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How to "pulse" orals

I'm on board with this idea. I'm wondering how this might work with something like T3. If suppresion is a concern, how about EOD at 75? I've also heard of 1 wk on 1 wk off. Using coleus or 7-oxo in between for support. Any thoughts?
 
sfearl1 said:
do you think the 3ad will inhibit any lbm gains while pulsing superdrol doc?
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yes, it will stop them all, just mail it to me :) 3ad also gives gains at the 450/day mark and up, so I'd think it would be fine, other than shutdown wise of course.
 
sfearl1 said:
do you think the 3ad will inhibit any lbm gains while pulsing superdrol doc?
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Not at all, it strongly supported it. In fact, 3AD not only stacked well with SD, it even stacked well with another non-methyl more potent that itself. I must say I didn't expect that per say, so it was a nice surprise. With SD, it reduced the typical SD sides and offered additional anti-catabolic effects because the stack was definitely synergistic. No cancellation of benefits by either compound that I could tell.
 
Testmonkey said:
I'm on board with this idea. I'm wondering how this might work with something like T3. If suppresion is a concern, how about EOD at 75? I've also heard of 1 wk on 1 wk off. Using coleus or 7-oxo in between for support. Any thoughts?
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No! Never pulse thyroid hormones. This is the master gland. Although it is not usually acutely toxic with T4 to run short courses or miss a dose every now and then, T3 is much less forgiving. If you do decide to pulse it, use extreme caution.

Also, never stop taking T3 or T4 cold turkey if you have been on it over 2wks. Always taper down at least twice as slow as you ramped up (very general rule of thumb only.) You will not usually encounter major suppression unless you've used high doses for many months, but it regulates many crucial bodily processes that you may not be aware of.
 
DR.D said:
No! Never pulse thyroid hormones. This is the master gland. Although it is not usually acutely toxic with T4 to run short courses or miss a dose every now and then, T3 is much less forgiving. If you do decide to pulse it, use extreme caution.

Also, never stop taking T3 or T4 cold turkey if you have been on it over 2wks. Always taper down at least twice as slow as you ramped up (very general rule of thumb only.) You will not usually encounter major suppression unless you've used high doses for many months, but it regulates many crucial bodily processes that you may not be aware of.
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Whats a reasonable dose of T3 both while on and not on an anabolic cycle?
 
Hey guys, hate to hijack the thread for my question but you all seem prety knowledgeable.

I am going to be running a superdrol clone cycle, if I takeing 30mg every other day. How long could I run the cycle?

8 weeks sound ok?

....The only reason Im going with 30mg is because Im 270lbs.
 
Gettinstrong said:
Hey guys, hate to hijack the thread for my question but you all seem prety knowledgeable.

I am going to be running a superdrol clone cycle, if I takeing 30mg every other day. How long could I run the cycle?

8 weeks sound ok?

....The only reason Im going with 30mg is because Im 270lbs.
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Big ass boy:squat:

8 weeks sounds good. I did SD/Ergo/TRN for 8 weeks. I am thinking of doing a pulse for 12 weeks next time.
 
EasyEJL said:
Whats a reasonable dose of T3 both while on and not on an anabolic cycle?
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It's very personalized. Almost impossible to generalize. That's why I suggest starting with 12.5mcg max of T3 or 25mcg max if T4 and increasing in those same increments not faster than every 3-4 days. That's a rapid accent too IMO. I would say not more than 50-75mcg T3 or 150-200mcg T4 when off cycle. Above that usually requires evasive measures in the form of anabolics/anti-catabolics and sometimes beta-blockers to control peripheral sides.
 
DR.D said:
It's very personalized. Almost impossible to generalize. That's why I suggest starting with 12.5mcg max of T3 or 25mcg max if T4 and increasing in those same increments not faster than every 3-4 days. That's a rapid accent too IMO. I would say not more than 50-75mcg T3 or 150-200mcg T4 when off cycle. Above that usually requires evasive measures in the form of anabolics/anti-catabolics and sometimes beta-blockers to control peripheral sides.
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I was thinking of even just sticking to 25 (T3) for off cycle, maybe 50 on. I mostly don't want to schwack my pituitary gland, although its gotten less abuse over time than my liver :)
 
EasyEJL said:
I was thinking of even just sticking to 25 (T3) for off cycle, maybe 50 on. I mostly don't want to schwack my pituitary gland, although its gotten less abuse over time than my liver :)
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That sounds fine E. Great stuff IMO, though I usually prefer T4 for most applications. Thyroid augmentation not only keeps you lean, you detox and heal faster on it, it lowers cholesterol levels significantly, and improves the effects of other common drugs. I know a number of people who tried every antidepressant under the sun and nothing ever worked till they added a little thyroid to the mix. The benefits can be pretty amazing and diverse. First time I tried it, I was in college. I gained 10 solid lbs in a month! My doc told me that was atypical considering my diet was very low cal and most people lose 10lbs, lol.
 
