HIT4ME
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This is where I was the second day of this log. So in about 3 weeks I've lost 10 pounds, 1.5" on my waist, and 3% bodyfat.
Fat loss insan1ty with Sup3r-11 and Ignit3
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This is where I was the second day of this log. So in about 3 weeks I've lost 10 pounds, 1.5" on my waist, and 3% bodyfat.
HIT4ME
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I didn't have time to workout last night, so I will tonight, but my food intake for the day yesterday was 3 scoops of whey protein, 1 cheese stick, 2 oz. of chicken, 4 oz. of tilapia, and a bag of broccoli. Total of about 820 calories, about 150 grams of protein.
Today's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 196 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist : 42.25"
At least it's going in the right direction...
Today's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 196 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist : 42.25"
At least it's going in the right direction...
HIT4ME
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Oh, I also just got some L-Carnitine L-Tartrate to add into the mix. I've been randomly taking ALCAR, but now I will be mixing them and a little more consistent. I figure it can't hurt, since I'm probably in need of mobilizing a good amount of fat, I could be exhausting my Carnitine supplies.
hairygrandpa
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Hm, 10 lbs in 3 weeks sounds like a "normal" loss with such a diet. Do you think the expensive supplementation is doing something?
HIT4ME
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Well, I'm not sure yet. Honestly, I would have thought the T3 alone would have caused more rapid fat loss. I've seen people say that your diet doesn't have to be dead on with T3 and you still lose weight. So, with the T3 added in and doing a pretty extreme diet, I would have at least expected a little more. This is why I think my T3 is junk. I don't want to encourage this and it's probably stupid, but the stuff I got said 200 mcg/ml. I have been playing with doses a little (a lot) and was taking 0.25 ml twice per day for a while (100 mcg in 2-50 mcg doses). I didn't feel much. Then yesterday, I took 0.5 ml twice/day (200 mcg!!!!) and I started to notice some heat and my heart pumping harder, but I wouldn't say palpitations. It was more like high BP.
On the other hand, I feel like the T3 has had an effect on my mood, energy levels, etc. considering such a diet. And last night I was wide awake until 12 AM and I'm normally sleeping by 11. But I had no trouble falling asleep once I tried.
Today I dropped back to 0.3 ml this morning and I will do it again today - that should technically be 120 mcg of T3. I think this is right where I am starting to feel things at this dose. The other thing I've noted is that I am MUCH more sensitive to stimulants. I haven't been taking any stimulants beyond coffee for a little while now and I'm normally able to take large amounts of caffeine and not even notice it. Now, my morning coffee and a monster drink in the afternoon has a noticeable effect.
As far as the Sup3r-11. It's hard to say what it is doing, but I feel like I haven't lost any real amount of strength. My strength decreases have been small enough that I feel like just being depleted of glycogen would cause these decreases. Given the extreme diet and T3 mix, I have to believe there is something to that.
And then there is the fact that progress can be hard to measure. The scale is one tool and doesn't tell the entire story. My photos don't show any dramatic difference in the first two weeks of this log, but I feel like I can see differences in the mirror. Maybe my next round of photos will show more differences. My pants are loose, I tightened up my belt, my shirts fit better. My stomach "feels" smaller to me - and that is normally the last thing to go. I think I'm seeing my chest lean out.
Finally, there is the fact that it can be hard to see progress in even a month timeframe. I started this diet on May 10th, and now on June 8th I am 16 pounds lighter. That's about 0.5 pounds per day, which is what I'd expect while on a PSMF to begin with....but other factors to consider:
1. For the past 2 weeks, the weight loss has been appearing to have "stalled". I personally feel this will pass and I just have to keep pushing through and suddenly it will start happening again. I hypothesize that maybe I am lacking enough carnitine to mobilize the fat. I've also noticed that the weight has started to come off more reliably since I started the psyllium husks again - it is possible that I just wasn't eliminating the waste effectively.
2. Again, the situation you are looking at in this log usually is associated with "muscle wasting". As in, dramatic muscle loss. If the Sup3r-11 keeps that in check, which something appears to be, that's a huge plus, even if it isn't speeding up weight loss.
HIT4ME
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Had a decent shoulders and tri's workout last night, but left my log behind and I will post the numbers later today after I grab it.
Morning weigh in:
Bodyweight: 194.5
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 42"
Some sudden progress. Let's see if this continues for a little while....That puts me at about 18 pounds in 31 days.
Morning weigh in:
Bodyweight: 194.5
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 42"
Some sudden progress. Let's see if this continues for a little while....That puts me at about 18 pounds in 31 days.
CJNator
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That's ****ing awesome! Good **** man!
Hastur
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Excellent progress, brother! I haven't been able to post as actively as I'd like, but I'm been lurking and following your log none-the-less! Keep up the good work!
HIT4ME
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Thanks for the support guys! It's good to see progress. It seems that even eating so little and taking T3 and using Sup3r-11, weight loss is slower than I'd like, but I'm happy with 18 pounds. I'm happy for the sudden progress too, but I have to remember it wasn't done in one day, it was done over time. I'm sure I will feel like the weight has stopped coming off again very soon, but it's mostly mental.
Sorry I haven't gotten over to grab my log so I can post Wed's workout, but I hope to do that today.
