EcdyMorph

Can this product cause suppression in higher doses? This product is supposed to not have any side effects? Is this true even with very high doses? Could I run this for 4 -6 months with out a problem? Any info would be appreciated.
 
AML said:
Can this product cause suppression in higher doses? This product is supposed to not have any side effects? Is this true even with very high doses? Could I run this for 4 -6 months with out a problem? Any info would be appreciated.
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Everything I've read said ecdy will NOT effect hormone levels.
 
I'm taking the plunge< 60 days on ecdy, Testalensis, Slin sane, Kreceps Ultra, and GHRP2 and CJC1295 no dac, with 10mg of superdrol preworkout only. It should be pretty strong. I'll be doing super sets with mostly Kettlebells and some cardio. I'm stoked. Sorry if that was hijackish
 
AML said:
Can this product cause suppression in higher doses? This product is supposed to not have any side effects? Is this true even with very high doses? Could I run this for 4 -6 months with out a problem? Any info would be appreciated.
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ECDY cannot and will not shut you down, regardless of dose or duration.
 
VaughnTrue said:
ECDY cannot and will not shut you down, regardless of dose or duration.
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I'm running at 100mg per day for 60 days. I'm pumped about it
 
StakedCop said:
GREAT dose! The highest I've done is 120 but that's only because I couldn't remember if I missed a dose :) lol
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Whew! Glad you didn't say 150 because if I'm not mistaken that is the cutoff point where the ecdymorph triggers a temporary physiological transformation causing the individual in question to experience a massive increase in size and strength - the Hulk! Of course, once the ecdy is sufficiently metabolized the individual will revert back to the former size and strength. :11:
 
sapentia said:
Whew! Glad you didn't say 150 because if I'm not mistaken that is the cutoff point where the ecdymorph triggers a temporary physiological transformation causing the individual in question to experience a massive increase in size and strength - the Hulk! Of course, once the ecdy is sufficiently metabolized the individual will revert back to the former size and strength. :11:
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Obviously! Lol

Thank god we are all safe.
 
sapentia said:
Whew! Glad you didn't say 150 because if I'm not mistaken that is the cutoff point where the ecdymorph triggers a temporary physiological transformation causing the individual in question to experience a massive increase in size and strength - the Hulk! Of course, once the ecdy is sufficiently metabolized the individual will revert back to the former size and strength. :11:
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Why not run 300-400 a day? for $20 dollars a bottle, if this stuff is dose dependent, you should be recovery like your on the juice.
 
swan1209 said:
Why not run 300-400 a day? for $20 dollars a bottle, if this stuff is dose dependent, you should be recovery like your on the juice.
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if u bought a kilo, you could run a very long 0.5-1g/day cycle. would be truely glorious. especially on the 1g side... thats 3 years worth(kilo) for a few grand. u wouldnt need any other supplements besides protein so it might be a fun investment. and id almost guarantee the results would rival any steroid cycle. especially considering no pct required
 
swan1209 said:
Would enteric coating an ecdy capsule increase absorption?
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not targeted towards me, but the answer is no

any compound administered orally that will pass through the digestive tract, no matter what point, is subject to hepatic portal circulation... aka the liver, which will work to break down and change the compounds
 
tnubs said:
not targeted towards me, but the answer is no

any compound administered orally that will pass through the digestive tract, no matter what point, is subject to hepatic portal circulation... aka the liver, which will work to break down and change the compounds
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Future doctor speaking ^
 
I know it's been said... But so many people saying how "dose dependant" this stuff is, I'm taking roughly 100mg of this per day. (today's my first day so I'm far from an expert.)

I know this is 99% pure. But at 1g per day, of even an 80% concentrate, you would be getting a lot more in your blood. Is there a bulk ecdy anywhere?

I plan on only running it for 20ish days... I only have one bottle. Might it be more effective to run it for only ten days and double it? Or 15 and take 150mg?
I just see great gains quickly then tapering off slowly and want to maximize. :)

Anything I should be looking for to gauge my sweet spot dosage?

Thanks
 
anabolicRyan1 said:
I know it's been said... But so many people saying how "dose dependant" this stuff is, I'm taking roughly 100mg of this per day. (today's my first day so I'm far from an expert.)

I know this is 99% pure. But at 1g per day, of even an 80% concentrate, you would be getting a lot more in your blood. Is there a bulk ecdy anywhere?

I plan on only running it for 20ish days... I only have one bottle. Might it be more effective to run it for only ten days and double it? Or 15 and take 150mg?
I just see great gains quickly then tapering off slowly and want to maximize. :)

Anything I should be looking for to gauge my sweet spot dosage?

Thanks
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As you have read, the purity of it compounds the effectiveness of this product. 100mg is plenty. Give it a shot and let us know what you think after you've tried at that dosage. If nothing else, you'll kinda know where you're at and what you need to adjust it to.
 
kingjameskjf said:
As you have read, the purity of it compounds the effectiveness of this product. 100mg is plenty. Give it a shot and let us know what you think after you've tried at that dosage. If nothing else, you'll kinda know where you're at and what you need to adjust it to.
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I second this and depending on your size 75mg could very well be enough. I know Vaughn weighs in at 250 and he uses 75mg. However, I weigh 230 and like 100mgs.
 
10-4. Will do guys!

