Got mugged on Wednesday (Not a sob story)

Bionic

Bionic

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On Wed. night as I was walking home, I was approached by 2 guys (in front of a church, no less) and they told me that they had a gun and demanded all of my cash and i-POD. Like a jackass, I told them to go **** their mothers and then in the spirit of the dumbest **** anyone has ever said in the history of the world, I told them that they had better fvcking kill me because I would find them. I don't want to come off as not being terrified, because I was. I just figured that if this was my time, I was on Holy ground and my last feelings on Earth would NOT only be fear. Plus I was pissed that they looked at me (6'5.5" 240 lbs) and perceived me as a sucker.
Well, one guy kept trying to get behind me and I was standing at an angle to the guy infront of me and we were moving around because I kept shifting so that I could keep them both in sight. Now, back in the 80's, here in the Bronx, I've had guns pulled on me before and I know that if someone does have one they show it to you but these guys didn't. I still had no idea and I'm thinking about all of these things and trying to protect myself and property while the guy that's trying to get behind me says, like 3 times, "**** it, just shoot him!" After the 3rd time, I made the mistake of looking over at him and shouted "SHUT THE **** UP!" Bad idea. I got clocked, dead on in the nose, which started to pour like an open faucet. I'd like to go on the record as stating that I never fell, blacked out or was rocked. Anyway, when he re-coiled from the punch, I looked to see what I got hit with. Whether I was pistol-whipped or what. This was when I resigned myself to the fact that I WOULD be robbed and they took my i-POD and about 5 bucks in cash. GREAT NEWS. Brass-knuckles. At this point, something came over me and I felt both relieved and empowered. They both bolted and I took off after them. I didn't give a **** about the other guy because I only wanted the guy that hit me. I chased him for about half-a block and thought I would stop becasue I was losing alot of blood and I didn't want to pass out once I caught him. Anyways, he stops and turns around and puts his hands up and I just steam-roll him into a light-pole and he hits his head and gets knocked out. I mean, like, snoring. I looked around and saw that we were near an open back yard that had shrubbery that blocked the view from the street. I grabbed his foot and pulled him back there and went to work. I sat on his chest and put my knees over his arms. You MMA guys will know this to be the full-mount. I slapped his face to wake him up because I wanted him to see me and I began to ground and pound. Needless to say, he'll never be the same. When I was done, I used my cell to call the police. He came to in the hospital and confessed (because the cops found the brass knuckles and my i-pod on him) and gave up his accomplice.

Again, I don't want to seem like I wasn't terrified or that I had an ounce of control because I didn't. Firstly, I was scared for my life and then when the tables turned, I was a slave to my rage. Never once, did I feel like I was in control. This whole thing took place in a matter of 5-8 minutes.

Now, when I got back to work on Friday, everyone was treating me like a hero but I still feel like ****. I am, was and will always be a Christian first and foremost and not only do I feel bad about the whole situation, I'm not altogether happy with myself for beating this **** to a bloody pulp. I mean, I'm glad that I defended myself and whatnot but I always try to find a lesson in things. For some odd reason, I keep thinking of the story of Job and, basically, what would Jesus have done and do. I don't believe in coincidences nor do I believe that **** just happens. Remember, it started in front of a church. The DA feels it is a strong case and that a conviction is a "no-brainer" but I feel like (and trust me guys, I don't know why either) I should ask the court for leniency for them (they're 16 and 19. No prior records) and maybe get them probation and mandatory counseling. I'm really having a hard time with this decision and I put this up here not only as therapy for myself but because I respect you guys and hope that you guys can maybe give me some insight. Thanks, in advance, for your help and for taking the time to read it.
 
Wow, they sure messed with the wrong guy then.

I don' think you're a hero, but you shouldn't be sorry about anything either. You gave the bastard the lesson of a lifetime, which could also be considered a favor.

I hope it all turns out well for you.
 
**** them. The leniancy they recieved was still being alive.

They got what was coming to 'em.
 
