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I said I completely disagree with the video. I will also say that everything coming DW is a lie and has an ulterior motive behind it.
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I said I completely disagree with the video. I will also say that everything coming DW is a lie and has an ulterior motive behind it.
RegisterJr
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It's hard for me to gauge Ronda's dominance without knowing her cooking and cleaning skills.
liftingamber12
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He is a promoter & money hungry (from most of what I have seen on him)...so will say whatever he feels necessary. So, very valid point sir!!
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hahahaha this is just too good
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What's her booty look like
And then there's always one of these guys.
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I was just joking I don't know anything about the subject you guys are discussing
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Dana is the Vince McMahon of the UFC and will say anything to try to get hype.
I think women's MMA has never been in the limelight until Ronda's run. There was Chris Cyborg and Gina Carano but I don't think they have been as imposing as Ronda has been. I think the UFC/Dana is trying to create a star in Ronda through publicity, advertising and constant barrages of tweets and comments to get people talking. It is working to a degree as it seems conversations around MMA, both positive and negative are about Ronda Rousey and Connor McGregor. The hyperbole is working and Dana is a great circus ringmaster!
Ronda is one of the (if not the) most dominant woman in MMA... maybe until Saturday
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So your contribution is to make her into a sex object?
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A joke I apologize if I offended anyone. Might have been in poor taste, is so .. again I apologize.
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Dana is the Vince McMahon of the UFC and will say anything to try to get hype.
I think women's MMA has never been in the limelight until Ronda's run. There was Chris Cyborg and Gina Carano but I don't think they have been as imposing as Ronda has been. I think the UFC/Dana is trying to create a star in Ronda through publicity, advertising and constant barrages of tweets and comments to get people talking. It is working to a degree as it seems conversations around MMA, both positive and negative are about Ronda Rousey and Connor McGregor. The hyperbole is working and Dana is a great circus ringmaster!
Ronda is one of the (if not the) most dominant woman in MMA... maybe until Saturday
It definitely started with Gina as she headlined a show on CBS before Rousey was even fighting professionally. McGregor went the Sonnen route for his self promotion. Say what you want about Chael, but the guy was a brilliant self promoter, which is the way to make money in MMA. Tito did it for years and people tuned in to see him fight despite not winning for almost five years in there.
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I totally agree. Frank Shamrock kept himself in the limelight longer than he should have been by doing it as well.
I think the old adage that "any press is good press" is very true. If people are talking about the UFC then they aren't talking about something else.
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Wow...I actually lmao
love2liftkat
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I guess I looked at it more objectively....all women deserve recognition for their accomplishments! No doubt...biggest issue is media hyping or not hyping things for their own purposes..........I was more thinking on the fact that man and women are created differently for a purpose! We both have strong points! We can both be strong, we can both do anything we set our minds to but we are different in how we do it! We are equal in the aspect of respect but different in our abilities....not sure how to say it but that's my attempts at explaining my view point! Lol
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I agree 100%, but I don't think that was the guys intentions in the video.
liftingamber12
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I get that, and that is very true. I agree 100%. I guess my issue was him constantly comparing the 2 & saying that a women "shouldn't" be recognized (or shouldn't have a big deal made out of her accomplishment) unless she did it better or as equally as well as a man. Like the lady who was the first women to ever complete the Ninja Warrior obstacle course. She was the first women to ever complete it....and she was recognized for it. He felt like it wasn't a big deal because men had completed it & done so much faster. Of course they had...they were men taller & stronger than her. It doesn't negate the fact she was the first women to complete it, and deserved that recognition. I don't feel like he was coming from an objective stand point. You gave him more credit than I did!
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guy seemed like a jackass. I don't necessarily think people should be glorified because of sex but she WAS the first to complete it! and props to her for that because there's tons of guys who couldn't do what she did. Hell I know I couldn't! The only problem I see is that they actually did a "womens course" which was a bit easier and everyone still went pretty crazy for the women that did complete it.
