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LOG: Athletix+PES Lean Bulk!

One more thing-cardio this past week was wayyy lower than normal amount.. Missed two total sessions of 500 n 700 calories due to funeral n gym closure, other three sessions were about 100-250 calories less each.. so big drop off and still maintained weight.. Noticed mostly recomp effect so far.
 
uknowme62 said:
You burn 700 calories in one cardio session a day?
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On lifting days it's about 5-600 hundred between pre and post cardio. On the Tuesday/Thursday sessions, yes 700-800. That is between 30-35 mins of incline walking and 10-15 minutes of elliptical or stairmaster. It's 700-800 depending how intense I go. This was working for me very well in January when I lived at home... I would do this session and carb up for the next days lift and cArdio.. I maintained my lean ness from my December cut and quite a bit bigger... I was also stacking two fat burners and erase/anabeta...

Now I am going to drop my Tuesday cardio session entirely. Bc I live at school during the week, I don't have the means of takkn in the amount of cals I was at home in January. I do 20 minutes of HIIT pre lift on mon, wed, fri. Then the JUST cardio on Thursday's. When I start to cut in late April I will add thst tuesday session back in and possibly a sundAy session... All the cardio definitely raises my cortisol so I feel it's best to only do a High amountof cardio when my supplements can support it (erase for example) but not Now bc I want to gain mass.

I wish I was a lot leaner... I have very bad generics and a very bad medical history of anorexia which damaged my thyroid and pituitary (whole endocrine system) fairly badly.. Hormone levels are very poor and thyroid is just above hypo levels... Insulin tolerance is awful so I take a GDA year round to help manage that.
 
uknowme62 said:
Sorry if I missed it in an earlier post, but how many calories are u taking in a day?
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I know where you're heading with this.. I do not count calories. Thats how I became anorexic. I understand to gain muscle I must be at +500 daily.. I just can't n don't want to count cals again, I'm obsessed enough as it is lol. All I know is I've been at ~160 for quite some time. The make up of thst is highly dependent on my type of food I eat, cardio levels, and supplementation. To shred up I increase my fat burners n take a diuretic n cut out carbs except for one day a week.. For bulking I have decreases fat burners n cardio n increased carb intake greatly n still maintaining weight, but a lot softer n more water... In short, idk daily intake.. But breakdown would bs roughly 70protein/20fat/10 cArbs. I know I'm getting at least bodyweight grams of protein.
 
I was actually just curious. I do count mine @ 1800 with one cheat day a week not more than 3k. I'm at 5' 10" 230 though.
 
uknowme62 said:
Lol the idea is to not be this size. 180 is prbly ideal weight for me.
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Gotcha. Didn't pick up on you being on a cut.. That'll definitely do it. After a few weeks (4-6) u will prob notice drop off in weight loss. Take a week off from exercise.. Maybe do one cardio day in the middle n keep cals relatively low. This will reset your body n lower your cortisol n when u start back up the lbs will fly off again. Are you using any weight loss support yet?? I've tried most everything out there lol
 
I am not using anything. I'm kinda at a stand still and have been looking for something. I went from 330 to 230 now with nothing but I am open to feedback from any fatloss supp users.
 
uknowme62 said:
I am not using anything. I'm kinda at a stand still and have been looking for something. I went from 330 to 230 now with nothing but I am open to feedback from any fatloss supp users.
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Wow that's awesome results. Sending pm about other products
 
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Give EC + Erase and Alpha T2 (or Shift) a try.. It will melt off you.

4 years ago I went from 360-195 in 11 months. High Protein/Very low carb ... didnt pay alot of attention to fat as it was either shakes or lean meat i was eating. Only problem now is loose skin which is frustrating.
 
wasme said:
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Give EC + Erase and Alpha T2 (or Shift) a try.. It will melt off you.

4 years ago I went from 360-195 in 11 months. High Protein/Very low carb ... didnt pay alot of attention to fat as it was either shakes or lean meat i was eating. Only problem now is loose skin which is frustrating.
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Thanks for joining. Yeap I love any ephedra based fat burner, I've got a few favorites.. My go to cut stack is erase, ephedra of choice, oxy elite, diuretic. Where is your lose skin, I've definitely got it too.. Gotta build up the abs it'll make a world of difference
 
Killer Updates bro! Im just starting my Erase this past weekend 3 caps daily along with Recourse and Dermacrine. You oughta step in on my log if you want! Pictures looking good as well.
 
packers6211 said:
Killer Updates bro! Im just starting my Erase this past weekend 3 caps daily along with Recourse and Dermacrine. You oughta step in on my log if you want! Pictures looking good as well.
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Link me up packers
 
Nothing big yet since coming off shoulder surgery. But feeling good with yesterday workout, I think it a month I'll be lifting heavy again.
 