Damn, bro, that is one hell of a story. The proper course of action is difficult to decide. He could have easily killed you with brass knuckles. However, in light of the beating he got, and the fact that the very man who he attempted to rob is the same one who will advocate for a light sentence, this could be a great learning experience and could possibly get these kids back on track. The penal system certainly will not.

I think before you can make a decision you have to get a better sense of who these kids actually are. Would you consider meeting with them?
 
ah, the full mount, can't get any better than that. Once I get someone in that, I actually feel bad for them since there is just no way they can possibly defend themselves...and I don't care how big you are, you ain't getting a 260lb. dude off of ya, lol.

With that said, the only thing you can do is go through with charging them. It will only benfit those guys in the future. I remember when I was a teenager, I was a really BAD kid...I was always getting into trouble and never cared about the consequences because I never had to pay for them. But as soon as those "teenage warnings" didn't suffice to the cops anymore, and I had to do time in juvy, paty fines, community service, etc, you bet your protein shake I was wanting to then change. It made me look in the mirror and ask myself wtf was I thinking...it made me work off all of that stupidity and wrecklessness....it made my family just TOTALLY disgusted and ashamed with me, and THAT is what made me change my ways...a slap on the wrist isn't gonna make these punks into a good citizen, it never does and it never will. my 2cc's
 
Thank you guys. Your input means alot to me. Beo, even if I could, I don't think it would be wise to meet w/them, from a legal stand-point. I got their stories from the officers. The one who hit me is 16 and his mother is a crack-addict, so he was forced to live with his uncle. Allegedly, he came home on Wednesday to find his uncle and 2 other men having sex w/a hooker and he said he was pissed off, so he went out looking to "lash out at someone."
I really don't believe it because these guys seemed to know what they were doing and that doesn't explain the brass knuckles. The way that they kept trying to get me to shift my attention from one to another and how one was trying to get behind me and whatnot made it seem like it wasn't their first time.
Now the other guy, really confuses me. He was, basically, a good kid from a good family. His dad got him a job with him when he was 16 and nw at 19 he's the youngest shop steward in the history of the painter's union. This guy's making, AT LEAST, $40-50. per hour. His dad told the cops that he was a good boy but that he wouldn't do anything to try and help him out in this. Half of me is like the guys that said "He got and will get what he deserves" but the other half (the half that's starting to piss me off :) ) is telling me to show compassion for them. I will press charges, no doubt. Even if I don't, brass knuckles are considered a deadly weapon and that's out of my hands. I'm just talking about addressing the court, once I go to trial. Hopefully by that time, with the support from my family and friends ( You guys are included in there ) I'll have a clearer idea of how I'll approach it. Thanks again guys, I really appreciate you all.
 
Hard to give advice when you're not in that situation but i'll offer what sounds like the right thing to me...

Your wallet and ipod aren't worth you losing your life. I've seen people shot over shoes and hats. You say you're Christian well, I would think you could do much better alive than up in Heaven somewhere being mourned by your loved ones. My personal opinion would be to get as best of a description as possible of the attackers and give them your ****.

The other problem is this. One of those kids was 16 years old and had you, through your rage, killed him and all he had on him was brass knuckles and you chased them down to attack once they ran off with your stuff. You would be charged and probably do a good bit of prison time.

Like I said. It's easy to say what you should do from behind a computer but your life isn't worth and ipod and 5 bucks and to tell ya the truth someone else's life isn't worth taking over the same.
 
I'm not a violent person or a church goer. To me, as long as they are still breathing, they deserve what ever they get. Personally, i would have wanted to brake or dislocate the arm he used to hit me, but that's just me. And incase you or anyone wanted to know the laws surrounding self defense, here you go (although it may vary from state to state):

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Jayhawkk said:
Hard to give advice when you're not in that situation but i'll offer what sounds like the right thing to me...

