Is Dermatherm the best?

kingdong

kingdong

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Ive been researching topical fatloss products off and on for a few months now. A lot of them seem to have ingredients that shouldn't really do help fat loss. Everyone says topical caffeine will only kic out some water. topical berberin sounds pretty useless.

Dermatherm supposedly had hormones that will actually stimulate thermogenosis however. Am I right in assumeing that Dermatherm is as good as it get's in the topical fatloss helper world?
 
Both Eviscerate and Eviscerate SMOLDER have had flawless feedback from an effectiveness standpoint.
 
dsade, as someone who has formulated products could you please give me a quick lesson the effectiveness differences of Eviscerate Smolder, Napalm and Atomic Meltdown?

I have only ever used Glycgel and Licorice Lysine Plus.
 
bdcc said:
dsade, as someone who has formulated products could you please give me a quick lesson the effectiveness differences of Eviscerate Smolder, Napalm and Atomic Meltdown?

I have only ever used Glycgel and Licorice Lysine Plus.
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They all use Napalm as a base. I felt that Napalm, while effective on its own, was underutilizing so many effective additions. After licensing the formula from Avant I created Eviscerate as THE most unbeatably effective topical. While some find the ingredient profile to be pretty uncomfortable to use, the effects can not be argued with.

SMOLDER was created to appeal to those that just could not handle OG Eviscerate. It reduced the Capsaicin content, increased the RK content, and added in more diuretic ingredients as well as skin tighteners. It's very pleasant to use.

Atomic meltdown trades off the max effectiveness of Eviscerate for a higher tingler content as well as bronzing ingredients. It is JUST designed to be used in sunlight or UV beds, and mostly as a final snap on cuts and color.
 
i just finished a bottle. I wasnt too good at taking it tho, the transderm thing was a 1st for me. Didnt get good results but again it was my own fault.
 
dsade said:
They all use Napalm as a base. I felt that Napalm, while effective on its own, was underutilizing so many effective additions. After licensing the formula from Avant I created Eviscerate as THE most unbeatably effective topical. While some find the ingredient profile to be pretty uncomfortable to use, the effects can not be argued with.

SMOLDER was created to appeal to those that just could not handle OG Eviscerate. It reduced the Capsaicin content, increased the RK content, and added in more diuretic ingredients as well as skin tighteners. It's very pleasant to use.

Atomic meltdown trades off the max effectiveness of Eviscerate for a higher tingler content as well as bronzing ingredients. It is JUST designed to be used in sunlight or UV beds, and mostly as a final snap on cuts and color.
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Whoa!! Thans for the honesty!
 
kingdong said:
Ive been researching topical fatloss products off and on for a few months now. A lot of them seem to have ingredients that shouldn't really do help fat loss. Everyone says topical caffeine will only kic out some water. topical berberin sounds pretty useless.

Dermatherm supposedly had hormones that will actually stimulate thermogenosis however. Am I right in assumeing that Dermatherm is as good as it get's in the topical fatloss helper world?
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The ORIGINAL DermaTherm was the best fat loss topical out there IMO, yes. However, the DermaTherm Target is nowhere near as effective.

If you used LG Science's new 7-keto DHEA topical with DermaTherm Target, that might come close to similar effects as the original DermaTherm, but I cannot say this for certain.

Now that DermaTherm is not available, the best fat loss topical on the market is Eviscerate, with Eviscerate Smolder coming in a close second.


dsade said:
Both Eviscerate and Eviscerate SMOLDER have had flawless feedback from an effectiveness standpoint.
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^^^Absolutely!

~Rosie~
 
im not sure if you want to head this route but clenviscerate seems to be popular option topically.
 
rochabp said:
im not sure if you want to head this route but clenviscerate seems to be popular option topically.
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As far as muscle building is concerned, I wanna stay natural for a long time. I have considered a little extra boost to help me show the muscle off though. Unfortunately price is an issue. Do you think clen would work with a transdermal carrier unrelated to napalm? Can people PM me with a good place to find inexpensive clen?
 
dsade said:
Atomic meltdown trades off the max effectiveness of Eviscerate for a higher tingler content as well as bronzing ingredients. It is JUST designed to be used in sunlight or UV beds, and mostly as a final snap on cuts and color.
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I thought all this stuff was a final snap on cuts?
 
