Epi vs. Anavar?

neverstop

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I am looking at doing a 12-14 week "clean bulk" cycle in a few months to lean out a bit and put on 5-10lbs of muscle. Looking at lower dose of test in the 500mg a week range with some deca (makes my joints feel good) and am trying to decide between running 6-7 weeks of anavar or epistane in the beginning. Don't want to run Mdrol or phera this time.

I have never run Anavar before and was shocked at how expensive it is. It is literally 10x more expensive than the "legal" designer roids. Is Anavar THAT much better for lean muscle mass gains than the other orals like Epi or Hdrol etc?

In my experience Mdrol and phera are both "better" than dbol so would be great to have some input on anavar.

any input from people who have run both would be really helpful.
 
Clean bulk is far more about diet and cardio than which compounds you run. That being said, why not go with dbol to kickstart? It's much cheaper than var and will add more LBM as well.
 
you're absolutely right about diet and cardio but certain compounds work "better" for certain applications. Let's just assume I have my diet and workout dialed.

I wasn't a huge fan of dbol actually, too "puffy" and less gains for me than mdrol or phera and more temporary weight gain. If I was going to run something like that for bulking I'd prefer Phera or Mdrol but the sides on both of those were rough.

The reason I ask is I've seen some pretty successful cuts done on epi and there was a thread on here awhile back about how anavar is chemically superior for removing belly fat. would be interesting to hear from people who have cut, or run at all, both anavar and epi and their comparisons.
 
why not use t-bol then? supposedly it is a cross between d-bol and var with little to no bloat.
 
Tbol is great, but there's alot of people that swear by anavar. Tbol and anavar is almost the same on cost. If you look in the right spot you can find a awesome deal. Good luck brother. I would use anavar or tbol
 
thanks guys,

I don't have access to Tbol or it would certainly be on my list. I've asked around but seems unlikely I'll be able to get it.

either of you guys used epi and/or var?

considering var is 10x the cost I'm really tempted to just run epi, in a 12-16 week cycle I could damn near squeeze in two epi cycles and seems like I would probably gain more from 2 epi cycles than one var cycle. I could also just run one longer and lower dose epi cycle, like 7 weeks or something. Then again I've never used var and some guys swear by it.
 
great feed back, that is exactly what I was looking for. I am just trying to do the cost benefit analysis on spending 10x more on the var so great to hear more on the benefits. thanks.
 
man is this a joke ? did u compare anavar to epi ????? of course anavar, it's the best steroid ever, mildest on liver, sides are close to none
 
neverstop said:
great feed back, that is exactly what I was looking for. I am just trying to do the cost benefit analysis on spending 10x more on the var so great to hear more on the benefits. thanks.
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if u have the money, get it. if not, run winstrol aka poor man's var lol
 
Markusrulezzz said:
man is this a joke ? did u compare anavar to epi ????? of course anavar, it's the best steroid ever, mildest on liver, sides are close to none
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thanks, I have never run anavar and none of my friends really juice so I don't have anyone who I can talk to with first hand experience. have you ever run epi? just curious. at this point it sounds like var is the way to go... time to break out the stack of cash.....

can't run the wini but wish I could! have genetic propensity for being bald and don't want to mess up my prostate so I'll have to be using finasteride when on the test. I wish I could though, i've seen friends of mine get shredded on that stuff!


what do you all suggest then on dose for var? I would like to run the var as long as possible but this will be my first time so open to whatever you think is best. maybe a lower dose but just for a longer time?

I'll be getting bloodwork done before and after too of course.
 
anavar vs. epi is a pointless discussion because everyone will respond differently to them. Some people respond amazingly well to Epi like monsterbox... others get no gains... some people love var, other people have told me it's so weak it's useless.

in general on a cost/cost basis I think Epi compares very favorably to anavar.
 
I've seen medical studies of little kids on absurd doses of var for months and years on end too so would be good to use something that is very mild on the liver.
 
that's a good point unreal. going to have to think about this. I may just run a epi cycle next month and see how it goes to judge how strong epi is for me. I took it before but I was on so much other stuff and the cycle was stopped early so it was hard to say how well it worked for me.
 
ah. that sounds inconclusive but if you have reason to think the epi was weak for you i wouldn't bother with it again. Epi doesn't produce any gains for me at all.
 
