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I never compared it to anything methylated. but on the website the androhard write up has a convtwo step ersion to DHT from Androsterone and this isnt androsterone so even though I think Epi-androsterone (Androhard) is also a two step conversion i still dont see how the write up can have a pathway to DHT starting at Androsterone when the product is Epi-androsterone.

maybe its just me but when i read all the writeups for this product its depicting a lot stronger prohormone then what it really is. I mean LG methyl1d is the same thing. stanodrol aswell and for 57 dollars (2 bottles) I could run androhard/stanodrol for 40 days at 600mg and it would still be cheaper
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
I never compared it to anything methylated. but on the website the androhard write up has a convtwo step ersion to DHT from Androsterone and this isnt androsterone so even though I think Epi-androsterone (Androhard) is also a two step conversion i still dont see how the write up can have a pathway to DHT starting at Androsterone when the product is Epi-androsterone.

maybe its just me but when i read all the writeups for this product its depicting a lot stronger prohormone then what it really is. I mean LG methyl1d is the same thing. stanodrol aswell and for 57 dollars (2 bottles) I could run androhard/stanodrol for 40 days at 600mg and it would still be cheaper
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I never compared it to anything methylated. but on the website the androhard write up has a convtwo step ersion to DHT from Androsterone and this isnt androsterone so even though I think Epi-androsterone (Androhard) is also a two step conversion i still dont see how the write up can have a pathway to DHT starting at Androsterone when the product is Epi-androsterone.
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This question has already been answered. Epiandrosterone is essentially androsterone. One is an a isomer and the other is a b isomer. They will BOTH convert via steroidal enzymes 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD into DHT as the target hormone. Eric already had explained why Androsterone is listed, but the nomenclature lists epiandrosterone:

"Androsterone is just the proprietary name included on the sup facts to avoid confusion in the market place. Only about .01% of our customers actually know that its epiandrosterone based on the chemical name... We didnt want people getting confused with epistane and such so we have kept all marketing pointed at "androsterone".

Both androsterone and epiandrosterone are pro-hormones to DHT with similar conversion efficiencies. So whether your using actual androsterone or epiandrosterone doesn't really make much difference."


maybe its just me but when i read all the writeups for this product its depicting a lot stronger prohormone then what it really is. I mean LG methyl1d is the same thing. stanodrol aswell and for 57 dollars (2 bottles) I could run androhard/stanodrol for 40 days at 600mg and it would still be cheaper
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DHT (the end product that's produced though a 2-step conversion process) is indeed a very potent androgen hormone. In its native state epiandrosterone is not a very potent hormone (we state that in the write-up), but it converts fairly easily to become DHT; which is very potent. Are you saying you don't believe DHT is a potent androgen?

The conversion process is nicely depicted in this diagram:

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The write-up explains the whole process. This is not a muscle builder; nor is it marketed as one. That is also noted in the write-up.

The major difference again here is that androhard is utilizing Liqua-Vade technology for product delivery. You're going to get much better absorption (3x better) than a product that doesn't incorporate this type of modification enhancement. So just because something is "cheaper" doesn't mean you're actually getting a better or more effective deal in the end...




-John
 
HereToStudy said:
Its a form of Leukemia in the jaw. I am not sure of the stage. It has been reduced greatly though kemo, it bounced back for a bit, but is getting pretty close to the under control stage. Its not as scary as it once was, but I/she won't be satisfied until it is gone.
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I know how your feeling, I have family with it to. All you can do is pray and stay strong for everyone, even if it does break you down.

I'll pray for your GF's father.
 
Trauma1 said:
The major difference again here is that androhard is utilizing Liqua-Vade technology for product delivery. You're going to get much better absorption (3x better) than a product that doesn't incorporate this type of modification enhancement. So just because something is "cheaper" doesn't mean you're actually getting a better or more effective deal in the end...

-John
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Exactly.

A 500mg dose of epiandrosterone caps simply will not produce the same effect as a 500mg dose of LV-based epiandrosterone (e.g. AndroHard). The caps/pills/etc are not as well absorbed as the LV, and consequently, less of the PH dose is available to be converted to the intermediate hormones and finally the target hormone, DHT.
 
Ok so i found the information I had already been looking for about this compound.


Copied from Vidas Androgens and Anabolic Agents


VERSUS TESTOSTERONE SUBQ

androsterone (3a)
androgenic - 50
anabolic - 30


epiandrosterone (3b)
androgenic - 2
anabolic - no figure given


So the claim was that EPIandro and Androsterone were the same correct? I dont think that is true at all.

Copied from PHF
Talking about SD

"...People who claim that it's the 5b-reduced isomer fail to understand the dramatic difference that makes to the shape of the steroid (it bends the A-ring away from the plane of the steroid) which dramatically reduces receptor binding affinity (5a-DHT has 173 times stronger binding affinity than 5b-DHT for example). The flatter the better, as far as androgen receptors are concerned. To put it bluntly, if it were the 5b version it would not work (which it does, so it isn't)."

