ketchup
Mackarel
Green veggies
Olive oil
Rice
 
edwitt said:
Day 14
Weight 22.2lb -1.8
9am 200mcg 25mg ECA

Water 16 cups

Meal 1
8.45
Breakfast Pre WO
700k 70g p, 100g c, 13f

Gym 9.30 chest 60 mins

Meal 2
11.15
Post WO
540k 50g p, 85g p, 0f

1.30 50mcg

Meal 3
1.30
550k 50g p, 54g c, 22g f

Meal 4
4.10
415k 58g p, 38g c, 3g f

50mins roadbike 130HR

5.45 Shoulders 50mins
30mins boxing 130-150

Meal 5
7.25
380k 50g p, 25g c, 9g f

Meal 6
9pm
600k 40g p, 40g c,25g f

Meal 7
12am
320k 50gp, 25g c, 3g f

Food sources
Isopure Whey
Fish Oil Gel tabs
CLA tabs
Skim Milk
Oats
Whole wheat bread
Ground Turkey 93 7
Bananas
Ketchup
Mackarel
Green veggies
Olive oil
Rice
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Oops
Weight 225.2lb - 1.8
 
2 WEEK REVIEW

This morning Day 15 concludes 2 weeks of Clenbuterol

Weighed in this morn @ 227.2 up 2lbs from yest however my waist is down 1.375" and my mid section 2" .... Im very happy with the Clen and feel that my workouts have become stronger as im not having to deal with the nauseating effect that the ECA can have on me @ high doses. Clerly i am able to tolerate high doses of Clen wothout any noticeable sides. Dose is up to 240mcg blood pressure 108 / 68 so all good there. I am definitely able to get my heart much higher with less intensity which has been great and has enabled me to turn many weight lifting sessions into cardio.

Strenght has also been great, no loss in strenght lifts all at highs, confident muscle loss is minimal if at all. I am seeing more defenition in arms and shoulders but to be expected the waist is the hardest and last to go but still good progress.. As you can see from yesterdays meal breakdown i have a lot of room to play with when it comes to calories and carbs..

In the next week i will be experimenting by cutting some carbs towards the end of the day and bumping the protein, if i can continue to loose the waist @ 0.75' a week then we are right on track :) Gonna go check the mailbox for my Anavar

Clenbuterol is a non-steroidal β2 adrenergic agonist with some structural and pharmacological similarities to epinephrine and salbutamol, but its effects are more potent and longer-lasting as a stimulant and thermogenic drug. It causes an increase in aerobic capacity, central nervous system stimulation, and an increase in blood pressure and oxygen transportation. It increases the rate at which fats are metabolized, simultaneously increasing the body's BMR. (taken from Wikipedia)
 
Day 15
227.2lb +2

240 mcg
Today is day of rest just 20mins HIIT. For non lifting days I cycle carbs down. Today I have dropped them a little lower than normal while keeping protein 1.7 x bodyweight

Meal 1
9am
592k 67p 44c 18f

Meal 2
11.40am
490k 58p 38c 8.5f

Meal 3
2.40pm
500k 50p 46c 10f

Meal 4
5.30
410 58p 38c 2f

Meal 5
8.15
220k 33p 22c

Meal 6
9.30
450k 40p 35c 6f

Meal 7
12am
365k 62p 19c 5f
 
Day 16
226.2 -1.2lb

Active day, soccer bike track no set cardio or gym today. Play Day
 
Day 17
225.8 -0.4lb

Taking my first 3 say break in 14 months. Way overdue and thouroughly enjoying it and the wather... Probably play some footy

Will be hitting it hard and refreshed first thing Monday morning
 
Upcoming cycle 1st Injectable so if anyone want to critique for me i would certainly appreciate it.

Goals Lean Bulk

Current Stats
Starting weight 218-220 approx 10%bf
Height 6 1"

Diet.
4000 clean calories
40% protein
40% carbs
20% fat

Supps
Animal Stak
Animal PAK
Isopure
waxymaize
Isopure Mass
Xpand Xtreme
Creapure
Fish oil
CLA
NAC
Vitex
Liver Care
Taurine

Is there any upside to taking Taurine on daily basis or reserve for pumps? which i have never had. I get plenty of potassium from fruit 5-6 bananas a day

This will be my first inj cycle
Kicking cycle off with an oral ive used in the past Spawn epi/tren and had great success with

Ive been sourcing for a while and just triple checking everything there but think im good. If so Test E will be individul vials of 250mg which will make life easy. Id also appreciate any suggestions re pinning, i will be doing this myself. Thoughts on adding grape seed oil and warming of syringes under hot water etc all suggestions appreciated.

