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Logging my first run of Clen

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I've been following your Clen cut and i'm very impressed. Props on the hard work and success so far. I'm planning on starting a Clen cycle as well next week to lean out for summer, as i just finished an mdrol bulk cycle. What supps do you recommend running alongside Clen for best success? Do i need something like OEP or ECA to supplement the Clen, or does it work good solo? I've seen your list of supps but im kinda new to cutting so i'm curious of the essentials. Thanks and keep burning that fat! ill be following and learning from your experience

The one supp that I highly recommend you have on hand is Taurine! Some people (including myself) get wicked cramps from clen stripping the taurine out of your system, believe me nothing is worse then waking up with a cramp in the arch of your foot at 3 in the morning that makes you want to scream.
 
Glad strength has not been diminished.


Trying to research what is the highest dosage i can sefely go too given my lack of sides, do i continue to increase my dose so long as sides a are tolerable or is there a point at which it gets dangerous?

May need another bottle :439:
 
Trying to research what is the highest dosage i can sefely go too given my lack of sides, do i continue to increase my dose so long as sides a are tolerable or is there a point at which it gets dangerous?

May need another bottle :439:


Based on its rate of elimination from the body, and how much is usually needed to be effective for athletes, my recommendations are the same for both men and women. You´ll need to take 20mcgs upon rising, and then repeat that same dose again later in the day, and then once again in that day (if you find you can tolerate the effects). So you´ll start with 20mcgs, and then repeat that dose 2 more times that same day if you can tolerate it (side effects will determine this hand shaking, sweating, etc& classic stimulant sides). Then you can start increasing the dose gradually. Personally, I wouldn´t work my way up to more than 200mcg/day. 60-120mcg/day is an average dose. And keep your Blood Pressure at (or under) 140/90, while on clen, just to be safe. If you go over that, lower the dose. You´ll also want to know your body temperature, upon rising, for the week before you start taking your clen, and then monitor it (again, as soon as you wake up) throughout your clen regimen. When it returns to the level it was at before you began taking the clen, you´ll need to start taking your Benadryl or Ketotifen, as the decrease in Body Temperature back to original levels indicates the thermogenic effect is beginning to decline.

Clenbuterol can also cause a downregulation in testicular androgen receptors and in pulmonary, cardiac and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors(6.) possibly making steroids less effective (if there is androgen receptor downregulation elsewhere as well, then it´s highly probable) while you are on clen; but definitely making clen less effective as time goes on and you keep taking it. To counteract this, you can take some ketotifen every 3rd or 4th week that you remain on clen. It´s a prescription anti-histimines, so it´ll make you drowsy (take before bedtime). Basically, the way this works is to reduce beta-2 receptor activity, and restore receptor function (15).

Another option, if you are worried about receptor downgrade, is taking Benadryl, at around 50-100mgs/night before bed (every 3rd week or so, for that week). Benadryl is sold as an anti-histamine in the United States, and/or a sleep aid elsewhere in the world. However, Beta receptors are embedded in the cell´s outer phospholipid membrane. The stability of the membrane has a lot to do with the proper function of the receptors. Methylation of the phospholipids is stimulated by the binding of beta agonists to their receptors. Methylated phospholipids are foreign to the body, and when the body recognizes them as foreign, it breaks them down with phospholipase A2. This changes the structure of the outer membrane which results in desensitization of the beta receptors. On the other hand, agents that inhibit phospholipase A2 slow desensitization.

Cationic ampiphylic drugs are known for their ability to inhibit phospholipase A2. Benadryl (diphenhydramine) is a cationic ampiphylic drug.

Ergo, Benadryl slows desensitization of Beta receptors (i.e. Upgrades them) by inhibiting phospholipase A2, which is the enzyme that breaks down methylated phospholipids, and this action in turn keeps the phospholipid membrane stable, and thus keeps the receptors functioning properly. (7). This will allow you to use clen for much longer and it´ll still have the same effects. Also, since Benadryl is an anti-histamine, and histamines have a direct effect on beta-adrenoreceptors (not just Beta-2´s but all of them), using an anti-histamine will have a direct effect on reducing beta-receptor stimulation (16), and thus upregulating your beta-receptors.
 
Edwitt....you thought about including sesamin in your stack. Apprantely is prevents the down regulation of fat burning enzymes, which happens as shed more and more body fat, and inhibits the fat storage enzymes. My set point is around 11% bf and I was struggling to get below that without losing muscle. But since taking it I've dropped to around 9% ish...and not lost any muscle.
 
