EvoMuse Presents: KetoInduce

1Fast400 said:
No idea on isolate. Most of our keto people don't need supplemental protein, we're trying to get them to lower it 99% of the time. To be honest, I haven't drank a protein shake in years, I like food. If/when I do, I'd prefer a low grade concentrate to keep the protein as intact as possible and just account for the fat/carbs and make adjustments elsewhere.
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I hear that! I'm only 170lbs max (155 when fully cut) and I take in 240-275g protein a day. I often find I have to cut protein to meet my total daily intake on full keto diet.

I'm currently carb cycling though and leaning out as though I'm on full keto (due to the keto induce) I'm getting away with 75-100g carbs daily on training days and still cutting as tho I'm taking in less than 25g... Starchy carbs too like white rice and the like. Would love to be able to keep eating sushi rolls and quest bars throughout the summer!

I'm actually down 4 pounds since starting KI last week without trying to drop weight
 
chedapalooza said:
I hear that! I'm only 170lbs max (155 when fully cut) and I take in 240-275g protein a day. I often find I have to cut protein to meet my total daily intake on full keto diet.

I'm currently carb cycling though and leaning out as though I'm on full keto (due to the keto induce) I'm getting away with 75-100g carbs daily on training days and still cutting as tho I'm taking in less than 25g... Starchy carbs too like white rice and the like. Would love to be able to keep eating sushi rolls and quest bars throughout the summer!

I'm actually down 4 pounds since starting KI last week without trying to drop weight
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You ever blood test? If so do you ever get above .3 mmol for ketones, without the use of KI? I ask because I would go keto for more than a week and the highest ketone measurement I can get is .3. Maybe it's cause 175 grams of protein is causing gluconeogenesis? What say you?
 
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Should definitely help lean me out this cut. Thanks dsade for coming through with the free MCT!
 
If anyone wants a good isolate, Muscle Research has a solid one (vanilla and chocolate). I've been using them the past 5 months or so.
 
thebody47 said:
How's the taste? I use bpi whey hd. 6 gram carbs for 2 servings, 50 grams protein
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Vanilla is very subtle and I've grown to really like it. The chocolate is also subtle, but to me it tastes dead on to like a Swiss Miss hot chocolate flavor -- where it's good and theres a sweetness, but not like from an abundance of sugar (if that makes any sense).
 
thebody47 said:
You ever blood test? If so do you ever get above .3 mmol for ketones, without the use of KI? I ask because I would go keto for more than a week and the highest ketone measurement I can get is .3. Maybe it's cause 175 grams of protein is causing gluconeogenesis? What say you?
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No I don't
 
The only 'complaint' I'm having w KI is that it has made me flat the last two days despite cycling carbs. Guess I need to carb up and hone in on water and salt intake

The biggest plus I'm seeing is that my upper body is filling out/maintaining size while my waist (mid belly and lower back) is leaning out. I don't have much in the way of love handles anymore luckily.
 
chedapalooza said:
The only 'complaint' I'm having w KI is that it has made me flat the last two days despite cycling carbs. Guess I need to carb up and hone in on water and salt intake

The biggest plus I'm seeing is that my upper body is filling out/maintaining size while my waist (mid belly and lower back) is leaning out. I don't have much in the way of love handles anymore luckily.
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I'm on full CKD with KI and I'm not seeing the flatness you speak of. Maybe it's the creatine? I haven't been losing weight too which is quite odd. I drop weight quickly on keto but not this time around. Could be testeuction. Who knows.
 
1) Could KI be used as part of a rapid fat loss protocol which essentially has some fat, no carbs, and lots of protein? Along with a large caloric deficit, for short periods of time.

2) Given this context, would using KI every 12 hours be beneficial? From what I'm reading, it would appear that a single dose of KI per instructions would be sufficient.

3) Technically speaking, if I don't intend to eat carbs after waking (and using KI the night before), there's no need to continue usage of KI?

Appreciate your thoughts on this!
 
donkhead333 said:
1) Could KI be used as part of a rapid fat loss protocol which essentially has some fat, no carbs, and lots of protein? Along with a large caloric deficit, for short periods of time.

2) Given this context, would using KI every 12 hours be beneficial? From what I'm reading, it would appear that a single dose of KI per instructions would be sufficient.

3) Technically speaking, if I don't intend to eat carbs after waking (and using KI the night before), there's no need to continue usage of KI?