Your wallet and ipod aren't worth you losing your life. I've seen people shot over shoes and hats. You say you're Christian well, I would think you could do much better alive than up in Heaven somewhere being mourned by your loved ones. My personal opinion would be to get as best of a description as possible of the attackers and give them your ****.

The other problem is this. One of those kids was 16 years old and had you, through your rage, killed him and all he had on him was brass knuckles and you chased them down to attack once they ran off with your stuff. You would be charged and probably do a good bit of prison time.

Like I said. It's easy to say what you should do from behind a computer but your life isn't worth and ipod and 5 bucks and to tell ya the truth someone else's life isn't worth taking over the same.
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Agreed. My dilema isn't dealing with the past, though. While I know what I did wasn't, necessarily, the right thing, it seemed like a good idea at the time. It's about how to proceed in the future. I know, Thanks for your input.
 
I'll only offer this - I had a tough childhood, but I never went out and robbed some dude.
And who gives a crap if the other kid was a church boy.
He needs to learn that there are consequences and reprocussions in life when you **** up.

My brother stole my identity. I had the chance to send him to jail. My mom begged and pleaded not for me to. So, I obliged.
He's still out running around doing dumb-ass stuff all of the time.

It's sad to see someone throw their life away. But, IMO if you let these 2 shitheads walk - they'll just do it again.
 
Agree with JMH. You do the crime, you do the time. Just thank god they really didn't have a gun. Glad you came out alright.
 
Don't feel bad man. You **** wit da bull, you get da horns. An asswhippin is just what these guys needed. You took some risks, but it worked out. Think of it this way- if they had gotten away with it, and keep on robbing, maybe someday they DO start using guns and end up killing some poor bastard. Hopefully they learned a lesson from this.
 
Understand my point of view is from the safety of the person being mugged not what those kids deserve for what they're doing. I would of probably done exactly what you did :) At least in the future you'll have this experience to help guide you through if this ever, God forbid, happens again.

As for the other two boys? Prosecute them as best you can. People learn through knowing they are responsible for what they did. If they get off they'll be under the impression that the same thing will happen again. While you can feel sorry for what ever put them in that mindset. You need to make sure they understand what they did.

I'm, just glad you made it out okay and the fact you're worried about how they will be impacted shows your character.
 
Bionic, you're a hell of guy. After getting wacked by a set of brass knuckles I'm not real sure what I would have done to that kid...if I could have even recovered from it at all. I'd pay good money to see you bowl that punk over though, lol.

Maybe you were meant to be a learning experience for these kids..or maybe Christ is rolling his eyes right now and muttering something about bodybuilders all being the same. I don't know and as agnostic I'm not going to pretend I do.

I say charge them and move on. It is up to them to either learn from this or just keep going down the wrong path. You reacted with rage but who the hell can blame you? I certainly can't.
 
You should feel good, the only reason these guys get away with crap like that is because 99% of people act like sheep when confronted with the threat of violence.
 
while reading the story i was like damn these punk ass kids just robbed this dude. Then i read where you beat the livin hell out of the one kid, that made my day. I'm from NY and i know those exact type of kids you are talking about. they definitley got what they deserved and they deserve to be put in jail. if they want to do good things when they get out then so be it but until then they need to be locked up. just think of how many other people they probably did that too. now there is justice. if i were you i would push for the maximum punishement. if they want to change they will change once there punishement is up. **** if i was you i would have put those kuckles on my hand and shattered his entire face. punks like them really piss me off and they need to be off the streets.
 
That kid got what he deserved. I just wish he would have come out crippled.

Don't feel sorry about anything. Be glad you got to witness first hand that assholes get what they deserve sometimes.

Again, i wish the kid would have come out crippled, permanently.
 
Really good story bro. I'm just glad your OK.

It all works out in the end. You could've beaten this kid up, taught him a lesson, and put him on the right path. You never know, if he got away with trying to rob you, and said "Oh this is easy", the next time he tried robbing somebody they could've popped him.

