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Getting Primed for the stage CEO Style with some other nice goodies

oufinny said:
Drugs or not the bodies metabolism is what he is playing with and you have plenty of natural help (just cause your on OEP instead of Tren doesn't mean it won't work). I noticed within the first half day when i started to carb up my body went into overdrive and thermogenesis was through the roof. Trying it once should not have a negative impact on your end goal. Do it far enough out so you have time to perfect it. Plus, you have AP/Glycobol/P-Slin at your disposal where as he doesn't mention anything like that in the article.
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That is true and If I try it this weekend I will have some time to perfect it. I am just trying to look at all the angles. Eating junkfood is so against my nature is scares me a bit. It also sound like a lot of fun...:tongue2:
 
DreamWeaver said:
That is true and If I try it this weekend I will have some time to perfect it. I am just trying to look at all the angles. Eating junkfood is so against my nature is scares me a bit. It also sound like a lot of fun...:tongue2:
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Even if you don't get the result you want you gave yourself a few days of sanity then back to the grindstone.
 
oufinny said:
Even if you don't get the result you want you gave yourself a few days of sanity then back to the grindstone.
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Yah sanity days are few and far between, I have such a good handle on things though. I want to give it a shot and have something already planned based on that article.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah sanity days are few and far between, I have such a good handle on things though. I want to give it a shot and have something already planned based on that article.
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May I suggest some cinnamon life cereal, tasty and has cinnamon in it for natural glucose modulation :).
 
oufinny said:
May I suggest some cinnamon life cereal, tasty and has cinnamon in it for natural glucose modulation :).
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That sounds good ...

Yah I am thinking making wiser choices like that, like don't go all Captain Crunch on it but something more in between....
 
DreamWeaver said:
That sounds good ...

Yah I am thinking making wiser choices like that, like don't go all Captain Crunch on it but something more in between....
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He said the more processed the better though that goes against every instinct we have... basically rips up the rule book at page 1!
 
Ok so by my research people are consuming about 2000 grams of carbs in one 24 hour period...

Something like this...

Monday night about 9pm:
4 4” Pancakes ½ cup real real maple syrup
protein powder mixed with water (Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal 4 cups , 1 cup Oatmeal crisp triple berry) 1 large cinnamon and raisin bagel with jam 1 tbsp and light cream cheese

Tuesday:
8:00am
4 4” Pancakes ½ cup real real maple syrup
protein powder mixed with water (Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal 4 cups , 1 cup Oatmeal crisp triple berry) 1 large cinnamon and raisin bagel with 1 tbsp jam and light cream cheese

11am
4 4” Pancakes ½ cup real real maple syrup
4 cups spaghetti with spaghetti sauce
protein powder mixed with water (Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal 4 cups , 1 cup Oatmeal crisp triple berry)

2:00pm 2 large cinnamon and raisin bagels with light cream cheese and 2 tbsp Jam
protein powder mixed with water (Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal 4 cups , 1 cup Oatmeal crisp triple berry)

5pm 4 cups spaghetti with spaghetti sauce 4cups low fat ice cream…

4 4” Pancakes ½ cup real real maple syrup
 
DreamWeaver said:
Ok so by my research people are consuming about 2000 grams of carbs in one 24 hour period...

Something like this...

Monday night about 9pm:
4 4” Pancakes ½ cup real real maple syrup
protein powder mixed with water (Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal 4 cups , 1 cup Oatmeal crisp triple berry) 1 large cinnamon and raisin bagel with jam 1 tbsp and light cream cheese

Tuesday:
8:00am
4 4” Pancakes ½ cup real real maple syrup
protein powder mixed with water (Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal 4 cups , 1 cup Oatmeal crisp triple berry) 1 large cinnamon and raisin bagel with 1 tbsp jam and light cream cheese

11am
4 4” Pancakes ½ cup real real maple syrup
4 cups spaghetti with spaghetti sauce
protein powder mixed with water (Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal 4 cups , 1 cup Oatmeal crisp triple berry)

2:00pm 2 large cinnamon and raisin bagels with light cream cheese and 2 tbsp Jam
protein powder mixed with water (Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs cereal 4 cups , 1 cup Oatmeal crisp triple berry)

5pm 4 cups spaghetti with spaghetti sauce 4cups low fat ice cream…

4 4” Pancakes ½ cup real real maple syrup
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Wow is the 4 cups spaghetti measured cooked or dry? Man that looks great and makes me ill all at the same time!
 
MrKleen73 said:
Wow is the 4 cups spaghetti measured cooked or dry? Man that looks great and makes me ill all at the same time!
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Exactly how I'd describe my reaction... that is cooked, dry that would be to insane.

