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I agree on the first point.
What about JACKED marketing was distasteful? I thought it was straight forward and low key. Would love your opinion, Honestly.
Jacked VS. JP8
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I agree on the first point.
What about JACKED marketing was distasteful? I thought it was straight forward and low key. Would love your opinion, Honestly.
Guest
Guest
you are incorrect here....This dose not happen.
FOOFAC
Member
I voted for jacked only because I can get it down. I have tasted some pretty disgusting stuff over the years and JP8 has come close to making me puke! Don't get me wrong I love Chuck's products and I know there is a better flavor out now but I had to toss the remainder of one container and I pawned the other off on my bro who did not appreciate the gift because of the taste. I should also point out that RPM was not very effective for me either so I shouldn't of bother with JP8. Once I'm out of jacked I will be on to something else so I don't consider it to be that great.
brk_nemesis
yea!!!!!
no shotgun worked wonders for me in the past when nothin else worked. That was until i started jp8,..... awesome workouts, nice energy,.. truely great stuff. Only problem i have is with the mixing of it,..... i have the new grape flavor and it never wants to fully mix with water or juice,.... and has an inch of foam floating at the top. Maybe Chuck can chime in on some good juices to mix jp8 with? past 2 workouts ive just dumped the scoop old skool style and chased with water, so.... besides the mixing,...... jp8 is a great product.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
u are aware you voted Jacked is better?...
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
No it wasn't (promoted as hard by NP), they put it up there for promo the last 3 days of the sale. Anyway, USP is an advertising BS machine. Everyone knows that, whatever sells the product mentality....that's cool, but Jacked aint better than JP8, bottom line.
Bark, bite, 18k ingredients.......I have no idea what you are talking about, are you just straight up ignoring everyone's comments who have used both products?
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
I dont mix mine with juice, but you can mix it with any flavor juice that mixes with a grape or has grape in the mix. I mixed the lemonade JP8 with V8 fusion. If you dont mix it in a shaker bottle, some of the amino's wont dissolve all the way unless you mix it, let it sit for a while, then mix it again, close to BCAA's in water.
b unit
Well-known member
Where are these USP ad's appearing at the top of the company sections?
Can you please show me because I can't see any?
I do see ad's for JP8 on the right hand side of each company section along with other companies products including usp's prime.
subweevil
Well-known member
Really? Sorry to all for the confusion, I swore I voted for JP8!! Can't see how it happened, but for the record, let me emphatically state "JP8 gets my vote as being better than Jacked!" Hope that helps, but I wish I could go back in and correct what I voted for. Still kinda puzzled about that.
joebo
Well-known member
They are no longer there. It may have been a forum mistake, but the one about Jacked being the #1 seller appeared at the top of every forum even board sponsor sub-sections
Kristofer68SS
Well-known member
The one and only.
Get Diesel Nutrition
Calm down guys. They are two different friggin products.
Its not a fair comparison for jacked. No offense, but its true. I personally would compare it to Primaforce primal n20.
Price, profile and results are all a closer comparison.
my 2 pennies.
JudgementDay
Legend
Jacked is the best
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
We are all entitled to our opinion, most definitely. However, that distinction is ultimately up to the consumer who, despite JACKED's very limited time on the market, is expressing at least an equal preference to JACKED. Given that preference is a completely subjective comparison, and you have not provided any objective justification for why JP8 is 'better than' JACKED, maybe the company-affiliated individuals should step aside and allow the consumer to decide.
An equal question would be, "Are you?" It would seem you are equally ignoring the results of the thread: despite your statement that not one 'non-USP-affiliated individual' would prefer JACKED to JP8, it would appear there are 22 such individuals confined in this very thread. You are either overestimating the potency of JP8, or underestimating the potency of JACKED; either way, it would seem your own opinions do not relate to the reality of this thread, or the opinions being expressed.
As I said, if JP8 is as measurably better than JACKED as you claim, then the poll should be overwhelmingly in favor of JP8, correct? It is probably best for all reps and/or owners to pipe down a few notches and allow the poll to play out.
BuddyBuilder
Member
Frank Reynolds
Board Supporter
If the 22 people have not tried both, then there is no validity, and vice versa. So in reality if a person is voting for one, without trying the other, all we have is a poll of "fanboy" voting.
I have yet to try jp8, so i cant vote.
