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Alpine
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yeahright said:
I agree, its all speculation. I dont think it will "shut you down less" or require less of a post cycle therapy or anything like that. Compounds that dont even aromatize will still shut you down.
I think this will be a lot like superdrol except with less sides and maybe not as Explosive in terms of raw gains. I still think it will be one of the more effective PH"s we have seen in a while. I think there will be pronounced hardening and VERY dry gains due to the anti-E activity of the compound itself. Im curious about the lipid profiles though. Hopefully it will be better than superdrol (and I think it will). However, Anti-E's like arimidex alone can screw with your lipid profiles pretty bad. If you take .5-1mg of arimidex for 5-6 weeks you can see this. Lowering estrogen too much is also not a good thing.
Its very interesting to see how it turns out. Im excited to say the least. I think my GF is going to order me a bottle as part of my Xmas gift.
Make no mistake, we are all very obsessed and twisted. Willing guinea pigs....
There is a lot more info here:
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/55290-havoc.html
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yeahright
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jmh80 said:
Oh, pretty darn quick I suspect. There was some guy at BB.com who apparently works with/for the FDA who hinted that he'd dropped the dime to the agency about the product because someone working for one of the companies putting it out had pissed him off. :blink: Sigh.
Alpine
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jmh80 said:
Not long. "They" didnt obfuscate the structure AT ALL. This is honest but it is also risky. A think less reputable people would have "hidden" it a bit more.
If you look at the photo of the basic chemical structure, which I posted
, its a clear derivative of cholesterol (even for a layman such as myself). Major red flag... Still, props to the first arriver for using the TRUE structure name. I like the people behind Havoc so I hope they at least get some profit out of it before the FDA sends them a letter.
yeahright said:
Yes, the threads are very heated over there. Look's like Dr. D is in some hot water. Gotta love the drama between the companies. Some of that needs to remain in private phone calls not public boards. Its entertaining though! Oh when BK comes around to cut through some of the BS the reps and liars spew its a good time too.
Alpine
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B5150 said:
NO SOUP FOR YOU!
I'm tired of the Nazi-like moderation I have been seeing a lot of around here. What happened to the AM I used to love?
Dont link to PH's or retailers who sell PH"s - ok fine. We can deal with that. Otherwise, hands off our threads. Seriously, the atmosphere around here sucks. If you ban me for stating my opinion its even more of a sign that things could be getting out of hand. BB.com is a GIANT. They sell tons of everything and the volume of PH related posts is 5x what it is here. They dont moderate half as much and they seem to be operating fine. Their level of exposure and risk is also MUCH higher. I understand what you are aiming for in regard to links to illegal substances, and I agree. But you cant get out of hand with the moderation, content, and topic control.
EASE UP.
This is reminding me more of Elite every day and it makes me ****ing sick.
B5150
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No one asked you for your opinion. The owner of the board tolerates zero drama and would shut you and your threads down in a second. I have given you the consideration of asking you not to discontinue doing so. You and others continue to address, bring attention to, draw and carry-over bb.com drama to this place. Keep it and the likes of it over there. If you desire that atmosphere then stay there. Consider this your only warning. Understand it!
Discuss the compound and leave the rest out.
Discuss the compound and leave the rest out.
yeahright
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daniel35 said:
LMD posted these test results on another board from the version of this product his company is about to offer. Doesn't appear to hit the lipid profiles bad at all especially compared to superdrol which this product is frequently compared to.
Value: Before and After
40mg/day 4 weeks
AST: 24 52
ALT: 20 45
GGT: 15 21
ALB: 4.5 4.8
TBIL: 0.6 0.5
CHOL: 199 208
LDL: 129 147
HDL: 30 26
Alpine
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yeahright said:
Ya looks ok. I would like to see some unrelated 3rd party results though too. I can only trust stuff like this from Reps/Companies so much, you know what I mean? If anyone associated got bad results it wouldnt see the light of day.