Thanks in advance


Weeks 1 – 16 : Test E 500mg…..250mg Mon / Thur
Weeks 1 – 4 : Oral Epi/tren 30mg/90mg ED
Weeks 12 -16 Anavar 80mg ED
Weeks 1 – 16 : Hcg 500 I.U. ……250 I.U. Mon / Thur

Aromasin at 12.5mg EOD to keep bloating at bay.

any thoughts on Arimidex or other options?

PCT
Clomid 75 50 50 25 25 TestoPRO + Prime + Cycle assist

2 weeks later: Sustain Alpha (libido)

Please feel free to critique everything and anything

and thanks in advance
 
Oh cool, Im going to do this same sorta thing in like 2 weeks with clen. Glad I found this!
 
ticco said:
really great log man details really keep me following.
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Cool... Had great 3 days of rest and im ready to tear up the gym today.. Im gonna hit it for 90 mins back this morn and try and get 2nd session in tonight for 60 mins of bis
 
GeekPoop said:
Oh cool, Im going to do this same sorta thing in like 2 weeks with clen. Glad I found this!
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Well im glad its of some help mate

Im excited as this week my Anavar should be arriving and its gonna be nice to have a little umphhh also there is a very strong likelyhood that this log and the Anavar is going to bridge right into the above posted injectable cycle
 
Calculate your maintenance calories

ok for those of you interested in a cut any time soon i found this excellent doc on calculating your calories.. Ive included it as an attachment in doc format as an attachment.

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Day 18
225.6 -0.2lb
200mg
50ECA

Back 70mins
The rest paid off
485lb Dead lift new Personal Best :)

Will be trying to get back later this evening for bis.. Definitely noticing better defenition vascularity and some muscle seperation on those heavy deads
 
edwitt said:
Day 18
225.6 -0.2lb
200mg
50ECA

Back 70mins
The rest paid off
485lb Dead lift new Personal Best :)

Will be trying to get back later this evening for bis.. Definitely noticing better defenition vascularity and some muscle seperation on those heavy deads
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Failed @ 505 but I see it in my future soon
 
I just like what Im reading about it so far, lose fat and keep your strength. Or atleast eat more and not get fat, sounds like win to me!
 
edwitt said:
Day 18
225.6 -0.2lb
200mg
50ECA

Back 70mins
The rest paid off
485lb Dead lift new Personal Best :)

Will be trying to get back later this evening for bis.. Definitely noticing better defenition vascularity and some muscle seperation on those heavy deads
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managed to get back to the gym for 40mins of bis

no cardio now for 4 days but lifting big, chest or legs today still undecided
 
KgTomCat said:
it seems like your making gains in strength, which is always good :) lol
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Yea. Sacle seems a little bnit stuck but mirror says stick with the plan. Bottom line I have another 3 1/2 weeks to play around with diet so no rush. Hopefully VAR arrives today or tom. Like to get a week of that under my belt on the same diet and then re evaluate diet accordingly

Common Mr Postman

;)
 
edwitt said:
Yea. Sacle seems a little bnit stuck but mirror says stick with the plan. Bottom line I have another 3 1/2 weeks to play around with diet so no rush. Hopefully VAR arrives today or tom. Like to get a week of that under my belt on the same diet and then re evaluate diet accordingly

Common Mr Postman

;)
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ive learned that those who live by the scale, die by the scale lol
 
Day 19
225.8 +0.2lb
250mg
50ECA

60mins legs 40 just on sqats and deep ones gonna hurt like a mofo tom

45mins elyptical 130HR
 
Awesome job brotha! I was talking to a friend who started his cycle of clen and a girl chimed in how she has been doing clen since she was 18 and I think she is 28 now. It made me feel slightly safer (as safe and using products like that can be) and might be something for me to consider in the future as I'm too young now. Then again this girl messes with t3 also, and never heard of the heart related side effects from overuse in the past 10 years so I don't know if she is a good reference haha.
 
