Green Coffee Bean

I dunno if this threads about gawd or the green coffee bean extract study. But in regards to the study itself i wasn't impressed with some of the methods. A 4% bodyfat loss over 22 weeks in fatty mcfatties is achievable by anyone. They also only asked them if they changed their exercise habits before and after. What about during the 22 weeks?

Finally I think calorie intake fell quite a bit in the last arm of the study (not certain but i vaguely remember that).
 
Royd The Noyd said:
Finally I think calorie intake fell quite a bit in the last arm of the study (not certain but i vaguely remember that).
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The mechanism(s) of the significant effects of GCA on weight loss, BMI, percent body fat, and heart rate are unknown. There have been some recent articles indicating that chlorogenic acid and its metabolite, caffeic acid, inhibit amylase at mM concentrations in vitro which, if it occurred in the gastrointestinal tract in vivo, would inhibit sugar absorption from starch consumption and thus decrease caloric input. That chlorogenic acid has a significant influence on glucose metabolism was well demonstrated by Rodrigues de Sotillo et al when they were able to demonstrate a significant improvement in glucose tolerance in Zucker rats. This relative deprivation of glucose could possibly explain the reduction in BMI as well as fat content seen in their other rat study and in our human study. Another group has clearly demonstrated that chlorogenic acid may in fact have an antagonistic effect on human glucose transport. Based on the dietary data in our study, the product was not an appetite suppressant. Extracts of green coffee beans inhibited pancreatic lipase in vitro with a 50% inhibitory concentration of 43 μM polyphenols. In support of this result, caffeinated but not decaffeinated coffee supplementation in humans produced a decrease in lipoprotein lipase.
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Patrick Arnold said:
my hope is that there is an existence after death. and i hope its a place much different than earth cuz it would totally suck if it was the same

its all hope though, as any evidence towards that is not scientific but merely anecdotal (life after death stories, ghosts, messages from beyond). Of course, by nature it would be hard to find the scientific evidence cuz the dead cant testify
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My wish is the same, though there are days, especially lately, where I wish I could simply cease to exist, no longer be or feel...however more often than not "ceasing" is not something I find particularly comforting. I'd like to think we continue to some higher plane of existence....and like Pat I hope that it would not be to much like this existence, but I would hope that you still would recognize the ones that you know and care about as that is all I would really like to carry over from this life
 
truthornothin said:
My wish is the same, though there are days, especially lately, where I wish I could simply cease to exist, no longer be or feel...however more often than not "ceasing" is not something I find particularly comforting. I'd like to think we continue to some higher plane of existence....and like Pat I hope that it would not be to much like this existence, but I would hope that you still would recognize the ones that you know and care about as that is all I would really like to carry over from this life
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"You see, without God, without a sense of God in our life, really the only motivation left is to get all we can, while we can. The only two realities for man without God are pleasure and pain. That’s it. That’s how we live our lives: trying to escape pain; trying to pursue pleasure in whatever forms they take. That’s because there’s no higher purpose unless something happens along the way to alter that perspective. That pursuit - that vanity - is imprinted within us because our nature is limited to seeing this life as all that there is."
 
David Dunn said:
"You see, without God, without a sense of God in our life, really the only motivation left is to get all we can, while we can. The only two realities for man without God are pleasure and pain. That’s it. That’s how we live our lives: trying to escape pain; trying to pursue pleasure in whatever forms they take. That’s because there’s no higher purpose unless something happens along the way to alter that perspective. That pursuit - that vanity - is imprinted within us because our nature is limited to seeing this life as all that there is."
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Kind of like your cosmic planarian worm moving from bad stimulus to good
 
