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Had gyno surgery, Stay away from M-drol

liftingAddict

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So here's a little bit about my ph history, started young about senior yr in highschool with Rage i don't remember which RV it was maybe 4. Anyways it was great i had no idea about cycles or pct and got away with running multiple cycles of rage with no pct or gyno luckily. I didn't take another ph until sophomore year college, I ran a 10/20/20 m-drol (which i've been told is a sister of superdrol), really strong stuff, and then ran nolva as my pct which i believe was fake because this was when i first noticed some minor gyno. Gyno wasn't too bad, the next summer i took another cycle of the m-drol 10/20/20/20 with an immediate cycle of p6 black for four week, so in total an 8 week cycle followed with a pct of clomid 50/50/50/50 but it was no help or it was also fake, because i got MAJOR gyno and it was horrible. So bad that i decided to get the surgery. M-drol, at least in my case is very prone to giving gyno so i advise to stay away from it, gains were great but it's not worth it.
So now my question is, is there anyone whose been in my situaton or someone with enough knowledge to recommend a safer ph for myself. Any help would be much appreciated.
 
I don't believe that there is a such thing as a truly "Zero Gyno Risk" Steroid or PH. Name the compound and you can find someone who claims he got "gyno" from it.

Figure out how you got the gyno. Excessive or irregular dosing? Improper PCT? Or maybe you are just prone to gyno?

So I think - since you had this monster case of real gyno - then you need to approach all chems with the assumption that you're going to be battling gyno from day one of the cycle. So be ready for everything. Personally - if I had to have surgery to remove gyno I'd probably give up all chems - but that's me.

Google "16 Ways to Fight Gynecomastia" ... there is a very good post out there on the subject that will help you.
 
You should have tried epistane ibhear that can get rid of gyno.. Could have potentiomally saved a **** load of money
 
Negged bro.

First off you should have Learned you are prone to gyno and done a better job with pct. Asked vets and ensured nolva was good. Ran a 6-8 week taper, and possible a very low dose AI I needed to help keep control of any rebound estrogen. You should have leaned the first time and worked out a good system.

Saying SD is bad is stupid since it affected you this way not most most people. Calling out a specific brand name in an effort to affect their reputation is imature. Hopefully others will blast you into red as well which is where someone who speaks without thinking needs to be.
 
soon as I get home you will be negged....
you should have known better, but you decided to do another cycle when you are prone to gyno. Maybe you pct was all ****ed up? did you use an AI for PCT..
calling out a product from a company is bad here...
everyones body is different..
negged negged negged...

like Zama say
 
liftingAddict said:
So here's a little bit about my ph history, started young about senior yr in highschool with Rage i don't remember which RV it was maybe 4. Anyways it was great i had no idea about cycles or pct and got away with running multiple cycles of rage with no pct or gyno luckily. I didn't take another ph until sophomore year college, I ran a 10/20/20 m-drol (which i've been told is a sister of superdrol), really strong stuff, and then ran nolva as my pct which i believe was fake because this was when i first noticed some minor gyno. Gyno wasn't too bad, the next summer i took another cycle of the m-drol 10/20/20/20 with an immediate cycle of p6 black for four week, so in total an 8 week cycle followed with a pct of clomid 50/50/50/50 but it was no help or it was also fake, because i got MAJOR gyno and it was horrible. So bad that i decided to get the surgery. M-drol, at least in my case is very prone to giving gyno so i advise to stay away from it, gains were great but it's not worth it.
So now my question is, is there anyone whose been in my situaton or someone with enough knowledge to recommend a safer ph for myself. Any help would be much appreciated.
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what a waste of time...
 
:kabong:Dude - seriously, you were so foolish about the entire thing. Now you are asking for another hormonal product after getting gyno surgery? Just stay away bro - just say no. Youre done. You failed at it. Lol and you thot mdrol was strong stuff. :kabong:

:thinking: :wtf:
 
I don't know how you can say MDrol gave you gyno, when the gyno didn't show up until PCT. I could be wrong, but I would think it would be MORE accurate (while still being completely inaccurate though) to say Clomid gave you gyno, considering you were in PCT when the gyno first reared its ugly head. The MDrol only dropped your test/estradiol to near zero. That's where the Clomid would have come in. While your test/estradiol were rising, the clomid would have de-activated the estrogen (simplified explanation, of course). The MDrol did what it was supposed to do, you on the other hand, did not! You should not have run a second cycle, of the same compound, for an EXTRA week, AFTER experiencing gyno during PCT of the first cycle. Did you even buy your Clomid from a different source than the Nolva from the first cycle? Not trying to be rude here, but this thread is filled-to-the-gills with epic failure! It's slightly annoying that someone would be willing to run a cycle, have a failing PCT (admittedly, though not necessarily your fault), and then blame the steroid for their gyno that appeared DURING that VERY SAME failing PCT! I agree with others here that are saying you should probably refrain from using these types of products. Please learn from this experience, and don't press your luck again.
--Brian
 
Also, after looking at the OTHER products you used (Rage RV4 and p6 Black)
Now, let's examine this! You used MULTIPLE cylces of Rage RV4 with ZERO PCT while in high school. Now, Rage rv4 contains the following compounds:
M1,4AD
Tren
Epistane

