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Hi-Tech Pharma: Pro IGF-1 Blood Tests @ 20mcg/day

Juicedeez utz said:
The only IGF results I can find is children with severe IGFD using increlex 60mg/kg to 120mg/kg (microgram/kilogram) Invalid Link Removed
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this is pretty cool since both groups started with low IGF-1 like our guy who provided blood tests, yet Increlex didn't increase their to the same total number. going to get very interesting with more reports coming soon!
 
Regarding the IGF-1 vs HGH comparison, would this be as beneficial for injury recovery as HGH? Still trying to heal these shoulders and only doing physical therapy. Smh.
 
Danes said:
Honestly it was sick chest workout..pump in whole upper body! Remember, I am 100% natural. No AAS,No SARMs, Designer Steroids etc..just natty products (herbs,plants,aminos etc) and actually have low T levels due to many years of Severe sleep apnea (never been overweight either)
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What in igf1 is going to give you a vasodilation?
 
Ricky10 said:
I'm with ya, seems that when I research HGH vs IGF-1, they both seem to have valuable specific benefits..

HGH: overall body rejuvenation, smoother skin, and faster hair growth to name a few

IGF-1: has far greater impact on cell proliferation (muscle building) itself

Seems as though MK-677 and Pro IGF-1 would be a winning stack to me!
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Danes said:
Yes but IGF1 also reverses aging and even heals damaged brain cells. /neuroprotective ++
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Yes but IGF-1 is not suppose to be run for a long time 4-6 weeks, I don t see it helping as much to repair as a long run of HGH. This is why I asked if high tech could extract HGH also from the same ingredient/ product/ procedure they used to extract IGF-1.
 
alvin1 said:
Yes but IGF-1 is not suppose to be run for a long time 4-6 weeks, I don t see it helping as much to repair as a long run of HGH. This is why I asked if high tech could extract HGH also from the same IGF-1 product/ procedure.
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I am.confused here.
You say IGF1 shall not be run more than 4-6 weeks?
1. It takes weeks before IGF1 kicks in with full strength
2. Some of main HGH effects is secreting more IGF1 and its normaly to run HGH for 3-6 months.

I do agree HGH may have better effecr on some types of injuries but IGF1 will deliver pretty many effects such as Anti Aging, Healing properties, fat burning, brain injury healing ++++
 
alvin1 said:
Yes but IGF-1 is not suppose to be run for a long time 4-6 weeks, I don t see it helping as much to repair as a long run of HGH. This is why I asked if high tech could extract HGH also from the same ingredient/ product/ procedure they used to extract IGF-1.
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yeah you'll desensitize if you run IGF-1 for more than 6 weeks..but you can hop back on after a few week break.
 
Danes said:
I am.confused here.
You say IGF1 shall not be run more than 4-6 weeks?
1. It takes weeks before IGF1 kicks in with full strength
2. Some of main HGH effects is secreting more IGF1 and its normaly to run HGH for 3-6 months.

I do agree HGH may have better effecr on some types of injuries but IGF1 will deliver pretty many effects such as Anti Aging, Healing properties, fat burning, brain injury healing ++++
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yea i dont get why people keep saying IGF-1 needs so much time to provide results...most users see incredible results and only run it for a max of 6 weeks.
 
Ricky10 said:
I'm with ya, seems that when I research HGH vs IGF-1, they both seem to have valuable specific benefits..

HGH: overall body rejuvenation, smoother skin, and faster hair growth to name a few

IGF-1: has far greater impact on cell proliferation (muscle building) itself

Seems as though MK-677 and Pro IGF-1 would be a winning stack to me!
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Danes said:
I am.confused here.
You say IGF1 shall not be run more than 4-6 weeks?
1. It takes weeks before IGF1 kicks in with full strength
2. Some of main HGH effects is secreting more IGF1 and its normaly to run HGH for 3-6 months.