Today's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 194 (kept wanting to go to 193.5, but wouldn't stay there)
Tanita Bodyfat %: 29%
Waist: 42"
HIT4ME
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Sorry for the delayed update guys. I actually typed out this entire thing and then my computer crashed before I could submit it. Go figure.
My diet has been in check with the exception of a cheat meal on Friday night - A bacon cheeseburger on a pretzel bun, fries and a handful of chocolate peanutbutter pretzels. Despite my sticking to the diet beyond this one meal, I gained 2 pounds after the meal and still have that weight today.
First, the workouts I've not posted:
Wednesday, Shoulders & Triceps:
Military Presses:
1 set X 8 Reps X 75 pounds (Warm up)
1 Drop Set:
3 reps X 135
1 X 120
1 X 110
2 X 95
Dumbbell Side Laterals:
1 X 8 X 17.5 (each dumbbell)
Rope Face Pulls:
1 X 12 X 35
Triceps Press Downs:
1 X 8 X 15 (Warm up)
1 Drop Set:
5 X 45
2 X 35
3 X 25
4 X 20
All non-warm up sets were carried to failure.
Friday, Chest & Biceps:
Dumbbell Flyes:
1 X 8 X 47.5 (each dumbbell) (warm up)
1 X 10 X 62.5 (+2 reps)
Barbell Bench Presses:
1 Drop Set
2 X 200 (same, second rep did feel easier though)
1 X 185 (Almost had a second, but failed)
1 + 1 forced rep X 165 (fewer reps than last workout, but probably because I pushed on the 185)
2 X 145
Dips:
1 X 5 X B.W.
Barbell Curls:
1 X 8 X 45 (warm up)
1 X 6 + 2 cheat reps X 80 (+5 pounds, -2 reps, cheat reps done by swinging the weight)
Cable Curls:
1 Drop Set
7 X 35 (+5 pounds, -3 reps)
3 X 30
2 X 25
4 X 20
Each of these weights is 5 pounds heavier than last week.
Yesterday's Weigh In:
Bodyweight: 196
Tanita Bodyfat %: 29%
Waist: 42"
Today's Weigh In.
Bodyweight: 196 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 42''
Chest 43" (-0.5")
Legs: 25.5" (-1.0")
Biceps: 15.25" (-0.5")
Bodyfat Caliper Measurements:
Chest: 8 mm (Same)
Waist: 26 mm (-3)
Thigh: 15 mm (-3)
My diet has been in check with the exception of a cheat meal on Friday night - A bacon cheeseburger on a pretzel bun, fries and a handful of chocolate peanutbutter pretzels. Despite my sticking to the diet beyond this one meal, I gained 2 pounds after the meal and still have that weight today.
First, the workouts I've not posted:
Wednesday, Shoulders & Triceps:
Military Presses:
1 set X 8 Reps X 75 pounds (Warm up)
1 Drop Set:
3 reps X 135
1 X 120
1 X 110
2 X 95
Dumbbell Side Laterals:
1 X 8 X 17.5 (each dumbbell)
Rope Face Pulls:
1 X 12 X 35
Triceps Press Downs:
1 X 8 X 15 (Warm up)
1 Drop Set:
5 X 45
2 X 35
3 X 25
4 X 20
All non-warm up sets were carried to failure.
Friday, Chest & Biceps:
Dumbbell Flyes:
1 X 8 X 47.5 (each dumbbell) (warm up)
1 X 10 X 62.5 (+2 reps)
Barbell Bench Presses:
1 Drop Set
2 X 200 (same, second rep did feel easier though)
1 X 185 (Almost had a second, but failed)
1 + 1 forced rep X 165 (fewer reps than last workout, but probably because I pushed on the 185)
2 X 145
Dips:
1 X 5 X B.W.
Barbell Curls:
1 X 8 X 45 (warm up)
1 X 6 + 2 cheat reps X 80 (+5 pounds, -2 reps, cheat reps done by swinging the weight)
Cable Curls:
1 Drop Set
7 X 35 (+5 pounds, -3 reps)
3 X 30
2 X 25
4 X 20
Each of these weights is 5 pounds heavier than last week.
Yesterday's Weigh In:
Bodyweight: 196
Tanita Bodyfat %: 29%
Waist: 42"
Today's Weigh In.
Bodyweight: 196 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 42''
Chest 43" (-0.5")
Legs: 25.5" (-1.0")
Biceps: 15.25" (-0.5")
Bodyfat Caliper Measurements:
Chest: 8 mm (Same)
Waist: 26 mm (-3)
Thigh: 15 mm (-3)
HIT4ME
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Thank you!
I everyone following. It helps keep me accountable. Weight has been a huge struggle me all of my life, and I keep getting closer and closer to where I want to be, but it is a Looong road for me.
hairygrandpa
Legend
Good work! Visible difference, I bet you have to buy new clothing.
HIT4ME
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Thanks guys. I really do appreciate the support. It seems like I should be so much further along...but I will just keep working. 7 more weeks left on the Sup3r-11. If I can lose another 20-30 pounds, I will be close to the goal.
Last few days I have been extremely tired. I could sleep all day. I was thinking it was T3 side effect, but then my gfs started complaining because she didn't feel good and ironically all of her symptoms mirrored mine. I asked if she was sneaking my T3...and she pointed out her pollen allergies. I wonder if in my old age, I am becoming allergic to pollen. It has been bad here lately.