Appreciate your thoughts on this!
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Yes on 1 and 2, and for 3 I recommend KetoCaNa and MCT.
 
Four_Stroke said:
dsade why would you recommend ketocana over ki? Just curious
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It's not one over the other. Ki is mainly for ketosis while you sleep but for people who are still consuming carbs throughout the day; Reap the benefits of ketosis for 8 or so hours but still enjoy the carbs during the day. Ketocana is for someone who is on a Keto diet throughout the day and provides a variety of benefits including extra energy for the carb depleted and rapid transition into ketosis. The blend of calcium sodium BHB as opposed to just Na-BHB in KI may offer different benefits?

Edit-I might have interpreted your post wrong and you may fully be aware of the different purposes between the two products but wanted the science and reasoning behind the recommendations. I'll leave the original post incase.
 
Afi140 said:
It's not one over the other. Ki is mainly for ketosis while you sleep but for people who are still consuming carbs throughout the day; Reap the benefits of ketosis for 8 or so hours but still enjoy the carbs during the day. Ketocana is for someone who is on a Keto diet throughout the day and provides a variety of benefits including extra energy for the carb depleted and rapid transition into ketosis. The blend of calcium sodium BHB as opposed to just Na-BHB in KI may offer different benefits?

Edit-I might have interpreted your post wrong and you may fully be aware of the different purposes between the two products but wanted the science and reasoning behind the recommendations. I'll leave the original post incase.
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Thanks for the response. The reason I asked was because I have both products and when I dose KetoCaNa before a workout, after the workout I have to run to the bathroom. With KI, yes you get a few more ingredients but I don't have that issue of running to the bathroom. I don't think the extra ingredients in KI will harm anything taken pre-wo.
 
I toon one serving of KI during the day when I first got it and it was great.. I don't see why you couldn't dose pre workout (if still in ketosis) and again at bed other than budget issues. But I'll let Matt address any issues with potentially doing that.
 
My question for Matt is : is it ok to consume this after a night of drinking? I normally only drink tequila rocks anyway. But for the sake of the general public, can we use this at bed after a night of consuming typical alcoholic beverages beer, wine, mixed drinks, etc?
 
chedapalooza said:
My question for Matt is : is it ok to consume this after a night of drinking? I normally only drink tequila rocks anyway. But for the sake of the general public, can we use this at bed after a night of consuming typical alcoholic beverages beer, wine, mixed drinks, etc?
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Honest answer is I don't know. I'm going to experiment with that tonight.
 
Four_Stroke said:
dsade why would you recommend ketocana over ki? Just curious
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If you're already in ketosis, then you just need to maintain it, not achieve it again. You can take a 1/2 serving of KetoCaNa and some MCT Evolved to help you maintain during the day.

There's no specific reason not to take KI during the day, though, just trying to save you $$.
 
chedapalooza said:
My question for Matt is : is it ok to consume this after a night of drinking? I normally only drink tequila rocks anyway. But for the sake of the general public, can we use this at bed after a night of consuming typical alcoholic beverages beer, wine, mixed drinks, etc?
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I've honestly experienced a deeper ketosis dosing pre-bed after some drinking.
 
dsade said:
If you're already in ketosis, then you just need to maintain it, not achieve it again. You can take a 1/2 serving of KetoCaNa and some MCT Evolved to help you maintain during the day.

There's no specific reason not to take KI during the day, though, just trying to save you $$.
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Thanks for the response, i'll try half a serving to see what happens. Also I have been working out fasted, if that matters.

And I have a stockpile of KI! :naughty:
 
Alcohol/KetoInduce experiment 1.

Japanese Steak House for a date. I had 2 mixed rum drinks, then 3 hard ciders while we...chilled. Just got home and dropped a scoop of KI.

I'm confident of good results here. I haven't eaten since 730.
 
dsade said:
Alcohol/KetoInduce experiment 1.

Japanese Steak House for a date. I had 2 mixed rum drinks, then 3 hard ciders while we...chilled. Just got home and dropped a scoop of KI.

I'm confident of good results here. I haven't eaten since 730.
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Would you need to wait an hour after the last drink before taking KI?
 
max silver said:
Would you need to wait an hour after the last drink before taking KI?
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It was a long drive to stop her off and get home. It was about 1.5 hours.