Dermatherm helps target fatloss in certain areas. I know, this sounds stupid. But... dermatherm does this by increasing blood flow to the fat that it is transdermally applied to. I can't 100% back this up with science, lol. But it's only going to be effective if dieting. It's mild, to be honest.

Some new studies are coming out that are showing fat loss can be dictated to the fatty tissues that have more blood being supplied to them.

If you want something stronger, go with one of the above already mentioned.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
It's mild, to be honest.

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If you want something stronger, go with one of the above already mentioned.
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Rosie Chee Scott said:
The ORIGINAL DermaTherm was the best fat loss topical out there IMO, yes. However, the DermaTherm Target is nowhere near as effective.

If you used LG Science's new 7-keto DHEA topical with DermaTherm Target, that might come close to similar effects as the original DermaTherm, but I cannot say this for certain.

Now that DermaTherm is not available, the best fat loss topical on the market is Eviscerate, with Eviscerate Smolder coming in a close second.
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Thank you both for an honest response. It is refreshing to hear, especially from reps.
 
BigBlackGuy said:
Dermatherm helps target fatloss in certain areas...it's only going to be effective if dieting. It's mild, to be honest.
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The product write-up for DermaTherm Target states that it is SYSTEMIC: "This is the first topical fat loss product on the market designed to burn fat over the entire body, rather than targeting a specific area."


bdcc said:
Thank you both for an honest response. It is refreshing to hear, especially from reps.
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No worries - you know I just tell it as it is from my own experience :)

~Rosie~
 
Would it be beneficial to put extra rasberry in eviscerate? How about carnitine

I do realize it would have to be one or the other, because the product would thicken up at some point by the way.
 
kingdong said:
I realize it's not needed, but for that extra kick...
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Not sure if it would give it an "extra kick" - Matt is better equipped to answer this than I.
 
If smolder has diuretic properties would it be more effective for short term gains i.e. shoot/contest despite the original being stronger for fat loss?

I might have a shoot for a UK underwear brand coming up so would be interested in this aspect.
 
bdcc said:
If smolder has diuretic properties would it be more effective for short term gains i.e. shoot/contest despite the original being stronger for fat loss?

I might have a shoot for a UK underwear brand coming up so would be interested in this aspect.
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As far as Smolder, whilst it had diuretic effects for me, I personally think that it is still better used for ~8 weeks, although ~4 weeks could give decent results.

~Rosie~
 
I have alot of weight to lose (65 to 70Lbs to go)... Could I use one of these and get results or is it for those who are just trying to add definition / cuts on certain areas?

I wanna get rid of the belly, thigh fat and chest area... Any advice would be appreciated.. Thanks in advance
 
Eviscerate is a mess to apply topically. The stuff never comes off your hands. I wash multiple times with grease cutting dish detergent after applying it, and I still end up burning my groin when I pee. It could be hours later. Dermatherm applies much better and is easier to wash off.
 
pittguy578 said:
Eviscerate is a mess to apply topically. The stuff never comes off your hands. I wash multiple times with grease cutting dish detergent after applying it, and I still end up burning my groin when I pee. It could be hours later. Dermatherm applies much better and is easier to wash off.
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Good to know! Your move, Genomyx! lol
 
want2lose said:
I have alot of weight to lose (65 to 70Lbs to go)... Could I use one of these and get results or is it for those who are just trying to add definition / cuts on certain areas?

I wanna get rid of the belly, thigh fat and chest area... Any advice would be appreciated.. Thanks in advance
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If you have 65-70 pounds to lose, a topical is definitely NOT the product for you.

If YOU want results, look at your NUTRITION AND TRAINING.

I also recommend reading Invalid Link Removed for comprehensive advice and information on nutrition, supplementation (only the Invalid Link Removed required), and training for effective and successful fat loss.


pittguy578 said:
Eviscerate is a mess to apply topically. The stuff never comes off your hands. I wash multiple times with grease cutting dish detergent after applying it, and I still end up burning my groin when I pee. It could be hours later. Dermatherm applies much better and is easier to wash off.
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Eviscerate can be a nuisance to get off your hands, yes, and linger for a long time afterwards, especially if you have cuts, etc. on your hands. Applying shea and cocoa butter before using soap when washing your hands after application helps in getting the Eviscerate off your hands.