Last few days I have been extremely tired. I could sleep all day. I was thinking it was T3 side effect, but then my gfs started complaining because she didn't feel good and ironically all of her symptoms mirrored mine. I asked if she was sneaking my T3...and she pointed out her pollen allergies. I wonder if in my old age, I am becoming allergic to pollen. It has been bad here lately.
HIT4ME
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So, today wasn't very eventful, but it was very harsh. I've been battling fatigue, lack of motivation, sleepiness and mental confusion for a while but today was much worse. Mid-afternoon I just crash. Today was bad and I decided to take an alpha-burn and some caffeine to wake up a couple hours before my workout. I was much more awake and when I went to work out, I was sweating A LOT. I did my warm up set of deadliest, loaded the bar with weight and went to do my first rep and called it. I had no energy. I will try again tomorrow.
I am thinking this speaks to the Sup3r-11 actually reducing cortisol. Combined with the T3 I probably have very low cortisol levels, which explains the energy levels.
I am thinking this speaks to the Sup3r-11 actually reducing cortisol. Combined with the T3 I probably have very low cortisol levels, which explains the energy levels.
NewAgeMayan
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waist is getting tighter. You still want that extra bottle of 11kt?
HIT4ME
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If you are offering, I am taking, haha. I have about 7 more weeks left and will double dose the last 4. I will probably drop the T3 next week or in 3 weeks.
I was hoping to have a more dramatic change, just to impress everyone, and I thin over 12 weeks it will be quite the change, but it just goes to show how slow it actually comes off!
HIT4ME
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Yeah, it isn't too too bad, but today was horrible. Mentally I feel it more...foggy brain.
CJNator
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I had that at a strong calories deficit, I'd had absolutely ****ty short term memory and had to go back to maintenance.
HIT4ME
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Yeah, luckily everyone thinks I'm weird and stupid normally, so they don't notice much
Today's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 190
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28% (still...but this scale isn't too accurate, so I can really only use it for direction)
Waist: 41.75
I had a really hard time getting to sleep last night. It is weird because normally when I can't fall asleep, I start thinking of all kinds of things and running them over and over in my head until my thoughts work me up and it snowballs. Last night I was able to clear my head and I didn't have any of that, but I was just laying there not falling asleep for over 2 hours.
The T3 definitely makes me more sensitive to the stimulants, and I think the Alpha-Burn was really ramped up. I'm ALWAYS sensitive to Y, but I've taken Ignit3, Combustion and Alphaburn together and had NO issues. While on the T3, just the alphaburn alone has a huge impact.
I was taking about 120 mcg of T3, which I wouldn't normally do but I was convinced my chems were degraded and not potent anymore. Now I'm not so sure. I'm going to cut the dose from 60 mcg twice a day to 20 mcg 3X per day and see how that works.
It's hard to cut the T3 dose on a day where I lost 3 pounds, mentally, but I don't want to push too hard and be stupid (at least not THAT stupid). Plus, I know the 3 pounds today isn't just the T3 and the last 24 hours. It is the outcome of the entire week, 2 weeks, etc. - it's probably the loss of the water that filled fat cells as the fat was lost over a couple weeks. At least that's Lyle McDonald's explanation
HIT4ME
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Hey guys, sorry for the late-day update. Yesterday was almost as bad as the day before, and my energy was just in the dumps. To be honest, I was just lazy and felt justified in getting myself something to eat out as a cheat meal, so that's what I did. I had some bbq chicken and 3 mozzarella sticks and a piece of peanut butter pie.
Today, I feel better but my motivation is still in the dumps. It seems to be improving though.
This morning's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 192.5 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 41.75"
I don't think the cheat meal really had much of an impact except for maybe some food and water weight. I weighed myself again this afternoon and after eating, etc. and with clothes on that I estimate to weigh 1.5 pounds, I weighed 193 pounds.
I tried working out again last night, got 1 rep with 405 on the deadlift and really had nothing left. I am DRAINED. I may try again tonight with a lighter weight. It's just a rough week, but the weight seems to be moving a little better, so I'll take it.
Today, I feel better but my motivation is still in the dumps. It seems to be improving though.
This morning's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 192.5 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 41.75"
I don't think the cheat meal really had much of an impact except for maybe some food and water weight. I weighed myself again this afternoon and after eating, etc. and with clothes on that I estimate to weigh 1.5 pounds, I weighed 193 pounds.
I tried working out again last night, got 1 rep with 405 on the deadlift and really had nothing left. I am DRAINED. I may try again tonight with a lighter weight. It's just a rough week, but the weight seems to be moving a little better, so I'll take it.
HIT4ME
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Ok, I finally completed my back workout after dropping it two nights in a row. I've had a significant loss of strength since my last workout, but maybe it will bounce back.
Deadlifts:
1 X 8 X 225
1 Drop Set
2 X 385
1 X 365
2 X 335
Pull Ups:
1 X 5 X B.W.
Bent Over Rows
1 X 2 X 175
Under Handed Pull Downs
1 X 6 X 135
Those are all pretty significant drops from the last workout. We will see what the trend is over time, maybe it's just an energy issue, maybe I'm losing significant muscle.
