If you want to HELP out Matt/CNW!!!!

Guys, I'm going to post this at Ironmagazine and Conversionboard.
This could not have happened to a better guy! Lets do what we can.
 
DamianL said:
I'm sure he is, and I'm sure my problem is tiny compared to his, but I was just starting to beat this gyno and my supplies ran out last night. I'm scared about a rebound.
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Well, bad news, if what he is in trouble for is the grey area stuff then you may never get it. One of our other board supports sells things of that nature or you could try some ATD.
 
cable626 said:
First Matt took down the Juggernaut Nutrition products, and now bodybuilding.com says that the WHOLE BRAND has been discontinued:
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Why is Juggernaut completely gone? I was told there were contamination issues but I don't believe that is whole story or even partly true. Does anyone have any more info without stepping on Matt's toes?
 
DamianL said:
Has anyone recieved products oredered from CNW in the last 2 weeks? He's usually pretty quick so I'm afraid its never coming.
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I ordered on 09/02/05 and received my order 09/09/05.

I've never had so much stuff, my first order very cool stuff, hope to order lots more...
 
i talkd to matt and he told me hes still selling, but the website is down.

im not donating money but ill be happy to buy in bulk from his store.

anyone know when the sites gonna be back up and what products....

if not i need to find another supply which sucks because cnw had alot of stuff thats worth it in bulk
 
Is there any way to get a hold of him to check order status? If it doesn't come today I'm going to have to call my credit card company and cancel.
 
DamianL said:
Is there any way to get a hold of him to check order status? If it doesn't come today I'm going to have to call my credit card company and cancel.
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How long have you been waiting?
 
2.5 weeks. In the past it's taken about 5 days. Problem is I don't even need the product anymore. I needed it then.
 
sirlordford said:
Why is Juggernaut completely gone? I was told there were contamination issues but I don't believe that is whole story or even partly true. Does anyone have any more info without stepping on Matt's toes?
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No contamination issues, legal issues.
 
I sincerely mean this is a concerned way, not a negative one. I fully support Matt and the effort to help him out financially due to his legal burden; and yes, that means I'll be contributing monies myself too. However, to say that it's not going to be made known how much is need and/or how much is collected is not good in my view. Are we just supposed to continually collect funds with no goal in mind? I think if you're asking people to donate (in any capacity for any reason) you have to tell them at least a vague idea of how the funds are being used and what the need is.

Perhaps a percentage or a meter (like the United Way 'thermometer' deal we sometimes see) would be a good idea, without revealing specific dollar amounts, etc. I don't know the solution, frankly, and don't mean to complicate anything or sound negative about the whole thing, but I think its a valid point.
 
shootmeagain said:
I sincerely mean this is a concerned way, not a negative one. I fully support Matt and the effort to help him out financially due to his legal burden; and yes, that means I'll be contributing monies myself too. However, to say that it's not going to be made known how much is need and/or how much is collected is not good in my view. Are we just supposed to continually collect funds with no goal in mind? I think if you're asking people to donate (in any capacity for any reason) you have to tell them at least a vague idea of how the funds are being used and what the need is.

Perhaps a percentage or a meter (like the United Way 'thermometer' deal we sometimes see) would be a good idea, without revealing specific dollar amounts, etc. I don't know the solution, frankly, and don't mean to complicate anything or sound negative about the whole thing, but I think its a valid point.
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You were told:

Any donation would be helpful as his attorney's fee's are VERY VERY High! (price of a new escalade just to take the case but you didn't hear it form me!)
 