~Rosie~
 
I have good results with Dermatherm Target, but would love to try Eviscerate.
 
fightbackhxc said:
I have good results with Dermatherm Target, but would love to try Eviscerate.
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Eviscerate is in a different league altogether re effects and results.
 
This might be a stupid question, but are there particular ingredients in these topicals that might work better in some areas than others? IE, XZY works more efficiently around the chest area to where ABC works better around obliques.
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
If you have 65-70 pounds to lose, a topical is definitely NOT the product for you.

If YOU want results, look at your NUTRITION AND TRAINING.
~Rosie~
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I could be wrong here, but i would assume that this guy knows hell still need to be at a calorie deficit. I think hes just wondering if this will speed up the process.

It's actually a good question, that could be refrased as "Dose this stuff have to be applied to fat that is farely close to the muscle before it can do ANYTHING.
 
kingdong said:
I could be wrong here, but i would assume that this guy knows hell still need to be at a calorie deficit. I think hes just wondering if this will speed up the process.

It's actually a good question, that could be refrased as "Dose this stuff have to be applied to fat that is farely close to the muscle before it can do ANYTHING.
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Whether he knows or not is irrelevant - with 65-70 pounds to lose, he doesn't need to be looking anywhere but at the basic staples alongside the RIGHT NUTRITION AND TRAINING. Topicals are better used and most effective by those who are ALREADY relatively lean and just want to get that bit leaner - the same goes, IMO, for ALL "fat burning" products.

~Rosie~
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
Whether he knows or not is irrelevant - with 65-70 pounds to lose, he doesn't need to be looking anywhere but at the basic staples alongside the RIGHT NUTRITION AND TRAINING. Topicals are better used and most effective by those who are ALREADY relatively lean and just want to get that bit leaner - the same goes, IMO, for ALL "fat burning" products.

~Rosie~
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I see where your coming from, but Im not so sure that the product "just won't activate" for a person has a little more to lose.

I had an injury that really messed me up, and for abought two years, I would get up, do a hundred pushups, maby do some walking and be done with it. I also got little fat during this period. When I finally got back into real training, I swear that useig a crappy preworkout with yohimbine made a huge difference in how much fat I lost. I wouldnt advise this because I think my BP got dangerously high, but I really did seem to burn fat with training better than at any other time.

Could just be the whole "body responding well to training in the first few months" thing.
 
kingdong said:
I see where your coming from, but Im not so sure that the product "just won't activate" for a person has a little more to lose.

I had an injury that really messed me up, and for abought two years, I would get up, do a hundred pushups, maby do some walking and be done with it. I also got little fat during this period. When I finally got back into real training, I swear that useig a crappy preworkout with yohimbine made a huge difference in how much fat I lost. I wouldnt advise this because I think my BP got dangerously high, but I really did seem to burn fat with training better than at any other time.

Could just be the whole "body responding well to training in the first few months" thing.
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We'll agree to disagree here, then.

If you hadn't been training in a long time and got back into it, then yes, you will see results faster. And if you're anything like me and TRAINING is the factor that MAKES the difference to your results, then this is very true.

~Rosie~
 
Most of the primary ingredients in these topicals were tested on obese individuals...not lean subjects. So to say they work better on lean individuals is actually unsubstantiated.
 
want2lose said:
I have alot of weight to lose (65 to 70Lbs to go)... Could I use one of these and get results or is it for those who are just trying to add definition / cuts on certain areas?

I wanna get rid of the belly, thigh fat and chest area... Any advice would be appreciated.. Thanks in advance
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Have you lost a ton of weight before? If so, maby you should try doing it again with a transdermal and let us know how it goes!
 
kingdong said:
Have you lost a ton of weight before? If so, maby you should try doing it again with a transdermal and let us know how it goes!
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I would say a ton, lol. But I have lost as much as 60 pounds in the past when I was in my early 20's

I don't want to use any stims because my wife and I are trying to have a baby. So I was looking into a topical along with basic vitamins, calorie deficit and training to help me shape up before summer.