Deadlifts:
1 X 8 X 225
1 Drop Set
2 X 385
1 X 365
2 X 335
Pull Ups:
1 X 5 X B.W.
Bent Over Rows
1 X 2 X 175
Under Handed Pull Downs
1 X 6 X 135
Those are all pretty significant drops from the last workout. We will see what the trend is over time, maybe it's just an energy issue, maybe I'm losing significant muscle.
Hastur
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I just gotta say, I couldn't lift 385lbs in the deficit you're running. That alone deserves major props. I doubt you're losing muscle, brother. It's probably the consistent calorie deficit just hindering strength, it's unavoidable. But! By the time you're at maintenance again for a period of time, you're strength will go through the roof from hammering it so hard in a deficit. So don't think about NOW. Think about LATER. You'll be leaner, stronger, and not giving a damn about one workout that was a little less heavy than the one that came before it. I know, because I've been there!
HIT4ME
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Thanks Hastur! That's exactly it, I can't focus on one day, or even one week. It's like the photos above - the 2 week difference wasn't even noticeable, the 4 week difference I think you can tell SOME change, and I expect the 6-8 week differences will be pretty dramatic. I mean, I've lost around 20 pounds in a little over a month, if I do that again I'll be down to about 170-173. If I do that one more time after that, I won't have much fat left at all. As long as I can keep the loss to a minimum, it will come right back.
Plus, like you said, I've been really tired this week, and fatigue could be the biggest factor.
Today's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 193
Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 41.75 (The tape was really lose and it may actually be 41.5, but I try to go with the worst measurement and I'm not ready to say 41.5 yet)
My diet yesterday was 1 package of beef jerky (140 calories, 25 grams protein), 1 muscle milk (160 cals, 25 grams protein), 2 scoops of Isomorph (260 calories, 56 grams of protein), 6 oz. of beef (255 calories, 35 grams of protein, 16 grams fat -splurged), 1 cheese stick (50 calories, 7 grams protein), and a bag of broccoli (120 calories). That puts me right at about 1000 calories and about 150 grams of protein. Not the strictest day I've had, but the 0.5 pound increase has to be just water fluctuations as always.
Hastur
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Steady progress, that's what matters, man! You're doing great! The self control is amazing to eat so little!
HIT4ME
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It's really no self control at all, once you've made up your mind that you're just not eating and commit to it, it just kind of does it on its own. It's easy to keep calories low when you're not eating. Like yesterday though, just trying to eat at all and get enough protein and suddenly you're overshooting your normal intake. 1000 calories isn't a bad thing, but I wasn't shooting for it - I was shooting for 800. Plus, I really wonder if the 11-KT has some appetite suppression properties. I'm really hardly hungry at all.
Hastur
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It's possible 11-KT is suppressing appetite a bit, honestly. I think Trest is upping mine, I was eyeballing a lot of food the other day. Just staying at maintenance without heavy stim use is tough, appetite is strong without suppressants. On Keto, I found it wayyyyy easier to stay on point. It killed my appetite real quick. But man, was I weak. I mean, muscles were flat, I was lethargic, and the strength was just gone. But this was before I hopped on anabolics. Natty Keto killed me.
HIT4ME
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I hear you on the lethargy and weakness!
The thing with me, like I think I've said, is that if I start eating, I can just go and go and go and go and go. It's like a bottomless pit. I NEVER get so full I can't eat anymore, or almost never. I will eat a huge meal, a desert, whatever my gf couldn't finish of her desert, then go back looking for more 15 minutes later. I can be a real pig.
On the other hand, even when I'm not dieting, it's easy for me to go all day without eating and then just have a ton of food at night. Last week when I was having my cheat meal my gf wanted Olive Garden, and I said sure. Then I went online to look at their menu/nutrition facts.
The meals alone are 1200-1500 calories. Then the bread sticks. Then the soup or salad. And then the desert (it's a cheat meal after all). I looked, told her that I couldn't eat 2500-3000 calories in a cheat meal, and we went for a burger - which may not have been all that much better but at least I didn't know for certain!
Hastur
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This is a huge pet peeve of mine! People don't know what they're consuming! You would think with the obesity epidemic we'd enforce nutritional facts on menus and try to scale back the calories in meals. I know for a fact that I would not have been obese had I been more aware in my youth, sure I have a healthy appetite, but we live in a era where the food has never been more dense with calories! People want me to go eat with them, if I don't know what I'm consuming I don't do it. You think it's a small portion, and its somehow 1.5x your daily calorie requirements, totally screwing up your diet. Sorry for my ranting, but it's a shame! You did the right thing not going to Olive Garden.
HIT4ME
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I ain't gonna lie. I love to eat junk food like that. Olive Garden, Chili's, Wendy's, Five Guys, KFC, local burger joints, whatever. I love it. But yeah, the calories are amazing. After my first round of PSMF last year, when I came off and kind of went back to my normal habits, I would eat out more often and I started to realize that I could not eat ANYTHING all day and then go out to eat for dinner at night and I'd weigh more the next day. Seeing the meals can be 2500+ calories or more (especially if you're not watching) explains this and most people don't realize.
There is a good book called "Change Anything" that talks about the science of changing things in your life. He pretty much shows that there is no such thing as will power - we are more influenced by our environment than we ever realize. Trying to change habits without changing your environment is near impossible. Unfortunately, we live in a world with easy access to calorie dense foods.