chedapalooza said:
Thanks for joining. Yeap I love any ephedra based fat burner, I've got a few favorites.. My go to cut stack is erase, ephedra of choice, oxy elite, diuretic. Where is your lose skin, I've definitely got it too.. Gotta build up the abs it'll make a world of difference
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Mostly around midsection.. but as you can imagine, losing almost 'a person' and quickly leaves alot of loose skin. But hoping that through constant working out, and muscle building that the skin will tighten up... time will tell.
 
chedapalooza said:
Gotcha. Didn't pick up on you being on a cut.. That'll definitely do it. After a few weeks (4-6) u will prob notice drop off in weight loss. Take a week off from exercise.. Maybe do one cardio day in the middle n keep cals relatively low. This will reset your body n lower your cortisol n when u start back up the lbs will fly off again. Are you using any weight loss support yet?? I've tried most everything out there lol
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I second this.
 
Day 4 march 5th 2012

Supps:
1 erase, 2 titanium, 1d1, 6 prometheus AM
1 d1 4 hours later
1 erase, 2 titanium, 1d1 with dinner
1 d1 at bed

Exercise:quads chest back abs+cardio (418
See page 3 for routine

Sleep - 3 am-2pm couldn't wake up for class, not sure why I'm sleeping so much n not feeling rested
Mood/Aggression- normal, was a little pissy in the gym, ppl getting in my way n being dumb wasting space
Energy- 5/10, blah
Mental Focus and Clarity- 5/10, messed up order of some exercises, was off w my interval timing during cardio :/
Stress- normal/avg.
Immune System- n/a
Libido- normal again, nothing like it was over the weekend... Wonder if upping to 3 erase has anything to do with this??
Joints- n/a
Endurance- 7/10 a little bogged down 3/4 way thru workout
Strength- started great then dropped off, went down on incline db presses, increased or stayed same on all others
Pump & vascularity- 9/10 very full n defined today during lift, nice separation in arms/delts
Quality of Training- 8/10 pretty good despite screwing up order of exercises, cardio was not good.
Recovery- no soreness really as of yet (4 hours post lift)
Notes- cardio was hell.. Lungs were burning, had to stop n spit out huge wad of mucus.. Messed up timing intervals, lower calories than I would have liked n had no energy or motivation for post cardio. No cardio tomorrow hoping to increase muscle size now. Dry mouth was awful today (Prometheus side effect, either daa or agmatine is causing this. I won't know until I use agmatine solo in a few months). Drop in libido is very upsetting... Seriously wondering if the 3 erase starting Sunday has anything to do with it (too low cort) idk... Not really willing to scale back bc I am getting good leaning effects... Thoughts? Lastly- the extra warm up sets of 15 before each lift really increased the intensity n I feel a lot more worked in a good way, I feel n see the difference after only one session..
 
Don't have enough experience to give you advise on supps. However, I had these kind of days. Keep it up man. Fight through it. I definitely had my share of the blah days along the way.

I can't remember if you are using stims. If not, do you think you are missing them ?
 
fumoney said:
Don't have enough experience to give you advise on supps. However, I had these kind of days. Keep it up man. Fight through it. I definitely had my share of the blah days along the way.

I can't remember if you are using stims. If not, do you think you are missing them ?
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I'm using verrry low dose from what I'm used to.. Feb n march were the start of low dose . As opposed to stacking two at full doses, I'm using only one at half or 2/3 dose... So huge drop off.. I couldn't do no stim, I tried but had awful withdrawal symptoms.. I'm using roxy lean 2 caps a day and shift 3 caps (shift is non stimulant thyroid booster) I need them or I will blow up n gain bf.. April I will go back to full dose 1 burner + half dose a second. may thru summer will be 2 full dose stacked n diuretics to shred. Csbt wait lol.
 
***breaking update***

decided as I was taking my night time doses thst I will go back to 2 erase. I've really only been on 3 for one day! So, I decided since my last great libido effects were on Sat (last day I took 2 erase) I will stick with 2 for another week to see if the libido returns... After ten days on 2 I will up to 3 erase regardless for 11 days during my spring break- reason for this is I tend ro eat way more than I should when I am home during winter (I can control myself during beach season) but I will be home spring break n still training but I will be utilizing a mass building calorie plan in which I alternate from very high cals (4-5k) to very low (1000-1500) every day. I dud this in January n gained solid size with minimal to no increase in bf... I simply do not have the means to eat like that at school. The erase will help ease the bloat on high cal days.. I love it for being such a multi purpose supp!
 
chedapalooza said:
***breaking update***

Sat (last day I took 2 erase) I will stick with 2 for another week to see if the libido returns...
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Interested to see your results.. I tried DAA + Erase @ 3 a day and found my libido tanked. But the lean out effect it was giving me made me not want to go back to 2 per day...
 
wasme said:
Interested to see your results.. I tried DAA + Erase @ 3 a day and found my libido tanked. But the lean out effect it was giving me made me not want to go back to 2 per day...
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Glad it's not in my head. The titanium should really improve it for me as well which is y I was shocked to have it drop off so quickly.. At school I do not eat as much as at home, wondering if thst is playing a role as well. I actually am still noticing more leaning as of today which again is shocking bc my cardio has dropped by about 1700 total cals over the past 7 days. Idk what to make of it all quite yet!
 
