KLEEN LIVING - A log about Life, Training, and Nutrition.

Gave it some thought and after todays session doubled down on my protein shake postWO. I figure I have 8 weeks for my next push here. a day or two of balancing things out will tell me where I am but even if I'm at a legit 190 right now I should be flirting with 182 by halloween and with the lean mass I've built these past 2 years if I'm not pretty damn happy at 182 I'd be shocked. that would be a great place for me to make decisions on the future.


Newbie question that I already know the answer to, but you don't get any break down on scoring at all do you? Do you and Pat have specific ideas on what you need/want to improve for the next show? I'm just so wow'd by how sliced your legs look. Any idea what BF you floated at on stage? I'm pretty sure my lowest ever was around 8 or 8.6% or something like that and even though I had good separation in the quads I don't remember my legs being near as thin-skinned or veiny as you get. Although I'm hairy like animal, grr.
You can, yes but unfortunately they posted up on the site that we could request the info at the site after the show and I kept bothering the promotor and finally he comes back after originally directing me that the info would be available on the site by Sept 7, that instead they only did walk up and talk to the judge after the show for feedback. Honestly, I don't think I need their feedback this time around. We will be pushing legs harder this year to get them a little bigger and hopefully be able to get some things in to increase back thickness. Overall though, I think the goal is grow everything, then clean up earlier and plan to be around 6% or look like it by a month out so we can just refine things on the way in. Also perfecting the pageantry side of things like staying big during transitions from one pose to another, and getting into the poses more quickly.
Yeah that curl combo will light up the world!
Oh yeah, it definitely does the trick!
 
I have been eating 3900 calories a day for the last 4 days and gained 3.4 lbs. Not too bad. More full, and vascular but still pretty darn tight. My chest was a little sore for a couple days after Monday, and my legs got their asses kicked yesterday to the point my quads were seizing up here and there when standing after sitting or if I flexed them. They are sore today, if I squat low I can really feel them. I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be worse. I will post up my session later tonight. I am about to get out of here, go home have my pre-workout, make my intra drink and head to the gym for a shoulder and triceps session.
 
how long do you plan to be in such a surplus for?
3900 calories clean sounds like a monster of a day right now to me.

Unless you allow me to slide a costco rotisserie chicken in there, then I can make it happen I think.
 
how long do you plan to be in such a surplus for?
3900 calories clean sounds like a monster of a day right now to me.

Unless you allow me to slide a costco rotisserie chicken in there, then I can make it happen I think.
Oh it definitely is a big day of eating. However since changing the foods and bringing volume of food down from the last bulk via food choices it is not as bad now that I am adjusted to it. breakfast is a big high volume meal. Then the 2 turkey burgess go down easily and the white buns digest without any issue or bloat and then I get a Naked Juice with the burgers as well, driving up the carbs. Breakfast is pretty high volume but everything digests pretty easily, so eating again is easy. Then 75 grams of carbs in my intra drink really bumps carbs without adding additional volume. Post workout and dinner are also relatively high volumes of food but again things that digest easily. So although it is a lot of clean food it is not anywhere near the volume of food I was eating at this caloric level before. If we didn't have the juice, and intra carbs and were having to get those from whole food then this would be far more challenging. However 135g of carbs from liquid sources really help keeping the volume down.

I decided I needed a break from the regular salt and pepper eggs. So I made "Breadless French Toast" as a way to be creative and change things up. Instead of salt and pepper, I went with splenda and cinnamon, and cooked more like a pancake. Then I cut it up put it in the bowl and doused it with some Walden Farms 0 Calorie syrup. It is pretty off the chain when you are tired of regular eggs.

Here is a pic of my breakfast this morning. Don't let the bowls fool you, those are 5 cup bowls. Not small ones. 90g cream of rice, 150g strawberries and 16g almond butter in the rice cereal. Then 2 whole eggs, and 330g of liquid egg whites in the eggs. Good stuff!

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Legs - I did several warm up sets on the hacks, and leg press, one or two of them could have probably been considered a light work set. So overall volume probably a little higher then it looks here.


Legs - (Tuesday)
Wednesday, Sep 11, 2024 at 5:31pm


Seated Hack Squat
Set 1: 230 lbs x 8 @ 8 rpe
Set 2: 230 lbs x 8 @ 8 rpe

Leg Press (Machine)
Set 1: 480 lbs x 15 @ 7 rpe
Set 2: 570 lbs x 10 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 3: 520 lbs x 9 @ 8.5 rpe

Walking Lunge (Dumbbell)
12, 9

Glute Ham Raise
Set 1: 12 reps @1.5RIR
Set 2: 9 reps @1RIR

Lying Leg Curl (Machine)
Set 1: 45 lbs x 15 @ 8.5 rpe
Set 2: 45 lbs x 11 @ 9.5 rpe


Also here is a little quad vein action from my leg session.

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Oh yeah as far as how long I will be at this surplus, I don't really know. I would assume until I need to increase calories to another level. He is trying to aggressively rebound me so he intends to feed me until I start to soften up. We need to get as much out of this rebound as we can while not on gear. I am not navigating this trip so not sure. Just depends how soft I start getting and how long it takes for that. Coach bases his changes off of what he sees at the time of check in, he doesn't really lay out a big plan ahead, or at least doesn't really discuss it too much.
 
Oh yeah as far as how long I will be at this surplus, I don't really know. I would assume until I need to increase calories to another level. He is trying to aggressively rebound me so he intends to feed me until I start to soften up. We need to get as much out of this rebound as we can while not on gear. I am not navigating this trip so not sure. Just depends how soft I start getting and how long it takes for that. Coach bases his changes off of what he sees at the time of check in, he doesn't really lay out a big plan ahead, or at least doesn't really discuss it too much.

I like that a lot about the way he does this. I assume he has a general idea of how he wants things to go, but prefer to take it one week at a time. I know he’s said he uses hunger feedback as a big indicator for his calorie swings, too.
 
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I like that a lot about the way he does this. I assume he has a general idea of how he wants things to go, but prefer to take it one week at a time. I know he’s said he uses hunger feedback as a big indicator for his calorie swings, too.
Agreed!
just test right now then?
Well noting at all right now, I will start test back up next week. I am letting androgen levels fall back down for a physical with some blood work shortly after

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WooHoo! Welcome Kat!
 
That’s a lot of food to get down in the morning!
Yeah it is! The eggs can be a challenge but the cream of rice is like a dessert so I power through the eggs first then go for the easy to eat stuff.

Did my check in this morning, you guys won't believe this... 3900 calories, and I lost weight this week!!!!

Morning Fasted Weight - 191.8 down from 192.4 last Saturday.

Reported to coach I was having blood sugar issues with the 500g of carbs, and only 82 grams of fat. I am guessing we will adjust carb and fat balance a little to address blood sugar issues. I keep getting extremely tired after my high carb lower fat meals. So, I tested Thursday and this morning and was 101, and 103 perspectively. Not good. However this happend last year when we hit 500 with lower fats and we he lowered carbs a little and increased fats and I was back in the low 80's almost immediately. I half expect since I lost weight we may leave carbs where they are and just add some fats in. However, I will leave that up to the mad scientist! He knows what he is doing.
 
3900 cals and losing weight?! Magic.
Agreed, here are some of the pics, tight as a drum.

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I have been eating 3900 calories a day for the last 4 days and gained 3.4 lbs. Not too bad. More full, and vascular but still pretty darn tight. My chest was a little sore for a couple days after Monday, and my legs got their asses kicked yesterday to the point my quads were seizing up here and there when standing after sitting or if I flexed them. They are sore today, if I squat low I can really feel them. I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be worse. I will post up my session later tonight. I am about to get out of here, go home have my pre-workout, make my intra drink and head to the gym for a shoulder and triceps session.
Agreed, here are some of the pics, tight as a drum.