Im all for equality and egalitarianism but I feel that the praise some athletes get should be based on performance, not sex. this goes for all sports or whatever. I was impressed with the few girls that made it through and made it with relative ease!
Im all for equality and egalitarianism but I feel that the praise some athletes get should be based on performance, not sex. this goes for all sports or whatever. I was impressed with the few girls that made it through and made it with relative ease!
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Could be so! I tend to be a little on the naive side when it comes to people's intentions! But then again his opinion/stand point really doesn't matter in the scheme of things so I guess that's why I didn't think any deeper on his perspective. Lol
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liftingamber12
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I'm a thinker/analyzer by nature & my education background is in the same field. So, it's just something I tend to do.
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I'm a lover and a fighter by nature. I will fight my lover but then heal his wounds afterwards.
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I'm a lover and a fighter by nature. I will fight my lover but then heal his wounds afterwards.️
Bahaha!!
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Some food porn for fun...had kale chips with my turkey burger for lunch! So yummy!!!
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Well it is a simple fact that a NO ONE in the world can be considered the most dominant in a sport without the ability to compete across sexes. That is just HYPE. For anyone to truly be offended that he called it hype doesn't make a ton of sense. Without that competition one can only be the best male or female fighter in the world. Otherwise there is not proof either way. We should all know that the statement is sensationalized especially right now since she is fighting Saturday night in the UFC... Do I think she might be able to beat some of the bantam weight fighters in the mens division yes. Do I think there are also men in the Bantam weight division that could beat her. Probably more than 1 or 2. Men typically have stronger upper bodies, and that would give many of them an advantage even at the same body weight. Even though I am sure she has more upper body strength than most women. At the same time there could be men in the bantam weight that are that much stronger than most men too.
I did not see him go back and forth on his points once though. They were all basically quite simple, in the physical aspects of things men are more physically dominant than women. Not because of society, but because that is how female mammals typically are born. Genetically less upper body strength and muscle mass. He definitely spoke to the natural strengths and difference between women and men physically and emotionally. He did say a womans accomplishments should be celebrated. That her dominance among THOSE SHE COMPETES AGAINST should be celebrated just not exaggerated to include all competitive fighters unless they have the option to compete to prove otherwise.
I am not saying the guy didn't come of like a douche but nothing he said was actually incorrect, just not typically spoken out loud because people read more into it than the simplified statement of facts. They let what they feel it means cloud the reality of his statements because they are in poor taste to most people. Then again it is probably also a little offensive to the men at the top of their feilds to have that done too.
The bottom line is as dominant as she is in female competition the caliber of female fighters and the competition pool is nowhere as deep. We start getting some other female Olympians who were the best at the combat sports making the change over to MMA then we will see some competition on her level. It is not going to be your typical Black belt female that is going to give her a run for her money. She is already at the Olympic level and trained harder than most people will have ever trained before. She has a major foot up on any competitor that hasn't had access to years of Olympic level training and conditioning. When we have more women in the UFC like Ronda then the competition pool will be deep enough to see if she is truly as dominant among other women who have had her level of training.
At this point Ronda needs to fight a guy to find some competition...
I still believe in chivalry so that is not really an option for me. Don't get me wrong Puccah, you are one strong formidable woman. You hit me I might HAVE to defend myself or actually end up hurt badly!
True, but I think nowadays more men cook at home than women. I know so many women who can not cook. Especially the young ones.Ok...that was funny. I could say the same about any male though.
More than one.
Haha Rodja, have you been in this thread?
This is common silliness for in here and normally started or rooted on by Puccah. That is the normal temperature for this thread. So it's completely understandable that he provide some levity with that type of humor. Besides that, Ronda has already made her self into a sex object. You can almost see her clitoris here in this picture... and then a lingerie photo shoot, she is definitely promoting herself as a sex symbol...Invalid Link Removed
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No man it was completely appropriate for the humor that is continuously going on in this thread. To me Ronda Rousey looks like Julia Stiles but buff! Not the prettiest lady but still sexy.
That makes perfect sense... how I see it as well.