DR.D said:
That sounds fine E. Great stuff IMO, though I usually prefer T4 for most applications. Thyroid augmentation not only keeps you lean, you detox and heal faster on it, it lowers cholesterol levels significantly, and improves the effects of other common drugs. I know a number of people who tried every antidepressant under the sun and nothing ever worked till they added a little thyroid to the mix. The benefits can be pretty amazing and diverse. First time I tried it, I was in college. I gained 10 solid lbs in a month! My doc told me that was atypical considering my diet was very low cal and most people lose 10lbs, lol.
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Nice, sounds like it'd be safer to run the t4 in terms of thyroidal suppression to, no? (you should really pick a Thundercat and join us on LB lol!)
 
DR.D said:
That sounds fine E. Great stuff IMO, though I usually prefer T4 for most applications. Thyroid augmentation not only keeps you lean, you detox and heal faster on it, it lowers cholesterol levels significantly, and improves the effects of other common drugs. I know a number of people who tried every antidepressant under the sun and nothing ever worked till they added a little thyroid to the mix. The benefits can be pretty amazing and diverse. First time I tried it, I was in college. I gained 10 solid lbs in a month! My doc told me that was atypical considering my diet was very low cal and most people lose 10lbs, lol.
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I've always wondered about my actual thyroid function, as I tend to run under 97 degrees at the dr office. So my waking temp must be even lower. Never had them tested tho, I need to remember that next blood panel
 
How common is it for guys to pulse say, superdrol and have more for another cycle? I have a 90 pill Superdrol bottle.....I'm assuming that if you pulsed M, W, F 20 pre and 20 post, you could use this bottle for several cycles, right?

I have Phera-Plex and Supedrol, the only "cycle" experience I have is HX2, MFX and R2 a few months back...would it be a good idea on my part to pulse only superdrol right now MWF for 8 weeks, and after my "time off" pulse superdrol with phera-plex?
 
During cycle, I'd use DHEA every day.

For PCT I'd use Nolvadex with HX2 and MFX and creatine.

Can 7-keto DHEA be a substitute for Retain2 during PCT?
 
RisingAgainst said:
Nice, sounds like it'd be safer to run the t4 in terms of thyroidal suppression to, no? (you should really pick a Thundercat and join us on LB lol!)
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Yes, T4 is less suppressive, no doubt about it.

Haha, I was wondering what that was about, Thundercats hooooo!
 
btech said:
During cycle, I'd use DHEA every day.

For post cycle therapy I'd use Nolvadex with HX2 and MFX and creatine.

Can 7-keto DHEA be a substitute for Retain2 during PCT?
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Daily DHEA is not a bad idea. You may do a double dose on off days.

I'd do the SD and PP on separate pulses before combining. Always a good idea to keep new supps separate till you get a feel for them solo.

The PCT looks good, you can sub 7-keto for R2.
 
Dr. D and my fellow pulsing enthusiasts,

OK...so I've done a few pulse cycles in the last year and I'm very happy with where I'm at. So here's my idea for maintenance.

I will pulse Mon, Wed, and Fri 10mgs Epistane and 25mgs of Halodrol-50 (clone). My doses will all be at about 7:00am. I will take 2 caps HDX2 on my ON days at about 9:00pm (maybe even 1 cap PowerFULL..just for sleep). The idea there is to bounce back that night and have all day on my off days to recover.

I plan 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off (like I said, it's just maintenance)

I'm hoping that this will keep my nice and ripped without making any major weight gains (I actually wouldn't mind dropping a couple of pounds).

I'm also hoping to never need a SERM again. Although I WILL always have some on hand (I know a certain innovative research company that has a 2 for 1 sale on tamoxifen citrate...never one to pass up a sale, I'll have plenty).

So what are your opinions?
 