The thing is, paying the prices at Olive Garden, I'd be pissed if the meal was smaller. But we're trained to eat those portions too, I've had times where I've eaten a tour of Italy and would have kept eating if it was in front of me. It is actually kind of disgusting.
There is a good book called "Change Anything" that talks about the science of changing things in your life. He pretty much shows that there is no such thing as will power - we are more influenced by our environment than we ever realize. Trying to change habits without changing your environment is near impossible. Unfortunately, we live in a world with easy access to calorie dense foods.
The thing is, paying the prices at Olive Garden, I'd be pissed if the meal was smaller. But we're trained to eat those portions too, I've had times where I've eaten a tour of Italy and would have kept eating if it was in front of me. It is actually kind of disgusting.
raul87
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I've been there man don't punk out push through it once you get the blood flowing you're good to go
HIT4ME
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Yeah, I really appreciate that. I tried to push through the first set, but I just had no energy. This week, I am having trouble staying awake. I just had a cheat 2 nights ago, but I'm gonna do another. I was standing for a little while and my legs started shaking because I don't have energy. I'm gonna try to keep the cheat somewhat light.. maybe half a burger or something ..I just have to eat something more than normal.
HIT4ME
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Ok, so last night I had a cheese burger that I ate 3/4 of, fries that I ate half of, and about 5 onion rings. Still, it was a setback, but I have been so wiped out and I feel much better this morning. This week has been kind of a bust, but that can be turned around and I intend to get right back on track.
Today's Weigh In:
Bodyweight: 194
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 41.75"
I have been sleeping like a rock too. I can get 8-9 hours of sleep and still have to force myself to get up. My motivation during the day is definitely in the dumps. The sleep I attribute to the combination of T3 and Sup3r-11. I think the T3 I got is degraded/weak/underdosed, whatever you wanna call it, but at high doses it does have an effect and I think coupled with the Sup3r-11, my cortisol is probably very, very low. The motivation is probably due to the low energy from the T3/Diet.
Unfortunately, I have caffeine and Alphaburn on hand for stimulants. I've always been sensitive to yohimbine but Alphaburn always worked great, and before this run I could take Ignit3, Combustion and an Alphaburn and feel great. Now, I think the T3 has made me very sensitive to stimulants and just the alphaburn alone makes me feel like crap. I even tried opening a cap and taking half of it, which was better, but inconvenient.
The good news is, I actually get a lift from coffee and monster drinks now...which is rare. The first time it happened I had 2 monster drinks one afternoon while I was helping a buddy do some work putting down a floor, and an hour or so later I was wired - I didn't know why, then I realized the Monster drinks actually did something (which has NEVER been the case for me).
Today's Weigh In:
Bodyweight: 194
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 41.75"
I have been sleeping like a rock too. I can get 8-9 hours of sleep and still have to force myself to get up. My motivation during the day is definitely in the dumps. The sleep I attribute to the combination of T3 and Sup3r-11. I think the T3 I got is degraded/weak/underdosed, whatever you wanna call it, but at high doses it does have an effect and I think coupled with the Sup3r-11, my cortisol is probably very, very low. The motivation is probably due to the low energy from the T3/Diet.
Unfortunately, I have caffeine and Alphaburn on hand for stimulants. I've always been sensitive to yohimbine but Alphaburn always worked great, and before this run I could take Ignit3, Combustion and an Alphaburn and feel great. Now, I think the T3 has made me very sensitive to stimulants and just the alphaburn alone makes me feel like crap. I even tried opening a cap and taking half of it, which was better, but inconvenient.
The good news is, I actually get a lift from coffee and monster drinks now...which is rare. The first time it happened I had 2 monster drinks one afternoon while I was helping a buddy do some work putting down a floor, and an hour or so later I was wired - I didn't know why, then I realized the Monster drinks actually did something (which has NEVER been the case for me).
HIT4ME
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So, not working out today, just trying to reset. I actually feel a ton better today. I've had a bag of Beef Jerky (300 calories) and just under 4 oz. of chicken (160 calories) and I feel pretty good. I actually had one of the most focused days at work that I've had in a long while. I'm feeling my energy come up a little, and I'm just better...hopefully I'm back on track.
I will have more chicken and some broccoli tonight. Should end up around 800 cals for the day.
I will have more chicken and some broccoli tonight. Should end up around 800 cals for the day.
HIT4ME
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Today's morning weigh in:
Bodyweight: 191.5
Tanita Bodyfat %: 27%
Waist: 41.75 - again, this was ALMOST 41.5 but it felt a little too tight at 41.5, so I'm not quite there.
Slept like a rock, didn't want to get up this morning. I've been sleeping pretty well most nights since being on the Sup3r-11. The only downside is I have to force myself to get out of bed.
Bodyweight: 191.5
Tanita Bodyfat %: 27%
Waist: 41.75 - again, this was ALMOST 41.5 but it felt a little too tight at 41.5, so I'm not quite there.
Slept like a rock, didn't want to get up this morning. I've been sleeping pretty well most nights since being on the Sup3r-11. The only downside is I have to force myself to get out of bed.
