Down the toilet

Told ya :)

My girlfriend of 4 years recently took off from me too. And I also have no friends. So If anyone wants to message me, I could use a friend right now. We'll talk about lifting and ****. hahahahah /sob

no really though. :(


Was she the same one you were talking about in your no friends thread not too long ago ?
 
I think the majority of "nice" guys have been put through something similar to both Brian's story and Hurleyboy's. And its something that I had to live through, and then try to figure out. And it took a long time before I got it. Women do not want someone to treat them like a princess...it's too much like a puppy dog mentality. They want someone who will treat them like an equal, and share their life with. Not a man who will devote their life to them. Just my 2 cents, without going into a long drawn out post.

Brian, I'm sorry to hear about your issues. But the best advice is to deal with it however you feel best. As in the end, you'll have to live with your decisions. And we all learn best from our own experiences/mistakes.

Hurley dude, that blows. I had something pretty similar. Only she left me because she "loved" me, but she "loved" this other, more muscular, better looking, more popular dude (this was in college no less). It didn't make any sense then, but it does now. She was no good. However, we were both chem e's so I still was forced to study with her, do homework with her, be in class all day with her, while she talked about how great her new boyfriend was. Ironically, it was soon after this that I did my first cycle, in which, upon finding out she threatened to tell my parents. I only found out a few days later, that her new boyfriend had been using gear for the past 3 years for baseball.

RenegadeRows, bro pick up the book "the Game" by Neil Strauss as suggested earlier in this thread by Australian Made. I wouldn't go as far as calling it a "bible', but it will help to put some things in perspective and make starting/reviving a social life much easier. I highly recommend it, as I read it during a low period in my life and was able to make the necessary changes to get my normal, social life back in order.

Good luck to all you gents.
 
I think the majority of "nice" guys have been put through something similar to both Brian's story and Hurleyboy's. And its something that I had to live through, and then try to figure out. And it took a long time before I got it. Women do not want someone to treat them like a princess...it's too much like a puppy dog mentality. They want someone who will treat them like an equal, and share their life with. Not a man who will devote their life to them. Just my 2 cents, without going into a long drawn out post.

Brian, I'm sorry to hear about your issues. But the best advice is to deal with it however you feel best. As in the end, you'll have to live with your decisions. And we all learn best from our own experiences/mistakes.

Hurley dude, that blows. I had something pretty similar. Only she left me because she "loved" me, but she "loved" this other, more muscular, better looking, more popular dude (this was in college no less). It didn't make any sense then, but it does now. She was no good. However, we were both chem e's so I still was forced to study with her, do homework with her, be in class all day with her, while she talked about how great her new boyfriend was. Ironically, it was soon after this that I did my first cycle, in which, upon finding out she threatened to tell my parents. I only found out a few days later, that her new boyfriend had been using gear for the past 3 years for baseball.

RenegadeRows, bro pick up the book "the Game" by Neil Strauss as suggested earlier in this thread by Australian Made. I wouldn't go as far as calling it a "bible', but it will help to put some things in perspective and make starting/reviving a social life much easier. I highly recommend it, as I read it during a low period in my life and was able to make the necessary changes to get my normal, social life back in order.

Good luck to all you gents.

Thanks for the advice my man. Your totally right about the princess thing. Thats what I did to mine
 
RenegadeRows, bro pick up the book "the Game" by Neil Strauss as suggested earlier in this thread by Australian Made. I wouldn't go as far as calling it a "bible', but it will help to put some things in perspective and make starting/reviving a social life much easier. I highly recommend it, as I read it during a low period in my life and was able to make the necessary changes to get my normal, social life back in order.

Good luck to all you gents.

That book was a huge help to me. Was going through a sh1tty breakup and after reading that i saw the upside to everything i'd just been put through. It made me more confident with girls and more importantly more confident with my job and everyday life in general.
 
