Halodrol 50 Hypothesis

Until i got 1 bottle of Sci Fit H4 (Halo clone) i already use arimevol (the same compound of epi/havoc) with awesome gains but never used halo clone so in your experience is for bulk or cut?
 
First off I wanna say it's great to find a good forum like this with a lot of people who do their research and who are so knowledgable. I'll be stopping by here much more often! Now onto business:

I'm on my 7th day taking HOT SOS by Geared Up nutrition, which has similar compounds to Halodrol-50 and Superdrol (50mg Halodrol and 10mg Superdrol per capsule). It also has creatine ethyl ester, ephedra extract, and vanadyl sulfate (an insulin mimicker). Haven't noticed any huge differences in the first week, but am expecting things to pick up in the 2nd/3rd weeks. I'm taking 2 caps per day 6-8 hours apart. Eating quality meals, 200+ grams of protein per day, and drinking 1+ gallons of water. I'm considering taking a 6 week cycle on this supp (as opposed to the 4 week as I had planned) because it takes a while for the stuff to kick in and the gains to start getting good. My question is if the superdrol and other components (creatine ethyl ester, ephedra, and vanadyl sulfate) would make this not such a good idea as just taking the Halodrol alone. I've got PCT/Liver support taken care of, and I'm 21 BTW. I'm farely confident with going the 6 weeks but maybe you guys could suggest a dosage for the last two weeks? Any info is appreciated.
 
100 mg. per day of halo might be ok, based on findings in this thread, but adding an additional 20 mg. of sd will probably bring a lot of sides. Do you have lots of liver protection lined up? If not, start loading up on it like RIGHT now.
 
I've got CTD Liver Armor, but wasn't going to take it until the 3rd week of my cycle. I read that liver support can actually decrease the effectiveness of a PH. Also have Reversitol for PCT. But if the SD is going to make that much of a difference in side effects, then I'll start it today. I'd rather lose a little of my gains than get gyno.
 
Sorry, double post. There are theories that liver protection can decrease gains, but I don't think that's been proven. The doses you're using, plus combining two methyls would necessitate liver protection from day 1, if not preloaded. Even if you get slightly less in the way of gains, you'll be saving your liver a ton of stress. Halo isn't so bad on the liver, but sd can be, esp when stacked w/ another methyl.
 
So would liver damage be the only danger, or does SD also up the chance of Gyno? I'm starting the Liver Armor today. My multi has a detox formula in it, that should help also.

And as far as dosage goes, perhaps going Halo-50/SD-10 on the last week instead of 100/20?
 
With sd it's mostly liver and lipid issues. Gyno isn't usually a concern on cycle, but some have experienced "delayed gyno" after PCT. Dr. D's theory is that it results from the use of nolva. He think toremifine is a better SERM to use w/ sd to avoid this.
 
Yeah but Toremifene is major bucks man, I'll have to stick with the Reversitol. I know it's not technically a SERM but it's pretty dern close. And if gyno flares up post cycle, I have easy access to a real SERM. Thanks for the info man, and more is still welcome haha.
 
I dunno if I'd go the non-SERM route here, but that's up to you. Torem. can be found cheaper some places than others, just shop around. I'd say the 1 pill a day thing for your cycle is good for now. Maybe in the last week up it, as you said.
 
nightfly71 said:
I dunno if I'd go the non-SERM route here, but that's up to you. Torem. can be found cheaper some places than others, just shop around. I'd say the 1 pill a day thing for your cycle is good for now. Maybe in the last week up it, as you said.
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I don't know if you read my first post, but I'm already taking 2 caps a day of the HOT SOS. I was actually asking if I should lower my dosage the last week to help my body cycle off of it. Unless you were referring to my PCT, if so my bad. I'll look into finding Torem for a decent price though.
 
nightfly71 said:
With sd it's mostly liver and lipid issues. Gyno isn't usually a concern on cycle, but some have experienced "delayed gyno" after PCT. Dr. D's theory is that it results from the use of nolva. He think toremifine is a better SERM to use w/ sd to avoid this.
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I'm not in any position to disagree with D as he really knows his stuff. But, I have to say, that my serm of choice post SD was torem and I rebounded about 4-6 weeks after pct.
 
celc5 said:
I'm not in any position to disagree with D as he really knows his stuff. But, I have to say, that my serm of choice post SD was torem and I rebounded about 4-6 weeks after pct.
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Forgive me for not knowing the lingo, but you 'rebounded' as in your test lowered and estrogen shot up? Did you get gyno? Thnx
 
fenderman said:
Forgive me for not knowing the lingo, but you 'rebounded' as in your test lowered and estrogen shot up? Did you get gyno? Thnx
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Eventually, I got bloodwork and everything turned out within normal range and barely different than the year before.