I bet you helped him out in the long run by teaching him that 'crime don't pay'. God bless
 
i wholeheartedly support your actions

i also agree you should ask for lienency as time spent in the system will likely just **** them up more not rehabilitate them .. they likely tried to rob you because they have horrible educational backgrounds and are poor as **** .. not because they get their rocks off on robbing people .. IMHO time in prison won't help .. the severe beating you gave them might act as a deterrent though lol
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
That kid got what he deserved. I just wish he would have come out crippled.

Don't feel sorry about anything. Be glad you got to witness first hand that assholes get what they deserve sometimes.

Again, i wish the kid would have come out crippled, permanently.
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My feelings exactly.

Bionic, you're a better man than I am for even considering leniency. Maybe it would be the best thing for them, but I honestly wouldn't consider it.

I have zero tolerance for people that purposely go out of their way to physically harm others. (Mug/assualt, rape, murder, etc). They may have no prior record, but that just means they weren't caught before. I doubt it was the first time they used the brass knuckles. Had you not caught them, they would have learned that mugging people works well for them and used them again on someone else.

Stealing possesions without physical threat is one thing. Under certain circumstances, I could see leniency. But to threaten the life of a stranger, and attempt to somewhat follow through with it, that's a big problem with me.

Yeah, I wish they were both permanantly crippled. Prison may not stop them from repeating these crimes, but that might.
 
I'd go easy on these dumbasses and I hope they learned their lessons, like Glen said prison won't do them any good.
 
Why prison? Why not an alternative punishment such as community service or boot camp. Prison isn't always the answer and going easy on them definately isn't the answer. They're young and could use a little discipline.
 
Guys, thanks so much for sharing your ideas and opinions. They've really helped. I do believe that I'll wait for the trial and/or sentencing before I make any decisions. I've never been involved with this sort of thing so I don't know how it all works. All of your responses have really helped me through this crazy time and I'm very thankful that I found this board and all of you guys. I'll update this thread as new developments arise.
 
Holy crap! What a difference a week makes! I don't know if there has been a hormonal shift in me or what but I'll tell you this, once I took the "emotion" out of the equation, it made things that much clearer to me. "Where mercy is shown, mercy is given." Yeah well these pricks showed me no mercy so they'll get what they get. I can't wait to be looking at them face to face in the courtroom! WTF was I thinking?! Hahahaha. Must've been the cortisol or estrogen bubbling up in me! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Guys thanks so much for the support and your opinions. Take care and may GOD bless all of you and your loved ones. Peace!

Bionic
 
Wow, thats scary man.
Who knows how any of us would react in that situation and I believe that some would be scared by their response.
As a martial artist, I am always taught to defend myself and then get the hell out of there, but I think I would probably have the same reaction. Why should I run away when the b@stards started it? I should be allowed to finish it right, and keep my stuff.
Yeh, not saying that I plan to get mugged, or that I would know how to react, but I can see where you are coming from.
Glad you are OK.
 
Thanks so much KG. Trust me on this one, I had NO IDEA how to react. LOL. Even when the tables turned, I had no idea what was going to happen. I know I was totally lucky and hope I (or any of you)am never in that kind of situation again!
 
Bionic, I am glad you are ok. Like they say "Fight or Flight". You are a fighter. I had a situation where I may have had to crack an armed robber with a Louisville Slugger in my back yard. It never came to that but I was ready to do it. Helped the cops relocate him who couldn't see him hiding the first time. Yes stupid, but I protect myself and my family. What you did was nuts but I can relate. Charge them.
 
I almost wish sometimes that something like that would happen to me. I lift all the time to be strong, study martial arts and other vital points techniques and would like to know if I could really put it all to use. I'm sure this situation sucked but I think it's great to hear that a wannabe criminal got some real justice. Don't feel badly--at least one of them got what they deserved. I don't know about the whole ground and pound but a little bit was definitely warranted.
 