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Really interested to see how your body responds to this bulk and surplus eating before your next cut. The way it went the last time was great, so with where you’re at now I bet this time you could carry more weight and when you tighten back up in prep come in even bigger and even more ripped.
And dude you’re looking really good in those last shots….full and ripped. Oh and the veins in the quads are sick.🤘💪
 
Agreed, here are some of the pics, tight as a drum.

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Holy smokes man! Really staying tight and looking even bigger I feel like. Really excited to see what this next year brings for you!!
 
Really interested to see how your body responds to this bulk and surplus eating before your next cut. The way it went the last time was great, so with where you’re at now I bet this time you could carry more weight and when you tighten back up in prep come in even bigger and even more ripped.
And dude you’re looking really good in those last shots….full and ripped. Oh and the veins in the quads are sick.🤘💪
Thanks, yeah I am pretty excited as well. I am looking pretty HUGE at the moment. Just a little bloated. I had my free meal at Fogo with my son yesterday. We tore it up. I am guessing 2-2.5lbsw of meat, 4 Brazilian Lemonades - it is Lemon / Lime Juice and sweet cream mixed together (Free Refills) so I am guessing at 4, they just kept waling buy and topping it off. Then I had a piece of Tres Leches for dessert. I woke up just under 200 lbs, vascular and full as a tick. Obviously not as detailed, and my gut is gonna be full most of the day today. or I will spnd a good amount of time on the throne. Probably both!
^^ No joke! Impressive to say the least! Your body is just soaking up the calories!
Thanks Kat, really appreciate it and love seeing you back on here. Are you updating your log again? If so I must have lost my subscription.
Holy smokes man! Really staying tight and looking even bigger I feel like. Really excited to see what this next year brings for you!!
Thank you Sir!!!

So this weekend was eventful. Ended up having to work on my daughters car. She has an overheating problem with her jeep that is some how eluding me. We have replaced the radiator, now the thermostat and it is still overheating. The fan is moving but I have no idea what speed. So could be running a bit slow. Hoping maybe I just didn't get it burped well enough or my son didn't tighten something enough on the thermostat housing. Either way, it got in the way of shopping for this weeks food. So today I am going to be winging it to hit my macros. I have protein powder, rice, 2 MetRX Big 100 Protein bars Hamburger buns and almond butter. So I have the makings for a decent day with macros, and probably won't be a bad thing after the pounds of meat yesterday for me to have easily digested protein sources today.

I will be hitting up chest and biceps this afternoon, Looking forward to the session. I should get one hell of a pump today and hopefully have a great session!
 
fuckin' A dude!!
any idea what weight you expect to be at next comp? it's sorta crazy to see you all white after the last couple comps getting your bronze on lol
 
Thanks, yeah I am pretty excited as well. I am looking pretty HUGE at the moment. Just a little bloated. I had my free meal at Fogo with my son yesterday. We tore it up. I am guessing 2-2.5lbsw of meat, 4 Brazilian Lemonades - it is Lemon / Lime Juice and sweet cream mixed together (Free Refills) so I am guessing at 4, they just kept waling buy and topping it off. Then I had a piece of Tres Leches for dessert. I woke up just under 200 lbs, vascular and full as a tick. Obviously not as detailed, and my gut is gonna be full most of the day today. or I will spnd a good amount of time on the throne. Probably both!

Thanks Kat, really appreciate it and love seeing you back on here. Are you updating your log again? If so I must have lost my subscription.

Thank you Sir!!!

So this weekend was eventful. Ended up having to work on my daughters car. She has an overheating problem with her jeep that is some how eluding me. We have replaced the radiator, now the thermostat and it is still overheating. The fan is moving but I have no idea what speed. So could be running a bit slow. Hoping maybe I just didn't get it burped well enough or my son didn't tighten something enough on the thermostat housing. Either way, it got in the way of shopping for this weeks food. So today I am going to be winging it to hit my macros. I have protein powder, rice, 2 MetRX Big 100 Protein bars Hamburger buns and almond butter. So I have the makings for a decent day with macros, and probably won't be a bad thing after the pounds of meat yesterday for me to have easily digested protein sources today.

I will be hitting up chest and biceps this afternoon, Looking forward to the session. I should get one hell of a pump today and hopefully have a great session!
I love Fogo, actually we have a few Brazilian Steakhouses around here that are all good, but Fogo is definitely the best. Ha, my problem there is I always over eat.... I tell my wife that’s ok, that’s what they are here for.😜
 
Does FOGO have rodizio? when we were down in Vegas I really wanted to take my wife down to this Rodizio / Argentinian place but yet... I was also worried about waaaay overeating when they just keep bringing you meat all night lol
 
fuckin' A dude!!
any idea what weight you expect to be at next comp? it's sorta crazy to see you all white after the last couple comps getting your bronze on lol
Honestly, no, my guess would be checking in somewhere around 193-195 and about 2% leaner, so basically just replacing some extra fat with some extra muscle. I am not expecting a huge amount of growth from where I am at now. I am not going to be pushing gear much harder than we did this year because I am over 50 and health is a big priority now. If I can start to afford some IGF Lr3 along the way maybe a little more extra gains. Just need more clients so I can do that while also sending half to savings or paying off debt.
I love Fogo, actually we have a few Brazilian Steakhouses around here that are all good, but Fogo is definitely the best. Ha, my problem there is I always over eat.... I tell my wife that’s ok, that’s what they are here for.😜
It's not a problem at all, it is the whole purpose of going there! I do recommend taking your own kosher salt dispenser while there. It makes the difference compared to regular table salt. You can also ask them to bring you a little side bowl of the salt crystals they use to cook with but you have to use sparingly because they are bigger rocks and provide more of a burst of salt flavor when it hasn't been cooked down with the food. Unfortunately, they have Americanized a lot of them to the point they do not use the amount of salt typically used in Brazilian BBQ where it is the predominant spice used.
Does FOGO have rodizio? when we were down in Vegas I really wanted to take my wife down to this Rodizio / Argentinian place but yet... I was also worried about waaaay overeating when they just keep bringing you meat all night lol
Yes Sir, that is what almost everything there is cooked on. I typically change my feeding around a trip to a Brazilian Steakhouse or Churrascaria to be exact. Yesterday I ate slightly less before the big meal to allow for the massive influx of calories and protein coming in later in the day, and then did not have a 5th meal because I easily consumed 3500-5000 calories at Fogo last night with the lemonade, fats from the meats, and the chimichurri sauce which is F-ing amazing on the meat! Plus I am guessing around 250g of protein in that one meal.

It's not like Fogo is something I can afford to do all that often so I don't sweat it when I have been given the okay to have that free meal. Plus, lets be honest, know why I am digesting and using all of that food, I have already had 4 solid movements today, so you know a good bit is just coming out of me rather than being digested completely and used in the body. It is a a machine with excellent self regulation, so it knows what to do with the food if too much if it is really just for one meal. I would guess I am closer to 195 now than 200.
 
Yes Sir, that is what almost everything there is cooked on. I typically change my feeding around a trip to a Brazilian Steakhouse or Churrascaria to be exact. Yesterday I ate slightly less before the big meal to allow for the massive influx of calories and protein coming in later in the day, and then did not have a 5th meal because I easily consumed 3500-5000 calories at Fogo last night with the lemonade, fats from the meats, and the chimichurri sauce which is F-ing amazing on the meat! Plus I am guessing around 250g of protein in that one meal.

makes sense to me. I loved hearing Layne talk about this approach with weekend feeds at events like a friends wedding or something. to paraphrase my take away was that if he expected to throw down an extra 3,000 calories that day, he'd remove those 3,000 from the prior or upcoming week. I thought it was cool to hear him talk about that because I don't really recall him ever having a good thing to say about fasting or TRF, but he did definitely touch on smart dynamic dieting around events.
 