Because those people who run Anavar get the fake stuff, Anavar is hard to get and the real pharmacuitcal stuff are veryyyyyyyyyyy expensive ! but hey if you are rich and can access then ANAVAR for sure

I know a guy who lost 19 pounds of fat in a month on that stuff but he spent over 200 300$ to get the real deal
 
bigpapa said:
why not use t-bol then? supposedly it is a cross between d-bol and var with little to no bloat.
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T-bol is Dbol, but cannot convert to estrogen or DHT. Simply speaking, Tbol is dry dbol. From my source, tbol is inexpensive. Var is the highest priced steroid to date. If you rather go legal, pick up some Hdrol. They yield similar results. Halodrol is active on its own, but a certain % converts to OT(tbol). OT and Hdrol are my favorite compounds, second is Epi. I'm currently on a cycle of Hdrol and Epi, never felt this awesome in the gym! Take your pick, but i don't have any var experience, due to its extreme cost.
 
SD better than dbol?


SD focking wacked me out- i doubt dbol will as i have some experience with it


tbol- a dry dbol hmmmmm
 
damn.... wishing I could get some Tbol! a dry dbol would kick some ass. for the record Dbol had less sides than mdrol but mdrol "true" gains at 20mg blew dbol away for me. The pump I get on mdrol is like nothing else and the final 2 weeks of a 4 week cycle of that stuff is awesome. Now if it didn't make me dizzy walking up stairs and tired all the time.....

Anavar is looking like $400 for me and that isn't even enough to do a real serious cycle so probably more and you can see why I'm looking at epi for $30. lol. at least I know it's legit though as it's medical grade pharma stuff. I want to run Var but $500+ is a **** load of money, that's like a week long trip in Hawaii for ****s sake but I would HAPPILY pay that if I could chop off 10lbs of fat in 2 months and keep/gain muscle at the same time.


Geekpoop,

why do you say Anavar sucked? you are the first and only person I've ever heard say that so interested to hear details.
 
i cut this past summer on epi/11 sterone dude

i stayed at 212 the entire cycle but i lost 3-4% bf- low cals cardio 6x a week lol- and i gained strength
 
nice Schwell, how long was the cycle? did you run a log? I've never really had to cut before as I'm pretty lean naturally so still researching on how I want to structure the diet.
 
theforesaken1 said:
T-bol is Dbol, but cannot convert to estrogen or DHT. Simply speaking, Tbol is dry dbol. From my source, tbol is inexpensive. Var is the highest priced steroid to date. If you rather go legal, pick up some Hdrol. They yield similar results. Halodrol is active on its own, but a certain % converts to OT(tbol). OT and Hdrol are my favorite compounds, second is Epi. I'm currently on a cycle of Hdrol and Epi, never felt this awesome in the gym! Take your pick, but i don't have any var experience, due to its extreme cost.
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i have never heard of people comparing the gains on Tbol to Dbol, ever. But to each his own we all respond differently. I think the closest thing to "dry dbol" is superdrol.
 
UnrealMachine said:
i have never heard of people comparing the gains on Tbol to Dbol, ever. But to each his own we all respond differently. I think the closest thing to "dry dbol" is superdrol.
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I'm not trying to sound like a d*ck, but i think you misread what i said. The gains are much less on tbol, because its dry. Dbol, being a wet hormone, puts on much more weight. Take a look for yourself bro.

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theforesaken1 said:
I'm not trying to sound like a d*ck, but i think you misread what i said. The gains are much less on tbol, because its dry. Dbol, being a wet hormone, puts on much more weight. Take a look for yourself bro.

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The article says that "The similarities are actually quite numerous" between the two, but similarities is all they are. Altering the structure of the molecule can change the effects pretty drastically, so while the addition of the 4-chloro group inhibits interaction with aromatase, it may also do other things, making it a completely different steroid.

case in point, dbol + AI =/= tbol.
 
UnrealMachine said:
The article says that "The similarities are actually quite numerous" between the two, but similarities is all they are. Altering the structure of the molecule can change the effects pretty drastically, so while the addition of the 4-chloro group inhibits interaction with aromatase, it may also do other things, making it a completely different steroid.

case in point, dbol + AI =/= tbol.
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"by Anthony Roberts - Oral Turninabol is also known as Oral Turinabl (OT) or Pro Turinabol. Turinabol is a derivative of Dianabol that does not promote water retention and estrogenic side effects. Turinabol produces slow but quality gains."

"4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone, sold under the brand name Oral Turinabol, is an anabolic steroid. It is a chlor-substituted version of methandrostenolone (Dianabol)."

Unless I'm really horrible at reading comprehension.. This says that OT is 4chloro'd Dbol. This change in structure prevents aromatization, which is why water retention is very limited. You're not going to get the same explosive weight gain from OT as you will with Dbol for this reason, but strength gains are similar with both hormones. I'm not trying to argue about this, i suppose i wasnt very clear before.
 
