Noto
New member
I just started today, pulsing Mon/Tues and Thurs/Fri. App Nut suggested it for being my first pro hormone and lifting schedule.
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I just started today, pulsing Mon/Tues and Thurs/Fri. App Nut suggested it for being my first pro hormone and lifting schedule.
Green Lantern
Banned
Thanks for the fast response Noto! If you get around to it, please drop me a PM in a week or so time when you notice effects.
OzzY SluGGa
Banned
Yeah, its kinda a pity there are no pulsng logs...be interestin. I knoe SamBoz intends to at some stage. but to my knowledge there Isnt one going yet. I could be wrong though. That happens once a year or so :laugh:
Noto
New member
I just started my log today. I plan on pulsing 4-5 weeks. I know the whole idea of pulsing is to be able to take less for a longer period of time, w/ less negative side effects. I guess we'll see where this takes me, it's my first pro hormone and I didnt want to go full board right off. I'll have initial pics up this evening, along with additional supplements taking with "THE ONE"
Zero V
Well-known member
It will be my first as well(starting end of this month hopefully, have to see how I finish recovering). But I am going full on with it. I will be watching your log mate, wishing you luck. I will be doing 4 weeks of "The One".
OzzY SluGGa
Banned
EasyEJL
Never enough
Milk thistle and saw palmetto each have the possibility of lowering gains. possibly taken on off days, it would be ok pulsing, but its hard to say for sure
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Sean (aka SamBoz19) started his pulse on the 23rd of March (his cycle is being detailed in his workout log: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/96515-samboz19s-epic-daily.html from post #455). However, he is not pulsing it as one might do a regular pulse, but something completely different. Follow along.
Jayhawkk
Legend
I just got my first of two blood test results back...
I'll post the full report tomorrow but somehow my alt and ast levels are lower at the tail end of my cycle that my previous bloodwork last oct where I wasn't even on anything. I'm convinced this stuff is very kind to the liver. I
ll have another set done at the end of my pct
I'll post the full report tomorrow but somehow my alt and ast levels are lower at the tail end of my cycle that my previous bloodwork last oct where I wasn't even on anything. I'm convinced this stuff is very kind to the liver. I
ll have another set done at the end of my pct
OzzY SluGGa
Banned
Zero V
Well-known member
"Kind to the liver..." Now thats what I like to hear!
Indeed. I am wondering how kind though. Maybe Cycle Support is not as needed, but surely still some Milk Thistle?
1HP
Well-known member
I'm almost done with my first bottle of TO and contemplating on doing another 10 days or so on my second bottle.
I did 15 days at 3 caps and 15 days at 4 caps. I'm up 13 lbs, guessing 10 muscle/glyco 3 fat. The fat gain is probably due to the incredible hunger it gave me the first 2 weeks.
The reason I'm considering doing another 10 days is I'm just getting strength gains this week, I doubled my reps on my top set bench press and added 20 lbs to my power cleans and push presses , I did not get strength gains the first 3 weeks, only size and some endurance.
I did 15 days at 3 caps and 15 days at 4 caps. I'm up 13 lbs, guessing 10 muscle/glyco 3 fat. The fat gain is probably due to the incredible hunger it gave me the first 2 weeks.
The reason I'm considering doing another 10 days is I'm just getting strength gains this week, I doubled my reps on my top set bench press and added 20 lbs to my power cleans and push presses , I did not get strength gains the first 3 weeks, only size and some endurance.
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
CrownRoyal
CrownRoyal: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/119391-my-first-ph.html
CrownRoyal: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/119391-my-first-ph.html
Third Week Review:
Diet - My calories have been from 3700-4200 calories, which is around 800-1000calories more than I've been taking in the past few months.
Training - training has been great. I have consistently made gains in the amount of weight I have been pressing. Each workout as been around 1 hr and 20min, which I know is a bit longer than you're supposed to train, but I have felt good throughout each workout with a great sense of accomplishment.
Body composition and Look - Friends (who are following this log and that I train with) have told me that I look considerately larger than in my pre-cycle pictures. I also feel bigger and look bigger IMO. I mean, I better, I've gained almost 10lbs! hah.
Muscle Hardness - Muscle hardness has definitely increased; some of my muscles feel like bricks to the touch, I love it! hah
Vascularity - Same level of vascularity as before, definitely a bit more than normal. The pumps are also great. Nothing TOO insane.
Strength - As previously stated, my strength has definitely and noticeable gone up. Again, I am sure it would go up A LOT more if I was doing strength training, but I am currently doing volume training for size, but I believe my strength has gone up significantly for not even lifting for strength. Nothing wrong with that!
Speed - Again, I haven't been running at all, so I have no idea. But, the other night I chased after a friend in his car, I sprinted for about 100 meters, and right after a bunch of my friends said "woah, you're really fast dude" and honestly, sprinting felt GREAT! I felt VERY strong/solid, like a machine.
Co-ordination - Haven't really noticed much in the co-ordination area, but then again, I haven't really been looking/testing for a change in co-ordination, so I am not sure.
