EvoMuse Defuse Writeup

I will be the rebel and advise against this, or any GDA, in the workout timeframe.

It will be counterproductive for hypertrophy, as well as being wasted somewhat as it is designed to mimic the post exercise state you should already be in. (Insulin blunted, GLUT4 at cell membrane, etc.)

I would use it with an alternate meal, or the pre-workout meal if it is distanced enough from your workout
 
Idk I remember Dsade saying it will not inhibit calories absorbed, but rather alter how they are utilized ..

So more calories + less fat storage = more muscle gains ?...
 
Maybe dsade will chime in

But from my knowledge, irregardless of the other effects, mimickers like this or any GDA will inhibit the benefits of having just worked out.

Carb/fat blockers are never really ideal when post workout and trying to store energy either
 
There are also some potent antioxidants used in the formula, which we know aren't ideal in the workout timeframe
 
Thanks fellas, had a feeling the nature of this product would mean post workout use would either hinder gains and/or mean I wasn't getting the full benefit of this stuff. Appreciate the help!
 
warnerve said:
Thanks fellas, had a feeling the nature of this product would mean post workout use would either hinder gains and/or mean I wasn't getting the full benefit of this stuff. Appreciate the help!
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The function of Defuse is really unique. It is NOT a carb/fat blocker, nor is its primary focus a GDA. Defuse's prime directive is to disable fat storage enzymes, leaving free fatty acids and carbs circulating in the bloodstream and giving your body more time to burn it off as fuel. While it does have some effects on disposal, it will help a bit if your workouts are designed to deplete glycogen - but unless you have having a grandaddy of meals (1400calories>) postworkout, I would save full dose defuse for times that you do.

That said, we have gotten incredible feedback from dosing the product at 1-2 caps twice a day. This results in a downgrade of fat storage enzymes, without completely blunting them - aiding in fat loss.
 
Interesting, I think I'll experiment with this when my BMP log is done then. I am currently carb cycling and only eating a lot of carbs in my post workout meals on my lifting days. I actually do an intermittent fasting schedule so I am eating the vast majority of my calories in the four hours or so postworkout.

Matt, I know you don't recommend using this indefinitely - would dosing only 4x a week be okay? With 3 days a week with no Defuse?
 
warnerve said:
Interesting, I think I'll experiment with this when my BMP log is done then. I am currently carb cycling and only eating a lot of carbs in my post workout meals on my lifting days. I actually do an intermittent fasting schedule so I am eating the vast majority of my calories in the four hours or so postworkout.

Matt, I know you don't recommend using this indefinitely - would dosing only 4x a week be okay? With 3 days a week with no Defuse?
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I was wondering the same thing. Can Defuse be used indefinitely if used every other day? Or maybe for 7 weeks like this, then a week off?
 
GreenMachineX said:
I was wondering the same thing. Can Defuse be used indefinitely if used every other day? Or maybe for 7 weeks like this, then a week off?
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It's possible to use it regularly at a lower dose. Generally the body does not tolerate screwing with its systems for too long, and tends to compensate accordingly - probably leading to a much more amplified fat storage functioning. That's why this is recommended for short bursts only.
 
If using defuse once a week for cheats could you use it indefinitely ?
 
tyga tyga said:
If using defuse once a week for cheats could you use it indefinitely ?
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I know I basically just use it if I'm gonna have a VERY large meal. So I've used it twice in the past 2 days and maybe 3 times in the past 2 months. I'll let Matt answer for sure, but I'm pretty sure once a week you're good.
 
tyga tyga said:
If using defuse once a week for cheats could you use it indefinitely ?
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I would think it's fine. Being used everyday is where your body starts to compensate. Used here and there should be fine.

But I'll let the BOSS answer this
 
Is using defuse for a REFEED a bad idea? If I want to shock my body, wouldn't using defuse kind of negate the whole purpose? Not a cheat meal, a much needed refeed to get metabolism fired up again. Or would i be better served sticking w the low carbing and just using the epitome?
 
chedapalooza said:
Is using defuse for a REFEED a bad idea? If I want to shock my body, wouldn't using defuse kind of negate the whole purpose? Not a cheat meal, a much needed refeed to get metabolism fired up again. Or would i be better served sticking w the low carbing and just using the epitome?
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Not at all. You will maximize your refeed effectiveness (Stacked with Slintensity) while making sure that your body has ample time to burn off the fatty acids before they get stored. Signaling pathways are still going to be activated, accomplishing the goals of the refeed.
 
tyga tyga said:
If using defuse once a week for cheats could you use it indefinitely ?
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Yep...once a week is fine. In a longer term situation you are looking at basically a mean level of fat storage efficiency. By knocking out that efficiency one day a a week, without your body "sensing" and overcompensating, you've lowered the overall mean efficiency.
 
dsade said:
Not at all. You will maximize your refeed effectiveness (Stacked with Slintensity) while making sure that your body has ample time to burn off the fatty acids before they get stored. Signaling pathways are still going to be activated, accomplishing the goals of the refeed.
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Thank you.... Should I refeed post workout on Monday?