Welcome to the party slow poke. LOL :p

David Dunn said:
"You see, without God, without a sense of God in our life, really the only motivation left is to get all we can, while we can. The only two realities for man without God are pleasure and pain. That’s it. That’s how we live our lives: trying to escape pain; trying to pursue pleasure in whatever forms they take. That’s because there’s no higher purpose unless something happens along the way to alter that perspective. That pursuit - that vanity - is imprinted within us because our nature is limited to seeing this life as all that there is."
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David Dunn said:
"You see, without God, without a sense of God in our life, really the only motivation left is to get all we can, while we can. The only two realities for man without God are pleasure and pain. That’s it. That’s how we live our lives: trying to escape pain; trying to pursue pleasure in whatever forms they take. That’s because there’s no higher purpose unless something happens along the way to alter that perspective. That pursuit - that vanity - is imprinted within us because our nature is limited to seeing this life as all that there is."
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the reality is that altruism and social consciousness is observed n many non-human species. Of course I cant prove that these species dont believe in a god and and after life, but I presume they dont. Rather such behavior becomes ingrained in some social species over millenia because it offers them a survival advantage

u see, you can explain so much without having to resort to god if you employ rational scientific thinking
 
Patrick Arnold said:
u see, you can explain so much without having to resort to god if you employ rational scientific thinking
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Yet there is so much that cannot be explained. I believe our God exists on or at a dimension beyond the four classics of time and space and we do not have the intellectual capacity to rationalize or substantiate with evidence. My God is beyond our comprehension but that does not mean there is no evidence.
 
Whacked said:
Welcome to the party slow poke. LOL :p
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I have grown tired of these over the years. I cannot change a man's mind nor do I attempt to. It's not a matter of the mind it is a matter of the heart. It's not a matter of evidence it is a matter of faith.

The evidence of my heart will always be in conflict with the evidence of my mind. I think therefore I am perpetually conflicted.
 
David Dunn said:
Yet there is so much that cannot be explained.
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probably well over 99 percent of the universe cannot be explained. Not because its supernatural and therefore not explainable by science, but simply because we have not figured it out yet.
 
David Dunn said:
I have grown tired of these over the years. I cannot change a man's mind nor do I attempt to. It's not a matter of the mind it is a matter of the heart. It's not a matter of evidence it is a matter of faith.

The evidence of my heart will always be in conflict with the evidence of my mind. I think therefore I am perpetually conflicted.
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faith is the antithesis of science

i guess i do believe in god. his name is science. and his adversary is faith
 
David Dunn said:
There really is nothing more to discuss. :)
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yeah. as long as your faith doesn't get nuts and interfere with my life then i am fine. thats whats great about america. all religions can co-exist as well as those who choose to reject religion
 
Patrick Arnold said:
yeah. as long as your faith doesn't get nuts and interfere with my life then i am fine. thats whats great about america. all religions can co-exist as well as those who choose to reject religion
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You're an an optimist. I thought there was no longer anything great about America.

Happy Memorial Day!
 
Patrick Arnold said:
yeah. as long as your faith doesn't get nuts and interfere with my life then i am fine. thats whats great about america. all religions can co-exist as well as those who choose to reject religion
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Indeed, Imagine us having this conversation in Iran, several of us would find out for sure if there was a God or not .....via firing squad
 
truthornothin said:
My wish is the same, though there are days, especially lately, where I wish I could simply cease to exist, no longer be or feel...
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"Times Like These"

I am a one way motorway
I'm the one that drives away
then follows you back home
I am a street light shining
I'm a wild light blinding bright
burning off alone

it's times like these you learn to live again
it's times like these you give and give again
it's times like these you learn to love again
it's times like these time and time again

I am a new day rising
I'm a brand new sky
to hang the stars upon tonight
I am a little divided
do I stay or run away
and leave it all behind?

it's times like these you learn to live again
it's times like these you give and give again
it's times like these you learn to love again
it's times like these time and time again

Heard it this morning and it made me think of you.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
yeah. as long as your faith doesn't get nuts and interfere with my life then i am fine. thats whats great about america. all religions can co-exist as well as those who choose to reject religion
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co-exist yes but its hardly peaceful.

