Hi-Tech Pharma: Pro IGF-1 Blood Tests @ 20mcg/day

Danes said:
So it seems T levels are not all that anyway when I have friends who use steroids / testosterone and they are smaller than me :D
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Yes, many studies show that physiological range T isn't really that important for muscle. I would never in a million years have thought I was at 340 based on my physique/performance. 100's may suck (and definitely is unhealthy for a bunch of other reasons), and 2,000+ will build the heck out of muscle.... but you can do a lot even with 300's and up (and Biological/Free T is what really matters).
 
Today will be my third day on Pro IGF-1. I believe I am at least the third person ITT that has an injured shoulder. I'm hoping this helps it heal a little quicker as well as better overall recovery. My shoulder doesn't negatively impact my strength, but it makes itself known. Will report back when I start noticing things.

For reference, I've been dosing immediately pre-workout (5 tabs). Glycofuse + Humapro intra and largest meal of the day post. Might try this bottle pre-workout and my second run I will try post-workout.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Min 1000mcg/workout day but better 2000mcg and if quality has always worked for me.


I just dug up 2 older sets of labs first was on various peps, always a ghrp/cjc combo, and the second on 25mg MK.

9/14/15 316
12/7/15 322

So, this product looks very interesting.
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That's in line with S2H's (4x years old) IGF-1 number on 25mg MK-677. Thanks for those numbers.
 
compan said:
Today will be my third day on Pro IGF-1. I believe I am at least the third person ITT that has an injured shoulder. I'm hoping this helps it heal a little quicker as well as better overall recovery. My shoulder doesn't negatively impact my strength, but it makes itself known. Will report back when I start noticing things.

For reference, I've been dosing immediately pre-workout (5 tabs). Glycofuse + Humapro intra and largest meal of the day post. Might try this bottle pre-workout and my second run I will try post-workout.
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Definitely keep us updated!
 
The_Old_Guy said:
Yes, many studies show that physiological range T isn't really that important for muscle. I would never in a million years have thought I was at 340 based on my physique/performance. 100's may suck (and definitely is unhealthy for a bunch of other reasons), and 2,000+ will build the heck out of muscle.... but you can do a lot even with 300's and up (and Biological/Free T is what really matters).
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Yea I have low SHGB and I am not complaining :D
 
VaughnTrue said:
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Abstract

Growth hormone (GH) is widely used as a performance-enhancing drug. One of its best-characterized effects is increasing levels of circulating insulin-like growth factor I (IGF-I), which is primarily of hepatic origin. It also induces synthesis of IGF-I in most non-hepatic tissues. The effects of GH in promoting postnatal body growth are IGF-I dependent, but IGF-I-independent functions are beginning to be elucidated. Although benefits of GH administration have been reported for those who suffer from GH deficiency, there is currently very little evidence to support an anabolic role for supraphysiological levels of systemic GH or IGF-I in skeletal muscle of healthy individuals. There may be other performance-enhancing effects of GH. In contrast, the hypertrophic effects of muscle-specific IGF-I infusion are well documented in animal models and muscle cell culture systems. Studies examining the molecular responses to hypertrophic stimuli in animals and humans frequently cite upregulation of IGF-I messenger RNA or immunoreactivity. The circulatory/systemic (endocrine) and local (autocrine/paracrine) effects of GH and IGF-I may have distinct effects on muscle mass regulation.
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That being said I would tend to believe that when used in conjunction with hard training and proper nutrition the results of GH/IGF-1 muscle gain would be different if they ever set up the study as such. I remember Datbtrue talking about this, how exo IGF-1 was not going to act like intracellular IGF-1. That being said there still is an effect of course of using exo igf far too much anecdotal evidence to dispute that.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
That's in line with S2H's (4x years old) IGF-1 number on 25mg MK-677. Thanks for those numbers.
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Ended up costing me my TRT as the Doc freaked out wanted a 6 hour glucose tolerance test to check me for diabetes. It was the straw as I was tired of dealing with a less than stellar Endo who thought 200mg once every three weeks was acceptable. For the love of God how about you know some basic pharmacokinetics about a drug that has been around for almost 70 years!!!! The fact that I need a guy like this to give me permission to treat my condition is so infuriating.
 