By the way on the subject of Churrascaria's, I have said this before but for the best experience, turn down anything that you didn't specifically go there looking forward to unless it is a surprise. Also if you can, always get the outside cut. The big flavor burst is from the mix of the char on the meat, and the salt. No outside cut, no char, and hardly any salt... Don't be afraid to tell the Gaucho that you don't want what he has because there is no outside cut and then ask them to have the cooks prepare some for you the way you want it cooked. They will go back and order it up even put extra salt on there if you ask. I always go with a medium rare outside cut. I don't mess with the cheap "I hope they fill up on these foods" like bacon wrapped chicken, or sausage or any of that. I am there for expensive cuts of meat I can't always get elsewhere, AND I want a ton of that meat. I pretty much stick to Top Sirloin, Picanha, Filet, and any sort of lamb they have. Not suggesting you do that, but only get what you really want, and if a special item like lamb ask early in the meal they tend to try to hold that stuff back unless someone else asked for it. Anyway, just a few tips from a Churrascaria Pro! Take them or leave them but I assure you it will improve the quality of the visit to be picky about what you eat and making sure it is cooked to the doneness you prefer.
 
By the way on the subject of Churrascaria's, I have said this before but for the best experience, turn down anything that you didn't specifically go there looking forward to unless it is a surprise. Also if you can, always get the outside cut. The big flavor burst is from the mix of the char on the meat, and the salt. No outside cut, no char, and hardly any salt... Don't be afraid to tell the Gaucho that you don't want what he has because there is no outside cut and then ask them to have the cooks prepare some for you the way you want it cooked. They will go back and order it up even put extra salt on there if you ask. I always go with a medium rare outside cut. I don't mess with the cheap "I hope they fill up on these foods" like bacon wrapped chicken, or sausage or any of that. I am there for expensive cuts of meat I can't always get elsewhere, AND I want a ton of that meat. I pretty much stick to Top Sirloin, Picanha, Filet, and any sort of lamb they have. Not suggesting you do that, but only get what you really want, and if a special item like lamb ask early in the meal they tend to try to hold that stuff back unless someone else asked for it. Anyway, just a few tips from a Churrascaria Pro! Take them or leave them but I assure you it will improve the quality of the visit to be picky about what you eat and making sure it is cooked to the doneness you prefer.

my spirit animal right here.
The only thing I'd add from my own preference when it comes to perfect red meat is I do like mine very rare. However the difficulty in making a great steak rare is also getting that perfect char on the outside without overcooking the inside. It's legit hard, I've grown to realize many standard stoves/burners etc and even my egg style grill struggle to get hot enough to char it as much as I like without overcooking.
 
All this talk about grilled meats, making me hungry! We've got one of these places not terribly far from me - a Fogo de Chao - so maybe that'll be a nice big 'ol post-WO meal one of these days soon!
 
All this talk about grilled meats, making me hungry! We've got one of these places not terribly far from me - a Fogo de Chao - so maybe that'll be a nice big 'ol post-WO meal one of these days soon!
You won’t regret it, just count on adding a lot of calories, but it will be worth it.😎👍
 
my spirit animal right here.
The only thing I'd add from my own preference when it comes to perfect red meat is I do like mine very rare. However the difficulty in making a great steak rare is also getting that perfect char on the outside without overcooking the inside. It's legit hard, I've grown to realize many standard stoves/burners etc and even my egg style grill struggle to get hot enough to char it as much as I like without overcooking.
Right, not easy to do. I definitely got some seared rare while there in my quest for medium rare. Often I tell them somewhere between rare and medium rare. Rareness being good also depends on the cut, and quality of the meat. Otherwise it can be a bit chewy.
All this talk about grilled meats, making me hungry! We've got one of these places not terribly far from me - a Fogo de Chao - so maybe that'll be a nice big 'ol post-WO meal one of these days soon!
it is definitely something awesome but to give you an idea of expense, it was just me and my son, and we both got the Brazilian Lemonade, no alcohol, and the all you can eat. With tip I walked out with a $178 dollar bill. Dessert, or alcohol would have driven that up dramatically.
You won’t regret it, just count on adding a lot of calories, but it will be worth it.😎👍
Oh yeah, if you eat enough to justify being there, you are going to likely hit a minimum of 2500 calories. These are not all lean cuts of meat, and if you like the chimichurri sauce it is in an oil base so additional fats on top of the meat, but oh man is it worth it.

I am looking much tighter this morning weighing in at 197.2lbs. Full as a tick too. Last night I was not able to get to the gym. I had to shop, then cook, and honestly my gut was a little unhappy with the massive amount of meat I assaulted it with Sunday. I was also just exhausted from the weekend of messing with the cars and everything else out in the hot sun. I now, not ideal but I made a judgement call based on priorities. I prioritize nutrition first, enough rest second and training third. Not that they aren't all top priorities but if I need to get my nutrition set up so I am not off plan for days it is a priority. If I need rest badly, I am going to take it. No reason to dig a bigger hole with lower quality training. Then of course training is right up there, and it is something I love so it is more of an if I have to miss to get one or both of the other 2 shored up then I will. The blood sugar jumping up made me get super lethargic a few times and made me just need to sleep, and there really isn't much you can do when having a reaction like that so training has been later in the evening then that messes with me falling asleep.

Going to try to get to the gym during lunch and hit chest and biceps then see if I can muster for legs after work. If not that is okay, it will not hurt me to just pick up where I left off. I am not that tied to the day of the week I do things on as long as they get done. If I push everything back it just has me finishing the weeks workouts one day later but still starting the next one on time. Unfortunately we are down by 2 this week with others traveling for work so getting out of here for lunch will be tricky. I have worked through several of my lunches the last two weeks.

By the way, the changes to my macros to assist with blood glucose levels and the increase in BP that came with the increase in carbs / calories was dropping about 85 grams of carbs and bumping fats by about 40 grams with some incidental changes in protein just from the food changes. Pretty much the same calories. I like it better, even lower food volume, and extra fats always improve taste! We increased almond butter, added some peanut butter, and also avocado. All things I enjoy. I feel like I am handling the high carbs a bit better with the additional fats.

I will test fasted blood sugar again tomorrow morning and see if we are heading in the right direction. I did test it an hour may an hour and a half after a low fat carb meal yesterday, while I was feeling a bit lethargic. I was surprised it was only 96 after a meal of 75g of carbs. So it seems like it may be working. We also added in 500mg of berberine with meal 1-2 and 4. so I am sure that is helping.
 
Right, not easy to do. I definitely got some seared rare while there in my quest for medium rare. Often I tell them somewhere between rare and medium rare. Rareness being good also depends on the cut, and quality of the meat. Otherwise it can be a bit chewy.

it is definitely something awesome but to give you an idea of expense, it was just me and my son, and we both got the Brazilian Lemonade, no alcohol, and the all you can eat. With tip I walked out with a $178 dollar bill. Dessert, or alcohol would have driven that up dramatically.

Oh yeah, if you eat enough to justify being there, you are going to likely hit a minimum of 2500 calories. These are not all lean cuts of meat, and if you like the chimichurri sauce it is in an oil base so additional fats on top of the meat, but oh man is it worth it.