Markusrulezzz said:
Because those people who run Anavar get the fake stuff, Anavar is hard to get and the real pharmacuitcal stuff are veryyyyyyyyyyy expensive ! but hey if you are rich and can access then ANAVAR for sure

I know a guy who lost 19 pounds of fat in a month on that stuff but he spent over 200 300$ to get the real deal
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How are you supposed to tell the REAL DEAL from the scam???
 
01yz426 said:
How are you supposed to tell the REAL DEAL from the scam???
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I dont know but Jasen has also told me they sell you Oral Turinbol instead of Anavar...

Anavar has nooooooo side effects ! they rate it 2 out of 10 for sides, Test E 6, Dbol 7, Anadrol 10 so imagine !

and it is one the best for CUTTING ! No questions asked
 
Markusrulezzz said:
I dont know but Jasen has also told me they sell you Oral Turinbol instead of Anavar...

Anavar has nooooooo side effects ! they rate it 2 out of 10 for sides, Test E 6, Dbol 7, Anadrol 10 so imagine !

and it is one the best for CUTTING ! No questions asked
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Ya my buddy wants to do a cycle but I don't know what to tell him... We'll see how it goes... Scams piss me off...
 
01yz426 said:
He doesn't have the bf% for that... He looking to cut up first, cut up a lot actually... He's about 6' 5" and over 20% bf I'd say...
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If that's the case, it sounds like diet and cardio should be thoroughly evaluated before throwing compounds at the problem to make it disappear. That's a lot of bf% to expect an aas to do the work for you.

If anything, he should look at adding E/C to the aforementioned diet and cardio.
 
if u can get really really good var, nothing can compare to it. My source which is just in the next town over from me, who makes everything himself, gets the raws direct and had it tested (since he has that capability due to his profession) and it came back 98% pure. charges me $200 for 150 30mg pills... legit var, is excellent but hard to find.
 
well the anavar I can get I know is legit but WAY more expensive, I'm jealous too bigpapa, that is a good deal. I'm leaning more towards just running the anavar and paying up. I've been wanting to do it for awhile now so should be fun. Gotta pay the cost to be the boss...hahaha...
 
UnrealMachine said:
anavar vs. epi is a pointless discussion because everyone will respond differently to them. Some people respond amazingly well to Epi like monsterbox... others get no gains... some people love var, other people have told me it's so weak it's useless.

in general on a cost/cost basis I think Epi compares very favorably to anavar.
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:) monsterbox responds like a freak to epi, but soon he will be running var!

I'm going to be running var at 50-80mg range for 8 weeks along with test-p/masteron-p

I will let you guys know how this turns out and we will have the verdict to which is superior. But i will tell you right now, epi at 50mg is pretty good stuff!
 
I'm just curious, if this OT stuff is so good, like dry D-Bol, why dont we hear about it more often? I mean, I think honestly I've heard Superd, Hdrol, Epi, D-Bol, Deca, Var, etc, etc... referenced here and other sites like 100 + times, but I've only read about this OT maybe what??.. Like 5-10 times. Any reason I may be missing?

Also, if it is so great and it's simply D-Bol + an AI ( as far as end effects) Then why dont we just take D-Bol and add like Formestane while on?

Am I missing something? Lolz
 
I haven't run a PH or AAS cycle yet. I've been taking a lot of time studying and absorbing information like a freak.

Out of the dozens of Anavar logs and experiences I've read, it is probably the most liked and respected steroid out there. 99% of the comments that don't rave about var come from people that have A) never run it B) got fake or underdosed stuff or C) ran it too low or too short to save money

I recently bit the bullet and got some for a nicely dosed run. Not sure if I'll run for my first cycle, but I definitely want to run it.
 
Anavar is unique among steroids in its versatility, but it's also unique in its terrible cost.

Mg for Mg, Epistane has a much more pronounced anabolic effect. 20-30mg could substitute for D-Bol in many people, and I know a handful who even prefer it.

If your bottom line is pounds of lean mass gained, there is no comparison, unless you're using Var at about 3x what you would Epi. The "clean" part of your bulk is easier done with diet than reliance on Var's secondary effects.
 
BrockR said:
I haven't run a PH or AAS cycle yet. I've been taking a lot of time studying and absorbing information like a freak.

Out of the dozens of Anavar logs and experiences I've read, it is probably the most liked and respected steroid out there. 99% of the comments that don't rave about var come from people that have A) never run it B) got fake or underdosed stuff or C) ran it too low or too short to save money

I recently bit the bullet and got some for a nicely dosed run. Not sure if I'll run for my first cycle, but I definitely want to run it.
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Yea I think legit var is hard to come by. With the high cost I would be nervous paying for enough to make a good cycle out of
 
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