Yeah, after you suggested it australian, I downloaded it yesterday, and I'll probably start reading it today. And thanks for the help guys, I'll get through it one way or another. And the cycle will probably give me something better to focus my attention on.
 
Yeah, after you suggested it australian, I downloaded it yesterday, and I'll probably start reading it today. And thanks for the help guys, I'll get through it one way or another. And the cycle will probably give me something better to focus my attention on.
Thats it exaclty. Finding something to take your mind off all the sh1tty stuff.
 
Man, it's better to know this about her now, as painful as it is right now. I've been blindsided before, and it always hurts.

Ya, it hurts right now. But, it's MUCH better than knowing this several years down the road, with the possibility of kids and joint property coming into play.

In any relationship theres 3 phases:

1. Honeymoon phase:the person is perfect
2. disillusion/reality check: the person ISINT perfect
3. recommitment or/breakup: why am I in this in the first place?


Looks like instead of choosing to re-commit, shes choosing the other route.


Billy Graham's(famous evangelist) wife, Ruth Graham was asked about if in all the years she ever thought about divorcing him:
She said: "Divorce? No.... Murder many times, but never divorce."
 
I think the majority of "nice" guys have been put through something similar to both Brian's story and Hurleyboy's.

RenegadeRows, bro pick up the book "the Game" by Neil Strauss as suggested earlier in this thread by Australian Made. I wouldn't go as far as calling it a "bible', but it will help to put some things in perspective and make starting/reviving a social life much easier. I highly recommend it, as I read it during a low period in my life and was able to make the necessary changes to get my normal, social life back in order.

Good luck to all you gents.


I highly reccomend it as well. It opened my eyes to what is really going on, and what's possible. I'm "commmunity" as well.:thumbsup:

Check out Invalid Link Removed I'm on there. I wont tell you my name, but the avvy is the same :)
 
I think the majority of "nice" guys have been put through something similar to both Brian's story and Hurleyboy's. And its something that I had to live through, and then try to figure out. And it took a long time before I got it. Women do not want someone to treat them like a princess...it's too much like a puppy dog mentality. They want someone who will treat them like an equal, and share their life with. Not a man who will devote their life to them. Just my 2 cents, without going into a long drawn out post.

Well, theres that old saying, "Nice guys finish last." Actually it isn't that far off. I learned after my experience that being the nice guy makes girls "like you" but being semi-standoffish or kinda cocky (not too much of an assh0le) and they seem to "want you". It all comes down to the people involved though, what works with one chick, doesn't always, and more than likely won't work with another. You just gotta find one that'll blend well and put up with you for awhile, then maybe she might start to actually care for you. :)
 
Well, theres that old saying, "Nice guys finish last." Actually it isn't that far off. I learned after my experience that being the nice guy makes girls "like you" but being semi-standoffish or kinda cocky (not too much of an assh0le) and they seem to "want you". It all comes down to the people involved though, what works with one chick, doesn't always, and more than likely won't work with another. You just gotta find one that'll blend well and put up with you for awhile, then maybe she might start to actually care for you. :)
Women are like guy in the respect that they want what they think they can't have. Its the game in them to try to get what they want.

I've been able to get a girl away from her date out at the clubs before. Just by doing a few little things, but specifically by not mobbing her. Women are fickle, but if you can get it figured out the chase is kind of fun. Its like fishing. Got to find what technique works for what you're trying to land.
 
lots of it is age too. Sadly we probably aren't best suited mentally to start long term relationships till we are in our late 30s (and to be able to raise children well till we are in our 40s) but the biological imperatives cause us to start way earlier.

Not that everyone older is more mature, plenty manage to just age. But the odds are better.
 
There are 2 things that need to be taken a look at:


1. Are you looking for a comitted relationship ?
2. Or are you just looking for 'play' ?


The 'player' type approach will get you #2.

The 'nice guy' approach will get you #1.