Thanks for the input
 
i weigh 151lbs and at 50mg should i......can i bump up???and how far apart do i spread them..right now i take 1 dose post workout 10am w/48g protien and 2dose at 12 w/lunch 28-42g protien
 
andy148lbs said:
i weigh 151lbs and at 50mg should i......can i bump up???and how far apart do i spread them..right now i take 1 dose post workout 10am w/48g protien and 2dose at 12 w/lunch 28-42g protien
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Add another one Pre workout bro you're missing out on some great pumps!
 
tnubs said:
not targeted towards me, but the answer is no

any compound administered orally that will pass through the digestive tract, no matter what point, is subject to hepatic portal circulation... aka the liver, which will work to break down and change the compounds
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Thanks buddy, so what is the point of enteric coating? To protect active ingredients from the acidic environment of the stomach right? I wonder if it is the acidity of the stomach that degrades ecdy, or is it the "hepatic portal circulation?" Or is it just that ecdy is not absorbed through the digestive tract?

On another note, anyone seeing any results yet? Enhanced recovery?
 
swan1209 said:
Thanks buddy, so what is the point of enteric coating? To protect active ingredients from the acidic environment of the stomach right? I wonder if it is the acidity of the stomach that degrades ecdy, or is it the "hepatic portal circulation?" Or is it just that ecdy is not absorbed through the digestive tract?

On another note, anyone seeing any results yet? Enhanced recovery?
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I'm on it now. about 100MG

1 in the am with protein
1 at lunch with food
2 after my workout with protein.

I'm loving it. solid results. Doing exactly what I want it to do. Recomp.
 
swan1209 said:
Thanks buddy, so what is the point of enteric coating? To protect active ingredients from the acidic environment of the stomach right? I wonder if it is the acidity of the stomach that degrades ecdy, or is it the "hepatic portal circulation?" Or is it just that ecdy is not absorbed through the digestive tract?

On another note, anyone seeing any results yet? Enhanced recovery?
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good question, I'm not exactly sure but I know that absorption/bioavailability is a common problem with less pure ecdy extracts. The hepatic portal is always a concern too, granted it's a truly wonderful thing for our health but yes it also detoxifies and also minimizes the effectiveness of many compounds. That's one of the reasons some PH's are methylated (have a methyl group attached) to help protect it from the first pass through the hepatic portal system and allowing it to have a greater saturation in the blood, and therefore a greater response.
 
kingjameskjf said:
good question, I'm not exactly sure but I know that absorption/bioavailability is a common problem with less pure ecdy extracts. The hepatic portal is always a concern too, granted it's a truly wonderful thing for our health but yes it also detoxifies and also minimizes the effectiveness of many compounds. That's one of the reasons some PH's are methylated (have a methyl group attached) to help protect it from the first pass through the hepatic portal system and allowing it to have a greater saturation in the blood, and therefore a greater response.
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I love coming to this board and learning more in a few minutes than I do in an hour long lecture haha. Thanks! Perhaps you would be able to explain to me how a more pure ecdy extract enhances absorption? Is it just because your getting more ecdy/mg or is does it have to do with the increased crystallization creating a "shielding" type effect as the molecule is metabolized?
 
anabolicRyan1 said:
I'm on it now. about 100MG

1 in the am with protein
1 at lunch with food
2 after my workout with protein.

I'm loving it. solid results. Doing exactly what I want it to do. Recomp.
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Awesome, thanks for the update! how long have you been taking it? any figures as weight loss/ lean mass gain? How bout DOMS reduction/ enhanced recovery?
 
swan1209 said:
I love coming to this board and learning more in a few minutes than I do in an hour long lecture haha. Thanks! Perhaps you would be able to explain to me how a more pure ecdy extract enhances absorption? Is it just because your getting more ecdy/mg or is does it have to do with the increased crystallization creating a "shielding" type effect as the molecule is metabolized?
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As it was explained to me, as you increase the purity above ~95% (guessing from memory on the percent here), then the increased crystallization, as you said, exponentially increases with the purity of the compound allowing for better absorption. I don't have any NMR data sheets to confirm the shielding effect as I am just a rep, but it makes sense logically to me.
 
kingjameskjf said:
As it was explained to me, as you increase the purity above ~95% (guessing from memory on the percent here), then the increased crystallization, as you said, exponentially increases with the purity of the compound allowing for better absorption. I don't have any NMR data sheets to confirm the shielding effect as I am just a rep, but it makes sense logically to me.
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Thanks again, it does make sense at first glance but then again, its hard to find info on the chemistry of ecdy as its being metabolized so its hard to say if crystallization would be enough to shield or stabilize it. I know I'm going to eventually break down and buy the ecdymorph and try it for myself, its the only way to really know if it works. I still like to know what I'm getting into though. One thing I have always wondered about is if the stuff works like crazy when injected, according to many studies, how come you never here of people with muscular dystrophy or other muscle wasting diseases using it? Or why hasn't big pharma jumped on this and turned it into a patentable drug and sold it for 50 times what its worth haha.
 
I'll be reporting back with a full bottle taken in about 5 days. So far I love the stuff. Great strength gains and awesome mood.

Pictures will tell the tail. ;)
 
anabolicRyan1 said:
I'll be reporting back with a full bottle taken in about 5 days. So far I love the stuff. Great strength gains and awesome mood.

Pictures will tell the tail. ;)
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Awesome man, really looking forward to it as that would be greatly appreciated since its a newer product :).

Mike
 
criticalbench said:
Awesome man, really looking forward to it as that would be greatly appreciated since its a newer product :).

Mike
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Just reviewed my 1 bottle of those product. And damn. Very happy stacked was pushing so hard that this is worth it... Cause it is.

Check out my log if you like. And I'll be posting a few pictures tomorrow. Mirror test says it all. Pretty big change for only 20 days. Wish I would have picked up a second bottle.
 
anabolicRyan1 said:
Just reviewed my 1 bottle of those product. And damn. Very happy stacked was pushing so hard that this is worth it... Cause it is.

Check out my log if you like. And I'll be posting a few pictures tomorrow. Mirror test says it all. Pretty big change for only 20 days. Wish I would have picked up a second bottle.
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More will be back in stock soon!
 
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