How to "pulse" orals

550lbdinosaur said:
I'm going to do a cut/recomp with a straight cycle of Hdrol and this summer after PCT and some off time I'm going to start the Anabolic Diet and pulse on my once a week carb-up. What do people think about this plan:

Sun-Friday: low carb, no PH
Saturday: 6am training, 7am 10mg Epi/90mg M1,4ADD 9am 10mg Epi/90mg M14AD (I would dose before training but this is going to be an endurance/conditioning session and I don't want back/calf pumps while I'm trying to hoof it.)

The plan is to hit 100g of carb powder 45 minutes or so after the first dose and keep slamming carbs to the tune of 500-800g for the next 8 hours, then turn it off. I would probably run high dose tribulus and Cycle Assist for the next 5 days, startign with that night.

I picked this stack because I want to garner the increased LH and GH from these too orals at the same time as I'm peaking my insulin. I want to make sure my doses are aggressive, but not ridiculous, do they look alright? I'm not that worried about sides on a once a week pulse, but does this seem safe as far as gyno/estrogen rebound go?
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Once a week sounds kind of... not ideal if you ask me. Im not sure of the half life on epi or m1,4add but I would have to assume it would have completely cleared your system within a couple days
 
New to the forum, just wanted to get some basic feedback. I'm 34 y/o, training for 17 yrs, competing in powerlifting the last 4 yrs. I've never taken any hormone-related supplement before. I have some Epi and SD. I'll be pulsing these as I want minimize risks and side effects. Plus I'm patient enough to wait for slower more modest gains. I'm primarily interested in strength, but some added lean body mass would be OK.
I train 4 days/week (M, Tu, Fri, Sat).
What would be the best doses for a 4 d/week pulse using one or a combo of both compounds? (Remember I'm 285#)
What would be the best way to cycle up to my next competition?
Thanks.
 
Doc Holliday said:
It seems to me that if you pulsed 3 days a week, say monday-wed-fri, then the best time to NOT pulse is on your leg day. Now that is unless your legs are a really weak body part that you are trying to bring up, I think that might merit a pulse on that day. The reasoning behind no pulse on leg day is that a hard leg workout induces hormone release and the pulse might interfere with ones own natural test release for that workout. This has been my reasoning. Anyone else agree or disagree?
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I recommend Pulse on leg day

I work out MWF and I'm only pulsing on leg day (one day a week) (SD 20mg) I'm loving it.

Straight leg DL/ DL/ Squats/ Calves

I'm training harder and recover faster.

I like the focus, sensations of well being, increased aggressiveness and greater tolerance to stress.

I want to utilise heightened protein metabolism, and glycogen replacement.

I want to block the effects of hormones such as cortisol involved in tissue breakdown during and after heavy exercise.

Some research suggests intense leg training can stimulate growth in your chest, back and arms ... Squats increase growth as they utilise use numerous muscles and stimulate more muscle fibres than a leg extension. The greater the fibre recruitment, the greater the potential growth and development in the muscle. The more muscles used in an exercise like the squat the more the muscle fibres are stimulated.

I want that to take place in my anabolic envelope.

I take SD at 3:30 and workout at 5pm sleep like a dog and feel ok day after. I have been doing this for a few weeks and smashing all previous bests?

I'm 42 so naturally occurring hormones may not be as high as once were. So loss of little natural test may be slight.

Whatever you do, do it safely

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SRS2000 said:
New to the forum, just wanted to get some basic feedback. I'm 34 y/o, training for 17 yrs, competing in powerlifting the last 4 yrs. I've never taken any hormone-related supplement before. I have some Epi and SD. I'll be pulsing these as I want minimize risks and side effects. Plus I'm patient enough to wait for slower more modest gains. I'm primarily interested in strength, but some added lean body mass would be OK.
I train 4 days/week (M, Tu, Fri, Sat).
What would be the best doses for a 4 d/week pulse using one or a combo of both compounds? (Remember I'm 285#)
What would be the best way to cycle up to my next competition?
Thanks.
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I would start at 20 epi and 10 mgs super. The see what that is doing. If you need to up it bring the sd to 20mgs. You will probably need to upp it more because of your size. I would try to get the most gains out of each dose before upping it.
 
Thats another interesting point of view. I suppose look at the facts, the pluses and the minuses and make your own decision. Leg day is definitely the most strenuous day of the workout cycle though thats a fact.
 