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ryaroberts
Active member
this going back and forth is getting interesting lol. one thing i have noticed is that jacked has got bashed a few times, however (if im not mistaken) jp8 hasnt gotten bashed once.
tim1985
Well-known member
Ok?:reporter:
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
True, though there is no option in accordance with that cateogry, so positing one way or another about it is mere speculative conjecture. Debating the stastical merits of an open-forum poll is a moot point overall, though. My point was less bickering between the 'company people', and more expression by the 'non-company people'.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
think about that.........the poll doesnt allow people who have only used both to vote.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
correct
brk_nemesis
yea!!!!!
ah that must be it bro,..... all my shakers have been dirty pre w/o so i just used a spoon n glass. I forgot a while back alot of my bulk supplies wouldn't dissolve that way either and had to use a shaker. Thx for the heads up chuck!
joebo
Well-known member
I just used my first serving of JP8 today. Let me preface this by saying i'm a pre-workout drink fanatic and have tried the vast majority of them available including Jacked which I have almost 3 tubs of just cuz it was cheap. For the past few months I've been using mostly NO-Shotgun v2 and v3 off and on. On occasion I would use Primal N20 as well. I love Shotgun and still swear by it and I think its hard to beat Primal N20 for the price/results aspect. I'm a bit sick and currently on azithromyacin which tends to make me feel funny to begin with. I wasn't expecting a good workout, but JP8(Grape) really surprised me. I think it may actually replace NO-Shotgun for me, but right now due to illness its hard to tell. Regardless, IMHO, JP8 is much better and more well rounded than Jacked. I've been trying to get rid of my 2 sealed jacked and no one wants them. Hard to believe its number one at NP.
JP8 flavor is fine. Anyone who complains about the grape is a whiner. I've had much worse things. The only thing I don't like I believe is the ginger which leaves a funny burny type taste in your mouth. Other the flavor is quite good and very drinkable. I think it tastes better than NO-Shotgun v2. JP8 hands down takes the cake in this debate in my opinion.
JP8 flavor is fine. Anyone who complains about the grape is a whiner. I've had much worse things. The only thing I don't like I believe is the ginger which leaves a funny burny type taste in your mouth. Other the flavor is quite good and very drinkable. I think it tastes better than NO-Shotgun v2. JP8 hands down takes the cake in this debate in my opinion.
TripDog
Bananas
Thank-you for your feedback, it is very accurate. Anyone that disagrees with that statement is only fooling themselves really..
joebo
Well-known member
I should be hitting the gym tonight as well. I feel slightly better today and plan to take another dose of JP8. Should be able to have an even better workout since I don't feel like a$$. By the way, I used 1.5 scoops yesterday and feel I could have gotten away with just 1, but 1.5 was great too. If anyone wants some sealed tubs of Jacked, PM me.
subweevil
Well-known member
Yeah, for me 1 scoop is way plenty. I love the gradual let down after a workout from it instead of the nose dive crash. Also, the stuff puts me in a rather shipper mood, so that's an added plus. It's just strikes me as funny how far ahead of other pre-workout supps JP8 is in the focus, motivation and endurance aspects. The old one never really got me going in the "Pumps" department, but the new one is better there. Certainly, there are others out there that are good, just not great like JP8.
Frank Reynolds
Board Supporter
I am gunna have to try JP8 based on this... Your taste in PWO supps, basically mirrors mine. No Shotgun, and Vasocharge/primal are my 2 favs as well.
subweevil
Well-known member
I haven't tried NO Shotgun, but I should just to compare it to the others so I can form an honest opinion, once I can find a sample or 2, but seriously, I can't see anything topping JP8 at this time. Oh yeah, azithromyacin tears me up as well. Make sure to mow down some yogurt, or get some Gut Health, because it, like most anti-biotics, can kill the good bacteria in you as well.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
Yeah this one has more cndium, gynostemma and also over 2.5g cit. malate per scoop, the lemonade didnt have any cit. malate.
Esox Express
Member
I got better focus/intensity out of Geranium caps than I did with jacked.
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
who is "you"?Well if u don't think jacked will give u focus, energy, and some of the other things u listed, u haven't tried it
People's reviews of supplements is subjective to everything else they have tried.
pantherdude63
Member
JP8 is an awesome pre. I've tried Nos Ether also and love them both. I havent tried jacked so I didnt vote, but it would have to be REALLY REALLY awesome to beat out JP8.
Manimalia
Well-known member
Considering y'all's marvelous marketing skill/means, and the incentives you consistently offer on top of it, I'd say Chuck and his JP8 aren't doing too shabby with being a few points ahead thus far. He'd be doing damn well to be even a few behind, but he's ahead. That, to me, says something.
Chuck don't buddy up with people. He doesn't even market or plug his products. Yet, still a following. Must be damn good stuff.
Not to mention, a few of your votes, including yours, are directly under-wing of USP.