[video=youtube;l7xbwAmPXxU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7xbwAmPXxU&feature=related[/video]

Check that out
 
Thanks for the blue balls...this thread did NOT deliver. . .





I keed. The problem is that science will never be placed on an even playing field with religion because it intrinsically acknowledges fault in its own theories. Science is incapable of providing the proof that others seek. It proposes theories that have yet to be proven wrong by the inevitable anomalies it will soon discover. Science accepts fallible knowledge, while religion through divine inspiration enjoys infallibility.

I would also like to mention that geneticists and neuroscientists have agreed our genetic predispositions can greatly impact our likelihood to believe or reject the idea of a superior being. They have done some pretty interesting work with twins being separated at birth, etc. etc.

A book called On Being Certain offered some pretty thought provoking insights on this very topic if anyone is interested in written material anymore these days.

The other thing I have to mention is the behavior of the majority of religious groups do not do themselves any favors. I've grown to harbor some disdain for these organizations, and since moved to a more spiritual, empathetic journey. One where I'm just trying to be a more compassionate, understanding, and contributing individual which used to be the core message of religion believe it or not.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi.

Anyways, that's completely off topic, I just felt the urge to add in my one cent because I've done some soul searching in the last few months, and to no avail. My rational, logical side has prevailed thus far, but I will continue to enjoy the journey of self educating and seeking some sort of connection with a belief, regardless of it actually happening or not.
 
Thanks!

Thanks for this useful info.
 
For anyone that keeps up with particle physics...perhaps the Kaon and Pions can lead us to a more supported explanation of matter's origin?
 
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Thanks for the link bud!

I think the effects of this extract seem to benefit the sedentary ones the most. It would seem that it could be quite helpful to those with diabetes and hyperglycemia because of it's affects on glucose absorption. For the bodybuilder, athlete, or anyone who does moderate to intense exercise I don't see much benefit. I don't like the idea of blocked carbohydrate absorption when I would need it. Nothing is worse then trying to lift or do intense cardio when your blood sugar is low. It might have some use in the evening or on cheat sedentary days but not something I'd use in conjunction with a rigourious exercise routine.

I'd reccommend this more to the obese or diabetic client who cannot do much activity that is doing No more then 30minutes of light walking a day of activity.

PS. Mr. Arnold I did not come in here to talk about God but if you'd like to PM me and tell me what science can offer me that is greater than everlasting life I'am all ears.
 
Flaw said:
PS. Mr. Arnold I did not come in here to talk about God but if you'd like to PM me and tell me what science can offer me that is greater than everlasting life I'am all ears.
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Science hasnt disproved the possiblity of life after death and i am havent given up hope.

i just hope the correct answer isnt mormon

[video]http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=123_1190395606[/video]
 
Patrick Arnold said:
probably well over 99 percent of the universe cannot be explained. Not because its supernatural and therefore not explainable by science, but simply because we have not figured it out yet.
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Despite centuries of research, rationally cultivated by brilliant minds we cannot fathom 99% of the physical phenomena which surrounds us. But we still believe a universe as complex, intricate, vast and finely balanced as this created and self-organised itself through random events. When any basic system of control takes an intelligence to create how can the universe not have an intelligent designer. And why have many of the greats upon whose shoulders modern science rests believed in a God. Even Professor Richard Dawkins, an militant atheist, recognizes this and explains it away by saying these scientists such as Newton believed in an impersonal God not a personal God, but that's just mere semantics. The point is they believed in a God. No one claims the Universe is supernatural, which by its nature transcends the physical work we perceive around us. How much of what we are told by science do we accept through rational processing? Generally we are told by the science community and we believe. Does the evolutionary theory not flout the principles of science. How much of it stands up to rational scrutiny? Believe in a God or don't believe in a God that is our free choice, but to claim religion is more irrational than science is irrational itself.
 
saggy321 said:
How much of what we are told by science do we accept through rational processing? Generally we are told by the science community and we believe. Does the evolutionary theory not flout the principles of science. How much of it stands up to rational scrutiny? Believe in a God or don't believe in a God that is our free choice, but to claim religion is more irrational than science is irrational itself.
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evolution stands up to rational scrutiny exponentially better than any other explanation for the living things that surround us.

and i dont knock belief in the possibility of a god, in fact i believe in the possibility of such a thing (although even that in itself is irrational because who created god?)
 
