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Gyno treatment article - 16 Ways to Fight Gynecomastia

GnastyMcNasty said:
eric, do you think one androgel packet applied to the balls a day should be sufficient to keep gyno at bay on a 500 mg test e cycle?
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Androgel contains testosterone as far as I'm aware, so it will aromatise. I'm not sure how that will help?
 
Awesome article Eric. I really do enjoy reading a lot of your articles as you and I have a lot of ideas in common and I do follow some of your methods. You put out great products at Primordial Performance and additionally I recommend your line because of not only the high quality products, but the knowledge behind them as well, plus it does help that you have one of my good forum friends John working for you ;). So reps coming to you good sir. :goodpost:

Cheers!:cheers:

-Sean-

Team APPNUT
 
felost said:
i'll run Turinabol LV + TREN LV very soon.

during cycle, to prevent gyno, i'll use vitex.
pct will be sust, alpha + tamoxifen citrate.

A anti-aromataze duryng cycle is needed?!
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i would use L-Dopa on cycle if you are worried about prolactin. I have used both and I enjoyed l dopa much much more.
 
GnastyMcNasty said:
eric, do you think one androgel packet applied to the balls a day should be sufficient to keep gyno at bay on a 500 mg test e cycle?
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AndroGel (topical Testosterone) would increase the probability of aggravating or cause the growth of gyno. You need an aromatase inhibitor.
 
matthew76 said:
AndroGel (topical Testosterone) would increase the probability of aggravating or cause the growth of gyno. You need an aromatase inhibitor.
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You primarily get DHT conversion from scrotal application... and very little aromatization (estrogen). (higher 5a-reductase, low aromatase)

-Eric
 
matthew76 said:
AndroGel (topical Testosterone) would increase the probability of aggravating or cause the growth of gyno. You need an aromatase inhibitor.
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Yeah read the article... I've mentioned this in another thread, but I had read eric's article on transdermal steroids about 9 months ago, and ever since have applied my gels to the balls for the enhanced DHT conversion. since then, I have run cycles of superdrol, epi, and x-tren with no gyno at all (i stayed on x-tren for 4 months at 150 mg a day - crazy i know different topic - but no gyno at all) I've also run pplex and am currently on 400 mg trenbolone a week, with no gyno symptoms at all.

Suffice it to say, what the article says is true. Topical testosterone applied to the balls will cause DHT conversion and stop gyno in its tracks. im living proof.
im going to run out of gels eventually and when i do, i'll probably fork up the 60 bucs and get androhard since its the second best thing apparently.

also, something else kind of interesting about the scrotal application of test.... i switched over to injections about 6 months ago from the gels, and when the doc took my test levels they were 1500, 500 free. That was from applying roughly 2/3 of one packet to my balls and another 1 1/3 to my shoulders/neck. Thats higher than my test levels are now at 200 mg cypionate a week...
 
Gnasty, have you had any gyno or gyno symptoms in the past? I think someone who is susceptible to gyno may have a different reaction to running that crazyass x-tren cycle with only androgel to keep up dht/ keep down estrogen.
 
GnastyMcNasty said:
Yeah read the article... I've mentioned this in another thread, but I had read eric's article on transdermal steroids about 9 months ago, and ever since have applied my gels to the balls for the enhanced DHT conversion. since then, I have run cycles of superdrol, epi, and x-tren with no gyno at all (i stayed on x-tren for 4 months at 150 mg a day - crazy i know different topic - but no gyno at all) I've also run pplex and am currently on 400 mg trenbolone a week, with no gyno symptoms at all.
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Wow, you've run 3+ cycles in 9 months, with one lasting 4 months?
:eek:
 
Balance said:
Gnasty, have you had any gyno or gyno symptoms in the past? I think someone who is susceptible to gyno may have a different reaction to running that crazyass x-tren cycle with only androgel to keep up dht/ keep down estrogen.
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No, I had never had gyno nor had any symptoms. If someone has pre-existing gyno, I imagine they might need something more than DHT like letro or caber or something, but even then, I still think the DHT factor is important, and should be included in their anti-gyno therapy.
 