I haven't tried either products. I can say this, though. JP8 looks interesting to me. It's more than a pre-workout powder. It offers more than stims and endurance.
To date, White Flood has been the best I've tried. I will wager JP8 will equal if not surpass my expectations I have based off the White Flood precedent.
Mulletsoldier
Binging on Pure ****ing Rage
Okay. All my post said was to let the chips fall where they may.
Guest
Guest
He also has been in business 6 years longer.
I hope Chuck wins the Poll. He deserves it.
subweevil
Well-known member
Yeah, once you announced a new flavor, I was like, " I just got used to this stuff, no worries." Then, I saw it was re-formulated with some goodies I wanted to see in it, like Geranium, in addition to the cit. malate. This stuff definitely is very well rounded, and now the pumps come easier with it, more so than the old one. Good job man!!
Kristofer68SS
Well-known member
Excellent post sir.
I voted for both. I think they both are great products.
I sold a buddy 1 of my tubs of jacked. NO COMPLAINTS. He said its a clean mind and body energy boost that doesnt crash. Simple yet very effective.
I took 2.5 scoops today while at work. Two different times(about 4 hours apart), splitting the dose. Resulted in a really nice clean energy boost with focus. I really like it.
However. I will not deviate from my JP8 and Nos Ether combo when it comes to pre/post workout therapy. :biggthumpup:
hooked.......
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
See when you ball'in like USP labs, you dont care about no poll or having the best products out. You care about putting out good products and selling tons of it. I cant do that, I dont have the money to put out good products.....they have to be damn near great or "historical" or people wont purchase them. The marketing isnt there, the "face time" isnt there in the major magazines and with the big distributors.
I don't think Jacked sucks formulation wise, never said that. I just don't think its formulated to be the best out for its intended purpose. But it's probably "good" to "better than ok/good" by the feedback.
TripDog
Bananas
Yea thats the case, Jacked isn't made to compete with JP8. Is Jacked a bad product...no, is it ground-breaking.....no. All said and done I ask the USP clan to actually try JP8 before assuming it's not a slammer. No one is saying Jacked is crap, I have seen things come out that Jacked makes look like a champ, just not compared to JP8 though....
Lets all agree that our best intrest is in the consumer...thats all I ask of this debate. If you agree say "I".
redemption79
Member
I've tried both.
Nothing wrong with jacked. It's one of the better pre workout products I've tried. I would reccomend it to anyone who is thinking of trying it.
The flavor is MUCH better than JP8, but that's about the only catagory where it leads JP8.
The focus, drive, and Bad*ss mentality I get from JP8 is unrivaled by any pre workout supp I've taken to date. I also don't think It's any less of a value seeing I take 3/4 scoop of JP8 vs. 3 scoops of Jacked.
Jacked is probably the easiest on the stomach, and I don't taste it during my workout like I sometimes do with JP8.
IMO, if you want the best performing product, regardless of taste, go with JP8. If you want something that goes down a little easier and still works great, go with Jacked.
...or just buy both. You won't be wasting your money with either product.
Nothing wrong with jacked. It's one of the better pre workout products I've tried. I would reccomend it to anyone who is thinking of trying it.
The flavor is MUCH better than JP8, but that's about the only catagory where it leads JP8.
The focus, drive, and Bad*ss mentality I get from JP8 is unrivaled by any pre workout supp I've taken to date. I also don't think It's any less of a value seeing I take 3/4 scoop of JP8 vs. 3 scoops of Jacked.
Jacked is probably the easiest on the stomach, and I don't taste it during my workout like I sometimes do with JP8.
IMO, if you want the best performing product, regardless of taste, go with JP8. If you want something that goes down a little easier and still works great, go with Jacked.
...or just buy both. You won't be wasting your money with either product.
strategicmove
Legend
Trip, there is really no need to suggest the existence of a "USP Clan". You know my style. I personally have not even voted in this poll. I have neither tried JP8 not JACKED. Any such comparisons, whether they are meaningful or not, should best be done by the consumers. I certainly support supplement-company owners justifying why their products are great, from a scientific point of view, should they find this necessary. I certainly do not support supplement-company owners down-talking other companies' products to show theirs is/are better. I have an ethical problem with this approach. Consequently, I believe consumers are better placed to make such judgments. In the end it is not about JP8 or JACKED, rather the consumer's perception, which in itself, is influenced by many factors.
Guest
Guest
With all due respect that is a bitter response coming from a competitor.
The reason for our success is that we have the best products on the market.
If your products are "Great" and "Historical" as you claim than the 12 years in the industry would of given your products distribution and recognition that you feel you deserve.