Doc Holliday said:
Thats another interesting point of view. I suppose look at the facts, the pluses and the minuses and make your own decision. Leg day is definitely the most strenuous day of the workout cycle though thats a fact.
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One thing to keep in mind is that any hormone surge from resistance exercise is pretty transient. I've read nearly all the research in this area since I studied the hormone response to exercise for my Master's thesis. In most cases, testosterone concentrations were elevated after exercise but returned to baseline within 60 minutes. Even with a prohormone/steroid with a relatively short half-life, the magnitude and length of elevated "hormone" levels would be substantially more than any hormone surge with exercise. Also remember that nearly all the increase in hormone concentrations from exercise are due to plasma volume shifts and hemoconcentration. There is little evidence to suggest any actual increase in hormone output.
This is not meant to discredit your idea or opinion, just some things to keep in mind when considering the best option for yourself.
 
SRS2000 said:
One thing to keep in mind is that any hormone surge from resistance exercise is pretty transient. I've read nearly all the research in this area since I studied the hormone response to exercise for my Master's thesis. In most cases, testosterone concentrations were elevated after exercise but returned to baseline within 60 minutes. Even with a prohormone/steroid with a relatively short half-life, the magnitude and length of elevated "hormone" levels would be substantially more than any hormone surge with exercise. Also remember that nearly all the increase in hormone concentrations from exercise are due to plasma volume shifts and hemoconcentration. There is little evidence to suggest any actual increase in hormone output.
This is not meant to discredit your idea or opinion, just some things to keep in mind when considering the best option for yourself.
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Interesting. Yes, I havent done nearly as much research on it and am going on "word of mouth" so I enjoyed your post.
 
4-ad on a pulse?

Anyone know what the half-life of 4-ad is and/or if it would be good to use on a pulse? I still have some of the original Ergopharm stuff stashed away in my freezer (not sure if it's still good as it expired April/07) and am trying to figure out how I can use it up. Specifically, I'm thinking 2 caps (i.e. 600mg) pre-workout and maybe 10-20mg of SD post-workout. What do you guys think? It wouldn't be until the fall however as I'm currently in the middle of a 2 day a week Havoc pulse.
 
Ninjo said:
Anyone know what the half-life of 4-ad is and/or if it would be good to use on a pulse? I still have some of the original Ergopharm stuff stashed away in my freezer (not sure if it's still good as it expired April/07) and am trying to figure out how I can use it up. Specifically, I'm thinking 2 caps (i.e. 600mg) pre-workout and maybe 10-20mg of SD post-workout. What do you guys think? It wouldn't be until the fall however as I'm currently in the middle of a 2 day a week Havoc pulse.
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heard that isn't a good idea but not sure.
 
Hi guys I am on my 5th and final week of my Havoc pulse now. I am still showing no signs of shutdown and have put on 7 pounds of weight and appear leaner. Great success so far. This sunday will be my last day taking havoc before starting Mass FX and Hyperdrol X2. I was wondering should I start the Mass FX and Hyperdrol X2 immediately on the Monday? Or maybe overlap by starting sooner? Or should I leave a few days? Finally should I take a week out using something like Nolvadex just to help bring up naturally produced levels?

I'm thinking I just start it on the Monday but wondering what was the best option. Whilst I am experiencing no shutdown on this pulse I am aware that my natural test production could well be lower afterwards so I want to do what i can to avoid that. Will this Mass FX course of 4 weeks help in that department or will it only suppress my own natural ability to make it for myself? Thanks guys I am eager to hear the responses and opinions.
 
I have a question for you guys,

would acne be more a problem on a normal cycle than on a pulse?
Im doing epi at the moment, and really thinking of switching to every day intake.
im doing 150mg zinc ed atm, and the there seem to be no real problems.
 
Ninjo said:
Anyone know what the half-life of 4-ad is and/or if it would be good to use on a pulse? I still have some of the original Ergopharm stuff stashed away in my freezer (not sure if it's still good as it expired April/07) and am trying to figure out how I can use it up. Specifically, I'm thinking 2 caps (i.e. 600mg) pre-workout and maybe 10-20mg of SD post-workout. What do you guys think? It wouldn't be until the fall however as I'm currently in the middle of a 2 day a week Havoc pulse.
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its quite short, my estimate is that its on the order of 3-4 hours, so yes, it would be good on a pulse. I'd think you could go 3 caps even for extra fun :D
 
The only knock about using 4AD orally is that you'd get a lot more mileage out of it just running it TD on a straight cycle. As hard as it would be to find these days, I'd be inclined to pulse other stuff and save my 4AD for a trans, assuming you had the powder, as opposed to caps.
 