I am looking much tighter this morning weighing in at 197.2lbs. Full as a tick too. Last night I was not able to get to the gym. I had to shop, then cook, and honestly my gut was a little unhappy with the massive amount of meat I assaulted it with Sunday. I was also just exhausted from the weekend of messing with the cars and everything else out in the hot sun. I now, not ideal but I made a judgement call based on priorities. I prioritize nutrition first, enough rest second and training third. Not that they aren't all top priorities but if I need to get my nutrition set up so I am not off plan for days it is a priority. If I need rest badly, I am going to take it. No reason to dig a bigger hole with lower quality training. Then of course training is right up there, and it is something I love so it is more of an if I have to miss to get one or both of the other 2 shored up then I will. The blood sugar jumping up made me get super lethargic a few times and made me just need to sleep, and there really isn't much you can do when having a reaction like that so training has been later in the evening then that messes with me falling asleep.

Going to try to get to the gym during lunch and hit chest and biceps then see if I can muster for legs after work. If not that is okay, it will not hurt me to just pick up where I left off. I am not that tied to the day of the week I do things on as long as they get done. If I push everything back it just has me finishing the weeks workouts one day later but still starting the next one on time. Unfortunately we are down by 2 this week with others traveling for work so getting out of here for lunch will be tricky. I have worked through several of my lunches the last two weeks.

By the way, the changes to my macros to assist with blood glucose levels and the increase in BP that came with the increase in carbs / calories was dropping about 85 grams of carbs and bumping fats by about 40 grams with some incidental changes in protein just from the food changes. Pretty much the same calories. I like it better, even lower food volume, and extra fats always improve taste! We increased almond butter, added some peanut butter, and also avocado. All things I enjoy. I feel like I am handling the high carbs a bit better with the additional fats.

I will test fasted blood sugar again tomorrow morning and see if we are heading in the right direction. I did test it an hour may an hour and a half after a low fat carb meal yesterday, while I was feeling a bit lethargic. I was surprised it was only 96 after a meal of 75g of carbs. So it seems like it may be working. We also added in 500mg of berberine with meal 1-2 and 4. so I am sure that is helping.
When you increase your carbs, like you have been, do you take Berberine or any supplements to assist with blood glucose or do you mainly adjust fats and carbs, like you just said, or both?
 
By the way, the changes to my macros to assist with blood glucose levels and the increase in BP that came with the increase in carbs / calories was dropping about 85 grams of carbs and bumping fats by about 40 grams with some incidental changes in protein just from the food changes. Pretty much the same calories. I like it better, even lower food volume, and extra fats always improve taste! We increased almond butter, added some peanut butter, and also avocado. All things I enjoy. I feel like I am handling the high carbs a bit better with the additional fats.

I really love those fat sources. Even though we do not get good avocados up here in Washington (and I'm reminded of how bad ours are everytime I go to AZ, lol), I can throw a 1/4 or 1/2 avocado in just about any dish and enjoy it. Since I know you are as good at combining weird foods as me, last night:

Ground elk with avocado and hot sauce
then sprinkled about a 1/2 serving of those blue diamond sweet thai chili almonds on top for some added crunch. I got a shitton of meat protein, I got my fats, and I enjoyed a nice crunch without having my staple tortilla chips 😅
 
When you increase your carbs, like you have been, do you take Berberine or any supplements to assist with blood glucose or do you mainly adjust fats and carbs, like you just said, or both?
We didn't add anything at first because with the rebound we thought that I might just be so ready for the influx of carbs we didn't exactly expect this. Last year when we got to about the same carbs, and fats I had the same issue, and we just did the carb lowering and fat adjustment. This time we decided since it was so soon into the process to not only lower carbs and increase fats, but add in the berberine at 500mg for the 3 meals. I definitely don't mind because there are so many health benefits from berberine besides just improving insulin sensitivity. Hopefully this does the trick for us.
I really love those fat sources. Even though we do not get good avocados up here in Washington (and I'm reminded of how bad ours are everytime I go to AZ, lol), I can throw a 1/4 or 1/2 avocado in just about any dish and enjoy it. Since I know you are as good at combining weird foods as me, last night:

Ground elk with avocado and hot sauce
then sprinkled about a 1/2 serving of those blue diamond sweet thai chili almonds on top for some added crunch. I got a shitton of meat protein, I got my fats, and I enjoyed a nice crunch without having my staple tortilla chips 😅
Agreed, very enjoyable fat sources. That meal sounds pretty fire, I often add almonds to things when i want a crunch. Water chestnut is also a nice one you can add into things for a low calorie crunch. Not really a fat source but beats tortilla chips in a dish by a mile on macros.
 
Thanks, yeah I am pretty excited as well. I am looking pretty HUGE at the moment. Just a little bloated. I had my free meal at Fogo with my son yesterday. We tore it up. I am guessing 2-2.5lbsw of meat, 4 Brazilian Lemonades - it is Lemon / Lime Juice and sweet cream mixed together (Free Refills) so I am guessing at 4, they just kept waling buy and topping it off. Then I had a piece of Tres Leches for dessert. I woke up just under 200 lbs, vascular and full as a tick. Obviously not as detailed, and my gut is gonna be full most of the day today. or I will spnd a good amount of time on the throne. Probably both!

Thanks Kat, really appreciate it and love seeing you back on here. Are you updating your log again? If so I must have lost my subscription.

Thank you Sir!!!

So this weekend was eventful. Ended up having to work on my daughters car. She has an overheating problem with her jeep that is some how eluding me. We have replaced the radiator, now the thermostat and it is still overheating. The fan is moving but I have no idea what speed. So could be running a bit slow. Hoping maybe I just didn't get it burped well enough or my son didn't tighten something enough on the thermostat housing. Either way, it got in the way of shopping for this weeks food. So today I am going to be winging it to hit my macros. I have protein powder, rice, 2 MetRX Big 100 Protein bars Hamburger buns and almond butter. So I have the makings for a decent day with macros, and probably won't be a bad thing after the pounds of meat yesterday for me to have easily digested protein sources today.

I will be hitting up chest and biceps this afternoon, Looking forward to the session. I should get one hell of a pump today and hopefully have a great session!

Nah, not updating my log. I may at some point but just trying to better keeping up with haha

By the way on the subject of Churrascaria's, I have said this before but for the best experience, turn down anything that you didn't specifically go there looking forward to unless it is a surprise. Also if you can, always get the outside cut. The big flavor burst is from the mix of the char on the meat, and the salt. No outside cut, no char, and hardly any salt... Don't be afraid to tell the Gaucho that you don't want what he has because there is no outside cut and then ask them to have the cooks prepare some for you the way you want it cooked. They will go back and order it up even put extra salt on there if you ask. I always go with a medium rare outside cut. I don't mess with the cheap "I hope they fill up on these foods" like bacon wrapped chicken, or sausage or any of that. I am there for expensive cuts of meat I can't always get elsewhere, AND I want a ton of that meat. I pretty much stick to Top Sirloin, Picanha, Filet, and any sort of lamb they have. Not suggesting you do that, but only get what you really want, and if a special item like lamb ask early in the meal they tend to try to hold that stuff back unless someone else asked for it. Anyway, just a few tips from a Churrascaria Pro! Take them or leave them but I assure you it will improve the quality of the visit to be picky about what you eat and making sure it is cooked to the doneness you prefer.

This is my approach too but I still feel like I can’t eat near enough to make it worth it! Haha I do love chimichurri! I make it at home! It’s a good marinade too!
 