"The only 5b-reduced compounds you're likely to encounter are things like bile acids. "


Patrick Arnold said "5betas are all inactive as sex hormones "
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
Ok so i found the information I had already been looking for about this compound.


Copied from Vidas Androgens and Anabolic Agents


VERSUS TESTOSTERONE SUBQ

androsterone (3a)
androgenic - 50
anabolic - 30


epiandrosterone (3b)
androgenic - 2
anabolic - no figure given


So the claim was that EPIandro and Androsterone were the same correct? I dont think that is true at all.

Copied from PHF
Talking about SD

"...People who claim that it's the 5b-reduced isomer fail to understand the dramatic difference that makes to the shape of the steroid (it bends the A-ring away from the plane of the steroid) which dramatically reduces receptor binding affinity (5a-DHT has 173 times stronger binding affinity than 5b-DHT for example). The flatter the better, as far as androgen receptors are concerned. To put it bluntly, if it were the 5b version it would not work (which it does, so it isn't)."

"The only 5b-reduced compounds you're likely to encounter are things like bile acids. "


Patrick Arnold said "5betas are all inactive as sex hormones "
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You are confusing 3a/b with 5a/b... totally different positions on steroid molecule.

You are right about the androsterone with a higher intrinsic potency than epi, but both will convert to the same DHT (the target hormone). The androsterone will provide an overall stronger effect per mg, but considering the cost of it we opted for the epi-androsterone as the more cost effective option. Plus there is some data suggesting 3b has higher affinity for 3b-HSD and downstream conversion.

-Eric
 
sanchezgreg18 said:
well Epiandrosterone is weaker than Androsterone mg for mg and the person who wrote the piece i quoted was someone on your home forums with the forum name bushdragon311 or some other number at the end. Is he a rep or sponsored athlete because his post is clearly promoting the product and im not saying that its not a good product and the second half of my question earlier was what makes androhard any different from LG's M1disnt it the same product? im just wondering why androhard is 15-25 dollars more for a two days less supply at the same 500mg Recommended dosage.
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Im not sure what bushdraggon was saying, nor are we responsible for what he says. I believe he is a member of our forum but is not a rep or employee of the company.

-Eric
 
Hey guys, if you're looking to try a DHT prohormone to combat gyno, Androhard V2 is the most powerful on the market today. If you've bought Andromass already, we're offering 50$ off of the cost of androhard with the coupon code HARDMASS.
 
question:

if no gyno is "irreversible", why do people talk about the tissue being hardened and letro not working for them? i think i've had this gyno for 3-5 yrs from aas. has tissue hardened? how can i tell? if so, will letro still help me out on this? thanks!!
 
seoul said:
question:

if no gyno is "irreversible", why do people talk about the tissue being hardened and letro not working for them? i think i've had this gyno for 3-5 yrs from aas. has tissue hardened? how can i tell? if so, will letro still help me out on this? thanks!!
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A guy over at the Primordial forums used low-dose ATD and Androhard LV to get rid of minor gyno he had for 20 years. I'll have to look up the post.

Letrozole may help with the gyno, but it also might just prevent it from getting worse or end up eliminating it for a short time before upregulation of aromatase occurs and brings it back to where it was previously (or worse).
 
ahh thanks for the quick reply!

wont the nolva take care of the rebound afterwards? how can i make sure the gyno wont return? (besides over dosing on the letro amount) is it safe to do 2 months of letro at 2.5 or should i use letro for one month, then nolva, then repeat? thanks again!!
 
seoul said:
ahh thanks for the quick reply!

wont the nolva take care of the rebound afterwards? how can i make sure the gyno wont return? (besides over dosing on the letro amount) is it safe to do 2 months of letro at 2.5 or should i use letro for one month, then nolva, then repeat? thanks again!!
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Ill wait for BBG to reply as he is more well read on gyno combating techniques.

seoul said:
also where can i get a bottle of Androhard V2?
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You can order it through PP's website. It is expected to ship 5/23.
 
thank heretostudy for the info. ill probably wait for bbg to reply before buying androhard since i already have the bottles of letro/nolva on me right now. thanks a lot!
 
seoul said:
ahh thanks for the quick reply!

wont the nolva take care of the rebound afterwards? how can i make sure the gyno wont return? (besides over dosing on the letro amount) is it safe to do 2 months of letro at 2.5 or should i use letro for one month, then nolva, then repeat? thanks again!!
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Nolva is great for delaying gyno because while estrogen may be high, it won't affect the receptors. However once you stop, if estrogen hasn't normalized, you're in for some rebound gyno.

I'd suggest using aromasin instead. It's a steroidal inhibitor of aromatase, so when you stop use, estrogen will rise gradually.

Basicaclly, go letro for as long as it takes to get rid of the gyno, then go aromasin.

You can always taper the letro, but it's tough as letro is so powerful.

BTW, the androhard will help, but MAY not be necessary. Will probably help clear the gyno faster, though.
 
great info, thanks!! i really wanna get rid of this gyno before july so ill order some androhard when it ships. thanks again!
 
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