BBAddict said:
I almost wish sometimes that something like that would happen to me. I lift all the time to be strong, study martial arts and other vital points techniques and would like to know if I could really put it all to use. I'm sure this situation sucked but I think it's great to hear that a wannabe criminal got some real justice. Don't feel badly--at least one of them got what they deserved. I don't know about the whole ground and pound but a little bit was definitely warranted.
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You almost wish that you were mugged?
Are you mad?
Why on earth would you wish that, do you have any idea how it feels to get mugged?
Let me tell you that after the fear of two guys pushing you against a wall, putting their hands in your pockets and taking everything that you own.
You then realise that you are ok and have to walk home because you have no money or phone.
When you get home, you call your bank to tell them that your cards have been stolen and they explain to you that your checking account has been cleared out within the past hour.
Then there is the humiliation of having no money, knowing that some scumbag took away your dignity and is off smoking it somewhere.
Martial arts is great in a controlled classroom, but when its two or more on one, you had better hope that you get it right both times.
I would just stick to kicking the cr@p out of people in sparring, where you know that you have the skills to beat them, rather than wish that you could use it for real.
My opinion, thats all, but I hope that I never have to use my strength or my martial arts outside of the karate school.
 
KG- if you ever have to, you'll be totally amazed at how easily your training just totally takes over. I got assaulted by a guy and the next thing I saw was my hand doing a flat palmed uppercut to the guy and him flying through the air. I never had one thought of doing it..it just happened.

It was totally surreal and scarey...but really cool too :twisted:
 
I really hope that it would just be natural for me, its pretty much a reflex now with all of the fighting that I do.
I think my point was, that I just would never wish for something bad to happen just to prove that I could take somebody down.
Your uppercut sounds cool though :nutkick:
 
bioman said:
KG- if you ever have to, you'll be totally amazed at how easily your training just totally takes over. I got assaulted by a guy and the next thing I saw was my hand doing a flat palmed uppercut to the guy and him flying through the air. I never had one thought of doing it..it just happened.

It was totally surreal and scarey...but really cool too :twisted:
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Hey Bioman- Are you really Chuck Norris?:D Damn! Justice is served!
 
karategirl said:
You almost wish that you were mugged?
Are you mad?
Why on earth would you wish that, do you have any idea how it feels to get mugged?
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No, I don't--if I did, maybe I wouldn't wish for it. But I really do wonder what I could do with all this training I put myself through. I have a feeling that, like bioman said, after you do it for long enough, it would happen naturally. I think I put myself in enough dangerous situations that someday I'll find out. On the other hand, maybe I should just use my cardio training and outrun them!:run:
 
karategirl said:
You almost wish that you were mugged?
Are you mad?
Why on earth would you wish that, do you have any idea how it feels to get mugged?
Let me tell you that after the fear of two guys pushing you against a wall, putting their hands in your pockets and taking everything that you own.
You then realise that you are ok and have to walk home because you have no money or phone.
When you get home, you call your bank to tell them that your cards have been stolen and they explain to you that your checking account has been cleared out within the past hour.
Then there is the humiliation of having no money, knowing that some scumbag took away your dignity and is off smoking it somewhere.
Martial arts is great in a controlled classroom, but when its two or more on one, you had better hope that you get it right both times.
I would just stick to kicking the cr@p out of people in sparring, where you know that you have the skills to beat them, rather than wish that you could use it for real.
My opinion, thats all, but I hope that I never have to use my strength or my martial arts outside of the karate school.
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:goodpost: It took me all of these posts and I couldn't articulate it the way you just did. And the GNP wasn't particularly brutal. I only hit him like 4 or 5 times (but nice clean shots LOL). Luckily, I came to my senses pretty quick. Guys, pls. be careful what you wish for. Life is hard enough w/o this kind of ****. I don't care if you are Bruce F****** Lee, if you get caught unawares, your training may mean nothing.
 
Yeah man....for sure....always keep the guard up.