Well, I am definitely happy to have you back on here. I know I have missed your presence!
 
sadly it's the tortilla chips that keep my wife and I out of mexican restaurants most of the time! 😅
Oh, I love them, especially Chili's or Gringos chips. I have just learned to abstain from them. I prefer Mexican food over many others and the chips are just an appetizer and you don't miss them if they aren't on your table. Just say no thanks when they show up. Sometimes i ask for celery or something to dip into the salsa if I need that crunch but now even on free meals i just automatically limit the chips. I know I will absolutely be bloated if i have too many so often I will pull 10 curved chips out and those are mine. I douse each of them with as much salsa as they can hold and when they are done I am done with chips.

You can also limit yourself by just asking for half a bowl of chips too. Also when I am done and my wife says she is I immediately crush the chips left in the bowl or pile trash on them so I am not tempted to keep snacking on them throughout the meal. Makes it much easier to control how may chips I have. .
 
Well, I am definitely happy to have you back on here. I know I have missed your presence!

Awe thanks! I have definitely missed having my AM family!! As they sadly keep passing on.
 
Awe thanks! I have definitely missed having my AM family!! As they sadly keep passing on.
Yeah, it has been a rough few years with Puccah, The Big T, and then Rocket passing. Makes you not want to be gone from here too long or you might miss time with people you always assumed you could hop back on here and be right back in touch with. Well I am sure I speak for all of your friends on here that you are missed when you are not around. You are still an integral part of the AM family!!!
 
Yeah, it has been a rough few years with Puccah, The Big T, and then Rocket passing. Makes you not want to be gone from here too long or you might miss time with people you always assumed you could hop back on here and be right back in touch with. Well I am sure I speak for all of your friends on here that you are missed when you are not around. You are still an integral part of the AM family!!!

before a group of us came over to AM from BBD (dapack and I are the only ones left I think) I had a group email with a couple of the guys from the other group and we all stayed in touch for few years long after the forum was dead. still sharing brief summaries of our training journies (condensed into monthly notes basically lol) but over time that faded. you definitely feel a disconnect even from your webfriends.

funny thing is those guys were super scary to me back then with all their steroid drugs 😅 😅

 
Yeah, it has been a rough few years with Puccah, The Big T, and then Rocket passing. Makes you not want to be gone from here too long or you might miss time with people you always assumed you could hop back on here and be right back in touch with. Well I am sure I speak for all of your friends on here that you are missed when you are not around. You are still an integral part of the AM family!!!

Did not realize Puccah had passed. Must’ve been while I was MIA. Was it a long time ago?
 
before a group of us came over to AM from BBD (dapack and I are the only ones left I think) I had a group email with a couple of the guys from the other group and we all stayed in touch for few years long after the forum was dead. still sharing brief summaries of our training journies (condensed into monthly notes basically lol) but over time that faded. you definitely feel a disconnect even from your webfriends.

funny thing is those guys were super scary to me back then with all their steroid drugs 😅 😅

Right, back then you were like big scary guys, now you are like... "Wow these guys are nice and knowledgeable!"
Did not realize Puccah had passed. Must’ve been while I was MIA. Was it a long time ago?
I think it was about 4 years ago now, @love2liftkat could tell you exactly I am sure. I try not to remember the dates of peoples deaths intentionally. I feel it is better to celebrate their lives and memories, than memorialize the date of their death which is not something I see as healthy, at least for me.

Well, the adjustments brought my fasting blood glucose back down to 81 which is awesome. Still confused with the elevation in my BP currently with no gear other than a TRT dose which just started back up Sunday at 30mgs EOD for 115mg a week right now. Using slin pins to get an accurate dose. I picked up vaping nicotine again during the end of prep because I was dying of no energy. So I think it may have built up as I started vaping more. So I am planning on quitting after today. See if that drops everything back down a bit. I am absolutely sure I will get some drop but not sure how far. Right now I am hovering about 10 points higher top and bottom than I want to be. Especially with out being on any gear.

I am heavily considering changing goals to just Classic Physique. Less need for high doses of gear, and less need for extremely aggressive bulking. I feel like that might actually make life at home easier for the wife and kids. Less extremes means I am going to be less extreme. Also, I don't think I want to stretch my skin back out too much this year. I feel if I can keep my waist smaller all year I may be able to tighten up just a bit. Especially if I can afford little HGH to help with collagen.

My only concern is I don't really have much wiggle room here. I could probably gain 1-2lbs of muscle and drop 4-5 more lbs of body fat for my stage weight, and come in pretty damn stellar in classic physique. I am pretty sure I have it to lose based on my back and lower pecs at the time of my contest. I would have to check in dry and depleted AF but it could be done and I could blow up a bit overnight with a refeed. I would like for you all to offer some opinions and feedback here. I have mentioned it to coach, and I know he prefers I go into Master's BB for sure, it is a bit more prestigious than Classic to him, but I am just not sure if that is what will be best for me, my health, and my family.

I can tell with me starting back up with the intensity and go straight to work attitude that the wife is not quite recovered from the stress of prep. She is a little stressed already, and seems a little flustered still. I think she thought things would be a little more relaxed for a little while because I told her coach said he would allow me more free meals during the first couple of months during rebounding. So once we kicked back into gear, and I had the same intensity I had during prep to get things done, trying to be dead on with the program, and nutrition. Then getting frustrated with myself and the situation when I am failing to do so, she wasn't ready for. I was getting pretty frustrated with missing a couple of sessions, and having to wing it on my food a couple of days to match macros when I was not able to get to the store due to trying to fix Sage's car. Her response to that was a bit amplified, and I could see her stressing that this might be what it will be like all year. Which obviously it wouldn't I am just dealing with a lot of things right now and am a bit overwhelmed. Trying to make things work when I feel i am a little over my head with the car repairs since i can't seem to figure out why Sage's car keeps overheating and don't have the cash on hand to go to a mechanic. On top of all of that the carb comas I was being put into with the blood sugar issues were making me pretty much pass out and sometimes at my desk, or have to nap at lunch when I wanted to be doing my cardio, or passing out after my pre-workout meal then being hours behind schedule and not getting to sleep at night from being amped up from the workouts. It has just been a lot to deal with all at once.

We had a talk last night and she is still 100% supportive of whatever I want to do, but I can tell she wants things to be a little less extreme, at least right now. I am not being mean to anyone, the frustration with the situation really turns more inward toward myself for feeling like I am failing in this situation than anyone else, so I put a lot of pressure on myself and that is a lot to deal with. She is already an anxious person and the returned intensity and focus on one thing seems to be a lot for her right now. As much as I think I would do well in Masters BB, I am definitely willing to focus on Classic to keep things less extreme this year, plus staying pretty lean all year would definitely help me get a following, and attract clients. People love to see a well built lean guy, and want to work with people who seem to stay in good condition year round. I honestly feel i could maintain around this level of body fat, and just let the training, a little bit of food, and the gear bring the new muscle that is needed without getting too much farther out of shape. In the end I also realize I need to adjust my behavior at home. A lot of that will be resolved once we have 3 working cars again, and time is not being spent on the jeep, or the extra running around and errands required being down one car.

I know this is all super personal information but the reality is this log is about the life of a masters bodybuilder / competitor, not just about body building, and competition. These are the things you have to weigh out and make decisions on if you are also going to be a good human. It isn't as easy as just training hard, following the plan and executing to have a successful life while pursuing this endeavor.
 
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Right, back then you were like big scary guys, now you are like... "Wow these guys are nice and knowledgeable!"

I think it was about 4 years ago now, @love2liftkat could tell you exactly I am sure. I try not to remember the dates of peoples deaths intentionally. I feel it is better to celebrate their lives and memories, than memorialize the date of their death which is not something I see as healthy, at least for me.