HIT4ME
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Sorry for not being on here much this weekend and not having a chance to update this since yesterday morning. Unfortunately, with today being father's day, I wound up going out to eat with my parents for lunch. "Out to eat" is never good for a diet and I was going to get some salmon, but in the end, I decided by the time you added it all up it was still going to be bad. I got some chicken pie and white rice and had 1 piece of bread. Beyond that meal, I've been "on" the diet all weekend. All I've had today in addition to that meal was a post-workout protein shake with 1 scoop Isomorph, some psyllium husks, and water. I will have 5 oz. of chicken and a bag of broccoli for dinner in a little bit.
Last night I did my first leg workout since my hip began hurting. I haven't done legs in about 2 weeks and with my low energy - I lost a lot of strength. I was squatting 5X5 in the high 200's about 4 weeks ago. The workout was as follows:
Legs:
Squats:
1 X 7 X 225 warm up (I normally do 8, but this felt heavy)
Drop Set:
1 X 275
1 X 245
That's it. 2 reps. I tried for a second rep at 245 and couldn'g get it up and had to drop it to the rack. Pretty pathetic. But I will work my way back into it.
Leg Extensions:
1 X 6 X 165
Leg Presses:
1 X 12 X 540
Straight Legged Deadlifts:
1 X 3 X 245 (my grip was failing here, which definitely wasn't because of strength, it was because of energy)
Calf Presses:
1 X 8 X 540
Honestly, I was just exhausted, but it was good to get back into the groove of a leg workout. I will do better next week...can't do much worse
Today, my weigh in was:
Bodyweight: 190.5 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 42" - this is up which was weird because I haven't had more than 800 calories or so for 2 days. Maybe just bloat or something
Tonight's workout was chest and bi's - the show muscles.
Incline Dumbbell Flyes:
1 X 8 X 95 warm up
1 X 7 X 67.5 each (+5 pounds each dumbbell, -3 reps)
Bench Press:
Drop Set:
1 X 200 (-1 rep)
1 X 185
2 X 165 (last week was 1 + 1 forced rep)
3 X 145 (+1 rep)
Dips:
1 X 6 X B.W. (+1 rep)
Barbell Curls:
1 X 8 X 45 warm up
1 X 6 +2 cheat reps X 80 (same as last week)
Cable Curls:
Drop Set:
7 X 40 (+5 pounds, = reps)
2 X 35 (+5 pounds, - 1 rep)
2 X 30 (+5 pounds, = reps)
4 X 25 (+5 pounds, = reps)
When I started the workout, I was a little tired, and given my lack of performance I was a little worried I'd see a further decline in strength. I just thought of raul87 and said to myself, "Just get the blood flowing and it will work out".
It's ups and downs, we'll see how much damage the cheat did. After 6 weeks, I'm feeling my energy is sapped more than I've ever experienced on this diet, I hope it passes...but if not, I'll just have to deal with ****ty performance for the next couple weeks. We will see what comes of it.
Last night I did my first leg workout since my hip began hurting. I haven't done legs in about 2 weeks and with my low energy - I lost a lot of strength. I was squatting 5X5 in the high 200's about 4 weeks ago. The workout was as follows:
Legs:
Squats:
1 X 7 X 225 warm up (I normally do 8, but this felt heavy)
Drop Set:
1 X 275
1 X 245
That's it. 2 reps. I tried for a second rep at 245 and couldn'g get it up and had to drop it to the rack. Pretty pathetic. But I will work my way back into it.
Leg Extensions:
1 X 6 X 165
Leg Presses:
1 X 12 X 540
Straight Legged Deadlifts:
1 X 3 X 245 (my grip was failing here, which definitely wasn't because of strength, it was because of energy)
Calf Presses:
1 X 8 X 540
Honestly, I was just exhausted, but it was good to get back into the groove of a leg workout. I will do better next week...can't do much worse
Today, my weigh in was:
Bodyweight: 190.5 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 42" - this is up which was weird because I haven't had more than 800 calories or so for 2 days. Maybe just bloat or something
Tonight's workout was chest and bi's - the show muscles.
Incline Dumbbell Flyes:
1 X 8 X 95 warm up
1 X 7 X 67.5 each (+5 pounds each dumbbell, -3 reps)
Bench Press:
Drop Set:
1 X 200 (-1 rep)
1 X 185
2 X 165 (last week was 1 + 1 forced rep)
3 X 145 (+1 rep)
Dips:
1 X 6 X B.W. (+1 rep)
Barbell Curls:
1 X 8 X 45 warm up
1 X 6 +2 cheat reps X 80 (same as last week)
Cable Curls:
Drop Set:
7 X 40 (+5 pounds, = reps)
2 X 35 (+5 pounds, - 1 rep)
2 X 30 (+5 pounds, = reps)
4 X 25 (+5 pounds, = reps)
When I started the workout, I was a little tired, and given my lack of performance I was a little worried I'd see a further decline in strength. I just thought of raul87 and said to myself, "Just get the blood flowing and it will work out".
It's ups and downs, we'll see how much damage the cheat did. After 6 weeks, I'm feeling my energy is sapped more than I've ever experienced on this diet, I hope it passes...but if not, I'll just have to deal with ****ty performance for the next couple weeks. We will see what comes of it.