The one supp that I highly recommend you have on hand is Taurine! Some people (including myself) get wicked cramps from clen stripping the taurine out of your system, believe me nothing is worse then waking up with a cramp in the arch of your foot at 3 in the morning that makes you want to scream.

fortunately ive never experienced this even on the harshest of orals, think i must have the Keith Richard gene, immune to all sides

Seriuosly though i eat 4-5 bananas a day thats probably my savior
 
Edwitt....you thought about including sesamin in your stack. Apprantely is prevents the down regulation of fat burning enzymes, which happens as shed more and more body fat, and inhibits the fat storage enzymes. My set point is around 11% bf and I was struggling to get below that without losing muscle. But since taking it I've dropped to around 9% ish...and not lost any muscle.

what quantities etc
 
The standard does is 3000 mg divided into 3 doses spread out through the day. I believe it works in a similiar fashion to TTA.


thanks im gonna do some research and keep this one in my back pocket for when i start to plateau

Hope week 2 half as good as week one :439:
 
The one supp that I highly recommend you have on hand is Taurine! Some people (including myself) get wicked cramps from clen stripping the taurine out of your system, believe me nothing is worse then waking up with a cramp in the arch of your foot at 3 in the morning that makes you want to scream.

Ha thanks for the advice, i will def pick some up before i start my run. Btw, change that stupid avatar of yours :nono:. Just messin with ya

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Day 9
weight 226.2lb -0.2

Chest annihilation day

Glad to see weight loss is tapering off i have read that Clen is responsible for excreting excess water that may be retained by the body and im thinking that is why i had such a large weight loss on days 4 and 5 (3.8lbs total). Such dramatic losses would not be condusive to muscle retention. Hoping for 3-4 lbs a week no diet change
 
Day 9
weight 226.2lb -0.2

Chest annihilation day

Glad to see weight loss is tapering off i have read that Clen is responsible for excreting excess water that may be retained by the body and im thinking that is why i had such a large weight loss on days 4 and 5 (3.8lbs total). Such dramatic losses would not be condusive to muscle retention. Hoping for 3-4 lbs a week no diet change

225mcg split over 3 doses
Killer Chest/shoulders 2 hours, Shoulders felt healthy lifted heavy Bench 3 sets 315 for 5
No cardio today
 
Day 10
226.4lb +0.2lb

Don't let that discourage you, you're log is really inspiring to me.

Is there a reason for so many short cardio sessions? I do hIIT as well but I tend to do it 45+ minutes or I really don't burn any fat. I'm currently down 19 lbs in 9 weeks, and just started taking eCA yesterday. Perhaps I'm misinformed as to how HIIT is supposed to work?
 
Don't let that discourage you, you're log is really inspiring to me.

Is there a reason for so many short cardio sessions? I do hIIT as well but I tend to do it 45+ minutes or I really don't burn any fat. I'm currently down 19 lbs in 9 weeks, and just started taking eCA yesterday. Perhaps I'm misinformed as to how HIIT is supposed to work?

HIIT is normally performed 20 to 25 mins it tends to be catabolic after 30mins

HIIT training has a number of benefits in addition to the reduction in training time. First of all, this type of training is far superior to steady-state exercises when it comes to increasing your VO2 max, which is the maximum amount of oxygen you can uptake during exercise. This means that you'll be in much better shape when it comes time to play a game of football with the guys.

Secondly, when you perform long-duration, moderate-intensity exercise, you can actually put yourself in a catabolic state in which you will start losing muscle mass. That's right: Some of that hard-earned muscle will start degrading itself in your quest to get lean.

The reason is that there are two types of muscle fibers in your body: fast twitch and slow twitch.

Slow twitch fibers are more compatible with endurance training (such as a steady-state one-hour run), whereas fast twitch fibers are more compatible with short, intense bouts of exercise (such as weightlifting or sprinting).

When we train in one of these modes, our muscle tissue has a tendency to take on the appropriate properties. As an illustration, imagine a marathon runner and a sprinter. The sprinter is composed of fast twitch muscles and carries a great deal more muscle mass, whereas the marathoner has a lot of thin, slow twitch muscle fibers so that his body is as light as possible to transport across those great distances.
 
Monitoring you body temperature?

it is not necessary but it is a good indicator of the therogenic effect

During the cycle you can monitor body temperature. Once the temperature drops back to normal, clenbuterol is no longer exhibiting a thermogenic effect. This normally occurs around the 3rd weekAt this point increasing the dosage would not be very effective, and a break should be taken before it is used again effectively.

You can get around this by taking 25-50mg of Benedryl or Ketofen to upregulate ur Beta receptors every 3rd week

The "Dave Palumbo"method 6 weeks straight taking one week of Benedryl or ketofen evry 3rd week

monitoring body temp however IMO really not necessary either do 2 weeks on 2 weeks off or upto 6 straight with Benedryl
 
Goddamnit, I hate the fact that I've been burning up muscle. I've kept measurements and I've actually gained about an 8th of an inch on my arms, but stayed the exact same almost everywhere else that doesn't hold a lot of fat (calves, etc.).

Quick question to you since I JUST started ECY (got my terms mixed up earlier, mine is yohimbe, not aspirin) should I start taking benedryl at night right now? I've been a stimulant junkie for a long time, including just prior to starting ephedra yesterday. I already take a very low dose anti-histamine at night, do all of them perform the same job? Or is it benedryl specifically that does the trick? Sorry to hijack, but I thought it might be more acceptable to ask such a question in an already existing thread.