Quality of Training - A+ for sure. Training has been consistently great. I am really going to miss being on 'the one.'
Mood/Aggression - Honestly, I haven't been in such a consistently positive, great mood like this in a very long time. No ups and downs, no roller coaster. I have felt great 24/7. I have been focused, relaxed and on point.
Libido - My libido is still great, don't need to worry about that
Joints - My joints haven't really posed any problems; I also increased my fish oil dosages and have been feeling great (also still taking cissus).
Overall Sense of Feeling (to include mention of any shut-down or sides) - A+ .. I am really going to miss being on 'the one,' I really hope I feel this good mentally following the cycle. Maybe I have found a new level of confidence within myself? One can only hope.. As far as shut-down or sides, haven't really noticed any besides minor acne due to increased oil production on my face (which was pretty much expected). Everything else has been A OK
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
EasyEJL
Never enough
All I can say is that I can show you studies showing milk thistle and saw palmetto binding to androgen receptors. If they are binding to them, then it means less space for other androgens to bind, which would mean less results. Its up to you what do actually do. As far as liver protection goes, SAMe or even TMG work decently well, and have other benefits besides, and don't bind to androgen receptor. For prostate issues, honestly if you already have any prostate issues i'd suggest against using any hormonal product at all. But otherwise you could use nettle root as it has some prostate protective properties and so far i haven't seen any studies showing it to bind to ARs (not saying that it doesn't, but I didn't see any studies). So to be safest, no prostate support while on cycle, but post cycle is fine.
Really the same is true of liver support, not taking it during cycle, but using it in PCT also helps your liver recover.
ilovefish
New member
Interesting easy i am using liver xt during this cycle an if it has slowed my gains does that mean i shouldve gained 32 pounds by now instead of the 22 i have lol ive been only taking 2 caps a day right before bed so many many hours after my last does of the one
Zero V
Well-known member
So in theory, with something as mild sides wise as The One, you could "freeball " it in terms of liver support
I need to find more :type:With this being my first PH I will ever do, I doubt some milk thistle could really hinder my gains, unless i had my head in a hole in the ground... As long as I dont do the overdosing some people do out of fear lol. I think i seen like 5g of milkthisle a day before. something tells me that is a bit much...
ilovefish
New member
Yeah i figured it would do any cleaning detoxifing that needs to be done over night an be cleared by the morning that was my theory anyway.
EasyEJL
Never enough
So in theory, with something as mild sides wise as The One, you could "freeball " it in terms of liver support
With this being my first PH I will ever do, I doubt some milk thistle could really hinder my gains, unless i had my head in a hole in the ground... As long as I dont do the overdosing some people do out of fear lol. I think i seen like 5g of milkthisle a day before. something tells me that is a bit much...
I just took SAMe, you can look at the other logs to see what people used, but there wasn't a ton of liver support. Look at Jayhawk's blood work too
Zero V
Well-known member
I just took SAMe, you can look at the other logs to see what people used, but there wasn't a ton of liver support. Look at Jayhawk's blood work too
I can see that. Looking like a perfect choice for a first PH. Frustrating having to wait another 30ish days >.<
Twill be my first log since AE. Though that stuff I thinks messed me up for awhile, and its not even hormonal.
Jayhawkk
Legend
Well, they're in normal range according to the print out. The only (H) marked on my results are for potassium. I am taking a single pot pill so I know the reason on the elevation.
Past October was
AST- High 60's
ALT- High 80's
I think... I don't have them in rfront of me right now.
Past October was
AST- High 60's
ALT- High 80's
I think... I don't have them in rfront of me right now.
Dragon13
Active member
Wow, I didn't know milk thistle bound to the AR! If you have those studies available, I would like to check them out. Thanks.
Dragon13
Active member
Not sure what lab you're using, but the AST high reference range usually falls around 35-45, and ALT somewhere around 50-55, roughly. 56 and 68 would def. register as high in the 2 labs I've used personally (Quest and I forget the other, think it was LabCorp).
I would say both tests were elevated, although slightly, but the important take-home point: values decreased when tested post-cycle. That is absolutely amazing, and coinciding with Don's report of very slightly elevated levels post-cycle (think he was at 45-50, roughly), eveidence is there to suggest it is indeed very liver-friendly.
I am definitely going to run this at some point.
EasyEJL
Never enough
Dragon13
Active member
I'm no scientist, but the study went to great length to specify that silymarin did not affect the whole cell AR level, only the nuclear level. I don't know if that makes a difference or not? Maybe someone with a background in this can clue me in.
