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DS Craze Lawsuit and FDA Action

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Yeah everything changes and you look at reality in a completely different way!
 
I take 20mg of adderall three times a day during the school year, in addition to caffeinated beverages. I've considered buying some and trying it, because I figure it probably doesn't have amphetamines in it, and if it did, it'd have to have a lot of it in there to mess me up.
 
Damn dude, careful with that much Adderall. 60 mgs is way too much unless you have narcolepsy. May be raking Adderall for school, but won't have to worry about that any more if you start meth with that type if tolerance. No need to study in a crack house or holed up in a hotel for a few days tweaking and getting noid. Meth takes you down quick, especially if you already have a tolerance or predisposition. Not judging as I have had my fun times over the years. Just hate seeing people screw up big time.
 
sarguy said:
I take 20mg of adderall three times a day during the school year, in addition to caffeinated beverages. I've considered buying some and trying it, because I figure it probably doesn't have amphetamines in it, and if it did, it'd have to have a lot of it in there to mess me up.
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good lord that is a lot of adderall. u might have a problem there
 
Patrick Arnold said:
good lord that is a lot of adderall. u might have a problem there
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That's as high of a dose as I'm willing to go for my ADHD. Obviously I'm pretty insensitive to it. That, or there's just two smoking craters where my adrenal glands were. And oddly enough, coming off of it presents much fewer issues than trying to get off of caffeine. I've even played with types of food to eat or avoid to maximize absorption, but I don't experience much of a change. I had been considering trying Craze specifically because I could care less about a stim feeling; I'm looking for foc-HEY, A KITTY!
 
sarguy said:
I take 20mg of adderall three times a day during the school year, in addition to caffeinated beverages. I've considered buying some and trying it, because I figure it probably doesn't have amphetamines in it, and if it did, it'd have to have a lot of it in there to mess me up.
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Holy crap man. I take 30mg ED for my ADHD and I couldn't really imagine taking 60mg a day. I'd be cracked out.
 
broda said:
Holy crap man. I take 30mg ED for my ADHD and I couldn't really imagine taking 60mg a day. I'd be cracked out.
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I can't imagine actually taking 60 all at once, but 60 over the course of the day works ok. 20 mg made me a little tachy for the first three days or so, but after that, meh. It helps me get thru math and such. I skip doses prior to workouts, tho, as I prefer not to find the upper limits of my personal hemodynamic stability.
 
sarguy said:
I can't imagine actually taking 60 all at once, but 60 over the course of the day works ok. 20 mg made me a little tachy for the first three days or so, but after that, meh. It helps me get thru math and such. I skip doses prior to workouts, tho, as I prefer not to find the upper limits of my personal hemodynamic stability.
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That's kind of weird since 20mg doesn't do a whole lot for me. I have the 30mg Extended Release and that will keep me good for mostly the rest of the day. The only thing that sucks is that is suppresses the hell out of my appetite so sometimes I don't even realize it when I'm not eating.
 
broda said:
That's kind of weird since 20mg doesn't do a whole lot for me. I have the 30mg Extended Release and that will keep me good for mostly the rest of the day. The only thing that sucks is that is suppresses the hell out of my appetite so sometimes I don't even realize it when I'm not eating.
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I enjoy food too much. :p I am kind of odd; EC feels much more anorectic than adderall.
 
Bunch of crack heads up in this bitch! I can't say much I'm stimmed out most of my days.
 
sarguy said:
That's as high of a dose as I'm willing to go for my ADHD. Obviously I'm pretty insensitive to it. That, or there's just two smoking craters where my adrenal glands were.
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adderall doesnt depend upon any adrenal hormones (corticosteroids or catecholamines) for its stimulation. it acts directly in the brain
 
sarguy said:
I can't imagine actually taking 60 all at once, but 60 over the course of the day works ok. 20 mg made me a little tachy for the first three days or so, but after that, meh. It helps me get thru math and such. I skip doses prior to workouts, tho, as I prefer not to find the upper limits of my personal hemodynamic stability.
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That was like taking 100mg Vyvanse when studying for finals. #neveragain
 
As someone who has past experience with amphetamines, craze is not at all like them for this individual. Honestly an ecy stack gives me more dopaminergic activity than craze ever does.
 