I know this is going to seem like a stupid question but i'm roughly 1 week into my m-drol pulse dosing at just 20mg 4/per week and seem to be responding really well...could that be my sweet spot even though i'm 260???
 
pman said:
I know this is going to seem like a stupid question but i'm roughly 1 week into my m-drol pulse dosing at just 20mg 4/per week and seem to be responding really well...could that be my sweet spot even though i'm 260???
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as long as you're responding well then keep it there. no need to go any higher if you are seeing great results at 20mg imo. as far as a sweet spot, i have found that 20mg and 30mg are about the same for superdrol. i didn't see any noticeable difference in gains when bumped up to 30mg. i also am only 5'7" 180lbs. and that was also on a straight 3 week everyday cycle. if this is your first cycle then it could be your "1st cycle gains"
 
well i plan to pulse as well and is Furazadrol or tren-x or Propadrol? a good addition to stack with epi? i have half a bottle of torem left (2-3 weeks worth)

so all i need is a bottle of epi for 8 weeks? and hyperdrol. plus something to stack on epi (furazadrol/etc) for improved and better results
 
DR.D said:
Sounds like a good maintenance plan! I bet that works quite well.
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Glad you think so! I'm pretty much just getting the most of of the "rest of my stash". But I figured 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off with pretty much anything would be perfect for maintenance. And I can just keep going with that plan...maybe run a SERM every few months just to make sure.
 
All right guys, this is something I just thought about

I have read about using an AI during a cycle, and using DHEA in PCT, as well as DHEA during a cycle and AI for PCT.

So, this makes me think: what if you wanted to do AI for both during a cycle and PCT, or with DHEA for both during a cycle and during PCT? Is one "better" than the other? Is it a must that which one you pick for your cycle can't be used for the PCT?

A friend told me he took AI during PCT and didn't get taken out of being shut down.....

can anyone elaborate on this?
 
ChuckBooty said:
Glad you think so! I'm pretty much just getting the most of of the "rest of my stash". But I figured 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off with pretty much anything would be perfect for maintenance. And I can just keep going with that plan...maybe run a SERM every few months just to make sure.
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Yeah, a short course of SERM maybe semi-annual just to be safe wouldn't hurt a thing. And you're right, your 2/2 plan is a great way to use up all your left overs too! :)
 
I'm currently pulsing Havoc at 40 mg m/w/f, 2 caps hdx2 and retain2 on off days and 1 of each on on days, this is my first cycle and i'm loving it, up several pounds in just 2 weeks and strength has skyrocketed.
Right now i'm bulking moderately, and after 2 more weeks im gonna take a week off and start again for 4 more weeks with more of a recomp diet.
Here is my question: What do you think i should add to this second phase to aid fat burning without shutting me down?

If you would want my stats they are: 222lbs 6'3 17%bf 6 years training
 
T H E O R E M said:
well i plan to pulse as well and is Furazadrol or tren-x or Propadrol? a good addition to stack with epi? i have half a bottle of torem left (2-3 weeks worth)

so all i need is a bottle of epi for 8 weeks? and hyperdrol. plus something to stack on epi (furazadrol/etc) for improved and better results
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Yes, should be. You don't need a stacker necessarily though.
 
btech said:
All right guys, this is something I just thought about

I have read about using an AI during a cycle, and using DHEA in post cycle therapy, as well as DHEA during a cycle and AI for PCT.

So, this makes me think: what if you wanted to do AI for both during a cycle and PCT, or with DHEA for both during a cycle and during PCT? Is one "better" than the other? Is it a must that which one you pick for your cycle can't be used for the PCT?

A friend told me he took AI during PCT and didn't get taken out of being shut down.....

can anyone elaborate on this?
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You can use the DHEA during and for a few weeks after to support libido and discourage catabolism if needed, same with AI.
 
quadrato said:
I'm currently pulsing Havoc at 40 mg m/w/f, 2 caps hdx2 and retain2 on off days and 1 of each on on days, this is my first cycle and i'm loving it, up several pounds in just 2 weeks and strength has skyrocketed.
Right now i'm bulking moderately, and after 2 more weeks im gonna take a week off and start again for 4 more weeks with more of a recomp diet.
Here is my question: What do you think i should add to this second phase to aid fat burning without shutting me down?

If you would want my stats they are: 222lbs 6'3 17%bf 6 years training
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What are the options you were considering? I mean, you could take lots of things for this, more anti-aromatizing androgens, anti-corts, stims/appetite suppressants, caff, thermogens, uncouplers, carb/fat blockers, etc..
 