Realistically, #1 does not have a good success rate till you are old (40+)
 
See, I've always wanted a committed relationship. Playing boosts my self-esteem and confidence, and so does flirting, but I haven't really had the good feeling of security and satisfaction unless its been in a committed relationship. I don't know why, but playing makes me feel good, it just leaves me feeling empty in the end if you know what I mean. I guess maybe I need to change my mindset or something.
 
See, I've always wanted a committed relationship. Playing boosts my self-esteem and confidence, and so does flirting, but I haven't really had the good feeling of security and satisfaction unless its been in a committed relationship. I don't know why, but playing makes me feel good, it just leaves me feeling empty in the end if you know what I mean. I guess maybe I need to change my mindset or something.

Honestly you don't..you just need to find someone who wants the same things you do. I've been cheated on and played by guys as well. Its just a sad part of weeding out the people who are not for you.

I know plenty of women who want commited relationships. Sadly the heart and the head are not always in sync. You can love someone and it makes you blind to their faults, or you hope they change. So you stay too long and you get hurt. Their fault? Or yours? But when the right person comes along then it makes it worth it. I get tired of the women bashing because just as many men are players... Give it time and keep your eyes open, it will all work out.
 
I apologize if I offended you, but it puts me in a bad position. I have done nothing but give respect to women my whole life. I am respectful, cordial, and have been accused of being chivalrous (if it should be called an accusation lol). And yet I have yet to find a single woman to treat me right. I get cheated on, and treated like dirt. Even my fiance, for most of our relationship she's been somewhat repectful and treated me well. But sometimes it truly comes out, even when I remain calm.

I'm not saying that there is no such thing as men players, thats a naive statement, what I'm saying is through what I have seen, the guys who really want to do right by a woman, get treated the worst. The guys that most women call "keepers" do their best, give it their all, and get stabbed in the back. And I don't believe PUA's are just born. They have to get into a mindset that makes them not care any more. And I can almost bet you anything that most any PUA has had a turning point. Maybe some won't admit it, but its probably happened. Most of the time from what I've seen, they get played repeatedly by women, even when they meant to give those women everything. So they give up on trying to find a meaningful relationship, and go for what they may feel women are good for-sex and not much else. Like I said before, I'm not sexist, and that's not my view, but I can see how someone may come to that conclusion. And I know that there are probably plenty of women out there that would be loyal, caring, honest, and determined people, but from what I've seen, the others definately outnumber the keepers.
 
And I apologize to anyone that that may offend, but I am struggling as hard as I can not to become bitter over everything, and not to become sexist. It's a hard position for any person to be in, especially if they have a high respect and view upon the group of people who treat them the worst.
 
I can't imagine that you offended anyone, you are in a rough and painful spot right now, not of your own choosing.
 
You didn't offend me. Just remember to keep your perspective so you don't lower yourself to become those you despise...If you allow it to sour you then what happens if you do meet the girl thats right but you have changed the good things and she passes you by?

Let me just say this..I was beaten and raped at 16yrs old. I fought to keep it from changing me. If I had I would be worthless at relationships. I have been cheated on and hurt since then. Most of the guys left me because they didn't want commitment and it freaked them out to be treated right...well guess what? As much as it hurt, they were not the right ones for me. So I pushed on and on until it did work for me. Just like bodybuilding being a hard thing to mantain, but being worth the effort if you do it. Relationships are the same..you have to keep at it and make sure you keep your morals and integrity, you owe it to the people who will love you for it.
 
I'd say to hell with her, and put your energy into the cycle. Once she's said something like that, it likely means she has another person already in mind for the "serious relationship with someone else"


exactly
 
I apologize if I offended you, but it puts me in a bad position. I have done nothing but give respect to women my whole life. I am respectful, cordial, and have been accused of being chivalrous (if it should be called an accusation lol). And yet I have yet to find a single woman to treat me right. I get cheated on, and treated like dirt. Even my fiance, for most of our relationship she's been somewhat repectful and treated me well. But sometimes it truly comes out, even when I remain calm.

