Got mugged on Wednesday (Not a sob story)

Bionic said:
OK, so you guys aren't gonna believe this! I'm waiting for my GF at the train station last night, as per usual. When she gets to the car we hear a ruckus and look over. Some big dude is POUNDING the **** out of some lady by the subway exit. It was one of those things where you couldn't tell if they were fooling around or not but it became clear when he tried to stuff her into a garbage bin. A bunch of people formed around but NO ONE WAS DOING ANYTHING TO HELP!!! So, I'm sitting there taking this in when all of a sudden I find myself grabbing the guy from the back and puling him off of her. No ****!!! I don't even remember getting out of the car. His rage was CLEARLY focused on this woman as all he was trying to do was evade me and get back to her. So we're grappling and he gets passed me a bit but I get my arms around his waist and try to pick him up but end up suplexing him. I guess we twisted at some point because he ends up on his stomach and me on his back when FINALLY a couple of men run over and subdue him. I called 911 when I got free because it seemed people were more interested in the spectacle than actually doing any assisting and when I heard the po in the distance, I just went back to my car and bounced. Sonofa*****! I love NYC (the Bronx in particular) more than most, maybe even more than Mayor Giuliani but damn, my recent experiences are making me think twice. I need a friggin' vacation!!! I have to tell you though, I've learned alot about myself in the past coupla months and it would seem that I'm not nearly the p*ssy I always suspected I may have been. Well, maybe just a little. :think:

I applaud your sense of duty to stand up against evil. But a word to the wise, you will get hurt doing this grappling stuff against real life bad guys. Sooner or later, you are going to grapple one what will pull something sharp on you. The BGs don't fight fair. It has happened many times before. Don't be the next statistics.

If you want to get involved, then be prepared. I would advice that you go to Invalid Link Removed and ask if there is any school around your area where you can learn to handle such contigency. Unlike other martial crap, the folks at WarriorTalk actually live by their skills. Good luck and best wishes. The world needs more people like you. So, don't go get youself killed! :D
 
Not saying what you did is wrong, and like you said you didn't have control of yourself, but once the dude was KO'd off the light post I would'nt have woke him to beat him further. I'd just control him until the authorities got their. To me, unless the guy killed/raped someone he does not deserve that, even if he'd probably have done the same to you. There are so many variables though, you probably beat him down mostly out of fear that he'd come to and have a weapon to harm you with. I'm sure you did the right thing. I just never want to kill someone accidentally and have to live with that.
 
Alexander said:
Not saying what you did is wrong, and like you said you didn't have control of yourself, but once the dude was KO'd off the light post I would'nt have woke him to beat him further. I'd just control him until the authorities got their. To me, unless the guy killed/raped someone he does not deserve that, even if he'd probably have done the same to you. There are so many variables though, you probably beat him down mostly out of fear that he'd come to and have a weapon to harm you with. I'm sure you did the right thing. I just never want to kill someone accidentally and have to live with that.
I appreciate your opinion/stance on the matter, however, as more time has passed the better I feel about it. F*CK him! I didn't ask for any of it. I was just trying to get home. He took a big gamble and LOST! He could've just walked away but he chose to assault me. Now, I wouldn't try to kill him but if he would've expired due to the beating, I'd be f*cked up about it for a minute but trust me, I'd get over it. Good thing he didn't die though because then I would've had to go looking for his buddy.
 
Yep. Being attacked like that negates the attacker's right and priviledges to life and liberty. He could have easily killed Bionic with brass knuckles..they are a banned, deadly weapon in nearly all states I think. In any case, it's pretty hard to keep a level head when your nose just got busted. I have NO idea what I would have done.
 
Bionic said:
On Wed. night as I was walking home, I was approached by 2 guys (in front of a church, no less) and they told me that they had a gun and demanded all of my cash and i-POD. Like a jackass, I told them to go **** their mothers and then in the spirit of the dumbest **** anyone has ever said in the history of the world, I told them that they had better fvcking kill me because I would find them. I don't want to come off as not being terrified, because I was. I just figured that if this was my time, I was on Holy ground and my last feelings on Earth would NOT only be fear. Plus I was pissed that they looked at me (6'5.5" 240 lbs) and perceived me as a sucker.
Well, one guy kept trying to get behind me and I was standing at an angle to the guy infront of me and we were moving around because I kept shifting so that I could keep them both in sight. Now, back in the 80's, here in the Bronx, I've had guns pulled on me before and I know that if someone does have one they show it to you but these guys didn't. I still had no idea and I'm thinking about all of these things and trying to protect myself and property while the guy that's trying to get behind me says, like 3 times, "**** it, just shoot him!" After the 3rd time, I made the mistake of looking over at him and shouted "SHUT THE **** UP!" Bad idea. I got clocked, dead on in the nose, which started to pour like an open faucet. I'd like to go on the record as stating that I never fell, blacked out or was rocked. Anyway, when he re-coiled from the punch, I looked to see what I got hit with. Whether I was pistol-whipped or what. This was when I resigned myself to the fact that I WOULD be robbed and they took my i-POD and about 5 bucks in cash. GREAT NEWS. Brass-knuckles. At this point, something came over me and I felt both relieved and empowered. They both bolted and I took off after them. I didn't give a **** about the other guy because I only wanted the guy that hit me. I chased him for about half-a block and thought I would stop becasue I was losing alot of blood and I didn't want to pass out once I caught him. Anyways, he stops and turns around and puts his hands up and I just steam-roll him into a light-pole and he hits his head and gets knocked out. I mean, like, snoring. I looked around and saw that we were near an open back yard that had shrubbery that blocked the view from the street. I grabbed his foot and pulled him back there and went to work. I sat on his chest and put my knees over his arms. You MMA guys will know this to be the full-mount. I slapped his face to wake him up because I wanted him to see me and I began to ground and pound. Needless to say, he'll never be the same. When I was done, I used my cell to call the police. He came to in the hospital and confessed (because the cops found the brass knuckles and my i-pod on him) and gave up his accomplice.

Again, I don't want to seem like I wasn't terrified or that I had an ounce of control because I didn't. Firstly, I was scared for my life and then when the tables turned, I was a slave to my rage. Never once, did I feel like I was in control. This whole thing took place in a matter of 5-8 minutes.

Now, when I got back to work on Friday, everyone was treating me like a hero but I still feel like ****. I am, was and will always be a Christian first and foremost and not only do I feel bad about the whole situation, I'm not altogether happy with myself for beating this **** to a bloody pulp. I mean, I'm glad that I defended myself and whatnot but I always try to find a lesson in things. For some odd reason, I keep thinking of the story of Job and, basically, what would Jesus have done and do. I don't believe in coincidences nor do I believe that **** just happens. Remember, it started in front of a church. The DA feels it is a strong case and that a conviction is a "no-brainer" but I feel like (and trust me guys, I don't know why either) I should ask the court for leniency for them (they're 16 and 19. No prior records) and maybe get them probation and mandatory counseling. I'm really having a hard time with this decision and I put this up here not only as therapy for myself but because I respect you guys and hope that you guys can maybe give me some insight. Thanks, in advance, for your help and for taking the time to read it.

dude, you should be proud of yourself. for your type of personality, it is a lose lose situation. it's just how much you lose is all. if you took it and went home. you would have hated yourself for the rest of your life for not standing up for yourself. any which way you are being controlled. but at least you tried your best to mitigate your losses which is definately something to be proud of. so what if you overdid it? once it's on........it's on. there's probably gonna one less street thug out there after what you did. now if you look at it that way, then you are definately the good guy
 
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