FDA is going too far and its out of control IMO... they should act over drugs like coke or heroin even tobacco (wich cause cancer)... DRUGS WIDELY USED!... FDA only feeds underground companies and put us on greater risk (because if something exists, will always exist and other persons can manufacture it)... whats next?... i picture every FDA member as a fat stressed person, angry with the world, product of the society (no insults intended, but i say this because it seems that FDA forgot about health and overall well being, seeing that obessity is a major problem nowdays and yet they dont take action o fast food companies)..FDA LEAVE US ALONE PLEASE TEHRES MORE TO DO OUT THERE!... oh, and alcohol is still causing tons of problems tho and i can stock up on alcohol everytime i please... just sayin ...

i listened to the super human radio episode about craze... the owner seems a very dedicated person, he also said some of his family members used craze and that its perfectly safe... craze seems pretty solid and ill definetly get some...i dont know whats FDA deal
 
KenTheEagle said:
FDA is going too far and its out of control IMO... they should act over drugs like coke or heroin even tobacco (wich cause cancer)... DRUGS WIDELY USED!..
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Thats not under their jurisdiction (other than tobacco). The DEA handles controlled drugs of abuse
 
Patrick Arnold said:
Thats not under their jurisdiction (other than tobacco). The DEA handles controlled drugs of abuse
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You are right, anyways, seeing that they want to play the "hero" role, they could start from there since they want to help society that much LOL (sarcasm)...
by the way Patrick, nice to see you around, im kind of new to this forum, but ive read some of your articles-posts wich help on my research, very informative, cheers! :)
 
Knew this was always a witch hunt from the get go and much to do about nothing, at least until the next supplement novella hits.
 
Not gonna trust a company that publishes its own tests and won't let others test it other than their own chosen labs.

I've taken it and felt the effects, it's got something
 
jamesm11 said:
Not gonna trust a company that publishes its own tests and won't let others test it other than their own chosen labs.

I've taken it and felt the effects, it's got something
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Well, have you ever tried the Craze energy blend outside of Craze itself? If you didn't you have no basis of comparison and nothing that will tell you whether it's "got something" or not. The product works. Haters will hate.
 
KerplunkDS said:
Well, have you ever tried the Craze energy blend outside of Craze itself? If you didn't you have no basis of comparison and nothing that will tell you whether it's "got something" or not. The product works. Haters will hate.
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What a stupid question. How in the hell would I be able to use all of those ingredients? It'd be nearly impossible for an individual to obtain everything. Plus it's a proprietary blend so I couldn't actually know the amounts.

Rhetorical questions make you look like an ass. I took this, have personal experience with this product and it feels like amphetamines. People wouldn't be saying this all over the Internet otherwise. It's not some grand conspiracy to take down a company like DS. People have experienced bad effects. FACT.
 
jamesm11 said:
What a stupid question. How in the hell would I be able to use all of those ingredients? It'd be nearly impossible for an individual to obtain everything. Plus it's a proprietary blend so I couldn't actually know the amounts.

Rhetorical questions make you look like an ass. I took this, have personal experience with this product and it feels like amphetamines. People wouldn't be saying this all over the Internet otherwise. It's not some grand conspiracy to take down a company like DS. People have experienced bad effects. FACT.
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People have bad experiences will kinds of products. "Feels like Amphetamines". Do you use Adderall? Do you realize how similar CNS stimulant can be easily mistaken?

I took a dose of E/C and it felt like Adderall to me.


The e/c must have been "spiked" with something.




Here's your sign.
 
Oh here is some more info for you.