sub001 said:
Awesome job brotha! I was talking to a friend who started his cycle of clen and a girl chimed in how she has been doing clen since she was 18 and I think she is 28 now. It made me feel slightly safer (as safe and using products like that can be) and might be something for me to consider in the future as I'm too young now. Then again this girl messes with t3 also, and never heard of the heart related side effects from overuse in the past 10 years so I don't know if she is a good reference haha.
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I have read from multiple sources that extended use of clen causes irregular heart growth...idk how T3 plays a factor with it, but I wouldnt use her as a reference lol

--but at the same time, everyone is different, so you never know
 
KgTomCat said:
I have read from multiple sources that extended use of clen causes irregular heart growth...idk how T3 plays a factor with it, but I wouldnt use her as a reference lol

--but at the same time, everyone is different, so you never know
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I'd say she is the anomaly that hasn't died haha. t3 can shut down thyroid function or something, I don't know much about the subject but when she mentioned it everyone around her was like "why aren't you dead yet?". I've said a few times I'm more interested in clen's anti-catabolic properties. A few other people said they literally couldn't do cardio on clen, and just felt better doing cardio a few days a week and got similar results. I get quick results from cutting, so maybe I'm lucky like that. I dropped 13 pounds inside the month so far. 90% of that was water weight, I was ridiculously bloated and didn't realize it. Low carbs and constant water all day have helped that.
 
sub001 said:
I'd say she is the anomaly that hasn't died haha. t3 can shut down thyroid function or something, I don't know much about the subject but when she mentioned it everyone around her was like "why aren't you dead yet?". I've said a few times I'm more interested in clen's anti-catabolic properties. A few other people said they literally couldn't do cardio on clen, and just felt better doing cardio a few days a week and got similar results. I get quick results from cutting, so maybe I'm lucky like that. I dropped 13 pounds inside the month so far. 90% of that was water weight, I was ridiculously bloated and didn't realize it. Low carbs and constant water all day have helped that.
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I loved doin cardio on clen...also she is female, clen might affect woman differently then males. I recently learned that the hard way, when doing low carbs you MUST keep water intake high lol. good job so far, I guess your an ectomorph?
 
KgTomCat said:
I loved doin cardio on clen...also she is female, clen might affect woman differently then males. I recently learned that the hard way, when doing low carbs you MUST keep water intake high lol. good job so far, I guess your an ectomorph?
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If that was directed at me, umm I don't know where I fall. I don't fit any trait very well, except I'm definitely not an endomorph. I am not like those skinny as a rail ectomorph kids from high school, but I'm not a meaty mesomorph either. My body pretty much does whatever I want it to if I put the work in. I've only just finally stuck with the gym this last year and my diet wasn't the best. Along with a lot of cheat meals, I now realize I wasn't getting as many calories in as I thought. I made decent gains in my mind, but they could have been better. This next bulk after my cut will be balls to the wall strict downing as much as I can. I have pics up in my bulking 145-190 thread with a more recent back/waist shot.
 
Yea. I definitely enjoy cardio on Clen not a problem for me. I can see how it might be a factor if ur into long hight intensity cardio but for running boxing and cycling I have no complaints.
 
edwitt said:
Yea. I definitely enjoy cardio on Clen not a problem for me. I can see how it might be a factor if ur into long hight intensity cardio but for running boxing and cycling I have no complaints.
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thats why I prefer incline walking lol
 
Day 20
224.2 lb - 1.6
250mg

Should have been chest today

Brutal day doubled over in stomache cramps :( Better tomorow i hope, extra days rest for my old joints i guess.. Pretty sure not Clen related. I managed to keep the calorie and protein intake by chugging a bunch of homemade shakes :)

Feeling much better already and ready for a good nights sleep. Upwards and onwards tomorow
 
Day 21

Ok now im ****ing pissed scales say 226 + 1.8 **** that **** im off to the gym to rip it up and my ****ing VAR still aint ****ing here. Dont get in my way today mother****er