I'm actually ridiculous, maybe I have a problem. But, whenever i"m in a place that isn't a place where i know everyone in the room, i'm constantly scanning. You'd think I was just an arrogant prick with the way I'm always lookin' around, but its just my distrust of people.

There are way too many people trying to prove something to let your guard down as a guy...especially when you're with a pretty girl, by yourself and they're in a group.
 
Excellent Post!! Sometimes you just gotta stand for something or you'll fall for anything........wait isn't that a like a country song???

Anyway bro, good for you! You stood your gound and did what you had to do. You could have got your ass whipped worse than you did but look at this way, those *****es had brass knuckles and still couldn't keep you down, could have been whole lot worse.

Especially for a damn IPOD and 5 bucks, what dumb asses!!!
 
kwyckemynd00 said:
Yeah man....for sure....always keep the guard up.

I'm actually ridiculous, maybe I have a problem. But, whenever i"m in a place that isn't a place where i know everyone in the room, i'm constantly scanning. You'd think I was just an arrogant prick with the way I'm always lookin' around, but its just my distrust of people.

There are way too many people trying to prove something to let your guard down as a guy...especially when you're with a pretty girl, by yourself and they're in a group.
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I'm the exact same way. It's funny how I get looked at when I walk up to my wife in the gym. It's like I just moved in on a kill they were stalking. Yea, I'm C**k blocking you guys by talking to my WIFE. I mean they have this let down pissed off look on their faces. Anybody want to catch a 45 lb. plate?
 
Damn where do you guys live the bronx or something :)


In my many years on this earth(a good number of them in bars both in college and after) I haven't seen more than 15 fights.


CROWLER
 
OK, so you guys aren't gonna believe this! I'm waiting for my GF at the train station last night, as per usual. When she gets to the car we hear a ruckus and look over. Some big dude is POUNDING the **** out of some lady by the subway exit. It was one of those things where you couldn't tell if they were fooling around or not but it became clear when he tried to stuff her into a garbage bin. A bunch of people formed around but NO ONE WAS DOING ANYTHING TO HELP!!! So, I'm sitting there taking this in when all of a sudden I find myself grabbing the guy from the back and puling him off of her. No ****!!! I don't even remember getting out of the car. His rage was CLEARLY focused on this woman as all he was trying to do was evade me and get back to her. So we're grappling and he gets passed me a bit but I get my arms around his waist and try to pick him up but end up suplexing him. I guess we twisted at some point because he ends up on his stomach and me on his back when FINALLY a couple of men run over and subdue him. I called 911 when I got free because it seemed people were more interested in the spectacle than actually doing any assisting and when I heard the po in the distance, I just went back to my car and bounced. Sonofa*****! I love NYC (the Bronx in particular) more than most, maybe even more than Mayor Giuliani but damn, my recent experiences are making me think twice. I need a friggin' vacation!!! I have to tell you though, I've learned alot about myself in the past coupla months and it would seem that I'm not nearly the p*ssy I always suspected I may have been. Well, maybe just a little. :think:
 
Right on Bionic!! You're a hero, IMO.

I have flipped out and clobbered dudes who were beating on chicks too. I chased on guy out of the restaraunt that I worked at, and another time this big Navajo tried to beat his girl and she locked herself into my neighbor's dorm room. I came out to see what was up as did another guy. He clocked the other guy and before he could even pull his arm back (and you know who he was going to hit next) I saw my arm shoot out and open-palm punch him square on the chin. Sent his ass flying backwards about 6 feet. Like you said, I don't remember doing it..it just happened.

I'd have a hard time living where you live though, I'd get all twitchy and paranoid. lol
 
Karma tends to balance itself naturally. I feel that balance is being reached in this situation.
 
Surely, Grunt. Thanks for the props Bio. I was going to rep you guys but it seems I've already thrown too much love in your directions, so the man won't allow it. Oh well, just know that you have props in my heart!
 
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