I'm not saying that there is no such thing as men players, thats a naive statement, what I'm saying is through what I have seen, the guys who really want to do right by a woman, get treated the worst. The guys that most women call "keepers" do their best, give it their all, and get stabbed in the back. And I don't believe PUA's are just born. They have to get into a mindset that makes them not care any more. And I can almost bet you anything that most any PUA has had a turning point. Maybe some won't admit it, but its probably happened. Most of the time from what I've seen, they get played repeatedly by women, even when they meant to give those women everything. So they give up on trying to find a meaningful relationship, and go for what they may feel women are good for-sex and not much else. Like I said before, I'm not sexist, and that's not my view, but I can see how someone may come to that conclusion. And I know that there are probably plenty of women out there that would be loyal, caring, honest, and determined people, but from what I've seen, the others definately outnumber the keepers.

I like the use of PUA. You'l bew fine my friend. Just get some sarging under your belt:lol:
 
You didn't offend me. Just remember to keep your perspective so you don't lower yourself to become those you despise...If you allow it to sour you then what happens if you do meet the girl thats right but you have changed the good things and she passes you by?

Let me just say this..I was beaten and raped at 16yrs old. I fought to keep it from changing me. If I had I would be worthless at relationships. I have been cheated on and hurt since then. Most of the guys left me because they didn't want commitment and it freaked them out to be treated right...well guess what? As much as it hurt, they were not the right ones for me. So I pushed on and on until it did work for me. Just like bodybuilding being a hard thing to mantain, but being worth the effort if you do it. Relationships are the same..you have to keep at it and make sure you keep your morals and integrity, you owe it to the people who will love you for it.

That's a serious struggle to overcome. I'm feeling a little better about everything thinking about being on my own. I seem to feel better about it when I'm in a social atmosphere and around other people... But that is more than anyone should ever have to go through Crader. Aren't you married to someone on this board now?
 
That's a serious struggle to overcome. I'm feeling a little better about everything thinking about being on my own. I seem to feel better about it when I'm in a social atmosphere and around other people... But that is more than anyone should ever have to go through Crader. Aren't you married to someone on this board now?


Yes, Dsade. I'm a little more wary of my surroundings but that is all. I've learned that you can't hold all guys responsible. There are good and bad. Its like shopping in that it takes awhile to get the perfect fit.
 
I feel for you my friend. I am in the midst of a similar situation, the difference being I've been married for 18 years, and there are kids involved. It is extremely important that you maintain the high road here. Being vindictive or retaliatory will not ease the hurt. As I have learned, there are many insightful people on this board willing to give advise. Sort through it all and choose the best course of action for you. Things have a way of working themselves out. I have already heard from my estranged wife that her life away from home is not as rosy as she had anticipated. Good luck to you.
 
So she says she was just moody and apologized about it. Seems everythings somewhat normal but I'm feeling its just the calm before the storm. She's talkin about a couple of other guys and I'm thinking a cheat is coming up soon. I'll call it off if I sense a single thing is amiss... Just wanted to give an update, and I wanted to thank you guys for being there. It's much appreciated and it really means a lot to me.
 
Sigh, don't worry bro hopefully you can look back on this and ask yourself "why didn't I listen to them?" in a bit. Have fun I'm sure everything will be fine

Neo: What?
Oracle: You're going to have to make a choice. In the one hand you'll have Morpheus' life and in the other hand you'll have your own. One of you is going to die. Which one will be up to you. I'm sorry, kiddo, I really am. You have a good soul, and I hate giving good people bad news. Oh, don't worry about it. As soon as you step outside that door, you'll start feeling better. You'll remember you don't believe in any of this fate crap. You're in control of your own life, remember? Here, take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it, you'll feel right as rain.
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I'd say to hell with her, and put your energy into the cycle. Once she's said something like that, it likely means she has another person already in mind for the "serious relationship with someone else"

x2.. aw hell, x10. Anyway use that as motivation. Hit the weights hard. You'll have someone way better before you know it. Depending on how hard you hit it, you'll probably meet her at the gym :D
 
