Brocodeout69
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Okay, I'm relatively new, and will probably take some heat for this, but I've been consuming raw eggs, approximately 6 a day for the past 2 years and it's been fantastic.
I've noticed that the concept of eating raw eggs has come back more into the mainstream (okay, relative mainstream) with the so-called "Raw Egg Nationalist" even being featured on Tucker Carlson's "The End of Men" documentary, so I figured I'd take a consensus on everyone's opinion here on the practice.
Before you start shaking your head and talking about the bioavailability of protein, Tucker Carlson, and the cherry-picking of studies please see my points/opinions below.
Honestly, I'm not looking for a political debate, just a civil discussion with everyone's thoughts on the consumption of raw eggs. For, or against, and why.
Here's my brief points on the subject:
-Salmonella infection isn't as big of a deal as it's out made to be, IF and only IF, your eggs are sourced from a clean and hygienic facility. I live in a very rural area, and for about a year purchased all my farm fresh, organic, non-soy, non-corn fed, completely free-range chicken eggs from local Amish farmers. I never had an issue despite eating approximately 2,200 raw eggs per year, only with raw milk (that's a another thread altogether). However, I soon realized that I was spending to much money on eggs, so I actually ended up purchasing and raising my own chickens, and it's a been a fun, family oriented experience, which has actually saved me a bunch of money in the long-term.
Obviously, factory farmed, mass produced "Wal-Mart" type eggs shouldn't be consumed raw as the food processing facilities, and safety practices, are disgusting and atrocious, and I actually feel bad for how poorly the animals are treated. I'm not a hippie by any meaning of the word, but how a people and country treats animals, from my humble opinion, is a huge reflection on said people and/or nation. According to this Invalid Link Removed, out of the 69 billion eggs produced each year, an estimated average of 0.000959% resulted in human illness. I'd wager that most of the cases of illness were from very unhygienic facilities with poor food handling processes (paraphrase).
-The old trope that the cooking of eggs increases the bioavailability of protein is being dispelled (okay, reviews and studies on this are mixed). From my understanding, and science guys please correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the notions surrounding the bioavailability of cooked eggs being superior to raw eggs comes from this study from Invalid Link Removed and some more current, contemporary research has contradicted this. For instance, this study from Invalid Link Removed which concludes that heating egg whites (the major source of protein in any egg) has no effect on net protein utilization. Or this study from Invalid Link Removed which writes that the consumption of raw eggs, post-exercise as "...opposed to boiled, eggs attenuates the postprandial rise in circulating essential amino acid concentrations"; implying there is some benefit. Being transparent, the study also declared that "post-exercise muscle protein synthesis rates do not differ after ingestion of 5 raw versus 5 boiled eggs in healthy young men."
-Then there is the notion that dietary cholesterol will kill you, and this is a notion that just won't seem to die in popular mainstream, or even the medical community. As this Invalid Link Removed study (and numerous other studies show, search PubMed), although "Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is the leading cause of death in the United States. For years, dietary cholesterol was implicated in increasing blood cholesterol levels leading to the elevated risk of CVD. To date, extensive research did not show evidence to support a role of dietary cholesterol in the development of CVD."
In short, eggs and in relation to increased "bad" cholesterol levels, a great deal of more contemporary research posits that eggs "Invalid Link Removed I've always lived by the notion that cholesterol is the building block of testosterone, so I've always consumed a lot of eggs.
Anecdotally speaking, my cholesterol values were "just fine" (as per my Doc and blood work, i.e., they were within range for a 36 year old male in good shape) prior to my incorporation and consumption of raw eggs into my diet circa 2020. However, my cholesterol levels, and blood triglyceride levels have actually improved over the past 2 years, specifically my HDL levels have increased, while my LDL levels have decreased, as have my overall blood triglyceride levels. Obviously, other factors come into play, like I've decreased alcohol consumption to once per week, and I've been more strict on my diet and training regime, but my main point being that eating at least 6 raw eggs a day, and oftentimes, 6-8 whole cooked eggs on top of that, daily for my first or second meal, hasn't negatively effected my cholesterol levels.
-There are some downsides, like the anti-nutrients in raw egg whites, like avidin and trypsin inhibitors, which inhibit the absorption of biotin, one of the B vitamins. On occasion, usually twice a week, I'll just consume raw egg yolks, and I also supplement with injectable vitamin B, and glycine to counteract any potential micronutrient downfalls, but to date my hair and nails have been better (anecdotally speaking from my observation) than they were prior to my eating of raw eggs.
-And last observation, I actually followed the great Vince Gironda's "Hormone Precursor Diet" last year, eating 36 raw eggs a day, and two meals with approximately 0.50 - 1.0 lb of meat and veggies per day, and had some tremendous, steroid cycle like gains. Obviously, the gains would be comparable to a mild cycle, like epiandrosterone, but I was able to lose weight, and actually gain strength while eating extremely low carb. I actually felt great, but it wasn't something I would do long-term (Vince did not recommend this either).
I know that Vince Gironda is a bit of a controversial figure in bodybuilding & fitness circles because of some his ideas, and personality (like calling Arnold Schwarzenegger a "fat fu*k" to his face, then eventually helping to train him), but his diet worked for me, personally.