That could be still part of the Erase (cortisol blocking, and further drying out). That and the thyroid altering affect from Shift.

The fact that you are eating less while at school could in fact be part of the equation as I always found when i was super low carb - libido is gone.
 
wasme said:
That could be still part of the Erase (cortisol blocking, and further drying out). That and the thyroid altering affect from Shift.

The fact that you are eating less while at school could in fact be part of the equation as I always found when i was super low carb - libido is gone.
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Definitely .. It's a combination of low carb intake (weekends r my carb up day(s)
Week is high protein n fat with trace carbs (20g or less) weekends jumps to about 100-150 Max with cheat days around 200 carbs and increased fat.
 
I would say the libido issue is the erase. Mine is generally insane but using erase at 3 caps kills it. Everything still works just fine...you just don't care. :)
 
Rahl said:
I would say the libido issue is the erase. Mine is generally insane but using erase at 3 caps kills it. Everything still works just fine...you just don't care. :)
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EXACTLY - I can still get the Job done but I'm not like texting my gf every halfhour to stop doing hw n come to my room immediately haha. I liked that ravenous libido I experienced this weekend though.. See if it returns..

I dosed 4 caps back in December bc I was cutting for a cruise. Definitely worked and still little to no joint pain, however libido was about the same level as at 3 caps, everything still worked tho.. It was weird bc some days wed go 2-3 times and then nothing for a day or two.
 
chedapalooza said:
EXACTLY - I can still get the Job done but I'm not like texting my gf every halfhour to stop doing hw n come to my room immediately haha. I liked that ravenous libido I experienced this weekend though.. See if it returns..

I dosed 4 caps back in December bc I was cutting for a cruise. Definitely worked and still little to no joint pain, however libido was about the same level as at 3 caps, everything still worked tho.. It was weird bc some days wed go 2-3 times and then nothing for a day or two.
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That sounds familiar. I've honestly considered keeping some around for the "the week". Lol
 
I was going to say it is definitely the ERASE. Yes lowering estrogen increases testosterone but lowering estrogen too much KILLS the libido. The other two supps from Athletix will help bring it up but the biggest thing is getting the Estrogen at the right level. Now once the other stuff increases test more you may be able to go to 3 Erase because there may be enough testosterone to actually cause a tiny bit more aromatization.
 
MrKleen73 said:
I was going to say it is definitely the ERASE. Yes lowering estrogen increases testosterone but lowering estrogen too much KILLS the libido. The other two supps from Athletix will help bring it up but the biggest thing is getting the Estrogen at the right level. Now once the other stuff increases test more you may be able to go to 3 Erase because there may be enough testosterone to actually cause a tiny bit more aromatization.
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Definitely. Only issue is I usually have higher than normal estrogen .. Maybe since I have used erase a couple of times now, my body has lowered it on it's own, if possible?

I only took 3 for one day, but two definitely is effective still.. Holding off til the 16th, then will up to 3 for 10 days before tapering.
 
Curious what differences you found from 3 to 4 erase a day... and do you find 2 pretty well gives you the same effects as 3?
 
wasme said:
Curious what differences you found from 3 to 4 erase a day... and do you find 2 pretty well gives you the same effects as 3?
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I would say difference from 3 to 4 was increased leaning, increased appetite yet ability to eat more and still lean out. Ability to handle more intesnity and frequency of exercise for cutting. Was just super dry on 4. No joint pain though.
2 is close to 3, but 3 will definitely serve better for a cut.. 2 is perfect for puttin on some lean and clean mass
 
Day 5 march 6th 2012


Supps:
1 erase, 2 titanium, 1d1, 6 prometheus AM
1 d1 4 hours later
1 erase, 2 titanium, 1d1 with dinner
1 d1 at bed