USPlabs started just like Get Diesel on a supplement forum without much money, but USPlabs innovation has lead USPlabs to the next level. we where not the brainchild of a corporate entity. We started on this message board in 2005 and we skyrocted to the top because we are formulators of great products that created a superior consumer base.
Our consumers like JACKED because it is not a kitchen sink formula it is designed with superior ingredients and with the USPlabs edge of two new extracts never used before in the industry(Theophylline from Guarana and Schzindarol A). When our consumer consumes jacked he knows that tyhe ingredients are meant to increase training intensity, stamina, focus, and energy and beyond that they understand which INDIVIDUAL ingredient is responsible for each of the above effects.
Our products in general are like a puzzle that our consumers can piece together and understand what products is responsible for reaction in the body. Our consumers are anti 12-30 compounds formulations that claim to do it all.
One reason the USPlabs line is successful is because the innovative nature allows our products to be stacked with most products on the market.
This has become Silly. You can keep making top secret historical products but we will keep innovating, growing and absorbing the hate with a smile.
The USPlabs line is about creating residual consumers through innovative formulas that work.
pantherdude63
Member
Trip, there is really no need to suggest the existence of a "USP Clan". You know my style. I personally have not even voted in this poll. I have neither tried JP8 not JACKED. Any such comparisons, whether they are meaningful or not, should best be done by the consumers. I certainly support supplement-company owners justifying why their products are great, from a scientific point of view, should they find this necessary. I certainly do not support supplement-company owners down-talking other companies' products to show theirs is/are better. I have an ethical problem with this approach. Consequently, I believe consumers are better placed to make such judgments. In the end it is not about JP8 or JACKED, rather the consumer's perception, which in itself, is influenced by many factors.
Good post.
All that can be done is let the consumers choose. No need for supplement company owners to be bickering about this. But it does appear to me that chuck has kinda been poking the fire though.lol
Chuck Diesel
Are you Diesel?
stop right there.......u cant possibly believe that. Ur success is basically from those write-ups and advertising. Have u seen the ad running for Prime?
Anyway what I said is what I believe. You guys can believe whatever you want, but no one, not one person has said they like Jacked better than JP8 on this thread, except in the taste department.
Guest
Guest
Our success is from marketing great products that creates residual business.
You keep making "historical" products with the same compounds everyone else is using, and I will keep breaking sales records with our innovative products that introduces new compounds into the industry.
Wish you the best and I hope everyone that purchased JACKED will purchase JP8.
joebo
Well-known member
MuscleTech makes the most profits in the supplement industry. Do you not think this comes from marketing? I feel the same holds true with USP. Marketing is a big part of the initial purchase. It gets me everytime you launch a new product, however, i'm never a repeat customer for the same product because honestly the products don't hold up to their "muscletech" like claims.
Again, I think your doing a great job from a business aspect and thats all that matters, but to think your products are holier than thou is a bit hard to swallow.
Cissus was to me your biggest break through in the supplement industry, but now there are others who to me source/make a better product like Primaforce's Cissus.
After using both JP8 and Jacked, I can honestly say from a pre-workout standpoint Jacked is a distant second to JP8. I do, however, like to take a scoop of Jacked before a night of drinking or just as a stim, but not pre-workout.
**Preparing for the USP flaming**
Bottom line is :gives:
Guest
Guest
You are entitled to your opinion.
Muscle Tech started as a multimillion dollar company with 40 pages of advertising per magazine in an age when not many supplement companies existed. They have over 30 pages in the most expensive bb magazine muscle and fitness. At the time, they had the most innovative products.
We are advertising in an age where hundreds of supplement companies exist in advertising and our products are recognized.
USPlabs started as an internet forum underground brand that developed a loyal consumer base and made enough money to have a few pages in the magazines..
We only have 1 page spread in Flex so our advertising is not Muscle tech like by any means. In some magazines we have 4-5 pages and some we have 1 page...
I have the world's best natural bodybuilders using our products. I have the world’s strongest athletes using our products. I have one of the world’s top strength coaches endorsing our products.
If joebo and other company groupies that create threads like this Invalid Link Removed
Your hate and threads like the above just validates our success. This business breads hate.
The Difference between a USPlabs' customer and Joebo is that our customers have no need to create dummy threads or partake in a who is the better than who debate.
Our consumer is just interested in progressing in life. Our customer like USPlabs is only focused in promoting our progress and success. We do not worry about the competition, but its obvious the competition is worreid about us.
I'm done. I have a new product to formulate.
Everyone should go buy JP8 an investment in history...
joebo
Well-known member
I am a USP customer, that is where your wrong. I just only buy your products once and then see no need to purchase again.