I am about to start a pulse of epistane and plan on running it
weeks 1-4 EOD 20mg pre / 20mg post
weeks 5-6 off
weeks 7-10 EOD 20mg pre / 20mg post

I plan on finishing my workouts by 10am and am using formex as my ai/test booster. I was wondering if I should take it in the evening of my ON days or on the OFF days? I would think I could take it in the evening of the ON days to get a good bounce the next day especially since I will have finished taking the epi by 10am. Because what would be the point of taking it on the off nights considering I would be taking my epi in less than 12 hours anyways? I plan on taking just 1 capsule btw.
Also how long before and after my workouts should I take the dose of epi?
I also plan on taking DHEA on the off days to keep the cortisol and lethargy levels down.
 
nightfly71 said:
The only knock about using 4AD orally is that you'd get a lot more mileage out of it just running it TD on a straight cycle. As hard as it would be to find these days, I'd be inclined to pulse other stuff and save my 4AD for a trans, assuming you had the powder, as opposed to caps.
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Unfortunately, it's the caps complete with all the fillers so not sure how successfull dumping the caps into a transdermal carrier would be.
 
nightfly71 said:
I'd be interested to see how that turns out. Keep us updated.
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Will do...as I said before though, it won't be until the fall as I'm currently on a 2 day a week (i.e. Sat and Sun) Havoc pulse using a training/diet protocol similar to Lyle McDonald's Ultimate Diet 2.0. Cheers.
 
Finished my pulse and put on loads of muscle but starting to notice a lot of injuries this week. I really hurt my shoulder sprinting last night and strained my neck on sunday. Is this the norm? Also is there anything I should do after taking 6-bromo for a while? Especially whilst using Havoc? Are these drying out my joints and causing my connective tissue to deteriorate?
 
captaincrunch said:
Finished my pulse and put on loads of muscle but starting to notice a lot of injuries this week. I really hurt my shoulder sprinting last night and strained my neck on sunday. Is this the norm? Also is there anything I should do after taking 6-bromo for a while? Especially whilst using Havoc? Are these drying out my joints and causing my connective tissue to deteriorate?
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Yes, they are making your joints dry!!! You need Osteo-Sport!
 
Any opinions on taking T3 on a superdrol pulse. I know T3 shouldn't be taken without a anabolic but would a pulse do?
My goals on this pulse is to lose BF while keeping as much muscle as possible and maybe gain a little strength.
I am trying to eat enough carbs so that i don't go hypo from the sd but thats about it..
 
hill5673 said:
My goals on this pulse is to lose BF while keeping as much muscle as possible and maybe gain a little strength.
I am trying to eat enough carbs so that i don't go hypo from the sd but thats about it..
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If you want to pulse and shed body fat, consider cyclical diets such the Ultimate Diet 2.0. Diets such as this cycle calorie/carbohydrate intake systematically. For example, this week I employ low calorie/carb Tuesday-Friday. Then Saturday becomes hyper-caloric/carbohydrate re-feed. :food: Sunday and Monday are mixed macronutrient days set at maintenance. I will be pulsing on Saturday and Sunday each week. The brevity of pulse combined with calories surplus should produce a good anabolic effect/retain lean body mass. FYI-I will be using SD on Saturday and Sunday (20mg each day).
 
The other "cyclical" diet that i'm trying starting next week is alternate day fasting. its going to be rough, but good evidence on at least its ability to raise growth hormone levels. in effect, i'll be pulsing food :P
 
think im just gona jump in here lol

ive done a few PH cycles, m1t, hdrol,mdrol, tbomb etc but i always got gyno as a side since my "the original" M1t cycle (LOVEDDD THAT SHITTTT LOL) the first gaspari **** that didnt even have a warning label on the back and said nothing about PCT lol. but this is what im thinking now.

im thinking of going this route...PULSE!
p-plex
wk1=10,20,off,30,30, off, off
wk2=30,30,off,40,40,off,off
wk3=40,40,off,40,40,off,off
wk4=40,40,off,40,30,off,off
wk5=30,30,off,30,30,off,off EPISTANE
wk6=30,30,off,30,30,off,off / 10,20,off,30,30,off,off
wk7=30,30,off,30,30,off,off / 30,30,off,30,30,off,off
wk8=____________________ 30,30,off,30,30,off,off
wk9=_____________________30,30 ,off,30,30,off,off
wk10_____________________30,30 ,off,30,30,off,off
wk11_____________________30,30 ,off,30,30,off,off
wk12_____________________30,30 ,off,30,30,off,off
wk13_____________________30,30 ,off,20,10,off,off

i also have inhibit E for my test booster etc. support supps are creatine ethl ester, NO shotgun/super pump, cycle support, taurine, and DHEA. ive been told DHEA even at 100mg a day only on days id take the p-plex or epi would cause big issues with my gyno, but i also hear its good to take with epi. ive taken tamoxifin citrate but didnt help all that much, inhibit E is the only thing that takes away senstivity and some size from the gyno.
when should i be taking the inhibit E, and should i just ditch the DHEA? or should i stack 50-100mg DHEA on days i take the EPISTANE?