Exercise: none

Sleep - 3 am to noon, decent quality
Mood/Aggression- fine
Energy- fine, no exercise, 9/10
Mental Focus and Clarity- good 10/10
Stress- up n down
Immune System- n/a
Libido- felt a little better today. Got into fight w gf so can't test it out now ...
Joints- no pain, noticing some ankle n elbow cracking..
Endurance- n/a
Strength- n/a
Pump & vascularity- felt very solid n tight today
Quality of Training- n/a
Recovery- feeling the chest/back workout from yesterday, quads not so much. Gf said my traps/upper back felt bigger nfuller. Arms as well.
Notes-continued leaning, on the course of a recomp at this rate, however appetite was wayyy up today so I increased carbs n cals a bit even tho it was a non workout day. Glad I decided to take Tuesday's off for a while. I'm also going to go home Thursday night instead of Fridays like usual and have a bigg cheat meal which consists of large bowl of mixed cereals (natural stuff like kashi n flax cereals/fiber one) and lots of nut mixes from trader joes and natty pb.. Usually have some sort of sweet/high GI carb to satisfy the cravings that pop up.. Training after a cheat day is either hit or miss.. Either very good or totally lethargic.. I will double dose my slin sane prior to this and it will fall on a cardio day so I will be 7-800 cals negative which is always comforting going into a cheat. Looking forward to shoulders arms n hams n abs tomorrow. The extra warn up sets of 15 made a world of difference on Monday's workout!

Thanks for following, everyone
 
I feel so lazy saying it but I am dreading cardio again today. I usually enjoy it and accept it as necessary, but I realllly don't wanna so it after doing so much less last week! I just feel n look better doing it at my normal level. I AM going to do it, just wanted to note lack of motivation. Desire to hit the weights is very high though.
 
chedapalooza said:
I feel so lazy saying it but I am dreading cardio again today. I usually enjoy it and accept it as necessary, but I realllly don't wanna so it after doing so much less last week! I just feel n look better doing it at my normal level. I AM going to do it, just wanted to note lack of motivation. Desire to hit the weights is very high though.
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I know everybody does things their own way just wondered if you ever thought of just doing cardio after weights still get the benefits while allowing full energy to weights :-) just what I do and has great success. Keep killing it bud
 
bean5er said:
I know everybody does things their own way just wondered if you ever thought of just doing cardio after weights still get the benefits while allowing full energy to weights :-) just what I do and has great success. Keep killing it bud
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I do a little post workout. My mainfocus is staying lean year round. So I do my cardio while I'm fresh. It also feels good to be nice n loose n sweaty once I hit the weights.
 
Here's an early update for y'all

Day 6 march 7, 2012

Supps:
1 erase, 2 titanium, 1d1, 6 prometheus AM
1 d1 4 hours later
1 erase, 2 titanium, 1d1 with dinner
1 d1 at bed

Exercise: hams, shoulders, bis/tris, abs, cardio (34 minutes 432 cals of hiit/walking treadmill)

Sleep - 3am to 9am, 1pm to 3pm (nap before gym, after class) decent quality for both
Mood/Aggression- really good until another fight with gf haha.
Energy- was good in the am for classes, Almost didn't need the nap, but then decided to take it anyway, was a good idea, had nothing else to do lol
Mental Focus and Clarity- better than past few days.. 7/10
Stress- kinda high, bombed a midterm cuz I didn't study/missed a lot of classes, another fight with gf, money issues.
Immune System- n/a
Libido- no noticeable increase while staying at 2 erase.. Still sticking with plan of 2/day until the 16th.. Will monitor libido after cheat meal tomorrow and thru the weekend which is when it was sky high last time.
Joints- no pain, confirmed increase cracking in ankles
Endurance- better today, pushed cardio hard 7/10, gonna push hiit cardio super hard on Friday to burn off cheat and take advantage of extra cals.
Strength- good on some lifts, bad on others
Pump&vascularity- very good, nice separation in arms/delts again during workout. I know daa makes me hold more water, can see it in certain areas
Quality of Training- 8/10
Recovery- still sore from Monday chest/back, feeling the hams already (workout ended at 7pm) hopefully Arms follow soon, felt very pumped during workout
Notes-overall uneventful day. Could have been better but could have been a lot worse. Very low carb eating today in prep for tomorrow's carb up/cheat. Will not break fast until about 530 tomorrow evening, cheats always happen at night even though I know it's the worst time to eat a lot... It works with minimal damage bc I follow IF and leave myself allotment for the cals. Also will be doing low intensity cardio for 45-50 mins tomorrow between classes, may push longer. Hoping to keep the scale at least the same and put on some size.. Only been a week really so we will weigh in Sunday.
 
jwa254 said:
damn brotha. hopefully the erase helps out with any stress-induced cortisol
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Hopefully. I'm sure it will. Another reason for upping to 3 erase the day before st patties is that I am going to Boston to visit friends for the day/night. I rarely drink anymore (used to drink stupid amounts n not even get sick) but I know alcohol raises cortisol and estrogen. So hopefully the fresh addition of another capsule will help ease the drinking. Not even gonna be drinking "smart" ... Baileys, guinness , car bombs, etc.. Gonna be interesting .
 
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