Hastur
Well-known member
Sorry for not being on here much this weekend and not having a chance to update this since yesterday morning. Unfortunately, with today being father's day, I wound up going out to eat with my parents for lunch. "Out to eat" is never good for a diet and I was going to get some salmon, but in the end, I decided by the time you added it all up it was still going to be bad. I got some chicken pie and white rice and had 1 piece of bread. Beyond that meal, I've been "on" the diet all weekend. All I've had today in addition to that meal was a post-workout protein shake with 1 scoop Isomorph, some psyllium husks, and water. I will have 5 oz. of chicken and a bag of broccoli for dinner in a little bit.
Last night I did my first leg workout since my hip began hurting. I haven't done legs in about 2 weeks and with my low energy - I lost a lot of strength. I was squatting 5X5 in the high 200's about 4 weeks ago. The workout was as follows:
Legs:
Squats:
1 X 7 X 225 warm up (I normally do 8, but this felt heavy)
Drop Set:
1 X 275
1 X 245
That's it. 2 reps. I tried for a second rep at 245 and couldn'g get it up and had to drop it to the rack. Pretty pathetic. But I will work my way back into it.
Leg Extensions:
1 X 6 X 165
Leg Presses:
1 X 12 X 540
Straight Legged Deadlifts:
1 X 3 X 245 (my grip was failing here, which definitely wasn't because of strength, it was because of energy)
Calf Presses:
1 X 8 X 540
Honestly, I was just exhausted, but it was good to get back into the groove of a leg workout. I will do better next week...can't do much worse
Today, my weigh in was:
Bodyweight: 190.5 pounds
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 42" - this is up which was weird because I haven't had more than 800 calories or so for 2 days. Maybe just bloat or something
Tonight's workout was chest and bi's - the show muscles.
Incline Dumbbell Flyes:
1 X 8 X 95 warm up
1 X 7 X 67.5 each (+5 pounds each dumbbell, -3 reps)
Bench Press:
Drop Set:
1 X 200 (-1 rep)
1 X 185
2 X 165 (last week was 1 + 1 forced rep)
3 X 145 (+1 rep)
Dips:
1 X 6 X B.W. (+1 rep)
Barbell Curls:
1 X 8 X 45 warm up
1 X 6 +2 cheat reps X 80 (same as last week)
Cable Curls:
Drop Set:
7 X 40 (+5 pounds, = reps)
2 X 35 (+5 pounds, - 1 rep)
2 X 30 (+5 pounds, = reps)
4 X 25 (+5 pounds, = reps)
When I started the workout, I was a little tired, and given my lack of performance I was a little worried I'd see a further decline in strength. I just thought of raul87 and said to myself, "Just get the blood flowing and it will work out".
It's ups and downs, we'll see how much damage the cheat did. After 6 weeks, I'm feeling my energy is sapped more than I've ever experienced on this diet, I hope it passes...but if not, I'll just have to deal with ****ty performance for the next couple weeks. We will see what comes of it.
Not pathetic at all. Look at your calories, look at your cycle, you can't maintain or set records forever while trying to drop body fat. Dude, I'm eating at maintenance and on stronger anabolics than you and my quads seized up at 225lbs and I had to fall forward to rack it! Was I thrilled about it? No. But these things happen! And I know for a fact in PCT just 10 days from now I'm going to be dropping weight on lifts. That's the ebb and flow of lifting, my friend. Caloric surplus, maintenance, and deficit. Cutting cycles and bulking cycles. Strength goes up, strength goes down. So don't go thinking your performance is pathetic, your worst day lifting is someone else's personal best. It's all a matter of perspective.
Remember, the goal here is to drop body fat, not make linear progression while in a deficit. Remember this when I'm complaining in a couple weeks that I can't Deadlift 505lbs in a 500 calorie deficit.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Thanks guys. I know...honestly last time around I was on this diet for four months and barely saw any decrease. I wasn't gaining, but nothing like this. But...I was at a higher BF% too.
Thanks for the support guys
Today's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 191.5
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 41.5"
Thanks for the support guys
Today's weigh in:
Bodyweight: 191.5
Tanita Bodyfat %: 28%
Waist: 41.5"
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Not pathetic at all. Look at your calories, look at your cycle, you can't maintain or set records forever while trying to drop body fat. Dude, I'm eating at maintenance and on stronger anabolics than you and my quads seized up at 225lbs and I had to fall forward to rack it! Was I thrilled about it? No. But these things happen! And I know for a fact in PCT just 10 days from now I'm going to be dropping weight on lifts. That's the ebb and flow of lifting, my friend. Caloric surplus, maintenance, and deficit. Cutting cycles and bulking cycles. Strength goes up, strength goes down. So don't go thinking your performance is pathetic, your worst day lifting is someone else's personal best. It's all a matter of perspective.
Remember, the goal here is to drop body fat, not make linear progression while in a deficit. Remember this when I'm complaining in a couple weeks that I can't Deadlift 505lbs in a 500 calorie deficit.
Thanks man. I hear this. I do want to be honest about the struggle - because I know someone else will try to lose weight someday and maybe they will find this log and see that even with more extreme measures, it has its ups and downs and just sticking to it is 90% of the battle.
I've just never been hit with strength loss like that. I don't know if it's muscle loss, although I'm sure some of it is, but it could be more due to the energy deficit. I mean, on the days I couldn't do workouts, it wasn't because I was weak even, just I couldn't lift anything. Warm up sets felt heavy.