For those of you who werent at my house for the 4th of July when Dan and I discussed this, an 8 week, 40 person, double blind placebo controlled safety study was done using the exact Energy Blend (Dendrobex, PEA HCL, Citramine and Caffeine) in Craze. The results showed that there was no statistical difference between the EB and maltodextrin. And there was a strong positive trend towards weight loss (EB group lost 8lbs IIRC vs none in the control). We are in the process of trying to get the study published and have since started 2 more studies on the entire Craze formula for safety and efficacy in both acute and chronic use.
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Tmac29 said:
People have bad experiences will kinds of products. "Feels like Amphetamines". Do you use Adderall? Do you realize how similar CNS stimulant can be easily mistaken?

I took a dose of E/C and it felt like Adderall to me.


The e/c must have been "spiked" with something.




Here's your sign.
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n00b
 
No way I'm running through 56 pages but CRAZE seems to be up for sale still. All is good. CRAZE LIVES ON.


You could always pop an ephedrine with a decent pre-workout. If CRAZE ever does get kicked....
 
I have a tub of craze,grape..all i know is my energy,pumps and focus is like nothing i have ever used...But man,i take 1 scoop at 230pm before gym and i cant sleep,im restless and antsy,anxious...i love what it offers during training but post workout,idk man..Not diggin it too much to be honest...Its some serious ****,lol
 
Jay888999 said:
I have a tub of craze,grape..all i know is my energy,pumps and focus is like nothing i have ever used...But man,i take 1 scoop at 230pm before gym and i cant sleep,im restless and antsy,anxious...i love what it offers during training but post workout,idk man..Not diggin it too much to be honest...Its some serious ****,lol
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Great pre workout... I agree. I can't sleep with it no matter what time I take it. Sleep is just as important as training. I guess it can defeat the purpose in some cases .
 
Mission1 said:
Great pre workout... I agree. I can't sleep with it no matter what time I take it. Sleep is just as important as training. I guess it can defeat the purpose in some cases .
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Dude,I agree man...its every time i use it i cant sleep...I was up til 145am last night..I have to be at work by 7am and do construction man,i was exhausted today...all the other times im up til 12-1 am..

I am only going to use this on weekends or days off work when i can get to the gym at 9am-10am or I can just cut it down to 1/2-3/4 scoop and see how it goes.Im going to get some caffeine pills for pre workout,thats always worked well for me..can take it on days i dont take craze.

interested in MM as well,but looking for samples,which is impossible to get.i really just dont like spending $30-$40 on stuff i never tried,cause a lot of these supps out there are bogus man or just dont work for me.
 
Jay888999 said:
Dude,I agree man...its every time i use it i cant sleep...I was up til 145am last night..I have to be at work by 7am and do construction man,i was exhausted today...all the other times im up til 12-1 am..

i figured what i am going to do.I am only going to use this on weekends or days off work when i can get to the gym at 9am-10am...expiration date is like 2 years from now...ill use this up in 3-4 months if thats how i run it.Which is how i will run..pick myself up some caffeine pills for pre workout,thats always worked well for me.
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Definitely weekends and morning workouts. For me some parts of the supplement wear off and other parts stay active.... It's like waiting for the switch to turn off. Sometimes you can lay there and your head won't shutdown but your body is. Weird feeling.
 
Mission1 said:
Definitely weekends and morning workouts. For me some parts of the supplement wear off and other parts stay active.... It's like waiting for the switch to turn off. Sometimes you can lay there and your head won't shutdown but your body is. Weird feeling.
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Thats how i felt last night.

I layed down about 1100,passed out 2-3 times for like 10 mins each had some funky like weird quick dreams and kept waking up then feeling wide awake.I laid in bed for damn ear 3hrs tossing and turning,it was aggravating.At 1045 i was yawning.Took all my vits before bed and usually im out. I had like full energy bro.

i dont know what chems do what,but whatever the deal is the portions need to be changed.I actually heard the grape is discontinued and the ingredients were changed.thats just what i heard..I havent looked into it to be honest.
 