I was referring more to rebound symptoms where I eventually developed a small lump.
 
Some of that gyno rebound will be attributable to being prone to it. Some guys seem to get it very easily and some just don't. I've run a decent amount of ph's and have never had it.

There have been very short periods of time where a small lump seemed to come up but then disappeared. It may have just been me being paranoid, too. In any case, I say always use a SERM, just to be safe. I generally go w/ nolva, but for sd I'd go w/ the torem.
 
cel h-drol 50/50/50/75/75
+Cycle Support orange
+RPN pre w/o

ptc PP Testosterone Recovery Stack + toren weeks 1+2 40mg
+RPN pre w/o

sounds like good set up?
 
qwerty33 said:
cel h-drol 50/50/50/75/75
+Cycle Support orange
+RPN pre w/o

ptc PP Testosterone Recovery Stack + toren weeks 1+2 40mg
+RPN pre w/o

sounds like good set up?
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Im planning on running h-drol in around a months time hopefully for a 5 week run, most likely i'll be ordering the Testosterone Recovery Stack is well for my pct, personally I dont see the point of having the TRS and using a SERM as well, seeing as hdrol will be pretty mild with suppression.

Maybe an older member here can confirm this? :)

Wish you all the best for your cycle mate.
 
I would always have a SERM on hand just in case.
 
serms are harsh on the body and have many neg sides. that y avoiding them whenever possible is best choice imo
 
thanks from the guy who has 1 post

"then shouldnt you be avoiding PH/DS altogether?"

yes probably but thats y i like h-50 its mild and does not req a serm in most cases

n i do use serms for the more harsher ph that i have ran in the past
 
qwerty33 said:
thanks from the guy who has 1 post

"then shouldnt you be avoiding PH/DS altogether?"

yes probably but thats y i like h-50 its mild and does not req a serm in most cases

n i do use serms for the more harsher ph that i have ran in the past
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halodrol-50 was a mix of Halodrol and DMT.
Did you know that?
 
only the 1st batch contained dmt and it was a small one. from cross contamination. was only the 07 exp date boxes. never took those. all i know is that h-50 reacts well w/ my body. my most ripped i have been was when i was running it 4 wks at 50mg
 
nothing like torem for getting pct test levels back quick. seriously worked soooo much better than clomid or nolva. i mean why take a chance when torem is so cheap and side effects are minimal? i will never do any aas again without hcg, igf and torem. seriously makes pct a breeze.
 
qwerty33 said:
serms are harsh on the body and have many neg sides. that y avoiding them whenever possible is best choice imo
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AHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

fightbackhxc said:
I would always have a SERM on hand just in case.
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Okay, I should probably set one thing straight. THERE IS NO ON HAND. Talk to people who have had failed OTC PCT, and they will tell you that its impossible to know if your PCT has failed until AFTER your PCT. SOme people notice it 2-4 weeks POST PCT. Now, if you are going to have something on hand to 'treat gyno' that is different, and in that case an AI is better for suppressing gyno. However, the negative feedback loop is not as efficient as modulating receptors, and AI's as a whole (especially chemical AIs) require a lot of tapering and a lot of experience. What I am getting at is that OTC is an AI, and then having sides and trying to combat it with another AI is going to be DIFFICULT. Not only that, but the gyno issues will become a problem AFTER the AI ceases and the sudden spike in estrogen levels arises. Just use a SERM FFS.

The entire point is, if you have a SERM on hand, just use it. the negative feedback is more effective, the product as a whole is far more failsafe, and over a 4 week period it simply will work. Not to mention its cheaper. If you are willing to buy research chemicals, JUST USE THEM. You are foolish not to.

Another thing I should correct is the idea that OTC PCT's fail. They dont. The user has simply underdosed them by taking the company's recommendation for AI use. They've tapered down too quickly for how their body has reacted, or they didn't take it long enough to cause indirect upregulation of the HPTA. An AI, taken *perfectly* will *always* work. However, it is very difficult for someone who does not know EXACTLY what they are doing. Like I said, use a serm. Its nearly failsafe. And no, its not hard on your body. If you were worried about hard on your body, you probably shouldn't have consumed oral steroids. Just a thought. SERMs are not even in the same toxicity ballpark.