I do agree HGH may have better effecr on some types of injuries but IGF1 will deliver pretty many effects such as Anti Aging, Healing properties, fat burning, brain injury healing ++++
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I am far from been an expert on IGF-1 but for the peptide I am pretty sure long run is not recommend, the point is that yes HGH increase IGF-1 but not as much as supplementing IGF-1 directly. Maybe VaughnTrue can shed some light on this.
 
alvin1 said:
I am far from been an expert on IGF-1 but for the peptide I am pretty sure long run is not recommend, the point is that yes HGH increase IGF-1 but not as much as supplementing IGF-1 directly. Maybe VaughnTrue can shed some light on this.
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HGH usage will secrete.IGF1 pretty much. Now , it all depends on the dose.
 
VaughnTrue said:
yea i dont get why people keep saying IGF-1 needs so much time to provide results...most users see incredible results and only run it for a max of 6 weeks.
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maybe not all results..but for hyperplasia..muscle cell differentiation results, you need about 6 months..no way to currently get around that.
 
wonder if i can just go to a quick clinic for bloodwork? gotta make a few calls on my lunch break..dying to start this but def wanna get bloodwork done first. been quite a long time since i was this excited
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
maybe not all results..but for hyperplasia..muscle cell differentiation results, you need about 6 months..no way to currently get around that.
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regardless of the mechanism of action causing the results, people report very impressive results on traditional IGF-1 cycles. if they didn't, no one would still be using it.
 
alvin1 said:
I am far from been an expert on IGF-1 but for the peptide I am pretty sure long run is not recommend, the point is that yes HGH increase IGF-1 but not as much as supplementing IGF-1 directly. Maybe VaughnTrue can shed some light on this.
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the purported benefits of HGH induced muscle growth is a result of HGH increasing IGF-1 levels. Taking IGF-1 directly cuts out the middleman
 
VaughnTrue said:
the purported benefits of HGH induced muscle growth is a result of HGH increasing IGF-1 levels. Taking IGF-1 directly cuts out the middleman
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Yes I understand that, but increase IGF-1 to much for to long can have unwanted effect, and HGH can be run long time for anti aging purpose. Anyway I am not going to beat the bush longer. I will certainly try your IGF-1 product down the road and keep on using MK 677 for my HGH ;)
 
alvin1 said:
Yes I understand that, but increase IGF-1 to much for to long can have unwanted effect, and HGH can be run long time for anti aging purpose. Anyway I am not going to beat the bush longer. I will certainly try your IGF-1 product down the road and keep on using MK 677 for my HGH ;)
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For pure muscle growth, IGF-1 is superior to HGH...but can also bring unwanted sides after awhile.. for all around health benefits HGH is the way to go (if muscle growth isnt top priority).
 
So from what I'm reading, it sounds like running mk677 and Pro IGF-1 would stack well together. But then again, would it be better to use them individually instead? This is going to sound like such a stupid question, but can Pro IGF-1 cause organ growth?
 
Dholmes90 said:
So from what I'm reading, it sounds like running mk677 and Pro IGF-1 would stack well together. But then again, would it be better to use them individually instead? This is going to sound like such a stupid question, but can Pro IGF-1 cause organ growth?
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Pro IGF-1 will bring with it the same gains and the same side effects as injectable IGF-1
 
alvin1 said:
Yes I understand that, but increase IGF-1 to much for to long can have unwanted effect, and HGH can be run long time for anti aging purpose. Anyway I am not going to beat the bush longer. I will certainly try your IGF-1 product down the road and keep on using MK 677 for my HGH ;)
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With MK677 you also secrete more IGF1 too so if you are affraid of IGF1 levels , stacking IGF1 with MK677 would be even worse :)
 
Dholmes90 said:
So from what I'm reading, it sounds like running mk677 and Pro IGF-1 would stack well together. But then again, would it be better to use them individually instead? This is going to sound like such a stupid question, but can Pro IGF-1 cause organ growth?
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Organ growth of GH/IGF1 is time and Dose dependent
 
Danes said:
With MK677 you also secrete more IGF1 too so if you are affraid of IGF1 levels , stacking IGF1 with MK677 would be even worse :)
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For sure this is why that if blood work and log are positive here I would only use High tech IGF-1 for a couple of cycle a year on top of my 10 mg MK-677.
 