I think you were missing the point of his lateral comparison because you were offended. I don't mean that poorly, but the reason the lady on Ninja Warrior was even brought up was not to say that what she did was not a major accomplishment for a women. It was to illustrate his point between the difference between the strength of ELITE women and men is quite measurably different. This woman is basically now the #1 World Champion Female Ninja warrior competitor by doing something no other woman has ever been able too. She is the only woman to ever complete it. Dominant against all other women in this competition, but her time was 5 minutes slower than the fastest man in her bracket. Not the fastest man ever but the fastest man competing in the finals for this year. So this woman compared to all other women in the world is basically a champion, but her chances of winning this season against the men who are already finishing with a far better time than her are realistically close to zero. His point is that the strength advantage they had there is the same strength advantage they would have in a combat sport. Saying her dominance against women means she would be dominant against the top men is a pretty big leap of faith in the light of that strength advantage... Saying it out loud even makes me feel like a jerk but we are debating an issue based on the data, not on if it was a kind or sensitive thing to say.
To further expound on his comparison, if you look at the current female raw bench press record holder, April Mathis, she weighs in at 259lbs and raw presses 430 lbs! Total Beast whether a woman or a man! HUGELY IMPRESSIVE!!!! Now lets look at the 231lb weight class male world record holding raw bench - Petri Cousma 640 lbs @ a weight of 226. He weighs over 30 lbs less than she does and out benches her by over 200 lbs. He is not wrong pointing out there is an obvious disparity between the strength of males and females. In general, and this comparison here compares the strongest woman compared to the strongest man pound for pound. Strength does not always mean a win in the fight but assume both fighters are basically equally skilled and conditioned the stronger opponent will almost always prevail.
Above you stated that of course men were stronger and had longer arms were able to perform better. Yet it seems that somehow you don't feel the same benefit would tip the scales to a mans favor in a combat sport? If you do believe that the extra strength would tip the favor to a man in that situation then what part is he incorrect about?
Regardless of how you feel, your statement above asserts you do not honestly believe men and women are created physically equal and shouldn't be offended by his assertion of that point. If they are not physically equal, and do not compete against each other with no handicaps for the sexual difference they really can not be compared to decide who is the best pound for pound. So his statement that it is ridiculous to jump to the conclusion that just because she dominates women that she would dominate men in her weight class is not that preposterous, just insensitive.
I think he is politically incorrect in many of his statements, and my sensitivity toward women makes me want to say "Hey he is kind of being a jerk for no need." However if the principal of it is enough for him to feel he needs to say it out loud, then it must have hit a chord with him so he decided to call out the irony of the situation. As much as I think it may be distasteful for many to see or hear, I can not call these things lies just because I find them insensitive.
I am also far from stating that a woman can never be as strong as a man. I am not saying that there are not women out there with ridiculous amounts of upper body strength either. However we are talking about exceptions not the rule, and when generalizing the exceptions are so minuscule they don't improve the average enough to change the generalization at all. Especially when there are exceptions to the rules with men too and a lot of them who are exceptional are competing also. Could Rousey be the best pound for pound fighter in the world, male or female, yes she could. Do I think she is right now? No I don't. Do I think she could become that? Yes maybe, her striking game is really coming up which has been her weakness. She is physically stronger than all of her competitors so the throws, ground game and strength has kept her very dominant with the females. I believe for her to be more competitive with the males her striking would have to be stellar.
Same here, However I always make sure to take how I feel out of the equation when analyzing something. Feelings getting in the way of analyzing something without bias. This dude seems kind of douchy but I am analyzing the route of his statements and not his personality or if I like him.
I think the guy appreciates strong women and celebrates them. He mentions many of the strengths and areas that women are also superior to men in general too. He is saying women and men are different, and have obvious different strengths and weakness. What is wrong with not pretending we are equal? We are not physically equal. That is also not a bad thing. If I wanted my physical equal I would date a man. It is obvious we are more equal. We all have these things hanging out under our bellies, and you gals don't. You have these amazing little love pockets that allow you to control our thoughts and behavior... Definitely not equal, you gals won. Men and women or not physically equal so much as, physically complimentary to one another. Celebrate the differences in our strengths and weaknesses, do the same activities, even compete against one another but don't try to lump us all in together saying we are physically equal when we are simply not. We are quite different both physically and emotionally.