DR.D said:
What are the options you were considering? I mean, you could take lots of things for this, more anti-aromatizing androgens, anti-corts, stims/appetite suppressants, caff, thermogens, uncouplers, carb/fat blockers, etc..
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oh, sorry, was thinking something like 11-oxo but i dont know if that would be wise considering shutdown, could get some more HDX2 for PCT with that if necessary tho i suppose.

Hunger suppressants are interesting too, especially one that you could take at night, thats my problem when i've used ephedrine, i go all day without hunger but by nighttime i get bad cravings cuz i have to get off it to sleep.
 
T H E O R E M said:
could you pulse epi, and run BOLD + Test booster throughout
cycle, then post cycle therapy with an AI and Test booster?
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Yes, I have not tried that but I bet it would stack well with daily bold and a test booster, then AI/test booster post for a few weeks if needed.
 
Dr.D

I have a question in regard to your AI Taper Up method, sorry if this is out of topic, but I figured this thread is the best to reach you.

If I do a PCT that does not consist of a SERM, only AI, can I still do the Tapering Up (Inverse) method such as ATD starting from 25 mg increase by the week all the way to 75 mg, or is Tapering Down would be a better choice for this?
 
quadrato said:
oh, sorry, was thinking something like 11-oxo but i dont know if that would be wise considering shutdown, could get some more HDX2 for post cycle therapy with that if necessary tho i suppose.

Hunger suppressants are interesting too, especially one that you could take at night, thats my problem when i've used ephedrine, i go all day without hunger but by nighttime i get bad cravings cuz i have to get off it to sleep.
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Adrenosterone is not bad on shutdown, for your second phase. It's an excellent fat burner and stacked with HDX2 it would be an extra potent repartitioner with practically nil chance of suppression over 4wks.

I stage my appetite suppressant to wear off exactly before bed, so I don't get too hungry before I get sleepy. That late night munching will get you fast!
 
Solitude said:
Dr.D

I have a question in regard to your AI Taper Up method, sorry if this is out of topic, but I figured this thread is the best to reach you.

If I do a post cycle therapy that does not consist of a SERM, only AI, can I still do the Tapering Up (Inverse) method such as ATD starting from 25 mg increase by the week all the way to 75 mg, or is Tapering Down would be a better choice for this?
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Yes, in this case I would keep doses static all the way through or taper down. You only need to inverse when a SERM is involved.
 
2nd Pulse Cycle

I kicked off my second pulse cycle today. My first cycle is on page 9 in this thread and I ended up keeping around 10 lbs of lean muscle from an 8 week Epi cycle (195-205 lbs). I lost about 4 lbs of it and I attribute that to my diet or lack thereof post cycle. Anyway, I'm looking to gain at least 8 lbs for this bulking pulse cycle and be holding my weight at 210 long after post cycle therapy. My cycle is as follows:

Week 1: 10 mg-pre / 10 mg-post M-drol M/W/F : 2 caps Hyperdrol bedtime ED / 1 cap Retain 2 mornings "off" days.

Week 2: 10 mg / 10 mg M-drol M/W/F : 2 caps Hyperdrol bedtime ED / 1 cap Retain 2 mornings "off" days.

Week 3: 10 mg / 10 mg M-drol M/W/F : 2 caps Hyperdrol bedtime ED / 1 cap Retain 2 mornings "off" days.

Week 4: 10 mg / 10 mg M-drol M/W/F : 2 caps Hyperdrol bedtime ED / 1 cap Retain 2 mornings "off" days.

Week 5 : Rest Week

Week 6: 10 mg / 10 mg M-drol M/W/F : 2 caps Hyperdrol bedtime ED / 1 cap Retain 2 mornings "off" days.

Week 7: 10 mg / 10 mg M-drol M/W/F : 2 caps Hyperdrol bedtime ED / 1 cap Retain 2 mornings "off" days.

Week 8: 10 mg / 10 mg M-drol M/W/F : 2 caps Hyperdrol bedtime ED / 1 cap Retain 2 mornings "off" days.

Week 9: 10 mg / 10 mg M-drol M/W/F : 2 caps Hyperdrol bedtime ED / 1 cap Retain 2 mornings "off" days.

post cycle therapy: Depends on how I "feel" but would like to go with a mild one if even necessary.

I have Phera and Epi on hand, but wanna run M-drol solo so I know how my body reacts to it. It should be noted that I did an ill-advised short 3-week cycle of Superdrol under horrible training/eating conditions around 2 years ago. During that short run I did not run proper ancillaries and ended up cutting the cycle short due to perceived gyno issues and a getting sick.