I'd never heard that milk thistle affected the AR at all. I've heard the rumors that milk thistle can inhibit gains while on, but nobody has ever backed the claim up with any evidence. Interesting either way, thanks Easy.
mweaver84
New member
I started taking The One about 5 days ago and so far have seen pretty decent results (dont know exact weight). Fiance even said I started looking bigger yesterday One thing I am concerned about is since the first day taking it I have had my gyno flare up (have always had a lil bit since puberty but has definitely puffed up more since starting). I recently started using Raloxifene along with The One but really considering about stopping using The One after today... I've read that Raloxifene takes a few weeks to start working but really don't think I wanna have my gyno get anyworse. What do you guys think? = /
One thing I am concerned about is since the first day taking it I have had my gyno flare up (have always had a lil bit since puberty but has definitely puffed up more since starting). I recently started using Raloxifene along with The One but really considering about stopping using The One after today... I've read that Raloxifene takes a few weeks to start working but really don't think I wanna have my gyno get anyworse. What do you guys think? = /
1HP
Well-known member
I started taking The One about 5 days ago and so far have seen pretty decent results (dont know exact weight). Fiance even said I started looking bigger yesterday
I'm running ralox and The One and its actually shrunk my gyno by 50% atleast. I'm even contemplating on going 6 weeks now to get some more shrinkage and I'm just starting to see strength gains on day ~30. Also no sides apart from some lethargy beacuse of going to 4 caps a day and an occasional mild lower back pump when I forget to take my taurine.
mweaver84
New member
Glad to hear of the good results. I read somewhere else on these forums that another person had good results will The One/Ralox combo. I just would hate to see my gyno getting any worse :ugh: . Maybe I'll give it one more week... and hope the Ralox kicks in. If it gets any worse will probably have to take the $70 loss and toss the bottle though
1HP
Well-known member
1 guy had a gyno flareup and it went away on nolvadex within a few days, wasnt that graig matthew? I think. Jayhawk also had gyno reduction on the one. The other on ralox would probably be me, I posted on it before
tyler4
Active member
Craig Matthew's flareup was not attributed to The One. It was more than likely a rebound issue from the ATD he was on prior. I don't see much opportunity for The One to make gyno any worse. It does not armomatize so chances are slim to none. It is however, a hormonal product so it may aggrevate it a tiny bit but probably wont make it larger.
Make sure you arent aggrevating it yourself because that will make it sore.
Make sure you arent aggrevating it yourself because that will make it sore.
joeymutz
Board Supporter
hey jayhawk, did you get your LH, FSH, total T and free T tested?
joeymutz
Board Supporter
I hear ya. I usually plan my Dr. appointment around 4 weeks after using anyhting anabolic to see where my levels are at. I'm actually going in a week and will get blood tests taken. I just recently came off tbol and I'm currently using DTHC and T-911. So it will be interesting to see where my levels are at after only 2 weeks of PCT. I'll post those results in the DTHC VS T-911 Thread.
mweaver84
New member
definitely happened started getting worse the day after I used it for the first time... guess slim to none has happened!! out to buy a lottery ticket! be back in lil bit!!
OzzY SluGGa
Banned
Does sound like you are prone a bit Bro, You seem to be the exception not the rule. Sorry to hear bout it though, That sux ass! hope it clears mate.
mweaver84
New member
Ya I believe I am unfornately, I definitely felt like I was getting good gains too in 6 days I used The One too. But not gonna take the risk of letting the gyno get any worse. Stop use today and just gonna cross my fingers that the ralox works. :frustrate
Rosie Chee
The Female Terminator
Great stuff :thumbsup:
Zero V
Well-known member
So in theory taking milk thistle every night at 9pm per say, would not affect a morning dose of 7 or 8am?
OzzY SluGGa
Banned
Dont risk it Flanders! Dont do anything that might take even a little bit off your gains man. Being a god boy, Im guessing you dont go out and get hammered very often(with the burning in hell and all
) Your Liver would be in top shape man. Seriously I would just worry bout getting the MAX you can out of your 4 weeks brother. Im sure you probably live a healthy lifestyle and dont need to worry bout 4 weeks of "The One" destroying your liver. The Liver is an extrodinary organ that can take years of abuse(Of course thats a dumb thing to do). My whole point is 4 weeks is nothing mate. Dont risk anything that affects your gains. Just throw an extra prayer in for your Liver or something:laugh:Get into it man!:bandit:
ilovefish
New member
Thats basically what ive been doing ive gained 24 pounds thus far so id say it hasn't affected anything.
EasyEJL
Never enough
no telling for sure without doing real studies.
ilovefish
New member
So ive got one week left 6 days actually gonna finish up my bottle at 4 caps for the last week. Ive run it at 3 caps for 4 weeks and so far as of today im up 234 to 258 so 24 pounds looking to hit 30 by the end.
I'm very impressed needless to say mostly with my body fat levels i can say without a doubt i havent put on any fat whatsoever im gonna be very depressed when i take my last pill LOL
Oh on a sides note joints dry, my knees are talking to me and my right shoulder could be the one drying them out or maybe just the fact im pushing so much more weight probably a little of both.
I'm very impressed needless to say mostly with my body fat levels i can say without a doubt i havent put on any fat whatsoever im gonna be very depressed when i take my last pill LOL
Oh on a sides note joints dry, my knees are talking to me and my right shoulder could be the one drying them out or maybe just the fact im pushing so much more weight probably a little of both.