Patrick Arnold said:
and i dont knock belief in the possibility of a god, in fact i believe in the possibility of such a thing (although even that in itself is irrational because who created god?)
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Science has programmed us to believe everything had a beginning and everything had a creator. Outside of our own mind and outside of science you'd have to believe that the God that created all things had no beginning. He was always there. This isn't rational based on what we know but to dismiss a idea because our little brains can't fathom it IMO is a lack of humility. Maybe we have a place and maybe that place isn't above all other things? It is true vanity to think we know it all or think we will eventually know it all. After all if we knew it all we wouldn't have so many questions. We'd have all the answers. I think many scientists have some sort of superiority complex. Their ability to think that they might be inferior to something else is unacceptable to them. It blinds them from seeing the things that are unseen. A exaggerated self-importance. Maybe your role isn't that big of a deal. Maybe when it comes down to it , we are only dust. For myself belief really comes down to egotism not science. We have plenty of evidence in history noting that when a man focuses on himself and his own purpose he eventually brings himself to ruin. Think bigger than yourself and you unleash your mind to a whole different level of understanding.
 
saggy321 said:
How much of what we are told by science do we accept through rational processing? Generally we are told by the science community and we believe.
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No

You may believe something simply because someone says science supports it, but this does not mean it is universally accepted, it just means you are naive. Science is constantly being challenged and questioned. Just about nobody accepts something as a fact. We are told things and then we examine the evidence for it and try to see if it makes sense. Most times we see a way it could have been done better and/or will see flaws and will then question it and look for more research that will either support the claim or refute the claim. This is science.

Religion on the other hand is merely a bunch of stories written in a book that we are told to just believe. And when we scrutinize or question anything in this book we are told "you just have to have faith" and are supposed to accept that as an answer.

saggy321 said:
to claim religion is more irrational than science is irrational itself.
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That just might be the funniest thing I read all week.
 
Flaw said:
Science has programmed us to believe everything had a beginning and everything had a creator. Outside of our own mind and outside of science you'd have to believe that the God that created all things had no beginning. He was always there. This isn't rational based on what we know but to dismiss a idea because our little brains can't fathom it IMO is a lack of humility. Maybe we have a place and maybe that place isn't above all other things? It is true vanity to think we know it all or think we will eventually know it all. After all if we knew it all we wouldn't have so many questions. We'd have all the answers. I think many scientists have some sort of superiority complex. Their ability to think that they might be inferior to something else is unacceptable to them. It blinds them from seeing the things that are unseen. A exaggerated self-importance. Maybe your role isn't that big of a deal. Maybe when it comes down to it , we are only dust. For myself belief really comes down to egotism not science. We have plenty of evidence in history noting that when a man focuses on himself and his own purpose he eventually brings himself to ruin. Think bigger than yourself and you unleash your mind to a whole different level of understanding.
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people that think like you scare me
 
Flaw said:
For myself belief really comes down to egotism not science. We have plenty of evidence in history noting that when a man focuses on himself and his own purpose he eventually brings himself to ruin. Think bigger than yourself and you unleash your mind to a whole different level of understanding.
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It's hard for me not to giggle uncontrollably at this. Do we need to list the atrocities that man has committed because of religion? Yeah I know big believers will dodge and say they weren't true Christians or Muslims or whatever. A strong militant belief in a higher power has been responsible for so much destruction it's mind blowing. The "good" books are constantly used to kill people, screw people out of money, etc. And they have been throughout their history, this isn't a recent development. Go through a lot of the big tragedies in history through the last 2000 years and a lot of them have a common theme--religion.

