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I talked to the testers again today this time via phone instead of text. I have a clarification.

The clean users numbers= weeks 1-2, 465. week 3-505
The geared user= weeks 1-2 425. Week 3 505.

SO the geared user is seeing significantly more strength increase. Keeping in mind his AAS load is not changing. Hes just on low dose test and its week 20 so no strength increases are indicated. Interesting for sure but this implies this stuff is doing exactly what we expect.

Again if it persists IM gonna start production.
 
MikeST said:
hmm did not know that, the sanitizer i use does have aloe vera in it so it should be ok. maybe worth putting some moisturizer on after?
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As long as you dont notice dry skin its ok. Alcohol really dries out the skin though.
Aloe and vit e really helps which is why we include it in our carrier.
Just keep an eye on it.
 
brundel said:
I talked to the testers again today this time via phone instead of text. I have a clarification.

The clean users numbers= weeks 1-2, 465. week 3-505
The geared user= weeks 1-2 425. Week 3 505.

SO the geared user is seeing significantly more strength increase. Keeping in mind his AAS load is not changing. Hes just on low dose test and its week 20 so no strength increases are indicated. Interesting for sure but this implies this stuff is doing exactly what we expect.

Again if it persists IM gonna start production.
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Can't wait to see a couple people here trying this!
 
Well, it simply doesn't work for me. I run labs and it never touched e2. I am embarrassed to say that I ran through 4-5 bottles when it came out thinking it was working and came to find out it was placebo.
 
kisaj said:
Well, it simply doesn't work for me. I run labs and it never touched e2. I am embarrassed to say that I ran through 4-5 bottles when it came out thinking it was working and came to find out it was placebo.
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Oh wow. Well labs don't lie lol

If you write this on a PES thread you will get bombarded.

I never got bloods done and as u said it's more of a placebo affect.
 
Formeron is hands down the best topical product I ever used. When you balance results with with no sides it can't be beat. Trust me I've used similar products recently and it's so far and away superior . I'd say its on par with a mild pro hormone cycle without the risky methyl sides.
 
halfhuman said:
Oh wow. Well labs don't lie lol

If you write this on a PES thread you will get bombarded.

I never got bloods done and as u said it's more of a placebo affect.
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Yeah, I don't like to be a troublemaker and there are people that feel it is working, so placebo effect can be very powerful. Who am I to tell them differently? Hell, I believed it myself until I actually saw the numbers.

Now, Formeron on the other hand dropped my e2 numbers by 10-12 points with just two squirts a day. That is an OTC that I want to spend my money on.
 
Well....when there are 30 reps who parrot the manufacturers claims in every thread people start to believe it. This is part of why we dont have tons of reps. The guys saying our products are good are actual users with nothing to gain or lose.
 
Started my form 3/1. Basically 4 pumps a day. I'm drying up my lips are chapped. Liking everything it has to offer!
 
brundel said:
Well....when there are 30 reps who parrot the manufacturers claims in every thread people start to believe it. This is part of why we dont have tons of reps. The guys saying our products are good are actual users with nothing to gain or lose.
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Damn straight.
 
halfhuman said:
Oh wow. Well labs don't lie lol If you write this on a PES thread you will get bombarded. I never got bloods done and as u said it's more of a placebo affect.
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The MuscleTech of Anabolic Minds
 
I just upped my dose of Formeron to 2 pumps/day two days ago. I've been on 1 pump/day since November (took 3 pumps at some point to get rid of old gyno - it worked). I'm trying to drop few lbs of water in order to fit in 181lbs weightnclass on my powerlifting meet in 11 days. So far so good - I haven't weighted myself but I think I look slightly dryer.
 