Well an update guys. It got a little worse and I told her it's time for a break (aka I'm not coming back just won't let her know that) so we're basically done for from here. Plus, I'm still young, and there's gotta be someone better suited for me anyways right? That and I just started my cycle (which will be p-plex/m-drol instead of halo and m-drol) so I have something to keep my mind off of it anyways. It's just hard after you have all of these plans that you were expecting, and thought everything was going to work out. But I've still got a lot of time left to find the right one;) And thanks again for being there guys, means a lot to me.
 
Most definately. At least I haven't go the financial problems of divorce.

Yeah, I work with a woman who is in here 60's, rapidly approaching retirement age, and her POS freeloading drunk husband wants a freaking divorce, after 30 something years of marriage. Glad that isn't you.
 
Sounds like you made the right decision man. I know it's kinda' tough right now, but it's good you have the cycle to concentrate on and keep your mind going. Hell, if this stack goes over good for you, you'll have all summer to show off and get some of the "fairer sex's" attention! Good luck dude! :thumbsup:
 
same exact thing just happened to me. Girl flaked out on me after 2 years. "what if" "idont know if i can settle down" "only seriously dated you" blah blah the whole grass is greener on the otherside ****. Basically threw me under the bus and f'd me over. She even strung me along for a good 4 months after. Basically, if she's thinking like that now, i'd just cut my losses and move on. Took me way too long after the fact and getting played to realize you can't change her. At 23 i'm done with relationships for awhile. Mine as well go play while we can.
Gluck man, I know it sucks
 
Sounds like you made the right decision man. I know it's kinda' tough right now, but it's good you have the cycle to concentrate on and keep your mind going. Hell, if this stack goes over good for you, you'll have all summer to show off and get some of the "fairer sex's" attention! Good luck dude! :thumbsup:

Yeah haha, time to head to the beach baby! Now if I could just get the horizontal lines on my abs to show...:)
 
same exact thing just happened to me. Girl flaked out on me after 2 years. "what if" "idont know if i can settle down" "only seriously dated you" blah blah the whole grass is greener on the otherside ****. Basically threw me under the bus and f'd me over. She even strung me along for a good 4 months after. Basically, if she's thinking like that now, i'd just cut my losses and move on. Took me way too long after the fact and getting played to realize you can't change her. At 23 i'm done with relationships for awhile. Mine as well go play while we can.
Gluck man, I know it sucks

Sounds almost exactly the same, same age too... Well hey man, what can you do? I guess we have to understand that the majority (not using absolutes Crader:) )of women don't want to settle down at this age. I've tried to help her, and do everything but I've finally realized it's time to start looking after my own interests, I've been looking after hers for far too long now.
 
Yeah, I work with a woman who is in here 60's, rapidly approaching retirement age, and her POS freeloading drunk husband wants a freaking divorce, after 30 something years of marriage. Glad that isn't you.

( I apologize now for not using multiple quotes, for some reason it's not working today for me) Yeah, so am I. And thats pretty low especially doing that to someone so close to retirement age, when it's time to settle down and enjoy what little time you have left... Low man, really low...
 
Women are being portrayed somewhat unfairly here, but it is understandable. However, when you put our social actions back within a biological context, what happened in this situation and many others does not seem callous, but expected. Think of the roles of males and females in terms of species survival (both in other species, and others):

Males - procreate as much as possible, with multiple partners, in order to ensure the succession of genes. Protect pack, and assert dominance over other males in order to gain prominent mating role (alpha-male). In other words, quantity of offspring/genes.

Females - ensure mating with only the most dominant males. Entrusted with the gestation and care of offspring, so mate choice becomes highly dependent on survival value. This is where the dominant male is appealing. Here, quality of genes is important.

