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Help with setting up this cycle?????

modernoscar

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Msten
Epi
4-Andro

This will be my 2nd cycle. Ran Msten 6 months ago by itself(with proper assists and PCT) Gained 25 pounds, kept 12-14 so I was happy with that. Made me pretty tired at the end so I was going to add in 4-Andro for lethargy.

I fully realize Oral only cycles aren't the best for my body but I feel with proper on cycle support and recovery in PCT I can do it once in a while. I currently have no access to AAS or I would run Test with this cycle.

Is Msten,Epi,4-Andro too much at once?

Would it be better to start with Msten and add in Epi later on?

My plan is 4 weeks for this cycle with TUDCA, AI Life Support, clean diet.

PCT will be Nolva-20/20/10/10, DAA, Ostarine, maybe S-4.

Advice? Flaming is welcomed but if you could add in some experience with these compunds I'd appreciate it.

Stats-6', 195 lbs, 9-11bf.

I should throw in I'm looking to really lean up with some size on this one. Before it was a straight bulk(about 80 percent clean)

Thanks boys
 
Do you need to stack 2 of them?? Why not just run Msten again, seems like you blew up like a blimp from that

I don't like osta in PCT
 
GeekPoop said:
Do you need to stack 2 of them?? Why not just run Msten again, seems like you blew up like a blimp from that

I don't like osta in PCT
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I did man!! The best part was I was really dry. I didn't look like I gained any body fat at all. I was pumped all the time and had new veins popping every where.

I'm going for more of a physique comp look because I'd like to get into the industry in the future so I was hoping the Epi would increase the cut even more. S-4 in PCT or on next cycle could be helpful as well for this.

Why no Osta in PCT?
 
modernoscar said:
I did man!! The best part was I was really dry. I didn't look like I gained any body fat at all. I was pumped all the time and had new veins popping every where.

I'm going for more of a physique comp look because I'd like to get into the industry in the future so I was hoping the Epi would increase the cut even more. S-4 in PCT or on next cycle could be helpful as well for this.

Why no Osta in PCT?
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Oh gothca so trying to stay hard / look lean? How about adding in some type of fat burner or something? ECA / clen / t3... something along those ya know? Do you have an actual comp, or just trying to look like a competitor?

Well I've been out of the sarm new for a while, but last I recall osta is suppressive. I've used osta before, and wasn't too impressed with it tbh.
 
GeekPoop said:
Oh gothca so trying to stay hard / look lean? How about adding in some type of fat burner or something? ECA / clen / t3... something along those ya know? Do you have an actual comp, or just trying to look like a competitor?

Well I've been out of the sarm new for a while, but last I recall osta is suppressive. I've used osta before, and wasn't too impressed with it tbh.[/QUOTE

No competition for me. Don't know yet if I want to do any of those or not. My cousin is a photographer and I want to be razor sharp when I do a profile of pics come April. And I have Clen, but I haven't touched it yet. Funny thing is I'll do oral steroids but Clen scares me a little haha.
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I think semi-recklessly you could run these 2 methyls and get great results. Dosage would be a big concern as I would think 20Msten/40Epi should be your maximum.
 
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No competition for me. Don't know yet if I want to do any of those or not. My cousin is a photographer and I want to be razor sharp when I do a profile of pics come April. And I have Clen, but I haven't touched it yet. Funny thing is I'll do oral steroids but Clen scares me a little haha.[/QUOTE]

Oral steroids besides the liver toxicity shouldn't scare you too much. Clen has many more health risks so I tend to agree with you, here....
 
Matthersby said:
I think semi-recklessly you could run these 2 methyls and get great results. Dosage would be a big concern as I would think 20Msten/40Epi should be your maximum.
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Agree. If you are going longer than 4 weeks I would also consider only 20msten/30epi
 
rphash49 said:
Agree. If you are going longer than 4 weeks I would also consider only 20msten/30epi
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Am only going 4 weeks. You guys think liver will handle these fine with TUDCA and AI Life Support?

I was also thinking of putting in 4-Andro for lethargy.

Haha by recklessly you mean people over exaggerate the toxicity? Cause I'm looking to be as cautious as possible.
 
I definitely think toxicity is exaggerated by most because they believe the liver is an organ that sustains long-term injury from extremely short-term moderate stress(it doesn't)
but when you get to week 4 of a stack of 2 methyls, you can't wait to not feel like sh!t in a week, regardless of a nice test base.
My last SD/test cycle I couldn't eat on the 4th week. That does not help a bulking cycle.
 
Good thing last time was. About a week on Nolva after my cycle I was back to normal feeling.
But I was very, very tired the last week on Msten.
Now that I'm gonna do Epi and Msten together I felt the 4-Andro might help with lethargy because of its Test conversion.
 