I like that Ronda mentions in a linked video interview that UFC was the most female friendly sport ever because they don't differentiate between woman and men. That the NBA has WNBA, and the like but UFC doesn't have a WUFC. They see all of us as equals there is not difference we are just UFC fighters. However that is not true... she is the Women'b Bantam Weight Champion, not the Bantam Weight Champion.
Then she interestingly follows that up saying that women should never be able to fight men in the UFC. No one should ever get excited about going to see a man hit a woman. She goes on to say it is a REAL FIGHT in there... NO IT IS NOT!!!!! IT IS A COMPETITION!!!!! A real fight is going in with the intent to injure someone. It has no rules, there is no break when someone holds the fence, there is no 5 minute wait period if you accidentally hit someone in the back of the head in a real fight. In a real fight you would be breaking every persons arm that you arm barred. When the bell rings people stop swinging and go to their corners... It is a combative sport competition not a fight.
Well I half agree with that... if a woman wants to sign up to fight a man and they are COMPETING in a refereed event then I am all for it. Now I would hope the woman was formidable, otherwise it would just be ridiculous. Yest you put Ronda in with any male bantamweight, and I bet it would be the highest grossing pay per view that UFC has ever...
puccah8808
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Kleen, you are still the BEST multi-quoter EVER! I'll only show you my lover side! 
DreamWeaver, I was not offended AT ALL! You all should know me by now. I don't give two sh*ts what comes out of my mouth sometimes (or what goes in
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Everyone is going to have his or her opinion. At the end of the day, I completely agree with this guy. It's the main reason why I posted the video. He may have been an a**hole but he was a fcukin' good one!
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DreamWeaver, I was not offended AT ALL! You all should know me by now. I don't give two sh*ts what comes out of my mouth sometimes (or what goes in
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liftingamber12
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We do have different opinions & that's what makes it great. I still don't fully agree with the guy...because of personal opinion & view points, and that's ok. I wouldn't go as far as to say that it's because I was necessarily offended. People who feel the need to get on soap boxes like his on the Internet, and being a douche about it in the process really don't personally offend me. There are much bigger issues to be concerned about. For instance...the huge mess my son is making that needs to be cleaned up before I can cook dinner. Oh, and people starving all over the world. I was just stating how he came across to me & what I got from it.
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liftingamber12
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Awewww, make your hubby clean it! Lol
I agree with you as well.
Bahaha. I can definitely clean better than him.
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MrKleen73
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The above post was why I thought it offended, you mentioned your inner feminist coming out. That automatically means you are offended. The feminist movement was created and driven by women who are offended by the idea that they are not equal to, and or treated equal to men. That and the fact the several of the things you state in the above paragraph are exactly his point. Just from the other end and you didn't see it...
Saying she is the Most Dominant Fighter in the world IS COMPARING HER TO MEN!!!! There are more male fighters in the world than female so they are comparing her to more men than females when saying this. He said stop with that comparison it is not an accurate comparison. Not even really a fair comparison to make. The physical differences in strength between the 2 sexes when both are same weight, fighting skill and conditioning the stronger is almost always going to win. Instead he says celebrate that she is the baddest woman on the planet. Praise and adore her for her accomplishments but don't inflate them, they don't need to be inflated, being the baddest woman on the planet is bad ass enough.
"He argues for equality, yet feels a women can't be considered the best at what she does until she "proves" it to him....by beating a man."
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That is not what he said. He said they can not possibly state that she is the Most Dominant Fighter in the world because there are several worthy men she would also have to beat to earn that level of recognition. Just as if she were truly being considered the best they would have to beat her to be the most dominant fighter as well.
"I struggle with this notion that a women can't be recognized & applauded for their accomplishments & talents unless they do it better than a man.....even if she was THE FIRST women to complete a course/race/event. If a women is the best in her field...let HER be recognized for it."
