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StangBanger said:
So...

its been a while since Ive been in this post.

So what ever happened here with this lawsuit other than DS selling a SH*T TON of Craze???

looks like my post on page 1 was correct.... over-hyped BS to sell a ton of product !!!!

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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there is a lawsuit against 1-ad thats been going on for 6 years

i dont think u understand how slowly these things move
 
I took a scoop and a half of Craze yesterday at 530 pm. I was randomly drug tested today at 1100am. I then started to research the possiblities of false positive for amphetmaines after taking this crap! This is gonna be long and f'd up weekend waiting for results to come back next week! To make matters worse, Im a Probation Officer, fml!
 
Edog805 said:
I took a scoop and a half of Craze yesterday at 530 pm. I was randomly drug tested today at 1100am. I then started to research the possiblities of false positive for amphetmaines after taking this crap! This is gonna be long and f'd up weekend waiting for results to come back next week! To make matters worse, Im a Probation Officer, fml!
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WOW dude

On a magic carpet ride :)
 
Edog805 said:
I took a scoop and a half of Craze yesterday at 530 pm. I was randomly drug tested today at 1100am. I then started to research the possiblities of false positive for amphetmaines after taking this crap! This is gonna be long and f'd up weekend waiting for results to come back next week! To make matters worse, Im a Probation Officer, fml!
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Just show em the CRAZE and tell them that's what you took. Honesty is the best policy. In most cases.
 
epstaneman said:
Just show em the CRAZE and tell them that's what you took. Honesty is the best policy. In most cases.
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with all the bath salts and stuff out there I am not so sure that the fact that something is "OTC" is gonna be a ticket out should there be an issue. The fact that it is bought from a health food retailer wont matter

still, its in your system so full disclosure is the smart thing at this point. Just hope they dont log on to this thread
 
I disclosed the Craze to my supervisor before I went to the lab. I took the tub and wrote down all the active ingredients which may test false positive. What a shame, this was supp was working so well for me along with creatine and protien. However, if the test come back clean, I will continually take it.
 
T-Bone said:
Just wondering why you type "On a magic carpet ride" on every one of your posts?.
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It's my signature. I don't type it everytime, it is automatic on all my posts

On a magic carpet ride :)
 
Edog805 said:
I disclosed the Craze to my supervisor before I went to the lab. I took the tub and wrote down all the active ingredients which may test false positive. What a shame, this was supp was working so well for me along with creatine and protien. However, if the test come back clean, I will continually take it.
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How did your test go?
 
They sell over the counter urine drug testers at your local walgreens or pharmacy section.....if you REALLY wanted to know, you can always take a scoop of craze and piss test an hour - hour in a half later.


Personally....I don't care. CRAZE is the SH*T!!
 
RUNNER 67 said:
I have a couple tubs of Craze, which I adore....however, I will be honest, I am loving this Jack3d micro....a lot! NO stim dick, clean energy, great pump, and I can go to sleep easily at night.
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Thak you for the Jack3d Micro comment. Glad you are enjoying your run.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
there is a lawsuit against 1-ad thats been going on for 6 years

i dont think u understand how slowly these things move
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So how long are we going to have to wait to get the truth about Craze? Hopefully not years. I think it's sad that a supposed legitimit company and product would go to such great lengths to silence their critics, let alone objective scientific analysis. I understand you're a competitor and your objectivity could come into question, but still.... It's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that DS has something to hide. I have taken Craze and can say with 100% certainty that there's more to this product than what's stated on the label or this "Dendrobex" is a (not so?) clever disguse for something more powerful. I used to take Dexedrine and didn't experienced the type of "crash" that I did with Craze.
I probably speak for many on this board when I say I prefer to know what's going in my body and would LOVE to see your findings from the tub you ordered.... I will not take Craze again until somebody NOT affiliated with DS shows the public, once and for all, what is in Craze. And with the crash I experienced I may not take it even then. I know you're basically under a freaking gag order because of DS lawyers, but if there's any way you could let us (the consumers) know just what in the hell you found it would be much appreciated. Or point us in the right direction. Either way, it'd be nice to know what I was ingesting daily for two months straight.
 