The dilemma with revealing specific amounts is that while some would see X amount and be motivated to give more, others (many others it is feared) would simply see an impossible goal and would decide not to contribute.
I will probably talk with him today about giving out a percentage. I think we should do something as the donations have all but stopped, as though most just ran out of steam or perhaps are awaiting further funds.
If you have questions about your order, I see no reason why emailing him should be a problem: [email protected]. Last I checked his email was working.
 
houseman said:
You were told:

Any donation would be helpful as his attorney's fee's are VERY VERY High! (price of a new escalade just to take the case but you didn't hear it form me!)
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Yes, we were told that. That he needs financial assistance, and that he needs a lot of it, is a given. That doesn't speak to the point I was raising. Ultimately, there may be no good way to 'track progress' or for those in charge to 'report' to us and, if so, so be it; but I think it ought to be considered that will be a limiting factor in long-term (and high dollar) fund raising efforts.
 
shootmeagain said:
I sincerely mean this is a concerned way, not a negative one. I fully support Matt and the effort to help him out financially due to his legal burden; and yes, that means I'll be contributing monies myself too. However, to say that it's not going to be made known how much is need and/or how much is collected is not good in my view. Are we just supposed to continually collect funds with no goal in mind? I think if you're asking people to donate (in any capacity for any reason) you have to tell them at least a vague idea of how the funds are being used and what the need is.

Perhaps a percentage or a meter (like the United Way 'thermometer' deal we sometimes see) would be a good idea, without revealing specific dollar amounts, etc. I don't know the solution, frankly, and don't mean to complicate anything or sound negative about the whole thing, but I think its a valid point.
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I agree with SMA 100%. Its hard to help someone if you dont know how much is given and how much is needed. A bunch. Ok, where do we stand? We dont need a dollar amout but a percentage would be helpful. Us continuing to throw out money without knowing its impact is on the border of retarded.
 
Hmm... well, I didn't put it in those terms. My point is borne out of concern that collections and help for Matt will stall without being able to show progress, etc. And I concede that I don't have the answer as to what to do about it... however, I believe CrownedOne already inidicated that donations have, in fact, slowed/stopped.
 
the best way for matt to make money is for his site to start selling all the good products he once had. but right now that might be very difficult for him to accomplish.
 
Also, consider that once the site goes back up, Matt may not be as incredibly fast as we all remember and love. A great deal of his time is spent dealing with these legal problems.
 
For those still waiting: It took a little longer for me to get what I ordered before the site went down, but if he has sent you an email saying it has shipped, then the problem should be with the courier as it was with my order.
 
This is from an email Matt sent me:
On the site, the attorneys want to look over everything with great detail just to be safe, so it may be another week or so before I can safely sell anything again.

Also, he told me to go ahead and give a percentage and from my math we're at ~10%. This is more speculation than anything because even Matt is unsure of the amount of the fines he may have to pay.

We both continue to ask for fervent prayer as prison time is a very real possibility for Matt. The feds to not appear to be letting up on him, but God has the ability to do whatever He wants. Let us make it abundantly clear with prayer that we do not want this for Matt. Please, as often as you can manage, pray for God's abundant mercy in this matter.
 
i donated $25 to the cause. Ive ordered from matt at least a few times, and i have always been pleased. i cant afford to give more straight out of pocket (the $25 actually came from part of my college loans), but there is some stuff i need to order for this coming track season, and would prefer to purchase it from the custom nutrition warehouse.

but i have been thinking, besides donating money, perhaps there is more that we as a community can do? he is apparently dealing with the government, so it would seem that some sort of public response from our community might be able to have an effect. maybe not an extreme one such as getting all charges dropped, but perhaps at least reduced charges, or in the very unfortunate case, reduced sentencing...
there are 16, 000 members here at am.com, if even only a quarter of them were to do something such as write a letter to the proper authority, that would be 4,000 people voicing their opinion and support of matt...

just some more ideas
 
Feel like a cheap bastard, but I put $25 on it. Hopefully after I pay my bills and everything, i'll be able to throw a little more in.
 
I would like to know exactly what they are charging him with for what particular product.


Some of us may be in possesion of an illegal substance and not even know it.

Other board supporters may be selling the same or very similar product and could end up in the exact same situation as he is in.