I'd say it's the T3, but I'm pretty certain the T3 I got at this point is junk. That's the risk with RC's. I mean, the label says 200 mcg/ml and I'm taking 0.6 ml/day (120 mcg) and my body temp isn't even getting above 98 degrees. I was attributing some of my side effects to the T3, but I honestly think it's a combination of the deficit and the Sup3r-11 giving the sides. By sides, I'm mainly talking about low energy and motivation, and being sleepy/foggy, and also sleeping really well, deeply and LONG. I have been sleeping 8-9 hours a night and still have to drag myself out of bed. I honestly think it's all the Sup3r-11. I even dosed the T3 at 1 ML one day and noticed hardly anything.
I was thinking about this. And honestly, some people are just set up differently. I don't know what your metabolism is like normally - but I just seem kind of "geared" toward this type of extreme deficit. Beyond what I'm seeing now, typically it isn't that difficult for me. Other people, like you said, drop 500 calories and it will be brutal on them.
It's funny because, yesterday after lunch with my parents - about 2 hours later I was hungry and looking for food. It's kind of like the hunger most people get 2 hours after they eat Chinese food I'd say. I don't know why it happens, but it's definitely real in my case. It's like feast or famine. I can't eat just a little bit of junk, once I start I just keep going and searching for more. But if I don't eat, I don't get physically hungry. Honestly, I've really not even had crazy hunger pains in my stomach at all since starting this diet. Like I said, on or off, but no in between with me.
Last year, I got down to 178 and still had a way to go, but I was wearing some 34" waist work pants. Obviously over 205 they were so tight that I had to admit they no longer fit and I moved up a size to an older pair of pants. When I started this, those pants fit. Then they go loose. Last week I put on the 34" pants and they fit again. This week, they're starting to get just a little bit loose and fit well - so that's a good sign.
It's also funny how some days I don't lose weight or bodyfat %, but my waist will go down, and then other days I'll lose weight but my waist will go up. Everything is so non-linear.
NoAddedHmones
Well-known member
Im not sure if it has been asked in this thread yet, but why are you doing this extreme diet vs a regular small deficit? Think of dieting like a pendulum, the bigger the swing one way, the bigger the swing the other (rebound from diet).
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Good question, and there are numerous reasons.
The biggest reason is like I said above - I'm an all or nothing guy. I like to go hard, brief and go home. And when I'm not going hard, I'm laying on the couch. There's no in between. It's a bit of a mental flaw for me. I won't run a marathon, I'd prefer to do sprints. I can't diet and lose 1-2 pound a week, I'd lose my mind.
Second, I have a significant amount of weight to lose and coupled with the point above, losing 1-2 pounds/week would just take me forever.
Three, I think there is a lot of myth and false belief around dieting. Metabolic slow down, rebound, etc. all seems plausible, but I think it's over played. Part of me is testing this.
I did this same diet last year for 4 months. I went from 250 to about 185, gained about 7 pounds, did it again for about 4 weeks and got down to 178 and then went off. And yes, I gained a bunch of weight back in the interim. But I was also eating out a lot of nights, returning to my old habits, and just consuming a lot of food. It's simple calories in/out and I was being a glutton.
I may be, probably am, wrong about a lot of things, but maybe I can create some questions about the standard beliefs we have about dieting - especially since I believe the laws of thermodynamics are more tested.
NoAddedHmones
Well-known member
This is what im eluding to, im glad you accept it. Maybe instead of being an all or nothing guy, try to change something for the long term. Realistically that is the only way results are going to remain long term. Just reflect on this log, its been all negative from your perspective for how long now? If you were doing it slower I guarantee every aspect which is making you miserable at the moment will be much much much better. You can't blame 11-kt for making you lethargic in the morning whilst obviously ignoring the HUGEEEEE elephant in the room.
Anyways my 50 bucks. Take out of it what you will.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
I hear ya. I'm not exactly miserable, it's actually easier than you would think, but this past week has been brutally tired.
And yes, I blame the diet for the lethargy, BUT if Sup3r-11 is doing its job then lower Cort levels will make it hard to wake up, make you sleepy, etc. And I am definitely experiencing that too.
If anything, the S11 has been helping me sleep REALLY well. Which is good.
I'm sorry if I was coming off negatively. Maybe I didn't realize.
HIT4ME
Well-known member
Oh, and YES, I agree on the long term habits. But, this is just a goal I have, to get to 10%, and I'm gonna do it. This is definitely not a long term diet, but it has taught me A LOT about long term dieting. For instance, how easy it is to plan on a macro goal and then just go way beyond.
And the experience of gaining the weight back showed me that I can't get away with eating out 4+ nights a week...and made me realize that some of those meals have over 3000 calories.
But the gaining back of the weight wasn't a rebound effect of my body. It was a rebound effect of my habits. Even if I lost it slowly, eventually the bad habits I have would overcome and I could gain it all back just the same.
And the experience of gaining the weight back showed me that I can't get away with eating out 4+ nights a week...and made me realize that some of those meals have over 3000 calories.
But the gaining back of the weight wasn't a rebound effect of my body. It was a rebound effect of my habits. Even if I lost it slowly, eventually the bad habits I have would overcome and I could gain it all back just the same.