BCseacow83 said:
That being said I would tend to believe that when used in conjunction with hard training and proper nutrition the results of GH/IGF-1 muscle gain would be different if they ever set up the study as such. I remember Datbtrue talking about this, how exo IGF-1 was not going to act like intracellular IGF-1. That being said there still is an effect of course of using exo igf far too much anecdotal evidence to dispute that.
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I suspect exo IGF-1 is more anabolic than what your body produces the same way test is, but also brings sides where as what your body produces does not.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
I suspect exo IGF-1 is more anabolic than what your body produces the same way test is, but also brings sides where as what your body produces does not.
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I would disagree, politely, that if you could ensure intracellular release to the level of exo IGF-1 used it would be a different story.

Can you elaborate on the exo test better than endo? I have never heard of that so interested. Thank you.
 
BCseacow83 said:
I would disagree, politely, that if you could ensure intracellular release to the level of exo IGF-1 used it would be a different story.

Can you elaborate on the exo test better than endo? I have never heard of that so interested. Thank you.
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Sorry, just various studies I've read over the years but nothing I can link you to for reference. I assume it could be the case with IGF but that's just speculation on my part.
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
Sorry, just various studies I've read over the years but nothing I can link you to for reference. I assume it could be the case with IGF but that's just speculation on my part.
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Depending on your definition of "better" Id say youre right, in as much as the esters can make exo-test "better" than endo-test.
 
When all this blood work drops from users this is going to be the best thread ever! So happy to put the skeptics to rest with Hi-Tech
 
If this increases IGF levels similar to that of MK would there be an advantage to taking this over MK? Price wise they seem similar.
 
The Whizard said:
If this increases IGF levels similar to that of MK would there be an advantage to taking this over MK? Price wise they seem similar.
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well, with what has been communicated to me is that IGF1 takes the "middle man" out of the equation. Now what benefit this really serves is unknown to me. Im sure Vaughn will chime in.
 
The Whizard said:
If this increases IGF levels similar to that of MK would there be an advantage to taking this over MK? Price wise they seem similar.
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rowz4broz said:
well, with what has been communicated to me is that IGF1 takes the "middle man" out of the equation. Now what benefit this really serves is unknown to me. Im sure Vaughn will chime in.
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If they both increase IGF-1 the same, the benefit over MK 677, is that this product should be around, and not be band and/or hard to get her hands on.
 
alvin1 said:
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If they both increase IGF-1 the same, the benefit over MK 677, is that this product should be around, and not be band and/or hard to get her hands on.
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This is true. There should be no reason with current laws for this to be banned
 
Killcure666 said:
Couldn't this technology work for insulin as well? HGH? Pretty much any bioactive peptide
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I had actually suggested this a long time ago when I learned about the delivery technology. I am not sure however of the safety of an oral insulin product. Not somethign I'd mess with.
 
rowz4broz said:
well, with what has been communicated to me is that IGF1 takes the "middle man" out of the equation. Now what benefit this really serves is unknown to me. Im sure Vaughn will chime in.
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It'd be akin to taking a prohormone to testosterone, or taking testosterone itself. Removing the middleman is just about always the best way to go.
 
Not doing blood work, but have been 3 days into dosing pre-workout and my sleep has greatly improved since starting. Dreams are very vivid, but sleep is great. It seems like I am sleeping like a notch deeper than usual. Waking up can be a little harder, but I feel like I have more energy when I am up and moving.
 
compan said:
Not doing blood work, but have been 3 days into dosing pre-workout and my sleep has greatly improved since starting. Dreams are very vivid, but sleep is great. It seems like I am sleeping like a notch deeper than usual. Waking up can be a little harder, but I feel like I have more energy when I am up and moving.
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I know what you mean..been on 4 days and wake a little..."groggy".
 
compan said:
Not doing blood work, but have been 3 days into dosing pre-workout and my sleep has greatly improved since starting. Dreams are very vivid, but sleep is great. It seems like I am sleeping like a notch deeper than usual. Waking up can be a little harder, but I feel like I have more energy when I am up and moving.
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Its my 13th day on it (40mcg).daily and the only thing I can report is like you said , deeper sleep, very and I mean VERY vivid dreams. Waking up groggy :)
 
VaughnTrue said:
I had actually suggested this a long time ago when I learned about the delivery technology. I am not sure however of the safety of an oral insulin product. Not somethign I'd mess with.
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Insulin requires a degree of precision. IMO, while this delivery technology may allow for these molecules to be absorbed orally, unless they can precisely deliver consistent, measurable dosages I think it far to risky.

Additionally, Insulin (unlike IGF-1) is readily available and affordable. IMO, no real advantages for its application with Insulin.
 