Just my opinions


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CrimsonOsiris said:
i donated $25 to the cause. Ive ordered from matt at least a few times, and i have always been pleased. i cant afford to give more straight out of pocket (the $25 actually came from part of my college loans), but there is some stuff i need to order for this coming track season, and would prefer to purchase it from the custom nutrition warehouse.

but i have been thinking, besides donating money, perhaps there is more that we as a community can do? he is apparently dealing with the government, so it would seem that some sort of public response from our community might be able to have an effect. maybe not an extreme one such as getting all charges dropped, but perhaps at least reduced charges, or in the very unfortunate case, reduced sentencing...
there are 16, 000 members here at am.com, if even only a quarter of them were to do something such as write a letter to the proper authority, that would be 4,000 people voicing their opinion and support of matt...

just some more ideas
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I really like this idea of writing a letter to the involved authority, I dont see how it could hurt anything at least. Man this really sucks for Matt, he truly is a good guy and then the gov't has to get stupid about something so meniscule. He is in my prayers.

Damiani- I ordered 2 bottles of nolva about 1-2 days before this all went down and was pulled from the site. I got the email that said it was shipped, but still yet to recieve it. I needed it really bad then too, but he has alot going on so I understand, and I was able to have a somethings on hand to make due with. It will come.
 
HORRIBLE idea IMO stay out of it and let his lawyer do what he is getting paid to do.

All that could do is provoke the DEA to confiscate his computers, if they haven't already, and make an example of everyone who ordered whatever they are saying is illegal, if that is what is going on.


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Yea but bro your heart is in the right spot.

Sorry I came off sounding harsh.





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Oh its cool, just after reading that there is possible jail time involved, I felt there had to be something that could be done to help. But after reading what you said about it, that makes perfect sense.
 
I think the letter writing is a good idea. I think the pressure of the letters will show Matt has support. I also think the DEA will fail. They are trying to build a case against him selling "research chems", regardless of what people do with them when they get them. Plenty of sights sells "research chems" and are still operating. Granted, I dont know what this is about, but if it is about Ralox, the DEA is going to have one heck of a time proving anyone was injesting it anymore than other "research chems". As for the DEA confiscating Matts computers and going after the people that ordered whatever they are looking for, they have zero proof that they ever received anything and would have to obtain a search warrant at that. Then build a case, seems highly unlikely.

Edit :This is JMO.
 
Of course if its illegal to sell it, that is another story entirely.
 
Ghosting said:
I think the letter writing is a good idea. I think the pressure of the letters will show Matt has support. I also think the DEA will fail. They are trying to build a case against him selling "research chems", regardless of what people do with them when they get them. Plenty of sights sells "research chems" and are still operating. Granted, I dont know what this is about, but if it is about Ralox, the DEA is going to have one heck of a time proving anyone was injesting it anymore than other "research chems". As for the DEA confiscating Matts computers and going after the people that ordered whatever they are looking for, they have zero proof that they ever received anything and would have to obtain a search warrant at that. Then build a case, seems highly unlikely.

Edit :This is JMO.
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I didn't know they were trying to get him for selling research chems.

Well that is not good.

Do a search for research chems Collins and take a look at what the atty said back 3 years ago.

You sell something you say is for research and unlike real research companies you advertise it on Bodybuilding boards that is not good.

The govt will say you knew what it was going to be used for. Then they can try and get you for mail fraud also if anyone sent in a check or money order or if you sent your items via the USPS.

If orders where taken over the internet they can try and get you on the 195os something wire fraud law.

I hope Matt at least contacted Collins about all this as I would think this would be the guy to go to.


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keep buying from CNW. That's the best support you can give. Well, a donation if you are able to do so, and are so inclined.
 
Made a donation and I will purchase some product as well. I dealt with Matt when I had my Nutri-Sport store in Indy and he is a class guy. Hope this ****, comes out alright.
 
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