See here is another point where your feelings have clouded your perception. He never once said a woman should not be recognized for her talents or accomplishments if they were not better than a mans. That was you inner feminist translating things that were not said at all. He actually said it was to be celebrated and that he celebrated the Ninja womans thing too. He basically was pointing out that even though she was the first woman to ever do this and deserved a large fanfare for it that it would be made to look smaller if compared to the men's score due to their obvious advantage of upper body strength. So why even try to compare it to mens and just let it stand on it's own that she is the baddest woman to ever be on American Ninja.
Same scenario with the fighters. Don't compare Ronda with the guys just let her be bad ass Ronda the women's undefeated champ!!! You put her in the ring against a man it may make her greatness look mediocre in comparison to how she performs in the womens bracket, it might not but there is a decent chance it would. He admits Ronda is the best female fighter, and gives her credit for it. What he does not recognize if the jump to the conclusion that because she dominates the shallow and less experienced female fighter pool that the UFC has to offer that she would dominate against male fighters as well.
Anyway to me he was saying what you are, let the womans accomplishments stand on there own without comparison to a mans. Especially in a sport where the mans strength gives him an extreme advantage.
liftingamber12
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My view is let people be people. No gender bias or seperation at all. I'm actually more of humanist than a feminist if you want to get down to it. Just celebrate people for who they are & what they have accomplished regardless of what's between their legs. There are women out there who are physically stronger then men, and there are men out there emotionally stronger then women. I don't feel like that was the argument he was trying to make at all.
I think you may be over analyzing my comments a bit. I was commenting while chasing a 2 year old around. So, it really wasn't that big of a deal to me. Do I have some feminist views...yes. I do feel women should get recognition, just like men do. When a man is said to be "the best" or "most dominant" you don't see people getting on soap boxes about "but he can't be because he hasn't beaten a women at it (in his respected sport). So, how could he be considered the most dominant athlete? Just let his accomplishment stand on it's own without comparing to women". He's just congratulated & the world moves on. Same should go for women. That's my point...that clearly wasn't his because he felt the need to point out these women hadn't competed against men & therefore their recognition & fanfare was/is unwarranted on the level they have recieved. That's what I got from it. No need to debate different points of view. IF that is what he was trying to say...he could have done a much better & tactful job of it.
Now, I do have to go cook. Something I can do equally as well as hubby!
I think you may be over analyzing my comments a bit. I was commenting while chasing a 2 year old around. So, it really wasn't that big of a deal to me. Do I have some feminist views...yes. I do feel women should get recognition, just like men do. When a man is said to be "the best" or "most dominant" you don't see people getting on soap boxes about "but he can't be because he hasn't beaten a women at it (in his respected sport). So, how could he be considered the most dominant athlete? Just let his accomplishment stand on it's own without comparing to women". He's just congratulated & the world moves on. Same should go for women. That's my point...that clearly wasn't his because he felt the need to point out these women hadn't competed against men & therefore their recognition & fanfare was/is unwarranted on the level they have recieved. That's what I got from it. No need to debate different points of view. IF that is what he was trying to say...he could have done a much better & tactful job of it.
Now, I do have to go cook. Something I can do equally as well as hubby!
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Saying she is the most dominant fighter has nothing to do with comparing genders. Dominance is within your respective sport and division. Like I said, I'm not a fan of hers, but she is currently the most dominant fighter on the planet. Only out of the first round once her entire pro and amateur career. Even when Anderson and Fedor where in their respective primes, they never approached that level. There isn't really a viable contender against her. Look at the line for tomorrow night if you don't believe me. Or how about the fact that the next person in line is someone Ronda has finished twice? Yes, Meisha did much better the second fight, but was never close to winning.
And for context, the pic where she is naked is the ESPN body issue. There are definitely some people in there that will never be sex objects and the second pic is Maxim. It's not freaking Playboy like Arianny and Brittany did.