You see why they use crappier food now, it's the get enough carbs in. I want to play with it some to get it less sweet. I have to get to the grocery store and see what is available in low fat. Low fat pizza etc...
 
MrKleen73 said:
Wow is the 4 cups spaghetti measured cooked or dry? Man that looks great and makes me ill all at the same time!
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Same thoughts here Kleen! Looks like heaven but really starts getting closer to hell after a couple of those meals are down. What is the total protein intake during that?
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Same thoughts here Kleen! Looks like heaven but really starts getting closer to hell after a couple of those meals are down. What is the total protein intake during that?
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Will try and keep it low as protein will lower the glycemic index of a meal so I have to think that through as well. Protein will just make me have to eat more... can't have that...:suspect:
 
Oh good news!! My PM is in, will start on Friday right on schedule and it will take me right up to contest day.
 
AZMIDLYF said:
Same thoughts here Kleen! Looks like heaven but really starts getting closer to hell after a couple of those meals are down. What is the total protein intake during that?
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From the article that I posted it does not sound like much more than 100 grams in 24 hours. With that many calories you really don't need much protein I would imagine; plus that is not the goal for the skiploading. You go back to your normal diet the next day as if nothing changed and over a few days you dry out and supposed come out dry and hard as a rock.
 
oufinny said:
From the article that I posted it does not sound like much more than 100 grams in 24 hours. With that many calories you really don't need much protein I would imagine; plus that is not the goal for the skiploading. You go back to your normal diet the next day as if nothing changed and over a few days you dry out and supposed come out dry and hard as a rock.
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Well you want to drink plenty of water on the following days to get the flushing effect, however by that point in prep if you are not approaching 1.5 gallons you just aren't drinking enough water anyway. The protein is not really of any consequence, you will not be working out other than posing so not really destroying anything so no need to rebuild anything protein requirement drops drastically.

I am going to try this with protein powder as well but honestly I think all protein on that day will come from.... You guessed it BCAA's and why you ask? Because BCAA's produce an insuline reaction all on their own. No digestion really needed so not slowing anything down. Just pure BCAA's to the tune of about 75-100 grams throughout the day and what ever incidentals come up in the other foods.

One difference you will probably note during the practice weeks and peak week, you will be lifting weights during this carb up, and after as well. That may slightly speed up the recovery process after the carb up, and or may slow down the process of the load do to minor depletion from the workout. Unless of course that Tuesday is an off day for you.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Well you want to drink plenty of water on the following days to get the flushing effect, however by that point in prep if you are not approaching 1.5 gallons you just aren't drinking enough water anyway. The protein is not really of any consequence, you will not be working out other than posing so not really destroying anything so no need to rebuild anything protein requirement drops drastically.

I am going to try this with protein powder as well but honestly I think all protein on that day will come from.... You guessed it BCAA's and why you ask? Because BCAA's produce an insuline reaction all on their own. No digestion really needed so not slowing anything down. Just pure BCAA's to the tune of about 75-100 grams throughout the day and what ever incidentals come up in the other foods.

One difference you will probably note during the practice weeks and peak week, you will be lifting weights during this carb up, and after as well. That may slightly speed up the recovery process after the carb up, and or may slow down the process of the load do to minor depletion from the workout. Unless of course that Tuesday is an off day for you.
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I am actually doing this over the weekend and it ends on Saturday night (practice runs) and I workout Sunday morning. With calories this high the last thing I am worried about is catabolism though...
 