Not to mention hell which if it exists seems like the worst possible place for someone who's all knowing, all powerful, and all good to allow people to go to merely for not bowing down to him. Kinda sounds like terrorism.

I have no problem with those who believe, but spare me the man is screwed without religion stance or society is horrible in its absence. I think I'm a pretty freaking good person and I haven't been to Church in 7 years.
 
JudoJosh said:
No

You may believe something simply because someone says science supports it, but this does not mean it is universally accepted, it just means you are naive. Science is constantly being challenged and questioned. Just about nobody accepts something as a fact. We are told things and then we examine the evidence for it and try to see if it makes sense. Most times we see a way it could have been done better and/or will see flaws and will then question it and look for more research that will either support the claim or refute the claim. This is science.

Religion on the other hand is merely a bunch of stories written in a book that we are told to just believe. And when we scrutinize or question anything in this book we are told "you just have to have faith" and are supposed to accept that as an answer.



That just might be the funniest thing I read all week.
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That is irrationality itself. Do you understand and can explain quantum physics? Why doesn't newtonian physics apply at quantum level? Do you believe in anti-matter? Have you seen antimatter? How much of scientific theory do you believe based upon actual knowledge and how much to you believe because someone explains it in a rational manner. And how do you test the theories put out by scientists? What sources do you go to? The same source who are positing the theories or explanations in the first place. For some reason atheists seem to believe they have exclusive right to rational thought and love of science. I am a scientist by background and I enjoy science thoroughly. But the only difference between me and an athiest is that I use the rational mind given to me by God to study his creation so that I come know God.

Believing in God doesn't mean believing in a religion. Ever read any of Thomas Paine's works? He believed in a God but not the bible nor any revealed religion, but the sheer order and beauty he saw around him pointed to the existence of a creator. There are many people like that. If religion is so irrational explain why the likes of Einstein and Newton believed in a God? If they were irrational then how would they contributed so much to an area which has rationality as its basis. Isn't believing them to be irrational and then believing in the science they produced irrational?

Ironically I am certain most of your belief system that you take for granted has its basis upon revealed religion. What do you think the entire legal system and the constitution is based upon....religious law....most people's morality, its fundamental elements, is based on revealed religion. I know I can't convince you nor you can convince me. This isn't about that. But considering all those who believe in a creator as irrational is ridiculous.
 
saggy321 said:
Believing in God doesn't mean believing in a religion. Ever read any of Thomas Paine's works? He believed in a God but not the bible nor any revealed religion, but the sheer order and beauty he saw around him pointed to the existence of a creator. There are many people like that.

Ironically I am certain most of your belief system that you take for granted has its basis upon revealed religion. What do you think the entire legal system and the constitution is based upon....religious law....most people's morality, its fundamental elements, is based on revealed religion. I know I can't convince you nor you can convince me. This isn't about that. But considering all those who believe in a creator as irrational is ridiculous.
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To believe people's morality has anything to do with religious law is simply naive. Morals evolved since humans became sentient beings and evolved a sense of consciousness.

There are in fact many people like Thomas Paine...and it's called the complexity theory. It is a translation of "I cannot explain it, therefore it must be God."
 
saggy321 said:
Believing in God doesn't mean believing in a religion. Ever read any of Thomas Paine's works? He believed in a God but not the bible nor any revealed religion, but the sheer order and beauty he saw around him pointed to the existence of a creator.
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This makes it sound like it doesn't really matter then...if there's just a God, but not one that is conveying ideas to me through a religion, who cares how I live my life? I'd be better off not thinking about that **** and just living my life with little more than a thought of "oh, something made this"
 
Geoforce said:
It's hard for me not to giggle uncontrollably at this. Do we need to list the atrocities that man has committed because of religion? Yeah I know big believers will dodge and say they weren't true Christians or Muslims or whatever. A strong militant belief in a higher power has been responsible for so much destruction it's mind blowing. The "good" books are constantly used to kill people, screw people out of money, etc. And they have been throughout their history, this isn't a recent development. Go through a lot of the big tragedies in history through the last 2000 years and a lot of them have a common theme--religion.