(strong 5th post. lulz. I subbed here for the newsletter with company promos, I typically hang at PHF)
 
nightfly71 said:
A recent study showed nolva to be superior for restoring test levels.
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Lets see it? I've seen *NO* study regarding bodybuilders use of SERMs to upregulate the HPTA. In fact, they couldnt do such a test. An uncontrolled substance or not, a lab running tests with a research chemical sold strictly for non-human consumption on bodybuilders who have used steroids in order to regulate their HPTA? Yeah right. I'll believe it when I see it. Note: Your neighbor getting a hard-on doesn't count.

KgTomCat said:
AR?? Ive been told multiple time thats your receptors can grow resistance to compounds?
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Within a short period of time. They recover pretty quickly.
 
qwerty33 said:
so then whats your guys response to this OTC ptc
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No estrogen control? Thats half the damn reason for a PCT. Other than that, I will not speak on this product. Topicals have made a lot of things that were illegal, legal. And I am too lazy to see whats in this.

Sounds better used as an on-cycle hCG replacement. Use a low dose to keep LH up and running and by the time you come off and hit pct, it'll be a ****load easier... that is of course assuming it does (and does well) what it claims. I'd toss this in at half-dose during a long strong cycle. Perhaps if you were looking at something like bold and superdrol, this would keep the boys swingin' low (optimally) intracycle.
 
munique said:
halodrol-50 was a mix of Halodrol and DMT.
Did you know that?
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The first batch was, this would be the boxes that list the polydehydrogenated polyhydrox halometh...the second batch that lists it as 4-chloro are dmt free.
 
i've used nolva and torem, and for what its worth, torem worked so dramatically better with less sides i see little reason to use nolva anymore. it's pretty well accepted among the true hardcore (of which i'm not) that torem works best in PCT, since all the juice monsters i know use torem to come off their 16 week cycles.

i guess that OTC PCT is ok, i havn't used it, but even the best OTC PCT will not be as strong and effective as the research chems (torem, nolva, etc). you don't see pros and guys on cycle for 16+ weeks at a time using that to come off, you see them using nolva, torem, clomid, etc.

keep in mind putting weight on cycle is EASSSY. the really tough part is KEEPING it through PCT.
 
Fellas need help. Was running a cycle of Powerdrol 4-chloro-17a-mehtyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol 50 MG ed. and realized about week 4 that it was not enough due to body weight. I have uped it up to 100 mg ed. and am wondering your opinion on whether to run it another another cycle with no break. I also have some EVO LABS Dianevol (superdrol Clone) and was wondering about your thought on using Powerdrol on off days and Dianevol on workout days. I am using cycle support and have reveritrol for PCT with others...cannot get hold of a SERM any suggestion are greatly appreciated.
 
rmbowen37 said:
Fellas need help. Was running a cycle of Powerdrol 4-chloro-17a-mehtyl-androst-1,4-diene-3-17b-diol 50 MG ed. and realized about week 4 that it was not enough due to body weight. I have uped it up to 100 mg ed. and am wondering your opinion on whether to run it another another cycle with no break. I also have some EVO LABS Dianevol (superdrol Clone) and was wondering about your thought on using Powerdrol on off days and Dianevol on workout days. I am using cycle support and have reveritrol for PCT with others...cannot get hold of a SERM any suggestion are greatly appreciated.
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you could extend your cycle a week or two but don't stack the superdrol in there man, best to just run this cycle, do your PCT then come back in 3-4 months and do another cycle with superdrol
 
i'll be the guinea pig,

looks like i'll be running a cycle of Hdrol ramping up from 50 to 100mg a week over a 7-8 week cycle, with 250mg of test cyp and HCG. looking to stak Pplex in there also ramping up from 10-40mg over 4 weeks, and i'll be adding one shot of 600mg deca at the beginning. IGF will be used in for the first week and during PCT.

i've done probably 5 serious cycles and many other shorter oral cycles so i know my body pretty good. i'm down 20lbs from my "prime" over the last year and so should have decent muscle memory too.

i'll keep a log here, so look for it and we'll see what happens.
 
neverstop said:
i'll be the guinea pig,

looks like i'll be running a cycle of Hdrol ramping up from 50 to 100mg a week over a 7-8 week cycle, with 250mg of test cyp and HCG. looking to stak Pplex in there also ramping up from 10-40mg over 4 weeks, and i'll be adding one shot of 600mg deca at the beginning. IGF will be used in for the first week and during PCT.

i've done probably 5 serious cycles and many other shorter oral cycles so i know my body pretty good. i'm down 20lbs from my "prime" over the last year and so should have decent muscle memory too.

i'll keep a log here, so look for it and we'll see what happens.
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log???
 
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