Lets do this ****

8.20 Pre WO shake

Chest 8.55
Flat Bench
225 2 X 8 90secs slow perfect form
275 1 X 5 2 mins
295 1 X 5 2 mins
305 1 X 5 3 mins
315 1 X 5 3 mins
315 1 X 4 3 mins failed @ 5
315 1 X 5 3mins :)
295 1 X 6 2 mins
285 1 X F Failure @ 6 full 4 mins
285 1 X F Failure @ 8 dug deep there
225 1 X F Failure @ 16
Done with the flat bench 9.42

Incline
225 1 X 8 2 mins
245 1 X 5 Failed @ 5 :( take full 4 mins
245 1 X 5 :) went for 6 Failed
Done with incline

Not a lover of the decline bar. Normally dumb bell decline or cables.. Gonna opt for cables today

Cable raises from the ground targetting same area as declines would

Downing my Post WO shake @ this point
5 Sets of 12-15 90 sec intervals and done

10.12am Finished

Ok well i feel a hell of a lot better for that, wish i had had a spotter tho would have tried for new best. Not a bad thing, but all chicks in my gym :) not a chance of a spot the entire time. Should be real sore for a few days, the gym was slayed
 
KgTomCat said:
I have read from multiple sources that extended use of clen causes irregular heart growth...idk how T3 plays a factor with it, but I wouldnt use her as a reference lol

--but at the same time, everyone is different, so you never know
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Clen can actually lead to cardiac cell death. I'm still trying to figure out why people are so high on clen. Yes, it works (at least in the short term), but it's really not worth it. I'd really be careful with using that high of a dose for multiple reasons. 1. Your receptors are going to be fried (even with keto/benadryl). 2. Don't forget that clen has a very long T 1/2 and continues to build up within your system.

Also, the whole anti-catabolic thing is complete non-sense. This is one of those bro-science legends that continues to live on throughout the years.
 
Rodja said:
Clen can actually lead to cardiac cell death. I'm still trying to figure out why people are so high on clen. Yes, it works (at least in the short term), but it's really not worth it. I'd really be careful with using that high of a dose for multiple reasons. 1. Your receptors are going to be fried (even with keto/benadryl). 2. Don't forget that clen has a very long T 1/2 and continues to build up within your system.

Also, the whole anti-catabolic thing is complete non-sense. This is one of those bro-science legends that continues to live on throughout the years.
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certainly there is no scientific evidence that supports the claim that Clen is anti-catabolic however there are way to many people claiming it to be so IMO for there not to be some truth behind the claims, i doubt you could find a single pro that would agree with you from the words of Lee Priest

"Clenbuterol, Stanozolol every second day and Nolvadex. And that's it. It is the same thing I used back in 1997, and you can verify that with Flex Wheeler. Flex at that time was asking me how did I get in shape and I told him that this is all that I used, and it worked."

Always an interesting topic tho if anyone wants to chime in

:AR15firing:
 
edwitt said:
certainly there is no scientific evidence that supports the claim that Clen is anti-catabolic however there are way to many people claiming it to be so IMO for there not to be some truth behind the claims, i doubt you could find a single pro that would agree with you from the words of Lee Priest

"Clenbuterol, Stanozolol every second day and Nolvadex. And that's it. It is the same thing I used back in 1997, and you can verify that with Flex Wheeler. Flex at that time was asking me how did I get in shape and I told him that this is all that I used, and it worked."

Always an interesting topic tho if anyone wants to chime in

:AR15firing:
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That is hardly anything compelling (and an appealing to authority fallacy) since he was using AAS.
 
Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool, United Kingdom.

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist, Clenbuterol, can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known if this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of Clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections using a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed using annexin V, single-strand DNA labelling and TUNEL). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h, and peaked 4 h after Clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of Clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg kg(-1), with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.005 %; P<0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg kg(-1) . In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2 %; P<0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg kg(-1). Cardiomyocyte apoptosis occurred throughout the ventricles, atria and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way from the apex towards the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol or ICI 118,551) or reserpine was used to show that Clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by Clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.

All very interesting but Clenbuterol has also been proven to be Anabolic in horses so what gives
 
edwitt said:
Research Institute for Sports and Exercise Sciences, Liverpool John Moores University, Liverpool, United Kingdom.