GnastyMcNasty said:
I'm giving very rough estimates when i say "6 months ago etc." ... except for the 4 months on x-tren. thats pretty much exactly how long i was on it. but 3 cycles in 9 months.... yup.
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So you were never OFF, were you? Holy sh*t, man. It's your body, so do with it as you wish; I will not tell a grown man that he is risking his health. I do want to know if you have been getting full panels taken (routinely), like VERY routinely.
 
nice GM NICE! DBOL 30mg 6months anrold style!
 
DAMMIT! cannot give more REPS to GM !
 
Well I mean I blast and cruise... I'm on TRT. I take 200 mg cypionate a week plus however many gels i rub on my balls a day... so yeah... i'm on for life. ive got hcg for the boys and lets not even talk about cholesterol.... i take so many supps specifically for cholesterol its not even funny... plus i also take a rx statin. so... i definitely have plenty of "damage control" going on.

however i would not recommend what i do to anyone else etc. etc. lol

Like charles barkeley said "i am not a role model"
 
GnastyMcNasty said:
Well I mean I blast and cruise... I'm on TRT. I take 200 mg cypionate a week plus however many gels i rub on my balls a day... so yeah... i'm on for life. ive got hcg for the boys and lets not even talk about cholesterol.... i take so many supps specifically for cholesterol its not even funny... plus i also take a rx statin. so... i definitely have plenty of "damage control" going on.

however i would not recommend what i do to anyone else etc. etc. lol

Like charles barkeley said "i am not a role model"
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Okay, I didn't know you were on TRT; although, I do hope your liver loves you in the long run. 200mg a week for TRT? Is that doctor prescibed dosage? I am on 250mg ever 2 weeks. My levels are in the 1100 range, which is good for me. I also get more than I need per refill, so I time my Blast period (300mg week w/ whatever else I want to run) around when I have to get my panels checked. I love Blast/Cruise! Also, are you going in for your injections, or are you on a home routine? After a month or so, my doctor realized that I am fully capable of doing so at home, so he writes me scripts with the max refill. I love my Endo.
 
ohh ohh ohhhh! if u are on TRT..... when u use orals there is no need to fear further hpta shutdown or pct right? so techinically if i was on TRT i could run orals 2-3x a year for 4-5 weeks THEORATICALLY of course.

btw why r u guys on TRT, on pupose or genetically low T?
 
Jasen said:
ohh ohh ohhhh! if u are on TRT..... when u use orals there is no need to fear further hpta shutdown or pct right? so techinically if i was on TRT i could run orals 2-3x a year for 4-5 weeks THEORATICALLY of course.

btw why r u guys on TRT, on pupose or genetically low T?
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The big C nailed me last year... I am good to go now, though.

And no PCT is required if you are on TRT. :biglaugh:
 
whats big C?
 
matthew76 said:
Okay, I didn't know you were on TRT; although, I do hope your liver loves you in the long run. 200mg a week for TRT? Is that doctor prescibed dosage? I am on 250mg ever 2 weeks. My levels are in the 1100 range, which is good for me. I also get more than I need per refill, so I time my Blast period (300mg week w/ whatever else I want to run) around when I have to get my panels checked. I love Blast/Cruise! Also, are you going in for your injections, or are you on a home routine? After a month or so, my doctor realized that I am fully capable of doing so at home, so he writes me scripts with the max refill. I love my Endo.
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yeah thats what the good doc has me on. i tried to get him to go higher but he wouldn't... now i'm kinda glad he didn't... 200 a week is plenty. and yeah i do my injections myself. he doesnt give me scripts with refills though... i just call his office when i need another vial and they phone in a script to the pharmacy
 