DreamWeaver said:
I am actually doing this over the weekend and it ends on Saturday night (practice runs) and I workout Sunday morning. With calories this high the last thing I am worried about is catabolism though...
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Oh I didn't mean catabolism, I meant regarding timing. Like if you did this Saturday and Saturday during the carb up was a workout, that it could slow down how quickly your muscle reaches saturation, as opposed to not having a workout burning of the glycogen you are trying to stuff yourself full of. Also that if working out afterwards like you will on Sunday you will burn more of that glycogen back down faster than you actually would on peak week because you will not be lifting that week. Those are minor details but may matter when it comes down to timing.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Oh I didn't mean catabolism, I meant regarding timing. Like if you did this Saturday and Saturday during the carb up was a workout, that it could slow down how quickly your muscle reaches saturation, as opposed to not having a workout burning of the glycogen you are trying to stuff yourself full of. Also that if working out afterwards like you will on Sunday you will burn more of that glycogen back down faster than you actually would on peak week because you will not be lifting that week. Those are minor details but may matter when it comes down to timing.
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Ok, yah I guess that should be taken into consideration concerning timing. So you might actually peak before 3 days but that's ok in that situation... I think you should be able to hold a peak for about 24 hours if you do it like this. I wonder how much we should adjust time wise based on the workouts. I am thinking only a few hours... so if you peak 3 hours early in practice then your probably right on the money... then you can gauge how long you hold it and adust accordingly.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Ok, yah I guess that should be taken into consideration concerning timing. So you might actually peak before 3 days but that's ok in that situation... I think you should be able to hold a peak for about 24 hours if you do it like this. I wonder how much we should adjust time wise based on the workouts. I am thinking only a few hours... so if you peak 3 hours early in practice then your probably right on the money... then you can gauge how long you hold it and adust accordingly.
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Honestly from my experience last year during prep, there really wont be much to holding the peak. As long as the water comes off and you lean and dry you should stay full just by eating maintenance carbs. You wont be burning off any glycogen other than what you use up during posing so you could not go flat again. Honestly this way seems to take out so many of the uncontrollable variables out of the equation. Since you are no longer trying to increase the glycogen stores in your muscle there really is no chance of you spilling over. If you did start to spill over again for some reason, more carbs and no water would fix that in an emergency situation but I just don't even see how that could happen.
 
MrKleen73 said:
Honestly from my experience last year during prep, there really wont be much to holding the peak. As long as the water comes off and you lean and dry you should stay full just by eating maintenance carbs. You wont be burning off any glycogen other than what you use up during posing so you could not go flat again. Honestly this way seems to take out so many of the uncontrollable variables out of the equation. Since you are no longer trying to increase the glycogen stores in your muscle there really is no chance of you spilling over. If you did start to spill over again for some reason, more carbs and no water would fix that in an emergency situation but I just don't even see how that could happen.
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That's what I am thinkng as well, seems to be quite a margin for error or peaking early. I just threw the 24 hours out there as a safe guess. If I get in good peak condition the night before I will be satisfied with that even it it's earlier in the evening. He says if you still look flat to eat fast food... lol I would love to walk back stage with a big mac in each hand looking ripped!! lol
 
Update from the last couple days... cardio in am and pm 30 minutes. I slowed it down this morning for a change didn't really seem any easier. I pushed my workouts back 1 day due to scheduling. Tonight I lift then late Friday morning, which is my first day on Pink Magic.

Oh and since my pics were taken 5 days ago it appears that have dropped quite a bit of body fat... the changes are coming quick now. I may be able to reduce cardio for the coming week, nothing too drastic just ease off till I find the sweet spot as I am losing pretty quickly. I am experiencing accelerated weight loss from OEP and this will happen when you cycle macros, weight loss may actually accelerate.
 
DreamWeaver said:
Update from the last couple days... cardio in am and pm 30 minutes. I slowed it down this morning for a change didn't really seem any easier. I pushed my workouts back 1 day due to scheduling. Tonight I lift then late Friday morning, which is my first day on Pink Magic.

Oh and since my pics were taken 5 days ago it appears that have dropped quite a bit of body fat... the changes are coming quick now. I may be able to reduce cardio for the coming week, nothing too drastic just ease off till I find the sweet spot as I am losing pretty quickly. I am experiencing accelerated weight loss from OEP and this will happen when you cycle macros, weight loss may actually accelerate.
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Sounds good bro.
 
hey DW, you will love this... Delta Force posted this up. This should get you staged and ready to roll!!!!
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MrKleen73 said:
Wow is the 4 cups spaghetti measured cooked or dry? Man that looks great and makes me ill all at the same time!
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That's what I was thinking. At first when I saw the pancakes, I was like...yum. Then after seeing the spaghetti and stuff, I was like.......nooooo!!:puke:

No way I could ruin some pancakes by tossing spaghetti in on top of them. :silly:
 
pembroke3355 said:
So your telling us not to hold our breath while we wait for the vids LOL.:)
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My camera is at my daughter in laws I will get her to bring it up.

thundergod said:
That's what I was thinking. At first when I saw the pancakes, I was like...yum. Then after seeing the spaghetti and stuff, I was like.......nooooo!!:puke:

No way I could ruin some pancakes by tossing spaghetti in on top of them. :silly:
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I was going to use the syrup for the pancakes but now your giving me ideas, maybe I'll just throw it all in a blender and sip it through a straw...
 
Not such a great workout last night it was very inconsistant, I equaled my best front squat for 10 at 250. Then failed miserably on db incline press and also on Push press (more on the second set), then I turn around and kill tri extensions... puzzling....