Danes said:
Organ growth of GH/IGF1 is time and Dose dependent
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Thank you bro. So it's user dependant, based on how much you dose, and for how long you use it. correct? I'm going to run a Test E cycle in either January or Febuary for a bulking phase and trying to see if Pro IGF-1/mk677 would be a good idea to stack with. Nothing is set in stone yet, stil doing a ton of research.
 
Dholmes90 said:
Thank you bro. So it's user dependant, based on how much you dose, and for how long you use it. correct? I'm going to run a Test E cycle in either January or Febuary for a bulking phase and trying to see if Pro IGF-1/mk677 would be a good idea to stack with. Nothing is set in stone yet, stil doing a ton of research.
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I hope it goes well. Good luck :)
 
Question..would it be ok to stack this with alphamax(testbooster) and tr1umph?

I have extras just sitting there waiting to be used. My bottle of igf should be here in 1-2 days.
 
VaughnTrue said:
the purported benefits of HGH induced muscle growth is a result of HGH increasing IGF-1 levels. Taking IGF-1 directly cuts out the middleman
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This is a false assumption. Studies done on rats prove this wrong. Showing hgh to be superior for returning normal muscle growth, then the equalivlant igf-1 dose.(These were done mice who had hgh knocked out. Then two groups one hgh, one igf. The igf group return almsot to normal but not quit. The hgh had the same muscle mass as control). They also did this in superphysiological levels and hgh again had a SLIGHT upper hand in growth.(again done in mice with knocked out hgh).

It may not be due to hgh being anabolic(it might by but hasn't been proven either way and really can't be). Rather, increasing igf1 through hgh doesn't mess with mgf pathways. Allowing that to have it's full normal effect. Which I believe to be the biggest reason; as mgf is just as, if not more anabolic the igf. Also by increasing igf1 through hgh, rather than directly, doesn't increase igf1 antibodies nearly as much.

I'll see if I can dig those studies back up. Super busy with school though so it might be a bit. If someone knows the ones I talking about I'm would appreciate if you post them for me.
 
rtmilburn said:
This is a false assumption. Studies done on rats prove this wrong. Showing hgh to be superior for returning normal muscle growth, then the equalivlant igf-1 dose.(These were done mice who had hgh knocked out. Then two groups one hgh, one igf. The igf group return almsot to normal but not quit. The hgh had the same muscle mass as control). They also did this in superphysiological levels and hgh again had a SLIGHT upper hand in growth.(again done in mice with knocked out hgh).

It may not be due to hgh being anabolic(it might by but hasn't been proven either way and really can't be). Rather, increasing igf1 through hgh doesn't mess with mgf pathways. Allowing that to have it's full normal effect. Which I believe to be the biggest reason; as mgf is just as, if not more anabolic the igf. Also by increasing igf1 through hgh, rather than directly, doesn't increase igf1 antibodies nearly as much.

I'll see if I can dig those studies back up. Super busy with school though so it might be a bit. If someone knows the ones I talking about I'm would appreciate if you post them for me.
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Interesting post. It all makes sense other than mgf being more anabolic than IGF. My lab rat injected both and got virtually nothing from mgf.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
Interesting post. It all makes sense other than mgf being more anabolic than IGF. My lab rat injected both and got virtually nothing from mgf.
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Well few thing why may not have worked for you.
#1 Most likely fake.
#2 preg mgf is theorized not to be able to actually dock on to receptors.(hasn't been proven)
#3 I could be wrong for sure on that
#4 if regular mgf it's half life is minuscule so you would need to inject a ton
#5 mgf only cause cell prolifiation and no other benefits the igf1 has. Also if not on anabolic those cells remain immature and takes forever to mature without anabolic so they are small and weak new cells.
 