High doses of the beta2-adrenergic receptor (AR) agonist, Clenbuterol, can induce necrotic myocyte death in the heart and slow-twitch skeletal muscle of the rat. However, it is not known if this agent can also induce myocyte apoptosis and whether this would occur at a lower dose than previously reported for myocyte necrosis. Male Wistar rats were given single subcutaneous injections of Clenbuterol. Immunohistochemistry was used to detect myocyte specific apoptosis (detected on cryosections using a caspase 3 antibody and confirmed using annexin V, single-strand DNA labelling and TUNEL). Myocyte apoptosis was first detected at 2 h, and peaked 4 h after Clenbuterol administration. The lowest dose of Clenbuterol to induce cardiomyocyte apoptosis was 1 microg kg(-1), with peak apoptosis (0.35 +/- 0.005 %; P<0.05) occurring in response to 5 mg kg(-1) . In the soleus, peak apoptosis (5.8 +/- 2 %; P<0.05) was induced by the lower dose of 10 microg kg(-1). Cardiomyocyte apoptosis occurred throughout the ventricles, atria and papillary muscles. However, this damage was most abundant in the left ventricular subendocardium at a point 1.6 mm, that is, approximately one-quarter of the way from the apex towards the base. beta-AR antagonism (involving propranolol, bisoprolol or ICI 118,551) or reserpine was used to show that Clenbuterol-induced myocardial apoptosis was mediated through neuromodulation of the sympathetic system and the cardiomyocyte beta1-AR, whereas in the soleus direct stimulation of the myocyte beta2-AR was involved. These data show that when administered in vivo, beta2-AR stimulation by Clenbuterol is detrimental to cardiac and skeletal muscles even at low doses, by inducing apoptosis through beta1- and beta2-AR, respectively.

All very interesting but Clenbuterol has also been proven to be Anabolic in horses so what gives
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Horses have a receptor (the name escapes me right now) that is not prevalent in humans.
 
I think clen stimulates anabolism via beta-3 andrenergic receptors, which are MUCH more prevalent in animals than humans.
 
Rodja said:
Horses have a receptor (the name escapes me right now) that is not prevalent in humans.
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rats are used in FDA trials phase II and III however they are not approved until human trials are conducted. There is a very good reason for this, we are not rats and drugs VERY often fail to get final FDA approval because they act differently, some times adversely and some times in a beneficial way that no one ever expexted, I could quote you 100's of cases

So in that regard we really will never know unless human trials are conducted..... Aint gonna happen

In light of insufficient data Ill go with the Pros and Broscience for now on this one
 
edwitt said:
rats are used in FDA trials phase II and III however they are not approved until human trials are conducted. There is a very good reason for this, we are not rats and drugs VERY often fail to get final FDA approval because they act differently, some times adversely and some times in a beneficial way that no one ever expexted, I could quote you 100's of cases

So in that regard we really will never know unless human trials are conducted..... Aint gonna happen

In light of insufficient data Ill go with the Pros and Broscience for now on this one
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I really do not see the point you're trying to make. There is really no sufficient data on either side so you're just siding with the information you find more comforting. Ostrich in the sand...
 
Rodja said:
I really do not see the point you're trying to make. There is really no sufficient data on either side so you're just siding with the information you find more comforting. Ostrich in the sand...
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5g of pure VAR just arrived from a little known European country and I'm off to bury my ostrich head in that too :) tested and G2G

Bottle of Everclear please geez
 
Rodja said:
I really do not see the point you're trying to make. There is really no sufficient data on either side so you're just siding with the information you find more comforting. Ostrich in the sand...
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If im not mistaken it was you who claimed "Clen can actually lead to cardiac cell death" and "the whole anti-catabolic thing is complete non-sense" and now you admit "There is really no sufficient data on either side" except the word of every single pro out there and 1000's of seasoned body builders over the course of decades or atleast those who have admitted to taking AAS and the others are liars (pros that is)

emmm

damn that VAR's got a kick to it, remind me not to snort it next time

:AR15firing:
 
Well here it is kids my very own first batch of homebrew

Anavar 25mg/ml 200ml

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Licked the bag clean like a coke addict
 
edwitt said:
Well here it is kids my very own first batch of homebrew

Anavar 25mg/ml 200ml

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Licked the bag clean like a coke addict
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Man that **** is potent 3ml 75mg VAR suspended in 170 proof vodka its got a kick like ****ing mule on steroids :08:

Need a mixer, make it a screwdriver tom

:drive:
 
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