g0hardorgohom said:
I just upped my dose of Formeron to 2 pumps/day two days ago. I've been on 1 pump/day since November (took 3 pumps at some point to get rid of old gyno - it worked). I'm trying to drop few lbs of water in order to fit in 181lbs weightnclass on my powerlifting meet in 11 days. So far so good - I haven't weighted myself but I think I look slightly dryer.
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2 pumps is still relatively low with formeron but its enough for me to notice drying for sure.
Everyone is different of course.
 
brundel said:
2 pumps is still relatively low with formeron but its enough for me to notice drying for sure.
Everyone is different of course.
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I usually react well to low doses of everything. 3 pumps was enough to get rid of stubborn pubertal gyno so I think 2 pumps will help to drop some water - but I'll up it if needed! Titties are all good and I'm taking something else to help with strength.

Of course I could just eat/drink less or do some cardio. But for me, cardio = ability to lose gains.
 
Piston Honda said:
The MuscleTech of Anabolic Minds
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I'm fully cognizant of what is said in this thread and could frankly speak quite a bit on a lot of what is presented, but I keep my mouth shut out of respect for Brundel's subsection. Similarly, I could say a lot about MAN but I keep my mouth shut because several months ago, you and I exchanged PMs saying we would stop bashing each other's companies. Since that day, have you seen me say a word about MAN? That is also out of respect for you. It is our PM exchange, and ours alone, that makes me take a step back before saying something that goes against my word.

Brundel is free to bash PES to his mighty heart's content since this is his section. However, I had higher expectations of you, specifically with regard to honoring your word. It's a matter of respect, and I'd rather not lose my respect towards you over simple "company wars" or whatever this has turned into.
 
kisaj said:
Well, it simply doesn't work for me. I run labs and it never touched e2. I am embarrassed to say that I ran through 4-5 bottles when it came out thinking it was working and came to find out it was placebo.
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It's a absolute waste of money. It's all strong placebo. Too many dedicated followers to see through the BS.

Cooper is a very respected AM member as well and some of the advice and knowledge he has is unbelievable. But this still doesn't mean erase works... That's my personal opinion though
 
horizons said:
It's a absolute waste of money. It's all strong placebo. Too many dedicated followers to see through the BS.

Cooper is a very respected AM member as well and some of the advice and knowledge he has is unbelievable. But this still doesn't mean erase works... That's my personal opinion though
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I definatly get effects from it, particularly shoulder pain if i take too much. Clearly it does something. Could this be to do with cortisol rather than estrogen?
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I'm fully cognizant of what is said in this thread and could frankly speak quite a bit on a lot of what is presented, but I keep my mouth shut out of respect for Brundel's subsection. Similarly, I could say a lot about MAN but I keep my mouth shut because several months ago, you and I exchanged PMs saying we would stop bashing each other's companies. Since that day, have you seen me say a word about MAN? That is also out of respect for you. It is our PM exchange, and ours alone, that makes me take a step back before saying something that goes against my word. Brundel is free to bash PES to his mighty heart's content since this is his section. However, I had higher expectations of you, specifically with regard to honoring your word. It's a matter of respect, and I'd rather not lose my respect towards you over simple "company wars" or whatever this has turned into.
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Look carefully, do I care what you say about MAN any more?
 
So far three days in and I'm loving it!!

Strength has continued to rise weight is maintaining ( But I look leaner :D ). And most importantly I'm in a great mood.

This is a far cry from feeling lethargic, moody and demotivated like I normally would be with my typical clomid pct.
 
flightposite said:
So far three days in and I'm loving it!! Strength has continued to rise weight is maintaining ( But I look leaner :D ). And most importantly I'm in a great mood. This is a far cry from feeling lethargic, moody and demotivated like I normally would be with my typical clomid pct.
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Nicee.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I'm fully cognizant of what is said in this thread and could frankly speak quite a bit on a lot of what is presented, but I keep my mouth shut out of respect for Brundel's subsection. Similarly, I could say a lot about MAN but I keep my mouth shut because several months ago, you and I exchanged PMs saying we would stop bashing each other's companies. Since that day, have you seen me say a word about MAN? That is also out of respect for you. It is our PM exchange, and ours alone, that makes me take a step back before saying something that goes against my word.