Ceredumbellum said:
So how long are we going to have to wait to get the truth about Craze? Hopefully not years. I think it's sad that a supposed legitimit company and product would go to such great lengths to silence their critics, let alone objective scientific analysis. I understand you're a competitor and your objectivity could come into question, but still.... It's pretty obvious (to me anyway) that DS has something to hide. I have taken Craze and can say with 100% certainty that there's more to this product than what's stated on the label or this "Dendrobex" is a (not so?) clever disguse for something more powerful. I used to take Dexedrine and didn't experienced the type of "crash" that I did with Craze.
I probably speak for many on this board when I say I prefer to know what's going in my body and would LOVE to see your findings from the tub you ordered.... I will not take Craze again until somebody NOT affiliated with DS shows the public, once and for all, what is in Craze. And with the crash I experienced I may not take it even then. I know you're basically under a freaking gag order because of DS lawyers, but if there's any way you could let us (the consumers) know just what in the hell you found it would be much appreciated. Or point us in the right direction. Either way, it'd be nice to know what I was ingesting daily for two months straight.
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I cannot talk about what i found with the latest bottle i tested because of the legal threats from DS. I have a question for users though, simply for my own curiousity. Has anyone noticed any difference from the old lots to the new lots?
 
One would think that a company would happily allow you to discuss findings if it was all legitimate. If there's nothing to hide then there's no reason to threaten
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I cannot talk about what i found with the latest bottle i tested because of the legal threats from DS. I have a question for users though, simply for my own curiousity. Has anyone noticed any difference from the old lots to the new lots?
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YES!!! Not me but I was dumb enough to take craze in the first place and I bought it first month of release. I only took 1 scoop every two weeks because of how powerful it was. I gave it to a friend at a gym that was currently taking the Lemonade flavor or whatever the fuk it is and he said my grape was just fuking insane compared To his bottle and he will actually throw away his lemonade cuz it's garbage compared to the 3/4 bottle of mine left.

Hmmm. I've also seen tons of threads about the same thing on a different forum.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I cannot talk about what i found with the latest bottle i tested because of the legal threats from DS. I have a question for users though, simply for my own curiousity. Has anyone noticed any difference from the old lots to the new lots?
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No. I have some of the old bottles (grape) and the newest flavor (cherry), and their is no difference in feel for me, personally.
 
southpaw23 said:
No. I have some of the old bottles (grape) and the newest flavor (cherry), and their is no difference in feel for me, personally.
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this, no difference and from the numerous lab tests I've seen, I really don't get what the issue is. Any help?
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I cannot talk about what i found with the latest bottle i tested because of the legal threats from DS. I have a question for users though, simply for my own curiousity. Has anyone noticed any difference from the old lots to the new lots?
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All of the lots I have were ordered before Febuary 2012. I see where you're going though. I haven't taken Craze since May and will not take that crap again even if DS took the (alleged) designer PEA's out. Me thinks PA knows a lot more than he's letting on.... Just one man's opinion. It's sad that you can't just come out with your results for fear of litigation. I have suspected for a long time that, with the ****storm Craze has stirred up, a formula change was inevitable. I'm sure the flavor isn't the only thing they've changed. Too bad it won't cover their ass in their ongoing litigation. DS can change the formula but can't take back all of the old lots that were (allegedly) spiked with designer PEA's. Maybe it will take years, but they'll get theirs. It's stuff like this that has the supplement industry on the ropes.
 
Ceredumbellum said:
All of the lots I have were ordered before Febuary 2012. I see where you're going though. I haven't taken Craze since May and will not take that crap again even if DS took the (alleged) designer PEA's out. Me thinks PA knows a lot more than he's letting on.... Just one man's opinion. It's sad that you can't just come out with your results for fear of litigation. I have suspected for a long time that, with the ****storm Craze has stirred up, a formula change was inevitable. I'm sure the flavor isn't the only thing they've changed. Too bad it won't cover their ass in their ongoing litigation. DS can change the formula but can't take back all of the old lots that were (allegedly) spiked with designer PEA's. Maybe it will take years, but they'll get theirs. It's stuff like this that has the supplement industry on the ropes.
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for the record i just asked a question. i thought i would reiterate that
 
SquatOrTwat said:
YES!!! Not me but I was dumb enough to take craze in the first place and I bought it first month of release. I only took 1 scoop every two weeks because of how powerful it was. I gave it to a friend at a gym that was currently taking the Lemonade flavor or whatever the fuk it is and he said my grape was just fuking insane compared To his bottle and he will actually throw away his lemonade cuz it's garbage compared to the 3/4 bottle of mine left.

Hmmm. I've also seen tons of threads about the same thing on a different forum.
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Care to share which forum? I'd like to see this.....
 