Jasen said:
ohh ohh ohhhh! if u are on TRT..... when u use orals there is no need to fear further hpta shutdown or pct right? so techinically if i was on TRT i could run orals 2-3x a year for 4-5 weeks THEORATICALLY of course.

btw why r u guys on TRT, on pupose or genetically low T?
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i dont think i have genetically low T per se, maybe low-normal probably 300-400, but because of my lifestyle (eating, sleeping, living habits etc.) when i got my levels tested they came back at 140. in retrospect, i believe that if i had just changed my lifestyle up and started living healthy, and used something like the TRS from PP, it would have brought my natural levels easily into the 800s or so... but i'm glad im on TRT... it was one of the best decisions i ever made
 
what are ur T at now at 200 a week?
 
nice! nice!
 
shieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet! sorry bro, what was it? kind of cancer?
 
matthew76 said:
No need to be sorry; like everything else in life, I survived. It was Testicular. Everything is good to go now. Thanks, though. TRT is easy, and I am alive.
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Nice to see the positive attitude, I am glad you beat it.

Now if my gf's father can fully get passed it, I am sure it would provide her and him with alot of relief.
 
In society we talk about cancer often so ppl become acustom to it and forget the seriousness of cancer. Surviving any form or level of cancer truly is an amazing goal in life! My grandpa got it right after his heart surgery it was minor and extremely early so removal was quick
 
MAxximal said:
Hi John!

I copy from this in PHForums:
DHT bind to androgen receptors (class I)
If it is DHT precursor then it would be a dry compound like Winny


Proviron is weaker than DHT - it occupies the 5AR receptor from DHT so it will inevitably end up killing libido at the same time destroying estrogen but also freeing up testosterone by lowering SHGB. It actually works against the androgenic processes in your body.

Epiandrosterone-is also a weak androgen derived from metabolites of DHEA. It is weaker than Androsterone- AH- and will cause same issues as proviron just not as drastic.

DHT is 10 x as androgenic as testosterone. Test converts to DHT. But if 5AR is occupied by a weaker androgen than DHT- test will convert to estrogen- also inhibiting sex drive. Now you won't get the bloat because the weak androgenic properties will keep water down and estrogen down so in essence you have a double dynamic. Both negating one another. That my friend is called chaos and the body wins all the time. No ifs ands or buts.

AndroHard is now the staple for all cycles involved with weak androgenic products- winstrol, furazabol, anavar, deca, primobolan, turinabol, epistane, etc,...Blows every pro-sexual, anti-estrogen, hardener away! "
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I found this while searching more about androhard:

proviron does not occupy the 5alpha reductase enzyme. what a whacko theory


edit: the more i read that the less sense it makes. is there a "wtf" smiley?

Last edited by Patrick Arnold; 05-19-2010 at 05:26 AM.
 
matthew76 said:
No need to be sorry; like everything else in life, I survived. It was Testicular. Everything is good to go now. Thanks, though. TRT is easy, and I am alive.
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Frick my left testicle has been bugging me for a few days, swollen and painful..I know TC doesn't always hurt, but if it persists I am going to have them check it the hell out.
 
ok so im wondering Eric why does the article posted and the first page of this thread try to make it seem like Androhard is stronger that Epiandrosterone when it is Epiandrosterone?

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The way I am reading that is this:
Proviron = Kills Sex Drive.
Epiandrosterone = weaker then AH, and kills libido.
Androhard = advocated as triumphant among the rest for being pro-sexual, anti estrongen and a hardener.

To me it appears to advocate the use of AH for sex drive. Like I said earlier, if I am reading this wrong, please let me know. "

Androsterone is 5a-androstan-3a ...and the nomenclature for androhard is 5a-androstan-3b-ol-17-one. if Epiandrosterone is a weak DHEA derivative and a two step precusor to DHT instead of a direct precursor then why is it better than Methyl-DHT or other DHT precursors like LG Prohormones?
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
ok so im wondering Eric why does the article posted and the first page of this thread try to make it seem like Androhard is stronger that Epiandrosterone when it is Epiandrosterone?