Well a big piece of the puzzle came to the forefront when I weighed in, I was down another 2 lbs since Suday!! How could this be that's 3.5 lbs since Friday!! 5 days!! I lost close to 4 the week before as well damn I was 217 when I started OEP about 2 weeks ago and I'm 208.5!! Makes no sense to me. I have reduced my cardio, let things settle down a bit.
 
Hey I went junk shopping for the first cut at skiploading... my goal was to get the best high carb to low fat ratio I could find. I did very well I would say about an average of 4-5% fat over all which is very good. This gives me some room so now I can go and get some low fat pizza or something as long as it's below 20% fat calories i should be golden and easily remain beneath 10% overall.

I got Oatmeal Criso triple berry 2 grams fat to 44 grams carbs if memory serves...
Chocolate lucky charms is like 1.5 grams fat to 35 cabs
Nestle quick cereal is 1 to 24
I got fat free muffin mix
Pancake mix 1 to 44 or something like that..
Sidekicks pasta if you get the tomato basil it's pretty low
Cheese rice crackers good ratio as well
Twizzlers licorice
Low fat ice cream and have some Stawberry sauce I can add that has 0 fat
Maple syrup

There are six meals so I have to average 333 grams of carbs per meal, if I can get about 500 in on Friday nigt that only leaves 300 grams per meal on Saturday. I just pray that 24 hours does it....
 
DreamWeaver said:
Hey I went junk shopping for the first cut at skiploading... my goal was to get the best high carb to low fat ratio I could find. I did very well I would say about an average of 4-5% fat over all which is very good. This gives me some room so now I can go and get some low fat pizza or something as long as it's below 20% fat calories i should be golden and easily remain beneath 10% overall.

I got Oatmeal Criso triple berry 2 grams fat to 44 grams carbs if memory serves...
Chocolate lucky charms is like 1.5 grams fat to 35 cabs
Nestle quick cereal is 1 to 24
I got fat free muffin mix
Pancake mix 1 to 44 or something like that..
Sidekicks pasta if you get the tomato basil it's pretty low
Cheese rice crackers good ratio as well
Twizzlers licorice
Low fat ice cream and have some Stawberry sauce I can add that has 0 fat
Maple syrup

There are six meals so I have to average 333 grams of carbs per meal, if I can get about 500 in on Friday nigt that only leaves 300 grams per meal on Saturday. I just pray that 24 hours does it....
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DW I am really curious how this works for you. If it does I may throw one of these in the following weekend to help supercharge the metabolism and see what I look like all dried out :). This sounds like you will be throwing in quite a bit of AP/Glycobol or are you just going to go at it without any?
 
oufinny said:
DW I am really curious how this works for you. If it does I may throw one of these in the following weekend to help supercharge the metabolism and see what I look like all dried out :). This sounds like you will be throwing in quite a bit of AP/Glycobol or are you just going to go at it without any?
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Yah seeing they are high glycemic carbs, I am thinking pslin might be best, opinions on this would be welcome. How does glycobol handle these kinds of carbs, I am in uncharted waters here, this is the opposite of how I eat!
 
DreamWeaver said:
Yah seeing they are high glycemic carbs, I am thinking pslin might be best, opinions on this would be welcome. How does glycobol handle these kinds of carbs, I am in uncharted waters here, this is the opposite of how I eat!
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I am quite curious myself though I am sure that P-Slin is an excellent choice being that simple carbs are part of the protocol for using it. That and think about the mass monster shakes people make with p-slin in bulk, they are heavy on the simple carbs. Glycobol I am supposed to be getting this week so knowing how to use it would be nice!
 
oufinny said:
I am quite curious myself though I am sure that P-Slin is an excellent choice being that simple carbs are part of the protocol for using it. That and think about the mass monster shakes people make with p-slin in bulk, they are heavy on the simple carbs. Glycobol I am supposed to be getting this week so knowing how to use it would be nice!
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I use Glycobol with complex carbs but don't know how it handles simple carbs...
 
pembroke3355 said:
I would use it with at least 50g of complex carbs. I would also start with 1 cap twice a day to access what your tolerence is. This thread may help somr also.

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Yah I know that but I am in a situation where I am taking in 300g of simple carbs in one shot lol
 
Army Guy said:
lucky jerk!!! Like Christmas at the DW household!!!
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No doubt AG! I would throw in a box of Samoa Girl Scout cookies for good measure; no matter how full I can tear those apart. Must have been why I got up to 235 and 30% body fat... NEVER AGAIN! DW enjoy your skiploading, it is making me jealous already though the 40 grams of oat carbs I had have me happy.
 
haha I was 248 and 30% myself at one time... I also blame cookies, with some cheese and ranch dressing thrown in for good measure!!!
 
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