It seems to have weakened my ketosis quite a bit. :/
 
sprintsss said:
What you think bro? Does the drink have carbs or not? Use your own brain
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Was I specifically asking you this question? Geez man, I usually bite my tongue, but you don't need to constantly need to be such a jackass. Once you contribute even one single useful post to the forum then perhaps you'll have earned the right to criticize other posters question.
 
dsade said:
It was a long drive to stop her off and get home. It was about 1.5 hours.

It seems to have weakened my ketosis quite a bit. :/
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Perhaps a 1.5 or double dose may be of use when drinking? Or an even longer wait before taking KI for the remaining alcohol to metabolize would be of use perhaps...
 
I had about 4 or 5 don Julio rocks last night and took KI about two hours after last drink. Woke up Lean and dry af to some solid morning sex ?
 
chedapalooza said:
I had about 4 or 5 don Julio rocks last night and took KI about two hours after last drink. Woke up Lean and dry af to some solid morning sex ?
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Your KI came with morning sex?! Wtf I got hosed! Haha
 
This gonna be back in stock anytime soon? Also still waiting on that BRITE to finally try...
I did just place an order to try out the slintensity though and the majestic mudd to see if it does anything for my acne
 
dollar662 said:
Got a photo from my wife today. She thinks I have a problem lol I agreed and said yes stash is getting low I need to place an order !! some reason she didn't find it as funny as I did haha oh well... but on a positive note she found some DCP I was missing

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Is that a phone hanging on your wall????
 
BamBam0319 said:
This gonna be back in stock anytime soon? Also still waiting on that BRITE to finally try...
I did just place an order to try out the slintensity though and the majestic mudd to see if it does anything for my acne
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Majestic mudd.. What is this?
 
BamBam0319 said:
This gonna be back in stock anytime soon? Also still waiting on that BRITE to finally try...
I did just place an order to try out the slintensity though and the majestic mudd to see if it does anything for my acne
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I believe Matt was shooting for re-stocks on both within the month.
 
I have been starring at my KI tub for 2 weeks, so eager to start. I have Oncology blood work on Friday though, so I'm thinking I'd rather start after. Not saying KI would change anything, I just don't want to have to redo blood work for any reason.

This BoBu butter is the **** though!
 
Matt, you posted on the facebook about the ketogenic/glucogenic aminoacids.
My question is: if many aminos are glucogenic, a pre-bed protein shake wouldn't be bad with KI?
Could you test this with the keto sticks?
 
Testing ketones with piss sticks is about worthless. Blood strips will tell if you're in ketosis. Individual amino's can be ketogenic, like leucine. Others are not. Protein will knock you out of ketosis when high enough. Often fitness people say they're on a keto diet when in reality, they're just on a low carb diet. Protein being too high to get into ketosis.
 
macwad said:
Matt, you posted on the facebook about the ketogenic/glucogenic aminoacids.
My question is: if many aminos are glucogenic, a pre-bed protein shake wouldn't be bad with KI?
Could you test this with the keto sticks?
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That's a tricky one a bit out of my area of expertise. I'm recommending Strafe, and considering toying with a low carb isolate, but over tried in the morning while I ketosis and it did end up pushing me out.
 
I'm going to absolutely have to recommend against any ice cream at night.

I did my first boxing workout last night...2 hours that felt like nothing...and I was so famished that I grabbed a sundae. Barely registered as trace this morning.
 
1Fast400 said:
Testing ketones with piss sticks is about worthless. Blood strips will tell if you're in ketosis. Individual amino's can be ketogenic, like leucine. Others are not. Protein will knock you out of ketosis when high enough. Often fitness people say they're on a keto diet when in reality, they're just on a low carb diet. Protein being too high to get into ketosis.
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Right now, this and subjective reviews and cumulative fat loss are all we have to work with.

Wish there was a better option.
 
dsade said:
I'm going to absolutely have to recommend against any ice cream at night.

I did my first boxing workout last night...2 hours that felt like nothing...and I was so famished that I grabbed a sundae. Barely registered as trace this morning.
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Did you take it a hour or 2 after? Ive been eating ice cream :( but I usually dose KI 2 hours after.
 
CJNator said:
Did you take it a hour or 2 after? Ive been eating ice cream :( but I usually dose KI 2 hours after.
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2.5 hours, seriously.
 
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