I would like to keep the dosage of M-drol @ 20 mg on workout days, as from what I hear that dosage is usually sufficient. I'm hoping the hyperdrol will limit my suppression and accentuate the "bounce." Also I've seen many people put in a week in the middle for rest. I have read through the whole thread and did not see any comments from Dr. D about placing a break in the middle of a pulse cycle. The reason I'm placing it in the middle of my cycle is because I'm going to be due for a training break to give my CNS a rest. I was just wondering if I should be taking any sort of supps on the week off or nothing at all. Dr. D, hopefully you can chime in and let me know if it looks ok. Again, I appreciate your help on my last pulse cycle, as it went silky smooth.
 
DR.D said:
Adrenosterone is not bad on shutdown, for your second phase. It's an excellent fat burner and stacked with HDX2 it would be an extra potent repartitioner with practically nil chance of suppression over 4wks.

I stage my appetite suppressant to wear off exactly before bed, so I don't get too hungry before I get sleepy. That late night munching will get you fast!
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What dose would you recommend?
 
LowKeyLifter said:
... I was just wondering if I should be taking any sort of supps on the week off or nothing at all. Dr. D, hopefully you can chime in and let me know if it looks ok. Again, I appreciate your help on my last pulse cycle, as it went silky smooth.
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I had to go back and revisit p.9, April seems like ages ago but I remember now! If you kept half the gain that's pretty good LKL, especially if training and diet were off since then. You're next cycle look promising too.

have not mentioned a pre-scheduled off week I don't believe, but do recommend a "holiday" or break anytime you sense suppression taking the momentum. It could be 3 extra days every 2wks or a whole week in between months like you have planned. Whatever impressions you had from the first pulse build on and apply it to this one so that your understanding remains progressive and your gains will follow. Doing something on the off week to bridge is a good idea. Creatine, a good herbal test boosters or even just run the HD and R2 daily at full dose if nothing else. You should have another clean, productive cycle from the looks of it.
 
quadrato said:
What dose would you recommend?
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On the adreno? Ideally 450mg/day in 3 divided doses. You may be able to get away with less and still have good results, but I have not tested efficacy under that dose to really validate. For suppression insurance and max repartitioning, add 2 caps HD also (or 4 caps HD to compensate if you use less adreno than 450.)
 
Well crap...i just read on page 33 that you don't like Saw Palmetto doc and the test booster i've been using at night has it in there...I also have Novedex xt by gaspari should i use this instead and use the other for off cycle??? PLEASE help doc...i don't want ***** tits...i don't trust the guys i work with...hehehe
It still has the estrogen blockers in it???
 
i dont want to beat a dead horse here but, is BOLD the most you could get away with stacked with epi without using a SERM? BOLD is very expensive and reported as a much weaker PH, so is there something that fits the bill, or would anything else require a full fledged post cycle therapy?

theres alot of other Ph's but i assume no one knows much about them still.
axis labs furazadrol,est propadrol, kilosports trenadrol
 
ChuckBooty said:
Dr. D, do you have an opinion on Jungle Warfare? Some people actually use it during post cycle therapy and others say you NEED PCT if you run it.
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I still haven't tried it, but I've heard good feedback from the majority of those I talk with that have. I would not use it in PCT though from what I understand about it's ingredients (that's about all I can say on it :))
 
ChuckBooty said:
Dr. D, do you have an opinion on Jungle Warfare? Some people actually use it during post cycle therapy and others say you NEED PCT if you run it.
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All I know is, I have read on this board that Patrick Arnold is a fan of the stuff (can I drop a name? haha).
 
pman said:
Well crap...i just read on page 33 that you don't like Saw Palmetto doc and the test booster i've been using at night has it in there...I also have Novedex xt by gaspari should i use this instead and use the other for off cycle??? PLEASE help doc...i don't want ***** tits...i don't trust the guys i work with...hehehe
It still has the estrogen blockers in it???
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I don't like it, because it steals some of my mojo, but most guys can use it no problem so don't worry if it's in your booster. A 5a-reductase inhibitor will raise test for sure, some guys just need more DHT conversion that others.

Vitex on the other hand is an ingredient I don't understand. So what if it raises LH, it kills test production and libido! Talk about fool's gold. Yeah, gimme some Chastity Berries so I never want sex again. NOT. (sorry for the rant, not fond of vitex)

I have never tried NXT, because I was never that impressed with the ingredients, but lots of guys do use it. To be honest, the feedback I get isn't so great, so I can't really advise or suggest on it's use.
 
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