Were they said to be LMD's (IBE Rep. and the "other" company selling it) or one of the "beta testers"? I would like to see someone unrelated give us some results.I do think we are going to see less disruption than with superdrol on the lipids though. BK said it should be VERY clean and I respect his opinion a lot. Say what you want about him, but he knows his sh1t.
B5150
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It does seem to be more lipid friendly then liver. When I was a tester for superdrol my ast/alt/ggt were unchanged even at 50mg but my lipids were wacked. Those liver values are doubled and I believe right at the high, which for short durations is really not too bad and will bounce back once it is discontinued. Lipids tend to require a bit longer to recover.
Dwight Schrute
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Alpine said:
Who prohibited you from talking about a subject here?
Fvck if I know. I've been away on business for a week.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
I really feel bad if airport security opened up my suitcase on the way back.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
What drama? I thought everyone believes it will be good.
dsade
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Lipids are being tested by Sputnik at M&M.
Other logs should be out this week.
BTW, this compound (much like the MDHT/M5aa) is quite neuroactive. I have never had such GREAT, AGGRO workouts.
No blood pressure issues, only one instance of androgen-related acne on my chin.
Other logs should be out this week.
BTW, this compound (much like the MDHT/M5aa) is quite neuroactive. I have never had such GREAT, AGGRO workouts.
No blood pressure issues, only one instance of androgen-related acne on my chin.
Alpine
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Bobo said:
B5150 said:
In my original Havoc post ( http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/55290-havoc.html ) I was told to edit my comments numerous times my members/mods cowering like whipped dogs. All I did was discuss M&M and the companies introducing the new compound. It was pretty mild and contained no 'source posts'. I didn't blatantly break any rules. Either way, the backlash from mods was suprising and lame - not a welcome addition to the open free flow of info that this board has always represented. When the Mods start posting more than the members and constantly regulating the direction of posts, you have a problem. i.e. Elite forums.
Your comments in this thread serve as further examples of the lameness. I wasnt bringing any drama over here. I was just talking about the circus act between companies over at BB.com and replying to yeahright's post. How many people are you guys going to run off?
Anyway, I need to go do something else. Im not in the mood for this tonight. I will just mouth off more.
Peace guys.
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Alpine said:In my original Havoc post ( http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/55290-havoc.html ) I was told to edit my comments numerous times my members/mods cowering like whipped dogs. All I did was discuss M&M and the companies introducing the new compound. It was pretty mild and contained no 'source posts'. Either way, the backlash was suprising and lame - not a welcome addition to the open free flow of info that this board has always represented.
Your comments in this thread serve as further examples of the lameness. I wasnt bringing any drama over here. I was just talking about the circus act between companies over at BB.com and replying to yeahright's post. How many people are you guys going to run off?
Anyway, I need to go do something else. Im not in the mood for this tonight. I will just mouth off more.
You seem unsettled
Dwight Schrute
I am faster than 80% of all snakes
Jayhawkk said:
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Alpine said:Not long. "They" didnt obfuscate the structure AT ALL. This is honest but it is also risky. A think less reputable people would have "hidden" it a bit more.
If you look at the photo of the basic chemical structure, which I posted
Still, props to the first arriver for using the TRUE structure name. I like the people behind Havoc so I hope they at least get some profit out of it before the FDA sends them a letter.
Yes, the threads are very heated over there. Look's like Dr. D is in some hot water. Gotta love the drama between the companies. Some of that needs to remain in private phone calls not public boards. Its entertaining though! Oh when BK comes around to cut through some of the BS the reps and liars spew its a good time too.
It probably wont get banned, but they will probably will recieve a warning letter from the fda consdering that it doesn't even remotely fit into DSHEA as a dietary supplement (Where the hell do thiolated steroids occur in nature??).
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This Havoc sounds like fun... 
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jmh80 said:
Theoretically, if the store near me decides to stockpile it like they did with other "discontinued" products (yes, I mean SD/PP/HD50/EM).. If they do this, theoretically, I can get a good $10 off each bottle, then another 10% off the total..
In theory, I got 10 boxes of HD50 for $35 each, retail at $64.99...
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