I would probably opt for just Msten, however Msten bridged into Epi just be nice for leaning out your gains. BUT the problem is most msten is contaminated with SD and I always recommend going straight into pct after SD. I guess it depends if you trust the purity of your msten seeing that no one provides 3rd party labs anymore
 
mw1 said:
I would probably opt for just Msten, however Msten bridged into Epi just be nice for leaning out your gains. BUT the problem is most msten is contaminated with SD and I always recommend going straight into pct after SD. I guess it depends if you trust the purity of your msten seeing that no one provides 3rd party labs anymore
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Am I allowed to post where my Msten is from on here?
 
rphash49 said:
You can post the brand. While it should be a low percentage all m-sten on the market has some SD in it. I was told its because of the way it's made.
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It's Iron Mag Labs Msten. Supposed to be completely free of SD, 100 pure Methylstenbolone. I've read nothing but good things about it.
 
modernoscar said:
It's Iron Mag Labs Msten. Supposed to be completely free of SD, 100 pure Methylstenbolone. I've read nothing but good things about it.
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While they can be a little pricey I like IML products. CEL could not get a single batch 100% free from SD and said it was basically not possible. Only way to know for sure is to test it. I personally wouldn't worry about it.
 
So I have this on hand:

IML Msten
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a
IML 4-Andro
Whats the best way to bring in Epi? Kickstart with Msten a week or two then throw the Epi in?
Or start both at the same time?

Doing 20mg max on Msten a day. Only did 16mg last time and grew a ton.
 
modernoscar said:
So I have this on hand:

IML Msten
Vital Labs Epi 2a3a
IML 4-Andro
Whats the best way to bring in Epi? Kickstart with Msten a week or two then throw the Epi in?
Or start both at the same time?

Doing 20mg max on Msten a day. Only did 16mg last time and grew a ton.
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I would do it this way

M-sten 20/20/20/20
Epi 30/30/30/30/40/40

What are you going to do about lethargy?
 
rphash49 said:
I would do it this way M-sten 20/20/20/20 Epi 30/30/30/30/40/40 What are you going to do about lethargy?
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If i do run Epi for the extra 2 weeks do I need to start my Torem after I stop Msten?
And for lethargy I was gonna add in 4-Andro from IML
 
rphash49 said:
I would do it this way M-sten 20/20/20/20 Epi 30/30/30/30/40/40 What are you going to do about lethargy?
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do I wait til after week 6 then to start PCT? Or start when the 4 was on Msten is up?
And I'm running 4-Andro by IML for lethargy,hope it works
 
modernoscar said:
And honestly you think the Msten, Epi, 4-Andro wouldn't be too much at once on the organs??
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I would run it. If you have not ran M-sten before I would say run that solo first. I would use trest in place of 4-andro. Epi is fairly weak at 30-40mg.
 
modernoscar said:
I did man!! The best part was I was really dry. I didn't look like I gained any body fat at all. I was pumped all the time and had new veins popping every where.

I'm going for more of a physique comp look because I'd like to get into the industry in the future so I was hoping the Epi would increase the cut even more. S-4 in PCT or on next cycle could be helpful as well for this.

Why no Osta in PCT?
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Throw Ara into pct
 
pete8407 said:
Cool, keep me informed!
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Guys, some late ideas here.

Would it be any better to start with just Epi for 2 weeks then start Msten at week 3-6?

Or run MSTEN high dose for 2 weeks and finish with Epi? I really am looking to maximize this ripped looked.

I've been around 5 percent all natural before. Couldn't imagine if I had the size to go with it!!
 
modernoscar said:
Guys, some late ideas here.

Would it be any better to start with just Epi for 2 weeks then start Msten at week 3-6?

Or run MSTEN high dose for 2 weeks and finish with Epi? I really am looking to maximize this ripped looked.

I've been around 5 percent all natural before. Couldn't imagine if I had the size to go with it!!
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End with epi
 
rphash49 said:
Yes I would also have taurine on hand for back pumps. They can be very painful for some. Also m-sten gives me lethargy so you may want to think about combating that
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Have plenty of Taurine. Back pumps came hard in PCTst time and I had no idea taurine worked so well.

I have IML 4-Andro for lethargy, here's hoping it actually works. I had amazing energy on Msten until the last half of the cycle. Then shutdown hit me hard!!
 
Matthersby said:
I definitely think toxicity is exaggerated by most because they believe the liver is an organ that sustains long-term injury from extremely short-term moderate stress(it doesn't)
but when you get to week 4 of a stack of 2 methyls, you can't wait to not feel like sh!t in a week, regardless of a nice test base.
My last SD/test cycle I couldn't eat on the 4th week. That does not help a bulking cycle.
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Touche. Me too brotha
 
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