Keep up the hard work man, and thanks for the help above and hopefully the answers to these questions.

P.S. if the benedryl is clenbuterol specific, then I'm sorry to waste your time, but I thought they both ruined the same receptors.
 
How is the t3 treating you?
Good. I run it around 75mcg from the start. No need to ramp it up, but you'll want to ramp it down after 6 weeks. I would recommend start ramping down at week 4... that's my current protocol and it works wonders.
 
Just started following the log-- impressive! Don't let keeping an online log mind**** you, though, as it sometimes does to people.
You're doing great. I look forward to seeing your success on day 60!
 
Just ordered some Anavar and will be running for the last 3 weeks of the cycle @ 80mg a day :)
 
Just ordered some Anavar and will be running for the last 3 weeks of the cycle @ 80mg a day :)


ok so i just ordered some Anavar in powder form 5g

this is what i have dug up

the method by which you get good accuracy for the dissolving in high proof alcohol, is-

Powder Displacement factor (DF): Powder Weight x 1ml
Volume (V): Powder Weight / Concentration (P/C)
Concentration (C): Powder Weight / Volume (P/V)
Powder Weight (P): 5g.
Solvent (S): volume - DF

So,

DF = 5ml
V = 200ml
C = 25mg/ml
P = 5000mg
S = 195ml

So, add 195ml of Everclear or Overproof to the 5g of Var, stir/shake untill totally dissolved. This produces 200ml of 25mg/ml Anavar powder.

Any chemists wish to comment on this method or add an alternatives?
 
Day 11
Weight 225lb -1.4 :)

220mcg 2 doses 110mcg
50mg ECA
60 mins bis/tris
60mins cardio 130-140HR Boxing/elyptical

Unfortunately belly fat being being stubborn but getting there, noticing more definition in the arms and shoulders
 
220mcg 2 doses 100mcg
50mg ECA
60 mins bis/tris
69mins cardio 130-140HR Boxing/elyptical

Unfortunately belly fat being being stubborn but getting there, noticing more definition in the arms and shoulders
Keep it up buddy. Doing good.
 
Day 12
Weight 225.8 +0.8
Rest Day
40mins roadbike 130HR


The +0.8 has to be flucuation in water retention. Diet remains the same, so sick of chicken
 
Edwitt- any noticeable sides or doing good with those?

no mate would seem every one reacts very differently as i said before my wife was shaking like a meth head on 50mcg whereas im taking 220mcg and only very mild hand tremors no nausea headaches nothing and sleeping well
 
Oh wow, I saw the picture before reading this, and was all ready to be like where did the muscles go? LOL, can't wait to see the actual results of this cycle, should look pretty cut.


lmao..... **** that would be depressing 14 months of blood sweat and tears to end up like that :( think id jump of the Brooklyn Bridge

:AR15firing:
 
Day 13
Weight 227lb +1.2
9am 200mcg
50mg ECA
1.30 50mcg

60mins roadbike 130HR
60mins tread/elypical/boxing 130-150

Diet remains the same no idea why the weight fluctuation is.. Only change is that i ran out for 3 days my multi and Activate X. Restocked those

2 week review on Friday morning
 
What's the mirror telling you? Scales suck man.

So many odd things could have come together to provide just 1lb. Lacking the multivitamin could have lead to a potassium difficiency, which could have lead to a little more water retention, as an example.

Keep it up brother. Maybe try dropping the calories? Adding in a new non stim supp like pyruvate or l-carnitine(you may already be, just throwing out ideas).
 
What's the mirror telling you? Scales suck man.

So many odd things could have come together to provide just 1lb. Lacking the multivitamin could have lead to a potassium difficiency, which could have lead to a little more water retention, as an example.

Keep it up brother. Maybe try dropping the calories? Adding in a new non stim supp like pyruvate or l-carnitine(you may already be, just throwing out ideas).

thanks... well im back on my multi and i will be re evaluating diet and any additional sups on Friday morning which br my weigh in for the 2 week mark. Im looking fwd to starting the VAR which i will be taking @ 80mg ED for the last 3 weeks
 
What's the mirror telling you? Scales suck man.

So many odd things could have come together to provide just 1lb. Lacking the multivitamin could have lead to a potassium difficiency, which could have lead to a little more water retention, as an example.

Keep it up brother. Maybe try dropping the calories? Adding in a new non stim supp like pyruvate or l-carnitine(you may already be, just throwing out ideas).

oh and the mirror says "all is well" hope the tape measure says the same on Friday
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Day 14
Weight 225.2lb -1.6

Ok I'm back in the game and tom morning will be the 2 week mark. All sups are back on track and today is chest/shoulders. I'm hoping to crack 225lbs in the morn. Gonna work hard today but I'm not gonna cheat on the calories. Keeping them high for heavy lift day. Breakfast was 700k :) I will keep log os meals and p c f breakdown today to give u an idea of what the diet has been like.

7lbs would be a great number for 2 weeks given my diet
 
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