Brundel is free to bash PES to his mighty heart's content since this is his section. However, I had higher expectations of you, specifically with regard to honoring your word. It's a matter of respect, and I'd rather not lose my respect towards you over simple "company wars" or whatever this has turned into.
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I dont even know what MAN sports is for the record so this doesnt apply to me at least. In addition Im not responsible for the posts of others.
Keep in mind we have only 1 rep and hes pretty quiet and I dont believe has ever said a negative word about anyone. If someone other than me speaks about PES or anyone its their own opinion. Also just because someone is in this thread and supports us doesnt mean when they make negative statements about PES or anyone else it is me or my company doing so. Sometimes people dont like products and they like others. This is beyond my control outside of my personal attempts to make quality products.

As for me I dont go out of my way to bash PES. I only support that we tested arimistane multiple times using bloodwork and it failed 100% to do anything but alter liver enzymes. This isnt PES bashing its just a fact about an ingredient we tested with the intent to use in a supplement. Since this ingredient is no longer being used by PES its not bashing them to say it doesnt work. Ive bit my tongue with regards to the new formulation and only opened my mouth when you provoked it.

Believe it or not Im trying to avoid openly bashing them or arguing with you.
Its not gonna get us anything good. We both have to co exist here and you and I arguing just makes us look like children.
Ive done my best to not start arguments or direct negative statements toward you or them.
I assure you there is ALOT I can say as well. There are things I know most dont but I refrain in order to prevent us muddying up otherwise fruitful threads and to maintain a level of dignity within this space. I moderate other forums as well more than 1 with over 100k members as Ive been on these forums for decades. I know well how to keep peace and wage wars.

Ive even avoided going into SNS forums and ripping them a new one based upon the stupidity of one of their reps.
I keep most of my opinions here.

Shortly my presence as well as the presence of my company on these forums will increase dramatically.
Ill do my best to avoid bashing others and Ill avoid arguing with you, but, I reserve the right to defend myself and my brand when necessary and will do so when provoked.
 
flightposite said:
So far three days in and I'm loving it!!

Strength has continued to rise weight is maintaining ( But I look leaner :D ). And most importantly I'm in a great mood.

This is a far cry from feeling lethargic, moody and demotivated like I normally would be with my typical clomid pct.
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Awesome!
Clomid makes me want to kill myself lol. Terrible.
Nolva doesnt do this to me for whatever reason.
The SERM you are taking works like Nolva. While clomid and nolva are both SERMS they dont work exactly the same.
SERM= SELECTIVE estro receptor modulator. So they bind to specific receptors. Its by binding to certain receptors that clomid causes depression and lethargy.
Thus far none of the testers complained of depression or any negative sides at all.

I have 100% confidence you will recover as well or better with this PCT as any you can concoct.
 
Docmattic said:
I definatly get effects from it, particularly shoulder pain if i take too much. Clearly it does something. Could this be to do with cortisol rather than estrogen?
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It's just metabolites of DHEA. Even orally it has lack of effect on cortisol. If you look at something like Reduce XT, it gives you kind of the same thing and that can give sore and achey joints.

Arimistane (because of the name your brain instantly thinks it's a AI) has had no tests, proof or bloods to prove that it has any effect on hormones what so ever.

That's like taking tribulus when there is no proof that it doesn't actually increase test at all, but because it's a certain brand or they are so popular you spend copious amount of money on it and continue to take it.

To me that doesn't make sense
 
brundel said:
I dont even know what MAN sports is for the record so this doesnt apply to me at least. In addition Im not responsible for the posts of others.
Keep in mind we have only 1 rep and hes pretty quiet and I dont believe has ever said a negative word about anyone. If someone other than me speaks about PES or anyone its their own opinion. Also just because someone is in this thread and supports us doesnt mean when they make negative statements about PES or anyone else it is me or my company doing so. Sometimes people dont like products and they like others. This is beyond my control outside of my personal attempts to make quality products.