StatePlan1425 said:
Insulin requires a degree of precision. IMO, while this delivery technology may allow for these molecules to be absorbed orally, unless they can precisely deliver consistent, measurable dosages I think it far to risky.

Additionally, Insulin (unlike IGF-1) is readily available and affordable. IMO, no real advantages for its application with Insulin.
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People(diabetics) would always choose an oral option over injectable. But I 100% agree with the precision. Too many variables to use GI absorption. And I doubt that a supplement company will come up with the delivery mechanism before big pharma labs. Maybe this product/thread will prove me wrong. 10 positive labs and it would probably become part of my anti aging protocol
 
StatePlan1425 said:
Insulin requires a degree of precision. IMO, while this delivery technology may allow for these molecules to be absorbed orally, unless they can precisely deliver consistent, measurable dosages I think it far to risky.

Additionally, Insulin (unlike IGF-1) is readily available and affordable. IMO, no real advantages for its application with Insulin.
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In addition, inhaleable insulin already exists and is extremely precise for dosing. Which means oral insulin would already be obsolete.
 
Sorry to ask this again but what's the verdict on stacking this with MK 677... mine just came in the mail today. IGF1 PoWO and MK an hour before bed?
 
JohnnieFreeze said:
There probably is synergy..I think peeps suggest to run solo just to see if it works for you.
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how could there "probably be synergy" i don't think you truly understand what synergy is. Two things working well together isn't synergy, synergy is actually quite rare to come across in the real world.

a more accurate statement would be "synergy could be possible", as i can see it its not impossible just less likely.
 
scump said:
how could there "probably be synergy" i don't think you truly understand what synergy is. Two things working well together isn't synergy, synergy is actually quite rare to come across in the real world.

a more accurate statement would be "synergy could be possible", as i can see it its not impossible just less likely.
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Oh.
 
BCseacow83 said:
Ended up costing me my TRT as the Doc freaked out wanted a 6 hour glucose tolerance test to check me for diabetes. It was the straw as I was tired of dealing with a less than stellar Endo who thought 200mg once every three weeks was acceptable. For the love of God how about you know some basic pharmacokinetics about a drug that has been around for almost 70 years!!!! The fact that I need a guy like this to give me permission to treat my condition is so infuriating.
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apparently this is the usual upper frequency for "normal" TRT (not the kind of trt some bodybuilders usw, because 150 e7d aint TRT..)
i am on 250mg E4w..
of course, at the end of those 4 weeks, your test is pretty low again, but they dont shoot once a week.. e3w is max (at least in germany)
 
scump said:
how could there "probably be synergy" i don't think you truly understand what synergy is. Two things working well together isn't synergy, synergy is actually quite rare to come across in the real world.

a more accurate statement would be "synergy could be possible", as i can see it its not impossible just less likely.
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This definition works for me "the interaction or cooperation of two or more organizations, substances, or other agents to produce a combined effect greater than the sum of their separate effects".
 
Can we please keep this thread about Hi Tech Pro IGF1 ? Plenty of good info/discussion but it would be best to keep Mk677 and other compounds out of this thread :)
 
Danes said:
Can we please keep this thread about Hi Tech Pro IGF1 ? Plenty of good info/discussion but it would be best to keep Mk677 and other compounds out of this thread :)
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Agreed..and no need for people to clutter a productive thread with personal criticisms..they can PM for that if they feel they must go off topic.
 
Danes said:
Can we please keep this thread about Hi Tech Pro IGF1 ? Plenty of good info/discussion but it would be best to keep Mk677 and other compounds out of this thread :)
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JohnnieFreeze said:
Agreed..and no need for people to clutter a productive thread with personal criticisms..they can PM for that if they feel they must go off topic.
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Separate thread made for this purpose :)

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Danes said:
Can we please keep this thread about Hi Tech Pro IGF1 ? Plenty of good info/discussion but it would be best to keep Mk677 and other compounds out of this thread :)
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Thanks for this and for the link above Ricky10
 
ManuR said:
apparently this is the usual upper frequency for "normal" TRT (not the kind of trt some bodybuilders usw, because 150 e7d aint TRT..)
i am on 250mg E4w..
of course, at the end of those 4 weeks, your test is pretty low again, but they dont shoot once a week.. e3w is max (at least in germany)
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Using test cyp every three weeks is improper and by the end of week one your levels are almost baseline. I know in Europe Nebido is often used so then E3W would work just fine.
 
Hey guys. Will this product increase the amount of cells? Hyperplasia? Or whatever its called. Or will it only help with recovery and hunger?
 
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