And for context, the pic where she is naked is the ESPN body issue. There are definitely some people in there that will never be sex objects and the second pic is Maxim. It's not freaking Playboy like Arianny and Brittany did.
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My view is let people be people. No gender bias or seperation at all. I'm actually more of humanist than a feminist if you want to get down to it. Just celebrate people for who they are & what they have accomplished regardless of what's between their legs. There are women out there who are physically stronger then men, and there are men out there emotionally stronger then women. I don't feel like that was the argument he was trying to make at all.
I think you may be over analyzing my comments a bit. I was commenting while chasing a 2 year old around. So, it really wasn't that big of a deal to me. Do I have some feminist views...yes. I do feel women should get recognition, just like men do. When a man is said to be "the best" or "most dominant" you don't see people getting on soap boxes about "but he can't be because he hasn't beaten a women at it (in his respected sport). So, how could he be considered the most dominant athlete? Just let his accomplishment stand on it's own without comparing to women". He's just congratulated & the world moves on. Same should go for women. That's my point...that clearly wasn't his because he felt the need to point out these women hadn't competed against men & therefore their recognition & fanfare was/is unwarranted on the level they have recieved. That's what I got from it. No need to debate different points of view. IF that is what he was trying to say...he could have done a much better & tactful job of it.
Now, I do have to go cook. Something I can do equally as well as hubby!
I agree completely with the first paragraph up the last sentence. I think he just point blank thinks because a man is typically inherently stronger he would win. I am not saying he is right because I don't know but he definitely has a point if that is his point of view.
As far as the part in bold, typically in combat sports or even further back any sport like you said it was always men competing, so if he was the best man he was the best. There wasn't really a question too it. When someone said someone was the best boxer it was because they were referring to a man, there weren't professional women, or not any with enough exposure for the general population to know about. That is a lot of years of conditioning to just accept that when said about a man because they were the only ones competing, and or getting exposure in sports. Not really my point of view I am not a huge follower of sports to be honest, but it seems reasonable as to why things might be easier to automatically accept does it not?
That is not how I interpreted "the most dominant fighter in the world" I took it at face value. If that is the specific equation with which it is figured out and we are just supposed to know it is limited to how she competes with in her division compared to how others compete in there divisions, and not on the quality of the rest of the people they have compete against then her record looks good for that.
However to talk about her not making it out of the 1st round to much, the level of talent in the female division simply has not caught up to the talent in the male division. The female division is just not mature enough, like you said the next in line is someone she has already beat twice. They are having to dig fighters out of the woodwork. The larger the competitive pool the more skilled it will prove her. Right now nobody can touch her but I think there will be people who can coming down the line. The female division is so young, now that there is more money in it, and it is gaining popularity more women will set their sites on it. She will probably be on the top for a while but I wont lie I will jump up and down when she loses. I will enjoy watching her dominate until then though because she is indeed awesome and dominating.
I will be watching and rooting for her anyway. Even though she is a bit rough around the edges.
Yes I know where those pictures were from doesn't change the fact she knew she was butt naked and just because ESPN did it and it was "artistically done" doesn't make it not sexy and she know it. I mean it is dangerously close to her vagina... On top of that, any female who does a spread in MAXIM is choosing to exploit / celebrate her sexuality... that is what those photo shoots are all about! The fact she has chosen to do so makes it perfectly fine for anyone to talk about her ass openly.
liftingamber12
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At the end of the day I feel like this guy just found a soap box to get on & clearly did a good job of stirring the pot. I never said he didn't have a view point. I said my views are different from his. If they are the same, as you say they are, then his douche bag attitude got in the way of his message. However, I still don't feel like his view is the same as mine....again, if it was, there would be no need for the video...just move on. I think still assuming men will always win because they are inherently stronger is a bit unrealistic today. Ronda vs a male trained fighter... it's very likely the male would win. Ronda vs a male bodybuilder...it's very likely she would win. Why? Skill...there's more to it than inherent strength. My 5' 100lb niece can out pitch any male she has played ball with. Even with these guys who are 6' 190lbs. So, to assume males will always be better & stronger because they are male & are inherently stronger makes him look like an ass. So, my view still stands. Let the women get the recognition without getting on a damn soap box to say..."but if they fought or competed against a man they'd lose." Again...not his point because he felt the need to bring it up & say it. Which he has a right to do, but I have the right to disagree with his point & reasoning behind it.
