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Fish and flaxoil hinder bulk???

flax doesnt seem to effect weight gain and feed efficiency for cattle or pigs

for poultry it actually seemed to increase lean gain and decrease fat deposition

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One could theorize that the suppression of inflammation from heavy omega-3 doses will inhibiting muscle recovery. Immune response isnt necessarily a bad thing all together. Those macrophages are responsible for eliminating dead tissue to new somatic tissue can grow in its place.
 
OrganicShadow said:
One could theorize that the suppression of inflammation from heavy omega-3 doses will inhibiting muscle recovery. Immune response isnt necessarily a bad thing all together. Those macrophages are responsible for eliminating dead tissue to new somatic tissue can grow in its place.
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and one may theorize that the suppression of inflammation from omega-3 may enhance muscle recovery.

it depends on so many factors and the state of the individual. Practiacally speaking, they probably dont have a substantial influence either way
 
Patrick Arnold said:
and one may theorize that the suppression of inflammation from omega-3 may enhance muscle recovery.

it depends on so many factors and the state of the individual. Practiacally speaking, they probably dont have a substantial influence either way
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Agreed. Plus, fatty acid balance is far more relevant than reductionist views of a single fatty acid.
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Agreed. Plus, fatty acid balance is far more relevant than reductionist views of a single fatty acid.
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people often concentrate on one variable and make ridiculous conclusions. an example is concentrating on growth hormone release during exercise. if you take that craziness to its extreme than you would conclude that its most advantageous to train while fasted.....of course we know thats not a very beneficial practice in real humans
 
Patrick Arnold said:
people often concentrate on one variable and make ridiculous conclusions. an example is concentrating on growth hormone release during exercise. if you take that craziness to its extreme than you would conclude that its most advantageous to train while fasted.....of course we know thats not a very beneficial practice in real humans
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But bro...N-Coumaryldopamine is stronger than clen
 
So compound 20 is worth it?
 
Patrick Arnold said:
look what you started cooper

cheezus
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I retract my statement PA. Ignore it :)

Not gonna waste on good Info over c20.
 
PA,

If using Clen, is there a taurine dose (mg) to prevent any cardio issues?
When I have taurine in my pre w/o (bulk powder) and 100mcg Clen, I don't get puffed where as Clen BG itself kills my endurance
 
runner_79 said:
PA,

If using Clen, is there a taurine dose (mg) to prevent any cardio issues?
When I have taurine in my pre w/o (bulk powder) and 100mcg Clen, I don't get puffed where as Clen BG itself kills my endurance
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this is unresearched territory
 
Fish oil is a supplement god. Flax seed oil idk about.Why not use ground flax seeds for the good fats,fiber,calories and health benifits? I dont think it will hinder gains.
 
There are a few articles out there suggesting that taking Fish Oil regularly, helps suppress appetite. This may be where someone concocted this notion. I wouldn't read too far into it honestly.
 
Get rid of short chain omega 6s
 
Patrick Arnold said:
you cant just get rid of omega 6 fats because they are ubiquitous

u can optimize your omega 3 / omega 6 ratio though
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What i should say...optimal ratio 1:2 1:3
 
runner_79 said:
What i should say...optimal ratio 1:2 1:3
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Dude, tracking omega 3s and 6s down to the milligram is not worth the trouble. Eat a diet with a balanced fatty acid profile, including even saturated fats in moderation. Take a high epa/dha fish oil supplement if you don't consume fatty fish. Profit
 
I wonder if this "will fish oil hinder my bulk" stems from recommendations not to take fish oil while on arachidonic acid supplements.

Fish oil increases mTOR.

Dietary omega-3 fatty acid supplementation increases the rate of muscle protein synthesis in older adults: a randomized trial

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mr.cooper69 said:
Dude, tracking omega 3s and 6s down to the milligram is not worth the trouble. Eat a diet with a balanced fatty acid profile, including even saturated fats in moderation. Take a high epa/dha fish oil supplement if you don't consume fatty fish. Profit
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this is my philosophy as well. i take fish oil and eat some fish throughout the week and other than that i dont track where my fats are coming from. i figure my supplementation is keeping me within reasonable balance and thats good enough
 
mr.cooper69 said:
Dude, tracking omega 3s and 6s down to the milligram is not worth the trouble. Eat a diet with a balanced fatty acid profile, including even saturated fats in moderation. Take a high epa/dha fish oil supplement if you don't consume fatty fish. Profit
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dont be afraid of coconut oil either. It may consist of saturated fats but they are medium chain fats so they get oxidized in the liver preferentially. Part of this process generates ketones, which are great for the brain
 
bdcc said:
I wonder if this "will fish oil hinder my bulk" stems from recommendations not to take fish oil while on arachidonic acid supplements.

Fish oil increases mTOR.

Dietary omega-3 fatty acid supplementation increases the rate of muscle protein synthesis in older adults: a randomized trial

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are people still using arachadonic acid? didnt llewellyn change his view on simulataneous ingestion of omega3s?
 
Patrick Arnold said:
are people still using arachadonic acid? didnt llewellyn change his view on simulataneous ingestion of omega3s?
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I am not sure if the recommendations have changed or not. I definitely remember this advice being given by MN reps at some point.

It was the idea that skewing my AA:EPA ratio was necessary which turned me off trying it.

They recently started promoting on here again but the one rep I saw was banned a few days after he came back.
 
bdcc said:
I am not sure if the recommendations have changed or not. I definitely remember this advice being given by MN reps at some point.

It was the idea that skewing my AA:EPA ratio was necessary which turned me off trying it.

They recently started promoting on here again but the one rep I saw was banned a few days after he came back.
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You can ingest all the EPA/DHA you like, as long as it is spaced as far as possible from your preworkout ArA dose. This is why XFA included omega-3s, but this was a pretty shoddy approach considering that they would competitively inhibit ArA delivery if co-ingested.
 
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