Jay888999 said:
Thats how i felt last night.

I layed down about 1100,passed out 2-3 times for like 10 mins each had some funky like weird quick dreams and kept waking up then feeling wide awake.I laid in bed for damn ear 3hrs tossing and turning,it was aggravating.At 1045 i was yawning.Took all my vits before bed and usually im out. I had like full energy bro.

i dont know what chems do what,but whatever the deal is the portions need to be changed.I actually heard the grape is discontinued and the ingredients were changed.thats just what i heard..I havent looked into it to be honest.
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I have the original grape. I put it in my gas take a week ago and I haven't filled up yet and my car won't turn off either:)
 
regardless if theres something in it or not, the more HIGH you feel, the more drug-like it is and most likely worse side effects. short term an/or long trerm. its like saying theres a safe product that acts like steroids. theres not. The more the "high" or "effects", generally the worse the issue gets. I believe everything is fine. but dont over abuse it and you should be fine. at least we arent doing meth or cocaine or heroin. I mean im sure heroin isn't that bad for you, right? WRONG. because one time turns into addiction. If people could do it one time and walk away from it, we could enjoy every drug at various points. But certain things just shouldn't be touched and they can wreck your whole life because you turn to them and rely on them to push you through whatever you want to get through. And you then can't go without them. Take for example, i use to never use caffeine for workouts. I use to do them maybe once a week, and all my workouts were smooth with or without caffeine. The more and more i used it on a daily basis, the more i felt i needed them for my workouts. And then when i went in to workout without a pre workout supplement i couldn't do it (i could, but barely any motivation, music sucked, and just left early feeling like i needed the caffeien buzz). So i took time off stims and now working out without them isn't as fun, but i do it and still perform great while loving the workouts unlike before. Please, everything in moderation people, and throw things away that are addictive. Treat everything you have like its your baby and it will treat you back with great rewards...... sorry, got on a HUGE rant. No, im not on craze, but i did take some stim free focus xt a couple hours ago. I really like it, although it initially gives me a little headache. I recommend it though :)
 
Jay888999 said:
I have a tub of craze,grape..all i know is my energy,pumps and focus is like nothing i have ever used...But man,i take 1 scoop at 230pm before gym and i cant sleep,im restless and antsy,anxious...i love what it offers during training but post workout,idk man..Not diggin it too much to be honest...Its some serious ****,lol
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This was the same for me - I was hitting PB's in the Gym and was all good for the first 2 weeks, Then after that i was on 2 scoops and it didnt have the same effect and the anxiety it was giving me, man felt like i was literally going Crazy, also it seemed to mess with my libido, I have took many supplements and never had a reaction, This one though WOW!
 
Definitely diminished effects for me with continued use. I currently take 2 scoops pre-workout and get almost nothing from it! :( Gonna take a break from all stims soon and come back to Craze after a couple months to see if it gives me the same effect that it did when i first started taking it.
 
Melo7 said:
This was the same for me - I was hitting PB's in the Gym and was all good for the first 2 weeks, Then after that i was on 2 scoops and it didnt have the same effect and the anxiety it was giving me, man felt like i was literally going Crazy, also it seemed to mess with my libido, I have took many supplements and never had a reaction, This one though WOW!
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Dude,the pumps are great,doxus energy..Honeatly i seem to het stronger through my workout,instwad of fatiguing...a geeat product to train.if they can somehow get thw atims a bit better in check.This would be a prfct product.I never thought id say that about a pre workout or really any supp..as i was anti supps for many many yrs,til recently
 
I have a couple tubs of Craze, which I adore....however, I will be honest, I am loving this Jack3d micro....a lot! NO stim dick, clean energy, great pump, and I can go to sleep easily at night.
 
So...

its been a while since Ive been in this post.

So what ever happened here with this lawsuit other than DS selling a SH*T TON of Craze???

looks like my post on page 1 was correct.... over-hyped BS to sell a ton of product !!!!

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
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