i want lean gains hence the p-plex and epi. let me know what u think about the pulse... i kno its kinda a long pulse :)
 
puffs said:
think im just gona jump in here lol

ive done a few PH cycles, m1t, hdrol,mdrol, tbomb etc but i always got gyno as a side since my "the original" M1t cycle (LOVEDDD THAT SHITTTT LOL) the first gaspari **** that didnt even have a warning label on the back and said nothing about PCT lol. but this is what im thinking now.

im thinking of going this route...PULSE!
p-plex
wk1=10,20,off,30,30, off, off
wk2=30,30,off,40,40,off,off
wk3=40,40,off,40,40,off,off
wk4=40,40,off,40,30,off,off
wk5=30,30,off,30,30,off,off EPISTANE
wk6=30,30,off,30,30,off,off / 10,20,off,30,30,off,off
wk7=30,30,off,30,30,off,off / 30,30,off,30,30,off,off
wk8=____________________ 30,30,off,30,30,off,off
wk9=_____________________30,30 ,off,30,30,off,off
wk10_____________________30,30 ,off,30,30,off,off
wk11_____________________30,30 ,off,30,30,off,off
wk12_____________________30,30 ,off,30,30,off,off
wk13_____________________30,30 ,off,20,10,off,off

i also have inhibit E for my test booster etc. support supps are creatine ethl ester, NO shotgun/super pump, cycle support, taurine, and DHEA. ive been told DHEA even at 100mg a day only on days id take the p-plex or epi would cause big issues with my gyno, but i also hear its good to take with epi. ive taken tamoxifin citrate but didnt help all that much, inhibit E is the only thing that takes away senstivity and some size from the gyno.
when should i be taking the inhibit E, and should i just ditch the DHEA? or should i stack 50-100mg DHEA on days i take the EPISTANE?

i want lean gains hence the p-plex and epi. let me know what u think about the pulse... i kno its kinda a long pulse :)
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P-Plex, from what I understand, is not ideal for a pulse...stick with Epi and/or SD.
 
Ninjo said:
P-Plex, from what I understand, is not ideal for a pulse...stick with Epi and/or SD.
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whys that?

i read of a few ppl who pulsed p-plex. i thought it had a short half life which is what u wanted to pulse. ive done SD(mdrol) but my gains werent that great. more water than strength/lean muscle.
 
puffs said:
whys that?

i read of a few ppl who pulsed p-plex. i thought it had a short half life which is what u wanted to pulse. ive done SD(mdrol) but my gains werent that great. more water than strength/lean muscle.
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Yeah it takes a bit to build up persay thats why people choose other compounds.
 
hmm i see. dont ppl pulse hdrol/halodrol? thats a ph that takes time to build up. i thought p-plex has the same half life as hdrol/mdrol(SD)?
 
puffs said:
hmm i see. dont ppl pulse hdrol/halodrol? thats a ph that takes time to build up. i thought p-plex has the same half life as hdrol/mdrol(SD)?
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no and no. :) I dont recall anyone pulsing halodrol with good results, and although phera has a halflife close to superdrol, halodrol's is much longer. 6-8hrs for phera + sd, 15-18 for halo.
 
been havoc'ing for 3 weeks straight at 20mg/day
no signs of shutdown.
taking a little time off then starting a pulse
its gonna be random days every week depending on training
and its gonna be a different anabolic each time

SD, PP, winny, m-dien

T3,T4 combo run throughout at dosages compared to 1 grain of armour thyroid (optimization only)

Prime will be run on traing days at 4 pills/day, alongside usp's TNA twice daliy

sustain alpha will be run twice a week randomly as well along with toco8

upregulation is gonna be fun :-)

diet will be a modified UD2 but a little random carb up in between instead of a set date

usual liver support, whey, multi's, super greens etc
 
Hi, I am currently running a Liquidrone Cycle and have some m-drol pills around from a previous cycle. Will pulse lets say 10-30mg m-drol before workout lead to some improve in strenght/mass?
 