Or tomorrow on my off day from training(as a carb backload) and train fasted Monday.
 
How depleted are you right now? How long since your last refeed?
 
dsade said:
How depleted are you right now? How long since your last refeed?
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To the point of lethargy, little to no muscle tone, and just soft and puffy. I've tried refeeding w a carb meal once a week but it clearly hasn't been enough. Been training very hard for an upcoming sporting event.
 
Sounds like if you wait then your session Monday would suffer. I would do it tomorrow.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Do you refeed every time your completely depleted?
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My last few refeeds have been minimally effective due to appetite suppression, but that's usually my guide.
 
I end up depleted every few days due to my job more so then from my workouts, should I be refeeding that often would you say?
 
GreenMachineX said:
I end up depleted every few days due to my job more so then from my workouts, should I be refeeding that often would you say?
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Judge that by your fat loss pace and if you are where you want to be physique wise.
 
Honestly carb cycling worked best for me for quite some time then I cut the carbs and saw dramatic results which seem to have almlst been "reversed" body comp wise.
 
As usual, late to the party.

Sub'd. Lol
 
chedapalooza said:
Idk I remember Dsade saying it will not inhibit calories absorbed, but rather alter how they are utilized ..

So more calories + less fat storage = more muscle gains ?...
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Has anyone noticed this to pan out? Or noticed that it inhibits gains?
For the record I'm not sure I've noticed either, but I have notices that if I dose like 12 caps in a day with a bunch of terrible meals, stacked along slintensity, whole I may wake up light the next day, glycogen storage seems low too. Anyone else notice this?
 
GreenMachineX said:
Has anyone noticed this to pan out? Or noticed that it inhibits gains?
For the record I'm not sure I've noticed either, but I have notices that if I dose like 12 caps in a day with a bunch of terrible meals, stacked along slintensity, whole I may wake up light the next day, glycogen storage seems low too. Anyone else notice this?
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I haven't come anywhere close to 12 caps in a day.

I've used the recommended 4 (and on occasion, 5) before my largest meal of the day -- never more than that in one day's time. And I try not to rely on it too many days in a row, either.

But I just recently went to the buffet with the wife and dosed Defuse + Slintensity + NaRALA beforehand and woke up lighter the next morning. Didn't feel like glycogen stores were low by any means, either (hit chest a couple hours before that meal).
 
If I'm going to have a moderate to large meal (buffet style) primarily consisting of meat/seafood & veggies and then a couple hours later some ice cream.
I plan to take a Slintensity before the ice cream.
Would dosing defuse before the initial meal help with the ice cream or is it too far away?
 
GNO said:
If I'm going to have a moderate to large meal (buffet style) primarily consisting of meat/seafood & veggies and then a couple hours later some ice cream.
I plan to take a Slintensity before the ice cream.
Would dosing defuse before the initial meal help with the ice cream or is it too far away?
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Maybe dose 4 prior to buffet and 1-2 prior to ice cream
 
chedapalooza said:
Maybe dose 4 prior to buffet and 1-2 prior to ice cream
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I don't see the benefit in going over 4 caps a day especially for the side of meal I'm having.

I might do 2 and 2 though, thanks.
 
Take the defuse (4caps) before the meal and the slintensity pre ice-cream if you're worried about "fat gain"

Obviously if you're having to take a ridiculous amount of GDAs or inhibitors to counteract your meal, you should tone down the cheat.
 
tyga tyga said:
Take the defuse (4caps) before the meal and the slintensity pre ice-cream if you're worried about "fat gain"

Obviously if you're having to take a ridiculous amount of GDAs or inhibitors to counteract your meal, you should tone down the cheat.
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It's not that big a meal lol ...

I'll be at a work event for the dinner so will mainly eating chicken and veggies so I can fit in my ice cream when I get home.
More concerned about the time delay since I can't leave right away lol.
 
GNO said:
It's not that big a meal lol ...

I'll be at a work event for the dinner so will mainly eating chicken and veggies so I can fit in my ice cream when I get home.
More concerned about the time delay since I can't leave right away lol.
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Just take 4 and 1 slintensity before the ice cream. Nothing before the meal if it's just meat and veggies.
 
GreenMachineX said:
Just take 4 and 1 slintensity before the ice cream. Nothing before the meal if it's just meat and veggies.
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Thanks for the feedback.

It's restaurant type food so expecting saucy meats and oily veggies lol but perhaps I'm overthinking this.
 
Hey guys,tomorrow i will have a plan ed refeed 600c 30f 110p.
Its ok go with 4defuse and 2recompadrol 20 min bifore? Thx
 
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