Please let the flaming being!
I've noticed that the concept of eating raw eggs has come back more into the mainstream (okay, relative mainstream) with the so-called "Raw Egg Nationalist" even being featured on Tucker Carlson's "The End of Men" documentary, so I figured I'd take a consensus on everyone's opinion here on the practice.
Before you start shaking your head and talking about the bioavailability of protein, Tucker Carlson, and the cherry-picking of studies please see my points/opinions below.
Honestly, I'm not looking for a political debate, just a civil discussion with everyone's thoughts on the consumption of raw eggs. For, or against, and why.
Here's my brief points on the subject:
-Salmonella infection isn't as big of a deal as it's out made to be, IF and only IF, your eggs are sourced from a clean and hygienic facility. I live in a very rural area, and for about a year purchased all my farm fresh, organic, non-soy, non-corn fed, completely free-range chicken eggs from local Amish farmers. I never had an issue despite eating approximately 2,200 raw eggs per year, only with raw milk (that's a another thread altogether). However, I soon realized that I was spending to much money on eggs, so I actually ended up purchasing and raising my own chickens, and it's a been a fun, family oriented experience, which has actually saved me a bunch of money in the long-term.
Obviously, factory farmed, mass produced "Wal-Mart" type eggs shouldn't be consumed raw as the food processing facilities, and safety practices, are disgusting and atrocious, and I actually feel bad for how poorly the animals are treated. I'm not a hippie by any meaning of the word, but how a people and country treats animals, from my humble opinion, is a huge reflection on said people and/or nation. According to this Invalid Link Removed, out of the 69 billion eggs produced each year, an estimated average of 0.000959% resulted in human illness. I'd wager that most of the cases of illness were from very unhygienic facilities with poor food handling processes (paraphrase).
-The old trope that the cooking of eggs increases the bioavailability of protein is being dispelled (okay, reviews and studies on this are mixed). From my understanding, and science guys please correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the notions surrounding the bioavailability of cooked eggs being superior to raw eggs comes from this study from Invalid Link Removed and some more current, contemporary research has contradicted this. For instance, this study from Invalid Link Removed which concludes that heating egg whites (the major source of protein in any egg) has no effect on net protein utilization. Or this study from Invalid Link Removed which writes that the consumption of raw eggs, post-exercise as "...opposed to boiled, eggs attenuates the postprandial rise in circulating essential amino acid concentrations"; implying there is some benefit. Being transparent, the study also declared that "post-exercise muscle protein synthesis rates do not differ after ingestion of 5 raw versus 5 boiled eggs in healthy young men."
-Then there is the notion that dietary cholesterol will kill you, and this is a notion that just won't seem to die in popular mainstream, or even the medical community. As this Invalid Link Removed study (and numerous other studies show, search PubMed), although "Cardiovascular disease (CVD) is the leading cause of death in the United States. For years, dietary cholesterol was implicated in increasing blood cholesterol levels leading to the elevated risk of CVD. To date, extensive research did not show evidence to support a role of dietary cholesterol in the development of CVD."
In short, eggs and in relation to increased "bad" cholesterol levels, a great deal of more contemporary research posits that eggs "Invalid Link Removed I've always lived by the notion that cholesterol is the building block of testosterone, so I've always consumed a lot of eggs.
Anecdotally speaking, my cholesterol values were "just fine" (as per my Doc and blood work, i.e., they were within range for a 36 year old male in good shape) prior to my incorporation and consumption of raw eggs into my diet circa 2020. However, my cholesterol levels, and blood triglyceride levels have actually improved over the past 2 years, specifically my HDL levels have increased, while my LDL levels have decreased, as have my overall blood triglyceride levels. Obviously, other factors come into play, like I've decreased alcohol consumption to once per week, and I've been more strict on my diet and training regime, but my main point being that eating at least 6 raw eggs a day, and oftentimes, 6-8 whole cooked eggs on top of that, daily for my first or second meal, hasn't negatively effected my cholesterol levels.
-There are some downsides, like the anti-nutrients in raw egg whites, like avidin and trypsin inhibitors, which inhibit the absorption of biotin, one of the B vitamins. On occasion, usually twice a week, I'll just consume raw egg yolks, and I also supplement with injectable vitamin B, and glycine to counteract any potential micronutrient downfalls, but to date my hair and nails have been better (anecdotally speaking from my observation) than they were prior to my eating of raw eggs.
-And last observation, I actually followed the great Vince Gironda's "Hormone Precursor Diet" last year, eating 36 raw eggs a day, and two meals with approximately 0.50 - 1.0 lb of meat and veggies per day, and had some tremendous, steroid cycle like gains. Obviously, the gains would be comparable to a mild cycle, like epiandrosterone, but I was able to lose weight, and actually gain strength while eating extremely low carb. I actually felt great, but it wasn't something I would do long-term (Vince did not recommend this either).
I know that Vince Gironda is a bit of a controversial figure in bodybuilding & fitness circles because of some his ideas, and personality (like calling Arnold Schwarzenegger a "fat fu*k" to his face, then eventually helping to train him), but his diet worked for me, personally.
Please let the flaming being!
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