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The way I am reading that is this:
Proviron = Kills Sex Drive.
Epiandrosterone = weaker then AH, and kills libido.
Androhard = advocated as triumphant among the rest for being pro-sexual, anti estrongen and a hardener.

To me it appears to advocate the use of AH for sex drive. Like I said earlier, if I am reading this wrong, please let me know. "

Androsterone is 5a-androstan-3a ...and the nomenclature for androhard is 5a-androstan-3b-ol-17-one. if Epiandrosterone is a weak DHEA derivative and a two step precusor to DHT instead of a direct precursor then why is it better than Methyl-DHT or other DHT precursors like LG Prohormones?
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From LG Science Post #30

Androsterone (3a isomer) is better for anti-estrogen effects than epi-androsterone (3b isomer) but I believe the 3b to be much better for muscle building effects due to the increased amount of free 3bHSD in the blood and other tissues. There is also a lot of 3aHSD in the muscle which could activate, but it seems that it is semi-uni directional.
 
I understand Why LG has the 3b vs 3a but im asking Primordial because the website says Androsterone not Epi-andro in the supplement facts but then has the nomenclature for epiandro. and here on the forum this thread specifically the little writeups are showing that androhard is stronger than Epiandro when thats what it is ...idk if that makes sense
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
I understand Why LG has the 3b vs 3a but im asking Primordial because the website says Androsterone not Epi-andro in the supplement facts but then has the nomenclature for epiandro. and here on the forum this thread specifically the little writeups are showing that androhard is stronger than Epiandro when thats what it is ...idk if that makes sense
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bump :damnit1:
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
I understand Why LG has the 3b vs 3a but im asking Primordial because the website says Androsterone not Epi-andro in the supplement facts but then has the nomenclature for epiandro. and here on the forum this thread specifically the little writeups are showing that androhard is stronger than Epiandro when thats what it is ...idk if that makes sense
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I dont believe I said AndroHard is stronger than epiandrosterone. Androhard is epiandrosterone just like you said!

Androsterone is just the proprietary name included on the sup facts to avoid confusion in the market place. Only about .01% of our customers actually know that its epiandrosterone based on the chemical name... We didnt want people getting confused with epistane and such so we have kept all marketing pointed at "androsterone".

Both androsterone and epiandrosterone are pro-hormones to DHT with similar conversion efficiencies. So whether your using actual androsterone or epiandrosterone doesn't really make much difference.

-Eric
 
well Epiandrosterone is weaker than Androsterone mg for mg and the person who wrote the piece i quoted was someone on your home forums with the forum name bushdragon311 or some other number at the end. Is he a rep or sponsored athlete because his post is clearly promoting the product and im not saying that its not a good product and the second half of my question earlier was what makes androhard any different from LG's M1disnt it the same product? im just wondering why androhard is 15-25 dollars more for a two days less supply at the same 500mg Recommended dosage.
 
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sanchezgreg18 said:
well Epiandrosterone is weaker than Androsterone mg for mg and the person who wrote the piece i quoted was someone on your home forums with the forum name bushdragon311 or some other number at the end. Is he a rep or sponsored athlete because his post is clearly promoting the product and im not saying that its not a good product and the second half of my question earlier was what makes androhard any different from LG's M1disnt it the same product? im just wondering why androhard is 15-25 dollars more for a two days less supply at the same 500mg Recommended dosage.
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Our product Androhard utilizes Liqua-Vade technology. In other words, up to 3 x more product is going to be absorbed due to the enhancement modality of intestinal barrier absorption. This product is also not methylated as well, so there is really no hepato-toxic effect; that in itself is a huge advantage with Androhard.

So as far as dosing goes, you're getting better absorption with androhard ( up to 3 x). That is another huge advantage. In essence, you aren't getting less by any stretch. You're actually getting more bang for your buck here due to the technology of the delivery modality that's applied and utilized.


-John
 
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