Well, the adjustments brought my fasting blood glucose back down to 81 which is awesome. Still confused with the elevation in my BP currently with no gear other than a TRT dose which just started back up Sunday at 30mgs EOD for 115mg a week right now. Using slin pins to get an accurate dose. I picked up vaping nicotine again during the end of prep because I was dying of no energy. So I think it may have built up as I started vaping more. So I am planning on quitting after today. See if that drops everything back down a bit. I am absolutely sure I will get some drop but not sure how far. Right now I am hovering about 10 points higher top and bottom than I want to be. Especially with out being on any gear.

I am heavily considering changing goals to just Classic Physique. Less need for high doses of gear, and less need for extremely aggressive bulking. I feel like that might actually make life at home easier for the wife and kids. Less extremes means I am going to be less extreme. Also, I don't think I want to stretch my skin back out too much this year. I feel if I can keep my waist smaller all year I may be able to tighten up just a bit. Especially if I can afford little HGH to help with collagen.

My only concern is I don't really have much wiggle room here. I could probably gain 1-2lbs of muscle and drop 4-5 more lbs of body fat for my stage weight, and come in pretty damn stellar in classic physique. I am pretty sure I have it to lose based on my back and lower pecs at the time of my contest. I would have to check in dry and depleted AF but it could be done and I could blow up a bit overnight with a refeed. I would like for you all to offer some opinions and feedback here. I have mentioned it to coach, and I know he prefers I go into Master's BB for sure, it is a bit more prestigious than Classic to him, but I am just not sure if that is what will be best for me, my health, and my family.

I can tell with me starting back up with the intensity and go straight to work attitude that the wife is not quite recovered from the stress of prep. She is a little stressed already, and seems a little flustered still. I think she thought things would be a little more relaxed for a little while because I told her coach said he would allow me more free meals during the first couple of months during rebounding. So once we kicked back into gear, and I had the same intensity I had during prep to get things done, trying to be dead on with the program, and nutrition. Then getting frustrated with myself and the situation when I am failing to do so, she wasn't ready for. I was getting pretty frustrated with missing a couple of sessions, and having to wing it on my food a couple of days to match macros when I was not able to get to the store due to trying to fix Sage's car. Her response to that was a bit amplified, and I could see her stressing that this might be what it will be like all year. Which obviously it wouldn't I am just dealing with a lot of things right now and am a bit overwhelmed. Trying to make things work when I feel i am a little over my head with the car repairs since i can't seem to figure out why Sage's car keeps overheating and don't have the cash on hand to go to a mechanic. On top of all of that the carb comas I was being out into were making me pass out and sometimes at my desk, or have to nap at lunch when i wanted to be doing my cardio, or passing out after my preworkout meal then being hours behnd schedule and not getting to sleep at night from being amped up from the workouts.

We had a talk last night and she is still 100% supportive of whatever I want to do, but I can tell she wants things to be a little less extreme, at least right now. She is already an anxious person and the returned intensity and focus on one thing seems to be a lot for her right now. As much as I think I would do well in Masters BB, I am definitely willing to focus on Classic to keep things less extreme this year, plus staying pretty lean all year would definitely help me get a following, and attract clients. People love to see a well built lean guy, and want to work with people who seem to stay in good condition year round. I honestly feel i could maintain around this level of body fat, and just let the training, a little bit of food, and the gear bring the new muscle that is needed without getting too much farther out of shape.

I know this is all super personal information but the reality is this log is about the life of a masters bodybuilder / competitor, not just about body building, and competition. These are the things you have to weigh out and make decisions on if you are also going to be a good human. It isn't as easy as just training hard, following the plan and executing to have a successful life while pursuing this endeavor.
Well I know we all feel family is first, and just reading about your concerns of the intensity of going through it and the stress and strain it puts on you, your health, your wife and family, it sounds like your heart or gut is telling maybe pulling back to classic is best for all. And if that is the case, I say follow your gut feeling on this. Man you have really already accomplished so much and proven you can compete with the big boys on the big stage, and competing at that level and building the physique you have after 50 is a huge accomplishment to be proud of. There’s no doubt you could slide into classic pretty easily and be a top competitor pretty quick. The top guys in physique seem to all have good symmetry and balance, and you have that symmetry but with more muscle (like Frank Zane), so I think you would clean up in classic, but follow that gut feeling.💪🏆
 
I picked up vaping nicotine again during the end of prep because I was dying of no energy.
my buddy recently switched vapes because he felt like he's had a cough non stop since he picked his vape back up. I'm not sure, it seems like he has sorta been sick since he got COVID (he was the very last person I ever know to get it for the first time, and had the most shots in him, he seemed to get the sickest and just never recover. I do see the interest in vaping over chew or zyn since it's better for the gums but I worry about the inhalation. Gum might be an OK option as well since you can go very low like 2mg if you truly need it, but fuk it's expensive.

I can tell with me starting back up with the intensity and go straight to work attitude that the wife is not quite recovered from the stress of prep. She is a little stressed already, and seems a little flustered still. I think she thought things would be a little more relaxed for a little while because I told her coach said he would allow me more free meals during the first couple of months during rebounding.

We had a talk last night and she is still 100% supportive of whatever I want to do, but I can tell she wants things to be a little less extreme, at least right now. I am not being mean to anyone,

These things all make sense to me. I have had these same concerns in my house if I was to go full bore into something. I can generally justfy any and all lifting for health pretty easily. I can justify 90% of clean eating pretty easily with the occasional date (and can pick healthy meals at a restaurant) but the 110% required is harder. Even my golf endeavors this year petered out as I focused more on the cut and house/family unfortunately. When you are going competitive or pro in any sport, it's a full time job. sometimes more than 40hrs a week, that has a toll.

Part of me would really like to see my wife make a run at the over 50 female classes (probably bikini) because I know if she committed to that, then I could easily do the same. Going it alone though would be hard on her.

I know this is all super personal information but the reality is this log is about the life of a masters bodybuilder / competitor, not just about body building, and competition.

it seems perfectly appropriate. one of the reasons I actually like the Generation Iron movies (watched Gen Iron 4 recently during cardio). It does break down the reality of the sport to a human level, how hard it is to do what you are doing. Gen Iron 4 (Natty4Life) even gets into the health aspect, something my wife and I talk about, how even if you are natty you are still challenging your health during those final weeks of prep.
 
Well I know we all feel family is first, and just reading about your concerns of the intensity of going through it and the stress and strain it puts on you, your health, your wife and family, it sounds like your heart or gut is telling maybe pulling back to classic is best for all. And if that is the case, I say follow your gut feeling on this. Man you have really already accomplished so much and proven you can compete with the big boys on the big stage, and competing at that level and building the physique you have after 50 is a huge accomplishment to be proud of. There’s no doubt you could slide into classic pretty easily and be a top competitor pretty quick. The top guys in physique seem to all have good symmetry and balance, and you have that symmetry but with more muscle (like Frank Zane), so I think you would clean up in classic, but follow that gut feeling.💪🏆
Yes Sir, this is mostly a gut feeling. Plus anyone in my last log knows this is not a new consideration. I was already thinking of this when I started that log hence the Classic Kleen title of the thread. Plus I discussed it during and even before prep. So it has been on my mind, but now it is really a pressing thought. As you said, I should probably go with my gut. I was listening to an EXCELLENT book on Audible called "Relentless - From Good to Great, to Unstoppable!" recently from a top trainer of athletes, Michael Jordan, Coby, Dwight Howard and the like. One of the key factors it stressed was to go with your gut instinct. Don't second guess and overanalyze. Your gut feeling is almost always correct, and overanalyzing just creates doubt, and causes you to waste time questioning yourself.
my buddy recently switched vapes because he felt like he's had a cough non stop since he picked his vape back up. I'm not sure, it seems like he has sorta been sick since he got COVID (he was the very last person I ever know to get it for the first time, and had the most shots in him, he seemed to get the sickest and just never recover. I do see the interest in vaping over chew or zyn since it's better for the gums but I worry about the inhalation. Gum might be an OK option as well since you can go very low like 2mg if you truly need it, but fuk it's expensive.