I just wanted to boost the areas that bother me. I have skinny legs and arms. Stomach, chest and thighs is where I'd like to apply this if it would be somewhat effective
 
want2lose said:
I would say a ton, lol. But I have lost as much as 60 pounds in the past when I was in my early 20's

I don't want to use any stims because my wife and I are trying to have a baby. So I was looking into a topical along with basic vitamins, calorie deficit and training to help me shape up before summer.

I just wanted to boost the areas that bother me. I have skinny legs and arms. Stomach, chest and thighs is where I'd like to apply this if it would be somewhat effective
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Well, when your halfway cut, it might make a visible difference. right now, although it may help brn some fat, I doubt that the target effect will be to visible.
 
Are there any stimulants in these products that would not be recommended for someone who is trying to have kids? Wife and I are trying.
 
want2lose said:
Are there any stimulants in these products that would not be recommended for someone who is trying to have kids? Wife and I are trying.
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At first glance it's tempting to say "Youll be fine". However I doubt that the research is even out there.
 
Jorsn said:
Has anyone used patrick arnold's prototype nutrition 7-spray or 11-kt spray?
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Without ignoring the above question, I would also like to ask, dose Eviscerate have a smell issue? Is this something I don't whant on me when talking to a lady?
 
kingdong said:
Without ignoring the above question, I would also like to ask, dose Eviscerate have a smell issue? Is this something I don't whant on me when talking to a lady?
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It smells like coffee a little, but the scent goes away.
 
Rosie Chee Scott said:
We'll agree to disagree here, then.

If you hadn't been training in a long time and got back into it, then yes, you will see results faster. And if you're anything like me and TRAINING is the factor that MAKES the difference to your results, then this is very true.

~Rosie~
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What it seems to me is, as long as he is not solely relying on this as his wieght loss catalyst, he should be fine.

If a person is morbidly obese and is determined to lose weight, has diet in check, is working out to full capacity, and has loads and loads of money to spend, where money isn't an issue, or heck, sometimes even for the placebo effect and confidence booster, why not use stuff like this as well.

I don't agree with people that consider these magic pills (or rub on this case) but if they are doing everything possible and are just looking for an extra edge and have the means for it I don't see why not.
 
bla55 said:
What it seems to me is, as long as he is not solely relying on this as his wieght loss catalyst, he should be fine.

If a person is morbidly obese and is determined to lose weight, has diet in check, is working out to full capacity, and has loads and loads of money to spend, where money isn't an issue, or heck, sometimes even for the placebo effect and confidence booster, why not use stuff like this as well.

I don't agree with people that consider these magic pills (or rub on this case) but if they are doing everything possible and are just looking for an extra edge and have the means for it I don't see why not.
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I wish I had loads of money lol! But when it comes to my health and well being I won't be cheap and budget my spending. I'd rather be broke and healthy than rich and sick.

If topicals can add an extra edge and produce some kind of visible result of spot reduction on my body type it's a win win situation
 
want2lose said:
I wish I had loads of money lol! But when it comes to my health and well being I won't be cheap and budget my spending. I'd rather be broke and healthy than rich and sick.

If topicals can add an extra edge and produce some kind of visible result of spot reduction on my body type it's a win win situation
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If you don't have a lot of money to spare then stay away from any topical because it will be a money very poorly spent; you can get much better and faster results by other means and save the money to use later on when most of the fat has already been lost by good diet and training.
 
stxnas said:
This might be a stupid question, but are there particular ingredients in these topicals that might work better in some areas than others? IE, XZY works more efficiently around the chest area to where ABC works better around obliques.
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Was my question stupid or did it just get buried :thinking:
 
stxnas said:
Was my question stupid or did it just get buried :thinking:
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For the most part, ingredients such as Yohimbine work most effectively where A2 receptors are most dense - for example a woman's butt/hips/thigh area.

If we had anti-estrogenic or highly androgenic compounds included, they would work very effectively around the pec area in men.

Cortisol reducing compounds (glycyrrhetinic acid, green coffee bean, etc) work around the midsection to control VAT.

Other than that, the ingredients are pretty much non-area specific, which is why Eviscerate works so badass on arms, shoulders, etc as well as abdominal fat.
 
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