As for me I dont go out of my way to bash PES. I only support that we tested arimistane multiple times using bloodwork and it failed 100% to do anything but alter liver enzymes. This isnt PES bashing its just a fact about an ingredient we tested with the intent to use in a supplement. Since this ingredient is no longer being used by PES its not bashing them to say it doesnt work. Ive bit my tongue with regards to the new formulation and only opened my mouth when you provoked it.

Believe it or not Im trying to avoid openly bashing them or arguing with you.
Its not gonna get us anything good. We both have to co exist here and you and I arguing just makes us look like children.
Ive done my best to not start arguments or direct negative statements toward you or them.
I assure you there is ALOT I can say as well. There are things I know most dont but I refrain in order to prevent us muddying up otherwise fruitful threads and to maintain a level of dignity within this space. I moderate other forums as well more than 1 with over 100k members as Ive been on these forums for decades. I know well how to keep peace and wage wars.

Ive even avoided going into SNS forums and ripping them a new one based upon the stupidity of one of their reps.
I keep most of my opinions here.

Shortly my presence as well as the presence of my company on these forums will increase dramatically.
Ill do my best to avoid bashing others and Ill avoid arguing with you, but, I reserve the right to defend myself and my brand when necessary and will do so when provoked.
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I know that you hold your tongue quite a bit as well. It's what comes with insider info...you need to pick and choose your battles. I didn't come in here seeking an argument with you. As I said, you pay to be a sponsor, to have this section...you can say whatever you please.

Like you, I'm seeking to avoid bashing companies on these forums and I see no reason why we can't coexist
 
I think like most people who go on AM, i use this site to find good products that work. I almost rather the companies not get along. If a product has been proven to not have any effect, then i would like to hear the bashing so i dont waste a bunch of money...
 
Psychward said:
I think like most people who go on AM, i use this site to find good products that work. I almost rather the companies not get along. If a product has been proven to not have any effect, then i would like to hear the bashing so i dont waste a bunch of money...
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Lol. I kinda agree with you here. I don't necessarily want people to have beef or not get along. I've been a member of this board for a long time and I respect people here and for the most part want nothing but the best for people. But I do like it when people like brundel aren't afraid to speak their minds and will tell it like it is. Sometimes companies would rather just mask the truth or keep quiet for a quick buck. This hurts the costumer and causes mistrust in the industry. I'm thankful for the few companies out there that still put the customer first. Black lion is one of the the few that do this. And obviously I feel The same about the company I rep.

Thanks brundel keep up the good work.

On a side note. I've been dosing Formeron in the morning and the natty serm at night. Do you feel this is an optimal way to dose it. So far my results have been fantastic. But I wanted to pick your brain and make sure this is what you had in mind
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I know that you hold your tongue quite a bit as well. It's what comes with insider info...you need to pick and choose your battles. I didn't come in here seeking an argument with you. As I said, you pay to be a sponsor, to have this section...you can say whatever you please.

Like you, I'm seeking to avoid bashing companies on these forums and I see no reason why we can't coexist
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(Going off what you said) We seemed to have been doing just fine and I don't see a problem with you commenting on this. I feel you're being professional about it. But whomever mw1 is, just came in and stirred the pot for whatever reason. This blr section and a few other sections are the only places I comment on. Generally stay pretty quiet unless brundel gets really busy... but I'm always here to answer questions and back up our product. I would assume any rep would do the same about their company in regards to bashing. This isn't the first time he's come in here either. We all have freedom to talk but I don't think it was needed and it was straight disrespectful. I loathe his comments. Just putting in my 2 cents :)
 
mr.cooper69 said:
I know that you hold your tongue quite a bit as well. It's what comes with insider info...you need to pick and choose your battles. I didn't come in here seeking an argument with you. As I said, you pay to be a sponsor, to have this section...you can say whatever you please.