These things all make sense to me. I have had these same concerns in my house if I was to go full bore into something. I can generally justfy any and all lifting for health pretty easily. I can justify 90% of clean eating pretty easily with the occasional date (and can pick healthy meals at a restaurant) but the 110% required is harder. Even my golf endeavors this year petered out as I focused more on the cut and house/family unfortunately. When you are going competitive or pro in any sport, it's a full time job. sometimes more than 40hrs a week, that has a toll.

Part of me would really like to see my wife make a run at the over 50 female classes (probably bikini) because I know if she committed to that, then I could easily do the same. Going it alone though would be hard on her.



it seems perfectly appropriate. one of the reasons I actually like the Generation Iron movies (watched Gen Iron 4 recently during cardio). It does break down the reality of the sport to a human level, how hard it is to do what you are doing. Gen Iron 4 (Natty4Life) even gets into the health aspect, something my wife and I talk about, how even if you are natty you are still challenging your health during those final weeks of prep.
Yeah, I am kind of an all or nothing kind of guy. I wish I was a little more moderate in that aspect, but if I want to improve the situation then i need to just quit it all together. If I try to manage it, I will inevitably be right back to my regular level of use with it after a short period of success. Knowing my strengths and weaknesses, I have to try to use them to my benefit since I am who I am. I just need to be who I am better and more efficiently. Using my strengths to move forward, and recognizing my weaknesses and figure out how to work through them.

I think that would be super cool if you both got the bug to do even just one if it is something you want to do. No reason to live with regret of not trying something you would like to pursue. Even if it was just you by yourself. I mean my wife is not even close to being into fitness. Her diet is not good or healthy, and it is an argument that is moot until she wants to do something about it. if I can manage to do this, then you who have been driven his whole life in a way that I am not wired can definitely do it once you lock it in as something you want to do. If that indeed is the case, I would have full confidence in you that you would be able to pull it off.

Thanks, and I agree. Far too many competitors gloss over the hard stuff, and post up all about the glory and the hard training and discipline, and how resilient they are for sticking to the program. However, not so much the rest of the challenges faced which to me are some of the harder things to accomplish. Like having any sort of life balance, not being an ass during the tough times, prioritizing family over your goals when necessary, and finding ways to make it all work in the end.
 
I am heavily considering changing goals to just Classic Physique

Can you sorta break down the difference for me? would it be in a lower weight class?

if I can manage to do this, then you who have been driven his whole life in a way that I am not wired can definitely do it once you lock it in as something you want to do. If that indeed is the case, I would have full confidence in you that you would be able to pull it off.

One of the greatest compliments my wife ever gave me was back when I bought the gym in 2018 and her kids said "are you guys really doing this? is Dustin really buying another business?" She said, "If he says he's going to do something, he does it, he always follows through". Such an awesome compliment that also filled me with a massive sense of accountability to maintain that impression I put on her. It may have in some ways led me to become less committal to some things because if I commit, I know I have to see it through...

Thanks, and I agree. Far too many competitors gloss over the hard stuff, and post up all about the glory and the hard training and discipline, and how resilient they are for sticking to the program. However, not so much the rest of the challenges faced which to me are some of the harder things to accomplish. Like having any sort of life balance, not being an ass during the tough times, prioritizing family over your goals when necessary, and finding ways to make it all work in the end.

It's been a great log and journey to follow!! I think a LOT about your extra cardio struggles and solutions, finding walks throughout the day, 2 a days, splitting your sessions between a.m. and p.m., the food, even digestive etc. The only thing that I suspect is that the hard parts for you have been even harder than what we read, your grit has been awesome! I can only imagine the emotional roller coasters, trusting your coach in those final weeks when energy and cognitive levels are feeling sacked!
 
Another thing I am having to fight with right now is I am not sure if I can continue with having a coach right now. I really like my coach, and he definitely knows his stuff. However, the money situation has gotten even tighter, and I, and my family could really use that extra $200 for paying down the debt accrued over the year of getting ready for these shows and with Sage's car being on the verge of needing a mechanic things are really feeling like they are closing in on me with my budget. My wife is also getting a bit worried, but of course is telling me to do what I feel I need to do to succeed in this endeavor. As much as I prefer being coached. I feel I may have to coach myself for the next 3-6 months to help us get caught back up. I know that I know my stuff, and can do it but I am also having that second guessing situation. If I do this I am 90% sure I will go back with him for my prep work, but I feel I know plenty to bring my self into the prep in a damn good position to bring in an excellent package with some assistance with prep, and mostly peaking.

Also, I am also such a loyal person, the thought of not working with him after a year of being with him almost feels like a betrayal even though I know it would probably be best for my current situation with my budget, which also has an effect on stress levels in the house. I don't like being this tight and find myself agitated over the current debt situation which means the family feels that agitation whether I take it out on them or internalize it. It is there and affects everything I am involved in.

Can you sorta break down the difference for me? would it be in a lower weight class?



One of the greatest compliments my wife ever gave me was back when I bought the gym in 2018 and her kids said "are you guys really doing this? is Dustin really buying another business?" She said, "If he says he's going to do something, he does it, he always follows through". Such an awesome compliment that also filled me with a massive sense of accountability to maintain that impression I put on her. It may have in some ways led me to become less committal to some things because if I commit, I know I have to see it through...



It's been a great log and journey to follow!! I think a LOT about your extra cardio struggles and solutions, finding walks throughout the day, 2 a days, splitting your sessions between a.m. and p.m., the food, even digestive etc. The only thing that I suspect is that the hard parts for you have been even harder than what we read, your grit has been awesome! I can only imagine the emotional roller coasters, trusting your coach in those final weeks when energy and cognitive levels are feeling sacked!
Yes, if i went with Classic it would be a 187lb weight cap at my height for weigh ins. i weighed in at 193 and change for my first show when we were prepping. I still had about 5lbs to lose in my estimation to be at about 5%. My lowest weight was a semi depleted fasted weigh in a week or so after the show when I hit 191.8, but I was not water cut or anything so 187 was attainable there, and I still had at least 3-4lbs to lose to get to my preferred stage condition. Here are the weight limits for Classic Physique Division B Over 5'7-5'10.

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That is a really great compliment, and shows your wife's belief in you. Which is awesome. It also brings along some pressure to keep her feeling that way. So I can understand all the sudden not wanting to commit to anyting you weren't sure about because you feel you have something to lose if you don't achieve the goal. That being said a person like you more than likely thrives under that level of pressure and it might just make you feel more alive. That is something you have to decide for yourself. if it a fear of not being able to do it that stops you then you are setting yourself up for regret. Anything we want avoided out of fear bring along some level of regret. I have had plenty of experience talking myself out of big commitments due to fear of failure or letting someone down. In the end it is me who got let down, not anyone else. So, now I am trying to push myself to do what I want but fear because if I have fear of failure then i know it is important enough for me to care about. Which means I will likely regret not putting the effort in sooner or later, which has proved to be the case more often than not.

Thanks for that, it has been ahard long road for me and sticking to it has been a challenge but the support of my wife and my AM family, plus not wanting to let any of you down has made me able to do it which has brought on more confidence to put more effort into other goals. Like working toward getting the coaching stuff going and truly putting in an effort to be successful at whatever level I am comfortable with. Challenging yourself and not giving up is the greatest confidence builder there is.
 