EasyEJL said:
no and no. :) I dont recall anyone pulsing halodrol with good results, and although phera has a halflife close to superdrol, halodrol's is much longer. 6-8hrs for phera + sd, 15-18 for halo.
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so if its close to SD/mdrol... then p-plex would be ok to pulse as well... since its more for strength and lean mass... same thing as epi... which is more of just strength... so taking the 20mg p-plex before workout will increase strength and lean muscle and then take the 10mg after. prob do the same with the epi.
 
hey guys, i've been going through this thread for a while, can anyone point me to any sources or studies that are related to pulsing, either supporting or refurting the claims made here. thanks for any and all help.
 
gettingully1 said:
hey guys, i've been going through this thread for a while, can anyone point me to any sources or studies that are related to pulsing, either supporting or refurting the claims made here. thanks for any and all help.
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I've read a good deal of the available published research on hormones and steroids. There is very little information about any of dosing schedules (continuous or pulsing) that are commonly suggested. The research simply doesn't exist for the most part. The best you can really do is read reports from those who have tried different dosing schedules and make your decisions.
 
gettingully1 said:
hey guys, i've been going through this thread for a while, can anyone point me to any sources or studies that are related to pulsing, either supporting or refurting the claims made here. thanks for any and all help.
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There are not going to be studies b/c steroids are illegal unless used in trt. That why the only studies for the most part are old as hell or shown with trt patients.
 
can you pulse 19 Nor? I do not want any androgenic sides. I was thinking of pulsing Epi but love the hair line and do not want it to be messed with.
 
Hi all,
I'm very interested in pulsing (just come off cycle and lost 90% of the gains!), but I am wondering if there are problem pulsing for a week (EPI) and then using a natty test booster on the days when not using EPI in week 1 (JW or similar).
Week 2 would be totally clean.
This would then be repeated for as long as my budget held out.

Would this sort of pulsing be ok for say 3/4 months (over summer lol) as it wouldnt shut me down and would help help me hang on to the gains I have made?
Are there any toxicity issues to be aware of?
I think I would still make gains (albeit slower) without the sides.

thanks for your help ;)
 
I have some MDrol a buddy gave me and was wondering if that is okay to pulse for a first time cycle and if I will still need some cycle support and proper PCT.
 
spickidy said:
I have some MDrol a buddy gave me and was wondering if that is okay to pulse for a first time cycle and if I will still need some cycle support and proper PCT.
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I wouldn't use M-drol on a first cycle whether you're pulsing or doing a straight protocol...in case you don't already know, M-drol is a Superdrol clone which is one of the most powerfull designer PHs (i.e. steroids) ever sold...unfortunately, it is also one of the ones that carries the most risk of side effects, liver stress, compromised lipid values, gyno, to name a few...why not use something a little milder like epistane/havoc for your first pulse?...you'll likely get great results and minimize the risk of adverse side effects...JMHO
 
I want to run the Epistane first but can not get any feedback about how rough it is on the hairline during a pulse. I love my hair and know that Epi is rough on it during a straight cycle.
 
If you're prone to hair loss it's pretty much going to happen when you use anabolics. If you're not prone, you'll be fine. That's why you see certain pros w/ hairline issues and some w/ none. They're probably all using similar things, but some are more prone than others.

That being said, pulsing is going to lessen, not necessarily eliminate, most of the sides that come w/ a straight cycle. there's probably more feedback on pulsing epi than anything else, though, so that's probably your best bet, as Ninjo mentioned.
 
tosh124 said:
Hi all,
I'm very interested in pulsing (just come off cycle and lost 90% of the gains!), but I am wondering if there are problem pulsing for a week (EPI) and then using a natty test booster on the days when not using EPI in week 1 (JW or similar).
Week 2 would be totally clean.
This would then be repeated for as long as my budget held out.

Would this sort of pulsing be ok for say 3/4 months (over summer lol) as it wouldnt shut me down and would help help me hang on to the gains I have made?
Are there any toxicity issues to be aware of?
I think I would still make gains (albeit slower) without the sides.

thanks for your help ;)
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As there are no responses I guess either no-one knows or y'all think its a bad idea?
 
tosh124 said:
As there are no responses I guess either no-one knows or y'all think its a bad idea?
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I just finished a pulse cycle of e-stane 3-4x/week for 4 weeks. I didn't take any natural "test boosters" during or after the cycle. I gained ~3-5 lbs. and my strength went up, so I was happy with the cycle. I had no side effects whatsoever.
I'm in the first week off and my weight and strength are still steady and I feel perfectly normal. I don't see any reason why your approach wouldn't work since you are taking every other week off. I've only done the one cycle so far, so take my experience for what it's worth.
 
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