Like you, I'm seeking to avoid bashing companies on these forums and I see no reason why we can't coexist
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I agree.
 
Psychward said:
I think like most people who go on AM, i use this site to find good products that work. I almost rather the companies not get along. If a product has been proven to not have any effect, then i would like to hear the bashing so i dont waste a bunch of money...
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Generally speaking I try not to bash companies for no reason.
There has been a few incidents where I was drawn into things because our products were called out by other company reps with agendas.
I stand by my products. I created them. I tested them. I know they work. Period. It is without refute. I use every one myself.
MANY of the products on the market are placebos...this is also fact. If I went after every company and pointed out the flaws Id be the bad guy in no time.

This industry is founded on deception and a lack of education on the buyer end with regards to ingredients.
Guys will just look at whatever everyone says works and buy that product but this is a bad way to go because online, big companies pay guys to say the products work.
Again part of why we only have 1 rep. I want you to buy our products because real people who use the product say it works.

THere are 50000 views of this thread. ( if you dig through the internet there are a few like this with my name on them mostly chemistry threads) People can come in here, see who I am, see how I interact with others, ask direct questions about anything they want.
Like I said Ive been moderating online bodybuilding forums for over a decade. Before it was to help new guys not make AAS mistakes and to help new Gear chemists not kill themselves or others. Now I still try to help as much as I can while also promoting our brand.

I can promise you 1 thing that will never change. If you buy our products they do what we say they do. Period.
 
flightposite said:
Lol. I kinda agree with you here. I don't necessarily want people to have beef or not get along. I've been a member of this board for a long time and I respect people here and for the most part want nothing but the best for people. But I do like it when people like brundel aren't afraid to speak their minds and will tell it like it is. Sometimes companies would rather just mask the truth or keep quiet for a quick buck. This hurts the costumer and causes mistrust in the industry. I'm thankful for the few companies out there that still put the customer first. Black lion is one of the the few that do this. And obviously I feel The same about the company I rep.

Thanks brundel keep up the good work.

On a side note. I've been dosing Formeron in the morning and the natty serm at night. Do you feel this is an optimal way to dose it. So far my results have been fantastic. But I wanted to pick your brain and make sure this is what you had in mind
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I dont see any reason to do otherwise. The SERM has a special delivery system. Its not just the SERM. So its bioavailibility in tests is 700% of normal.
Im not sure how or if this effects its halflife but I think once daily administration will do fine.

The last guy who ran this PCT maintained his cycle weight through PCT and after and continued to gain strength during PCT.
He gained 20lbs and retained it. Its the fast HPTA restoration that helped him retain his gains.
Awesome.
 
Psychward said:
I think like most people who go on AM, i use this site to find good products that work. I almost rather the companies not get along. If a product has been proven to not have any effect, then i would like to hear the bashing so i dont waste a bunch of money...
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Believe me, I speak the truth on enough products as is. The few times I have slipped on brundel were the products of letting my real world problems translate over into forum posting. Do I buy everything that's said about formeron? No. Is it a great product? Yes. And to show that I mean this, do I buy everything that's said about Erase? No. Is it a great product? Yes.

Every product gets hyped up to some extent, but the one's that stick around are those that satisfy enough people to create repeat buyers and numerous supporters, as both Formeron and Erase have done. It's interesting that certain products get pulled into the spotlight and attacked, when virtually every other product in the respective categories is utter BS. But that's the price of success and innovation: you're always in the spotlight whether you like it or not.

I think brundel has a lot to contribute to the main section if he ever wanders over. We may disagree at times, but at least you'll always see a basis for any disagreement. We aren't two idiots arguing over anecdote, but we rather try to bring hard science and evidence into the discussion. This, IMO, is what you should seek in the forums. Not company bashing, but educated debate/disagreement.
 
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