However, the money situation has gotten even tighter, and I, and my family could really use that extra $200 for paying down the debt accrued over the year of getting ready for these shows and with Sage's car being on the verge of needing a mechanic things are really feeling like they are closing in on me with my budget.

With the success in August, think you could find a sponsor???

hanks for that, it has been ahard long road for me and sticking to it has been a challenge but the support of my wife and my AM family, plus not wanting to let any of you down has made me able to do it which has brought on more confidence to put more effort into other goals.

it's been inspirational!
 
Yeah, it has been a rough few years with Puccah, The Big T, and then Rocket passing. Makes you not want to be gone from here too long or you might miss time with people you always assumed you could hop back on here and be right back in touch with. Well I am sure I speak for all of your friends on here that you are missed when you are not around. You are still an integral part of the AM family!!!

So very true! Thank you! I’ve needed the past few years to mentally clear my head and work through several things but I’m glad to be back on here!

Did not realize Puccah had passed. Must’ve been while I was MIA. Was it a long time ago?

It was almost 3 years ago. October 2021

Right, back then you were like big scary guys, now you are like... "Wow these guys are nice and knowledgeable!"

I think it was about 4 years ago now, @love2liftkat could tell you exactly I am sure. I try not to remember the dates of peoples deaths intentionally. I feel it is better to celebrate their lives and memories, than memorialize the date of their death which is not something I see as healthy, at least for me.

Well, the adjustments brought my fasting blood glucose back down to 81 which is awesome. Still confused with the elevation in my BP currently with no gear other than a TRT dose which just started back up Sunday at 30mgs EOD for 115mg a week right now. Using slin pins to get an accurate dose. I picked up vaping nicotine again during the end of prep because I was dying of no energy. So I think it may have built up as I started vaping more. So I am planning on quitting after today. See if that drops everything back down a bit. I am absolutely sure I will get some drop but not sure how far. Right now I am hovering about 10 points higher top and bottom than I want to be. Especially with out being on any gear.

I am heavily considering changing goals to just Classic Physique. Less need for high doses of gear, and less need for extremely aggressive bulking. I feel like that might actually make life at home easier for the wife and kids. Less extremes means I am going to be less extreme. Also, I don't think I want to stretch my skin back out too much this year. I feel if I can keep my waist smaller all year I may be able to tighten up just a bit. Especially if I can afford little HGH to help with collagen.

My only concern is I don't really have much wiggle room here. I could probably gain 1-2lbs of muscle and drop 4-5 more lbs of body fat for my stage weight, and come in pretty damn stellar in classic physique. I am pretty sure I have it to lose based on my back and lower pecs at the time of my contest. I would have to check in dry and depleted AF but it could be done and I could blow up a bit overnight with a refeed. I would like for you all to offer some opinions and feedback here. I have mentioned it to coach, and I know he prefers I go into Master's BB for sure, it is a bit more prestigious than Classic to him, but I am just not sure if that is what will be best for me, my health, and my family.

I can tell with me starting back up with the intensity and go straight to work attitude that the wife is not quite recovered from the stress of prep. She is a little stressed already, and seems a little flustered still. I think she thought things would be a little more relaxed for a little while because I told her coach said he would allow me more free meals during the first couple of months during rebounding. So once we kicked back into gear, and I had the same intensity I had during prep to get things done, trying to be dead on with the program, and nutrition. Then getting frustrated with myself and the situation when I am failing to do so, she wasn't ready for. I was getting pretty frustrated with missing a couple of sessions, and having to wing it on my food a couple of days to match macros when I was not able to get to the store due to trying to fix Sage's car. Her response to that was a bit amplified, and I could see her stressing that this might be what it will be like all year. Which obviously it wouldn't I am just dealing with a lot of things right now and am a bit overwhelmed. Trying to make things work when I feel i am a little over my head with the car repairs since i can't seem to figure out why Sage's car keeps overheating and don't have the cash on hand to go to a mechanic. On top of all of that the carb comas I was being put into with the blood sugar issues were making me pretty much pass out and sometimes at my desk, or have to nap at lunch when I wanted to be doing my cardio, or passing out after my pre-workout meal then being hours behind schedule and not getting to sleep at night from being amped up from the workouts. It has just been a lot to deal with all at once.

We had a talk last night and she is still 100% supportive of whatever I want to do, but I can tell she wants things to be a little less extreme, at least right now. I am not being mean to anyone, the frustration with the situation really turns more inward toward myself for feeling like I am failing in this situation than anyone else, so I put a lot of pressure on myself and that is a lot to deal with. She is already an anxious person and the returned intensity and focus on one thing seems to be a lot for her right now. As much as I think I would do well in Masters BB, I am definitely willing to focus on Classic to keep things less extreme this year, plus staying pretty lean all year would definitely help me get a following, and attract clients. People love to see a well built lean guy, and want to work with people who seem to stay in good condition year round. I honestly feel i could maintain around this level of body fat, and just let the training, a little bit of food, and the gear bring the new muscle that is needed without getting too much farther out of shape. In the end I also realize I need to adjust my behavior at home. A lot of that will be resolved once we have 3 working cars again, and time is not being spent on the jeep, or the extra running around and errands required being down one car.

I know this is all super personal information but the reality is this log is about the life of a masters bodybuilder / competitor, not just about body building, and competition. These are the things you have to weigh out and make decisions on if you are also going to be a good human. It isn't as easy as just training hard, following the plan and executing to have a successful life while pursuing this endeavor.

That’s great your body is responding well! I 100% agree with @gphagan1 (and pretty much what everyone said too) trust your gut! You know your situation and all life entails better than anyone could- including the stressors to come. You have accomplished SO MUCH this past year and made incredible sacrifices- if you feel like taking a year to stay lean, build your business, and still be able to keep the family/life balanced as well as competing -with a less intense prep/category…then I’d say go for it! You could always do the masters BB category the next year. That would also give your body some time to adapt/overcome the stress it’s been through already. Priming you for a successful prep the following year.

I know very little about cars but I know we’ve had to replace the sensor on my son’s truck as well as some hoses if you haven’t already done that. We ended up having to replace the radiator as well later but figured I’d mention it just in case it helps. lol

Edit- I also forgot to say- I am pretty sure your coach will completely understand if you have to pause on using him a bit just to catch back up a bit.


it's been inspirational!

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I’m sure that it can be a super tricky thing balancing all that out plus all of life’s just everyday stuff.

Seeing you post saying your gut is thinking classic, then I think you know that’s probably the route. I’d say either way man you are going to do great, you have already proven that. Sounds like it will make an improvement with balancing out home life and family time. Knowing what I know of ya that is a huge thing just like a lot of us family above all else.


Plus if you ever change your mind down the road you know you can do it and you will be in a better position.

Either way man you give 💯 and no doubt you will excel no matter the direction!
 
A lot to go back and review in more depth, but my quick responses generally would be:

1. If you can't cover the expense in a way that is longer term benefit for you/your family, talk to your coach about the situation and explain it's only a pause. I'm sure he'll understand hardship. And as you mentioned, if/when you're getting the competition itch again, bring him in specifically for prep only.
2. Classic: I'm actually interested in others opinions on this. I'm also assuming there is a Masters division here you can compete in? But generally, I find the look to be much more aesthetic. You have some good proportions and shape for sure, particularly i like that one hand ab shot. But Classic to me seems to be a different beast - particularly you see these men's physique guys moving to it. And I think it's because they have such wide, exaggerated v-shape and lat flare that the transition there helps to the eye of the judges. Plus we've talked a little about the vacuum which is almost a mandatory in that category. So it'd be a different posing and muscle targeting/growth exercise for you, which may or may not be a desire/strength for your current physique.

At the end of the day though, you have to do what feels right to you.
 
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