Patrick Arnold said:
for the record i just asked a question. i thought i would reiterate that
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Play it safe haha. I'm in law school right now and it's crazy how many times you need to cover your back. Just outright have to say "I am asking a question, and only a question." because lawyers are good at finding the smallest issues in wordibg
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I cannot talk about what i found with the latest bottle i tested because of the legal threats from DS. I have a question for users though, simply for my own curiousity. Has anyone noticed any difference from the old lots to the new lots?
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Bought craze when it very very first came out. Without a doubt there is a difference. The first tub- best workout of my life with energy to spare. Then there was a huge change. Later ones including crazolade- Not motivated I want to lift feeling but a high where I am in a different mindset. 90% of the time I wouldn't even workout. Hence... No more craze for me
 
Patrick Arnold said:
for the record i just asked a question. i thought i would reiterate that
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This.
It's a sad day when we can't have a legitimate discussion about one of the best selling supplements on one of the more popular forums. I know spiking has been going on since the dawn of nutritional supplements but I don't recall a case that has received as much attention as Craze (at least from within the bodybuilding and fitness "community"). I know it was spiked, DS knows it was spiked, PA (even though he can't and won't say as much) knows it was spiked, my girlfriend who watched me bounce off the freaking walls for 12 hours straight after 2 scoops knows it was spiked, everybody that has taken the stuff knows it was spiked. I guess that's fine and dandy, but why not say what's really in it? From what I've been able to gather the designer PEA's that were (allegedly) in Craze are not illegal, so why hide it? Maybe because it wasn't from a natural source or naturally extracted? I don't know. What I do know is this board is the only one I've been able to come to for factual information regarding this and other bodybuilding supplements. Positive, negative or somewhere in between, I know I'm not getting a company line or a bunch of BS here. I can't say that about BB.com or other boards. Hell, the guys over at BB.com have been busy playing reach-around with Cahill and all of his paid board cronies for the last two months on just about every thread regarding Craze and it aggrevates me to no end how they play the public like we're stupid. I'm sure Craze will continue selling big.... Good for DS, but they won't be getting my money. It really sucks that PA feels he can't speak about something we'd all like some information about because of legal threats and the like.

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Patrick Arnold said:
I cannot talk about what i found with the latest bottle i tested because of the legal threats from DS. I have a question for users though, simply for my own curiousity. Has anyone noticed any difference from the old lots to the new lots?
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OMG yes! The first few tubs I went through were outstanding in terms of enhanced focus, mind-muscle connection, etc.. The last two tubs I've used, not so much...was thinking I just built up a tolerance to it.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I cannot talk about what i found with the latest bottle i tested because of the legal threats from DS. I have a question for users though, simply for my own curiousity. Has anyone noticed any difference from the old lots to the new lots?
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I tried Craze for the first time recently (within the past week) and was astoundingly disappointed. I felt NOTHING. I might as well have been drinking a relatively nasty flavor of Crystal Light. FWIW, this was the "Crazolade" (Berry Lemonade) flavor. I know it's not an issue of stimulant tolerance because I almost never take stimulants (or pre-workout products in general for that matter), and the other day, I tried a scoop of a PWO product containing what most would consider to be a standard pre-workout formula (caffeine, tyramine, etc.) and I could definitely feel that I had taken something.

Anybody have an older tub of grape Craze that they want to sell/trade for?

I paid for a product spiked with amphetamines, dammit.
 
there have been numerous threads over at bb.com bringing up an issue about the new craze, everyone says it's a placebo/mindset problem. or if they're new they chalk it as a troll.

i wish there was a way, that all the results would just get wiki leaked. it's pretty easy to black out some names, and upload the tests. :06:
 
How do you know if you have an older batch?

I've got about 4 tubs of grape at home I got in a few sales. I could compare.
 
Docmattic said:
How do you know if you have an older batch?

I've got about 4 tubs of grape at home I got in a few sales. I could compare.
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If its any good then it was old batch.. ;-)
 
thedarce said:
there have been numerous threads over at bb.com bringing up an issue about the new craze, everyone says it's a placebo/mindset problem. or if they're new they chalk it as a troll.
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placebo effect is when you take an inactive compound and feel a physiological effect, and its due to psychological factors

there is no such thing as taking an active compound and not feeling any physiological effect due to psychological factors. it just does not make any sense really
 
Patrick Arnold said:
I cannot talk about what i found with the latest bottle i tested because of the legal threats from DS. I have a question for users though, simply for my own curiousity. Has anyone noticed any difference from the old lots to the new lots?
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Pat, I definitely notice a difference, no doubt about it. I have some old lots and the new flavor. There's definitely a difference between the two besides the flavor.
 
southsideguy said:
Pat, I definitely notice a difference, no doubt about it. I have some old lots and the new flavor. There's definitely a difference between the two besides the flavor.
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In the one ive got left (grape), when i take it, I still get a decent buzz off one scoop and time seems to go faster: as in 30 mins of cardio is up before i know it-usually it just drags on forever. Does that sound about right for the old lot? I took 2 scoops a few times and it made my toung go numb. I haven't noticed that lately but then again, ive only been dosing at one scoop.
 
