I post a lot at other forums, ones that are more focused on actual bodybuilding and not on shilling supplements that are mostly ineffective.
A. Excellent. Perhaps you should stick to what you know then. Because your ignorance on the topic of Ecdysterone has lit this place up like a Christmas tree...
You are right that some early studies on AAS concluded that they had no benefit for strength, muscle size, or performance. However, these studies were done with very low doses and were offset by a very large body of anecdotal evidence that gear works and that it works well.
A. No sh!t? Thanks for making my point. You see my friend, time is the ultimate arbitor, and you failed to realize enough time hasn't elapsed (for you anyway), to make an informed decision.
Remember the "word of mouth" you mentioned earlier that is necessary for selling something so miraculous as your ecdysterone in the bodybuilding world? Word of mouth got around fast shortly after hormones were marketed some decades ago because the stuff simply worked.
A. And "word of mouth" is getting around about Ecdysterone as well.- as you see in other people's posts in this thread and all over the world. I suppose Dr. Syrov at the Institute of Chemistry and Plant Sciences in Uzbekistan devoted his life to it for jollies, right? Right.
If this isn't obvious to you, you're either A.) Blind, B.) Stupid or C.) Both.
My money's on C.
Ecdysterone has been around for years now and still nobody's talking about it.
A. Is that so? I wonder why it's being studied by Universities like Rutgers in the United States, overseas at the University of Szegerd in Hungary, Japan, Brazil and elsewhere? That's why Ecdy's use in beefing up livestock is being investigated. They're just funnin' ya' here though, right?
That's what they do at Elsevier and elsewhere, they like wasting their time/money paying these people to pursue such folly - right boss?
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Hell, when the original Progenex came out, word of mouth was enough to sell that stuff like crazy for a while. I'm actually convinced it must have been spiked with something...but you are one of maybe a half dozen people I've ever seen pimping this ecdy. stuff, and you expect people to just take your word for it. I take it you are a paid/sponsored rep for this synthagen company? Please admit your bias and conflicts of interest if you have any respect for an impartial discussion.
A. Funny you should mention Dr. Connelly's Progenex. I've spent many hours on the phone discussing it with him, went through bags and bags of it and had access to it even after it wasn't commercially available, then shared that with oh - a dozen of so Blueprint folk. Your irresponsible speculation know no bounds, does it? There was nothing illegal in it, as Scott went through over 600 variations of whey isolate fractions to arrive at the final formula. Keep convincing yourself it was spiked with something, because there's NO possible way someone could EVER come up with something drug free that recovers you that fast, right? Right. That's the conclusion small minds come too. Coincidence in your case, I'm sure.
but you are one of maybe a half dozen people I've ever seen pimping this ecdy. stuff, and you expect people to just take your word for it. I take it you are a paid/sponsored rep for this synthagen company? Please admit your bias and conflicts of interest if you have any respect for an impartial discussion.
A. Is that so? A half dozen you say? I supposed Charles Poloquin's Rhaponticum Excellence, MASS's Kre-Anabolyn/Adaptogen N, Thermolife's Ebol, Tonovara's True Turk and oh - dozens of others I could name have never put forth its merits? That's why Thermolife paid through the nose for the exclusive rights to distribute Turkesterone in this country, right? They did that for fun though, just like all of these other companies.
I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. You see these people posting how it works for them boss? They're real people. Really, you can PM them, get a phone # and even visit. I do. Nothing stopping you from doing the same. I've been discussing the merits of Ecdysterone for two decades. Don't believe that? Google is your friend. Was doing that LONG before I formulated Synthagen. By the way boss, Synthagen isn't a company, it's a product. If people buy Synthagen do I get a cut? Yes I do, because I did all the formula work. Show me where I've ever said otherwise, b/c I can sure show you the day I announced the product was coming, and the fact I'd share in part of the profits.
How about Kre-Ababolyn or Ebol? I've recommended those for YEARS. Do I get ANYTHING for that? No, I don't. Nothing. Read that again boss, not one red cent. Comprende? Now don't take my word for it boss, there's something called a phone book/that google thing again. You look up Thermolife/CEO Ron Kramer and MASS/CEO John Drake and call them yourself. You're a big boy, I just know you can do it. If you need help, I'm at 860-753-0373. Maybe I can walk you through it...
Maybe the book on everything is still being written. Maybe in 10 years there will be studies showing that cow **.** is 10X as anabolic as dianabol..."maybe...", can be said about anything. That is a poor argument. Creatine and pro-hormones both have volumes of studies and anecdotal evidence backing their effectiveness. Ecdysterones have seemed to have proven unworthy for further research...
A. Is that so? Wow, you need to let Rutgers, etc. know right away then they're wasting their time! Here you go boss, I'll even give you their phone #. Have at it son: [h=2]CALL 732-445-INFO (4636)[/h]
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That you refer to M1T as a "PH" further shows your ignorance. It is an active steroid, not a PH, so yes, you have used steroids, though it may very well have been legal at the time. The comparison between M1T and your herbal extract is ridiculous. If synthagen is so amazing that it can improve noticed recovery more than one of the most powerful anabolics on the market, the company should be giving bottles away for people to test because it would surely fly off the shelves once people notice such results and want to buy more.
so if you aren't watching what is new, and potentially incorporating it, you may be doing your customers a disservice. Not saying you are, but that the possibility exists.