rtmilburn said:
Well few thing why may not have worked for you.
#1 Most likely fake.
#2 preg mgf is theorized not to be able to actually dock on to receptors.(hasn't been proven)
#3 I could be wrong for sure on that
#4 if regular mgf it's half life is minuscule so you would need to inject a ton
#5 mgf only cause cell prolifiation and no other benefits the igf1 has. Also if not on anabolic those cells remain immature and takes forever to mature without anabolic so they are small and weak new cells.
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Lab rat did 4 mg a week of MGF. I figure that was a decent dose, but the idea that the proliferation without IGF differentiation means weak results is a theory that I definitely buy into
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
Lab rat did 4 mg a week of MGF. I figure that was a decent deals, but the idea that the proliferation without IGF differentiation means week results is a theory that I definitely buy into
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Yep definitely possible. See how these interact. With hgh you get igf= more cell differentiation and mild proliferation, mgf= proliferation and some(and I mean VERY little) differentiation. And gear to quickly mature those new cells.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
Lab rat did 4 mg a week of MGF. I figure that was a decent deals, but the idea that the proliferation without IGF differentiation means week results is a theory that I definitely buy into
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Min 1000mcg/workout day but better 2000mcg and if quality has always worked for me.


I just dug up 2 older sets of labs first was on various peps, always a ghrp/cjc combo, and the second on 25mg MK.

9/14/15 316
12/7/15 322

So, this product looks very interesting.
 
rtmilburn said:
Well few thing why may not have worked for you.
#1 Most likely fake.
#2 preg mgf is theorized not to be able to actually dock on to receptors.(hasn't been proven)
#3 I could be wrong for sure on that
#4 if regular mgf it's half life is minuscule so you would need to inject a ton
#5 mgf only cause cell prolifiation and no other benefits the igf1 has. Also if not on anabolic those cells remain immature and takes forever to mature without anabolic so they are small and weak new cells.
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A good friend of mine did pharma grade of HGH and IGF1.
HGH worked but the best thing he ever used was IGF1.
We need to remember, real IGF1 is not easy to find and he actually got it from a doc who is corrupt.
4 of bodybuilders here In Norway I know also say the same thing about HGH vs IGF1 for muscle growth.
 
Danes said:
A good friend of mine did pharma grade of HGH and IGF1.
HGH worked but the best thing he ever used was IGF1.
We need to remember, real IGF1 is not easy to find and he actually got it from a doc who is corrupt.
4 of bodybuilders here In Norway I know also say the same thing about HGH vs IGF1 for muscle growth.
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When comparing real vs real, you have to remember, hgh is systemic and spread out whereas igf is localized the response will be more pronounced in one localized area where injected.
 
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Abstract

Growth hormone (GH) is widely used as a performance-enhancing drug. One of its best-characterized effects is increasing levels of circulating insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I), which is primarily of hepatic origin. It also induces synthesis of IGF-I in most non-hepatic tissues. The effects of GH in promoting postnatal body growth are IGF-I dependent, but IGF-I-independent functions are beginning to be elucidated. Although benefits of GH administration have been reported for those who suffer from GH deficiency, there is currently very little evidence to support an anabolic role for supraphysiological levels of systemic GH or IGF-I in skeletal muscle of healthy individuals. There may be other performance-enhancing effects of GH. In contrast, the hypertrophic effects of muscle-specific IGF-I infusion are well documented in animal models and muscle cell culture systems. Studies examining the molecular responses to hypertrophic stimuli in animals and humans frequently cite upregulation of IGF-I messenger RNA or immunoreactivity. The circulatory/systemic (endocrine) and local (autocrine/paracrine) effects of GH and IGF-I may have distinct effects on muscle mass regulation.
 
IGF will only be localised if the receptors are open, otherwise it's systemic, hence the give it to children for IGFD. HGH would only be considered better because like rtm said it won't interrupt natural patterns (MGF) post workout. BUT taken at the right time you can not mess up your natural rhythm, that's why I say dose this post WO, 90-120 mins there will be no more MGF and some IGF receptors will still be open. Taking on non WO days would technically be systemic growth but great for recovery. I'd like to do MGF (not PEG) 2000mcg micro doses bi lateral immediately post and take this at the same time, would be a wicked combo in theory.
 
Danes said:
A good friend of mine did pharma grade of HGH and IGF1.
HGH worked but the best thing he ever used was IGF1.
We need to remember, real IGF1 is not easy to find and he actually got it from a doc who is corrupt.
4 of bodybuilders here In Norway I know also say the same thing about HGH vs IGF1 for muscle growth.
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There is only 1 company who makes pharma grade IGF. Increlex. It costs a fortune and getting a hold of it is impossible
 
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