Not to mention hell which if it exists seems like the worst possible place for someone who's all knowing, all powerful, and all good to allow people to go to merely for not bowing down to him. Kinda sounds like terrorism.

I have no problem with those who believe, but spare me the man is screwed without religion stance or society is horrible in its absence. I think I'm a pretty freaking good person and I haven't been to Church in 7 years.
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Don't mistake me for a religious supporter. Religion is soaked with hypocrisy and corruption and has been a major source of the problems we have today. You step foot in a prison and the majority of guys in there will have a cross tatooed on their body somewhere. Crying to God and asking him why they are in there when only their actions got them there, not Gods. I could talk all day about the problems religion has caused and I spend most of my time trying to unveil the lies they are teaching in churches.

The idea of mainstream hell was a MAN made doctrine designed to put fear in people to control them. It's not a biblical doctrine. It's political more than anything. Like you said how could a God that is good design a place like this? He wouldn't be one worth serving that's for sure. If he was loving this place would totally contradict his personality. There are many contradictions in the belief. Just one.. the ruler of hell is proposed to be the devil satan.. well that is never mentioned in the bible and God has plans of destroying him so who would rule hell if he was the king of it? Do some research on the origins of the modern hell.. you'll see where it came from. It sure didn't come from God's word.

My beliefs are based on the teachings of God and of the christ, not of some man made religion.
 
So, green coffee bean...how is the anecdote in this thread? Most importantly, are you maintaining strength and endurance in the gym while cutting on GCB?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
So, green coffee bean...how is the anecdote in this thread? Most importantly, are you maintaining strength and endurance in the gym while cutting on GCB?
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Wrong thread bro :P
 
David Dunn said:
Men have done the same with science.

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Of course and it wasn't my intention to argue otherwise. The idea that Flaw was going with "can you imagine men without religion" type thinking was just hilarious. As if religion has always been nothing but great for humans.
 
Flaw said:
Don't mistake me for a religious supporter. Religion is soaked with hypocrisy and corruption and has been a major source of the problems we have today. You step foot in a prison and the majority of guys in there will have a cross tatooed on their body somewhere. Crying to God and asking him why they are in there when only their actions got them there, not Gods. I could talk all day about the problems religion has caused and I spend most of my time trying to unveil the lies they are teaching in churches.

The idea of mainstream hell was a MAN made doctrine designed to put fear in people to control them. It's not a biblical doctrine. It's political more than anything. Like you said how could a God that is good design a place like this? He wouldn't be one worth serving that's for sure. If he was loving this place would totally contradict his personality. There are many contradictions in the belief. Just one.. the ruler of hell is proposed to be the devil satan.. well that is never mentioned in the bible and God has plans of destroying him so who would rule hell if he was the king of it? Do some research on the origins of the modern hell.. you'll see where it came from. It sure didn't come from God's word.

My beliefs are based on the teachings of God and of the christ, not of some man made religion.
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I can agree with a lot of this. Though I'm pretty sure the Bible mentions hell over and over or the concept of it anyways. I don't have my bible on me. Invalid Link Removed

Of course we have issues with the fact that different interpretations of everything exists.

What am I still doing in this thread, I hate religious debates :) Back to the bean!
 
Geoforce said:
I can agree with a lot of this. Though I'm pretty sure the Bible mentions hell over and over or the concept of it anyways. I don't have my bible on me. Invalid Link Removed

Of course we have issues with the fact that different interpretations of everything exists.

What am I still doing in this thread, I hate religious debates :) Back to the bean!
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This is a good read on hell and death.

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Here's another great page about the hell myth.

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Like I said this is just one of those myths the churches are teaching and I spend a lot of my time trying to expose them. People don't do their research and they don't know their history. Many things that are taught in churches today come from pagan origins and are tied to some superstition or tradition that originates with men and not God.
 
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