Docmattic said:
In the one ive got left (grape), when i take it, I still get a decent buzz off one scoop and time seems to go faster: as in 30 mins of cardio is up before i know it-usually it just drags on forever. Does that sound about right for the old lot? I took 2 scoops a few times and it made my toung go numb. .
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tongue go numb. Perhaps DS can tell us which of the ingredients on their label is responsible for that effect
 
Pat, I am glad you asked that question because I was going to ask madchemist about it.

I posted it on another forum, with the grape flavour I had a very strong numbing sensation which felt very similar to a lidocaine spray. With Crazolade I do not notice this. I am confident that I feel less stimulated by the new tub I have despite using it more sparingly than my first tub.

I was reluctant to post it at first because people pull the "company bashing" card which I do not want to be associated with. I bought this with my own money and posted it previously on a UK forum but had no direct replies.
 
bdcc said:
Pat, I am glad you asked that question because I was going to ask madchemist about it.

I posted it on another forum, with the grape flavour I had a very strong numbing sensation which felt very similar to a lidocaine spray. With Crazolade I do not notice this. .
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aw man i wish i could comment!!!
 
bdcc said:
Pat, I am glad you asked that question because I was going to ask madchemist about it.

I posted it on another forum, with the grape flavour I had a very strong numbing sensation which felt very similar to a lidocaine spray. With Crazolade I do not notice this. I am confident that I feel less stimulated by the new tub I have despite using it more sparingly than my first tub.

I was reluctant to post it at first because people pull the "company bashing" card which I do not want to be associated with. I bought this with my own money and posted it previously on a UK forum but had no direct replies.
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Same here, the numbing sensation doesn't happen for me though. Bur I'm tellin ya, the old grape tubs I have and the new crazeloid definitely has different effects, no doubt about it what so ever.

I have no motives here, and I'm not bashing at all. I still purchase other DS products. But there's less stimulated effects in the new flavor vs the old lots of the grape flavor.
 
southsideguy said:
Pat, I definitely notice a difference, no doubt about it. I have some old lots and the new flavor. There's definitely a difference between the two besides the flavor.
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Curious but the old batch and the new batch gave me a solid sense of clarity and focus. I got nothing else out of either batches. Perhaps i respond differently?
 
jamesm11 said:
Not gonna trust a company that publishes its own tests and won't let others test it other than their own chosen labs.

I've taken it and felt the effects, it's got something
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Which did you try as i have gotten only good focus and good clarity, nothing amazingly strange.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
tongue go numb. Perhaps DS can tell us which of the ingredients on their label is responsible for that effect
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I got the tongue numbing affect from both the crazolade and the grape flavor but the difference in potency is definitly there. I can only do 1.5 scoops of the old grape but with the crazolade I am having to have 2 heaped scoops and still feel as if it has little affect. The crazolade does taste better than grape though.
 
southpaw23 said:
No. I have some of the old bottles (grape) and the newest flavor (cherry), and their is no difference in feel for me, personally.
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Same with me. Either i purchased two bunk tubs 3 months apart or there is no "magic" going on here.
 
Ceredumbellum said:
All of the lots I have were ordered before Febuary 2012. I see where you're going though. I haven't taken Craze since May and will not take that crap again even if DS took the (alleged) designer PEA's out. Me thinks PA knows a lot more than he's letting on.... Just one man's opinion. It's sad that you can't just come out with your results for fear of litigation. I have suspected for a long time that, with the ****storm Craze has stirred up, a formula change was inevitable. I'm sure the flavor isn't the only thing they've changed. Too bad it won't cover their ass in their ongoing litigation. DS can change the formula but can't take back all of the old lots that were (allegedly) spiked with designer PEA's. Maybe it will take years, but they'll get theirs. It's stuff like this that has the supplement industry on the ropes.
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Ok, do you have an unopened grape from before feb that you would be willing to trade out or sell? Obviously my tubs were all bunk because i have yet to get all of the side effects that people are reporting.
 
Patrick Arnold said:
tongue go numb. Perhaps DS can tell us which of the ingredients on their label is responsible for that effect
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That's interesting... Come to think of it, I experienced an entire body anesthethic-type feel whenever I would take more than one scoop. I didn't think much about it at the time because the incredible high followed by the awful crash kept me preoccupied wondering just what in the hell was going on with said supplement. But I definately felt the numbness.... 2 scoops and I'd have to force myself to get up and head to the gym because I wanted nothing more than to sit there in a numbing "bliss" for a good hour. Where there's smoke there's fire. It's not a coincedence that multiple people have had strange and adverse reactions to the "old" Craze.
 
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