The Epi was probably the saving grace there as far as gyno goes, from what I've read (I've not yet used any of these compounds except for the SD, which I'm currently using) Now, you also used p6 Black (by Cellucore from what I've been able to find) in a M-Drol (4 weeks) : p6 bridge (4 weeks). Now, here's what's in the p6: androsta-1, 4-diene-3, 17-dione=1,4-AD (iForce's Bold)
androstene-1-ene-3b-ol, 17-one=1-AD (1-T prohormone)
19-norandrosta-4, 9diene-3, 17-dione=Trenbolone prohormone

It seems to me it would be difficult if not impossible to blame the M-Drol for your gyno, when you have already taken A LOT of steroids, as far as your body is concerned.
--Brian
 
the reason you have gyno isn't because of mdrol dude, it could have been your lack of knowledge with the previous cyles or because of the superdrol/ p6 black stack, 19-nor products have been known to cause gyno, not to mention being stacked with superdrol, just my 2 cents
 
chocolatemilk said:
It was most definitely the rebound of estrogen.
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I was thinking the same thing! I was also thinking the progestational activity of the tren may have upregulated some progesterone regulators, assuming that's even possible (pure speculation on my part). And then I've heard Nolva as PCT for Tren is a no-no (something about up-regulating progesterone receptors I think), so I was thinking the first case of gyno after the M-Drol cycle may not have been purely estrogenic in nature, as he used a Tren compound before, and Nolva as PCT. Pure speculation on my part though, as I have ZERO experience with tren, and not much practical experience with steroids in general. I'm just thinking out loud.
--Brian
 
Not going to address the other things other posters mentioned, but if you had surgery and they did it right with removing the gland, you should have no further risk of gyno no matter the compound.
 
negging someone- for this is child like


the guy obviously didnt know what he was doing but instead of offering him helpful advice people neg him:kabong:


WAY TO BE PRO ACTIVE PEOPLE!


Dude, I suggest you
A. Talk to a Doctor
B. Stay away from Hormones
C. IF you ever touch another hormone again please please please know what you are getting into

good luck
 
He didn't come for advice scwell he came here to put a companys product on blast.
 
ZamaMan said:
He didn't come for advice scwell he came here to put a companys product on blast.
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some choice words against that company but I bite my tongue.. what about all those ntbm bash threads? theres a bunch.. lets go neg the people bashing in those threads shall we. superdrol gives a lot of people delayed gyno for some reason, probably because it upregulates progestine receptors and so does nolva. that and a high e2 level post PCT means gyno, which is why you always use an ai and clomid in PCT if you dont want delayed gyno.
 
I will say the atmosphere on AM has gotten a bit immature, and I will also say it's not just the noobs. OP, take the time to research and ask questions next time before pointing fingers.
 
Zama what are you talking about?

He is a noob who says Mdrol gave him gyno. Not the first time this happens with newcomers. Why are you so worked up?

In reality simply Superdrol gave him gyno. Any companies Superdrol he would have tried would have probably done the same.

Simply let him know that without the negs.
 
chocolatemilk said:
Zama what are you talking about?

He is a noob who says Mdrol gave him gyno. Not the first time this happens with newcomers. Why are you so worked up?

In reality simply Superdrol gave him gyno. Any companies Superdrol he would have tried would have probably done the same.

Simply let him know that without the negs.
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CAN I GET AN AMEN BROTHAS!
 
be happy you only ended up with gyno after running endless cycles without pct or any proper research... stay away from any products that include gyno as a side effect in the future and you'll be fine!
 
eksy21 said:
be happy you only ended up with gyno after running endless cycles without pct or any proper research... stay away from any products that include gyno as a side effect in the future and you'll be fine!
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Yeah, exactly. You can get rid of gyno but sometimes you can't get your balls back.
 
ryansm said:
I will say the atmosphere on AM has gotten a bit immature, and I will also say it's not just the noobs. OP, take the time to research and ask questions next time before pointing fingers.
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+1

lots of people jump into this stuff with no idea what they're doing, they are responsible for what they ingest so yes it is their "fault" but to look at the situation in the greater context, PH's look like supplements. They are disguised as supplements so that steroids can be sold OTC. IMO the problem is that steroids are illegal.

If steroids were legal they could be properly labeled and people would have a better understanding of what they were getting into.

A lot of high schoolers, A LOT, are popping PH's cycle after cycle because they actually think that they are supplements.

It's quite unfortunate.
 
UnrealMachine said:
A lot of high schoolers, A LOT, are popping PH's cycle after cycle because they actually think that they are supplements.
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Just saw a recent news clip where some members of a high school soccer team got gyno from Tren. Can't really place 100% of the blame on them. They got it from a local supplement store, and it's not like the bottle screams "steroid". Most of these people listen to whoever works at these stores thinking that they're experts. Sometimes "15-20 pounds of muscle" is too tempting.
 
schwellington said:
negging someone- for this is child like


the guy obviously didnt know what he was doing but instead of offering him helpful advice people neg him:kabong:


WAY TO BE PRO ACTIVE PEOPLE!


Dude, I suggest you
A. Talk to a Doctor
B. Stay away from Hormones
C. IF you ever touch another hormone again please please please know what you are getting into

good luck
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right and like you gave advice to the other kid who wants to run the spawn cycle..
you blew him off..
 
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