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Time to move on to another topic.. 
Here's an early morning selfie. An it's too damn early to be up selfie.
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Here's an early morning selfie. An it's too damn early to be up selfie.
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I think you forgot to turn the lights on...........or maybe forgot to pay the electric bill
liftingamber12
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It is early where you are. I got to sleep in until 7 this morning!
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You clearly have zero knowledge on the history of MMA. No man has had this level of dominance even in the dark ages. There were multiple Olympic athletes competing and their dominance was short lived. Mark Coleman ring a bell?
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Agreed, I said I thought he was a douche. LOL Just playing Devils advocate for the sake of debate. I do think his saying not to compare them was the same sentiment but not for the same motivation, that's why I said the same just from the other side. You are a cool lady and know how to have a conversation.
Like I said before, she is a beast and the best at what she does. I completely and totally recognize that on its own merit. I don't compare men and women in sports like that. Unless they compete against one another they are the best man or the best woman. There can be no best overall without a competition to prove it. I love and celebrate the difference between the sexes and don't compare apples to oranges or Venus to Mars. Yep man that is obvious... ZERO knowledge...
You can talk history of MMA all you want, and I do have knowledge of it. I trained MMA for 3 years before I tore my labrum and then allotted the money to my daughters activities after the surgery. The talent pool she has to fight against is not as deep or skilled as the male fighters have to contend with. That explains the dominance. Sure it also makes her the most dominant in womens MMA. Just like Kramer was the most dominant white belt in his White belt class with the kids... Didn't make him the most dominant in the world... (an exaggerated analogy to inject humor & prove a point don't get offended.) On paper she looks like the most dominant fighter, and by your standards and definition of most dominant fighter in the world means then currently that is correct by those standards...
Regardless of the record I can't think of her as the most dominant fighter in the world when her competition pool is so shallow and limited in comparison to the mens. If it were not she may not be so dominant. That is no slight toward women, quite the opposite. I believe their are more women out there who could give her a challenge once they make their way into the octagon. She opened the door for them to make real money, and that will bring more fighters out of the wood works. Just like Yateswifey04 said, Dana White had no interest in womens MMA until he saw her. He did not deem any other female fighters had the level of skill he needed in the UFC. What does that tell you? That the competition he is bringing in to fight her he never thought was worthy enough in skill to fight for him until she came and needed people to beat on. He doesn't think they are worthy of her but she needs opponents for him to make money off of her. Even better never making it out of the 1st round against them he can have her fight that much more often and make more money...
I am not taking anything away from her, I think she is absolutely amazing and the first of her kind, a total phenom. The difference is the scope of what we are taking into consideration. I don't need to convince you that considering things on a broader scope has merit. I also don't have to conform to your narrower definition of The Worlds most Dominant Fighter when in the English language it includes all fighters and not just between divisions but all things considered. Which was his point of view. I am debating from his point of view. Regardless it is ALL CONJECTURE ANYWAY AND THAT MAKES IT HYPE!!!!!!!!! Nothing can take that point away. Same as they HYPE up men... it is a part of the business.
It is all hype! This guy knows it is hype and not a literal statement. In the end this guy's channel is about creating controversy. Getting people talking and clicking on his videos to see what he is going to say next. If you don't think he made these points intentionally to stir up a frenzy of people commenting and viewing his videos you are wrong. I think he knows saying anyone is best in the world when there are multiple federations for any sport and they don't compete champ to champ is simply hype. He chose to point it out in this situation to start debates and get hits. Saying unpopular things and taking things at face value then dissecting them at a literal meaning instead of the intended to create drama which in turn creates traffic / revenue for his channel. Guy may be an ass but he is making his channel popular and that is the goal.
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