I know my name's not Josh but:
For me it took time to see the physique changes. Measuring the gains is better exemplified through numbers in a workout over the mirror until later on. If you decide to run 2 bottles itll be pretty dramatic start to finish. The recovery aid, especially during sleep, is immediate and significant. As for fatigue its non existant. You should feel as though your getting the most of your nutrient intake. Muscle bellies appear satiated and full with little hanging around outside. One easy test is think of a food you would eat at dinner that would cause for some less impressive morning appearance, where Ive discovered that IGF can overcome this. ie.: A high sodium diet that day doesnt bloat me like before. I have taken it in conjunction with HGHUp but dont find it necessary. If youd like to, by all means try - it certainly wont hurt. The two are rather similar but I like to think of it like this: HGHUp = cut, IGF2 = bulk. Pair the two if youre in the game for dry growth or preservation. I could run Lipo-PM year round: I just think its awesome for health reasons.