Social mating in a contemporary sense gets pretty tricky, as these instinctual and neural-hormonal reflexes get muddied with social constructs such as love and gender roles. You have to understand, whether she knows it or not your girl (and everybody else's girl for that matter) is constantly reassessing the value you pose to her in terms of her survival, and the survival of her potential offspring. This may seem callous, but callous implies conscious intent, and this is primarily biological. If your girl cheated on you with another man 3 years into a relationship, it's because the survival value you once posed to her (which can be in terms of power, trustworthiness, dominance, leadership, respect, friendship) seemed lesser compared to the value of another.

All this heartache is avoided simply by being the person your girlfriend wants and needs; I'm not telling you to change yourself, but simply to project the best self possible, to be the cliche 'alpha-male'. Whether we males like it or not, WE are burdened with the responsibility of attraction and care, that is simply the way it is. You will always have to work to attract them and keep them, this is the way we have become the earth's dominant species. Rather than fight biology and instinct, and ascribe intention to actions, work within it. Realize what you have to do to the cliche 'alpha-male' and you'll avoid a lot of heartache.

An 'alpha-male' doesn't mean being misogynistic and rude, either. It means caring for your partner in the highest capacity possible, while still being assertive and true to yourself. Also, if you remit all assertiveness and dominance within a relationship, she will assume you're weak, thereby decreasing your value and moving on.

EDIT:

As an example, have you ever seen some hideous dude with a beautiful woman and thought "what the hell?". This cannot simply be ascribed to money, but at times it is the underpinning of high capital -power. By whatever means, that hideous male has projected a powerful, confident, and dominant self to that female, thereby convincing her that her chances of survival and reproduction are high with this male. This can be done by something as easy as a girl watching you protect a friend, pay a bill for a buddy, or speak to her friends dead-on to disarm them.
 
Women are being portrayed somewhat unfairly here, but it is understandable. However, when you put our social actions back within a biological context, what happened in this situation and many others does not seem callous, but expected. Think of the roles of males and females in terms of species survival (both in other species, and others):

Males - procreate as much as possible, with multiple partners, in order to ensure the succession of genes. Protect pack, and assert dominance over other males in order to gain prominent mating role (alpha-male). In other words, quantity of offspring/genes.

Females - ensure mating with only the most dominant males. Entrusted with the gestation and care of offspring, so mate choice becomes highly dependent on survival value. This is where the dominant male is appealing. Here, quality of genes is important.

Social mating in a contemporary sense gets pretty tricky, as these instinctual and neural-hormonal reflexes get muddied with social constructs such as love and gender roles. You have to understand, whether she knows it or not your girl (and everybody else's girl for that matter) is constantly reassessing the value you pose to her in terms of her survival, and the survival of her potential offspring. This may seem callous, but callous implies conscious intent, and this is primarily biological. If your girl cheated on you with another man 3 years into a relationship, it's because the survival value you once posed to her (which can be in terms of power, trustworthiness, dominance, leadership, respect, friendship) seemed lesser compared to the value of another.

All this heartache is avoided simply by being the person your girlfriend wants and needs; I'm not telling you to change yourself, but simply to project the best self possible, to be the cliche 'alpha-male'. Whether we males like it or not, WE are burdened with the responsibility of attraction and care, that is simply the way it is. You will always have to work to attract them and keep them, this is the way we have become the earth's dominant species. Rather than fight biology and instinct, and ascribe intention to actions, work within it. Realize what you have to do to the cliche 'alpha-male' and you'll avoid a lot of heartache.

An 'alpha-male' doesn't mean being misogynistic and rude, either. It means caring for your partner in the highest capacity possible, while still being assertive and true to yourself. Also, if you remit all assertiveness and dominance within a relationship, she will assume you're weak, thereby decreasing your value and moving on.

EDIT:

As an example, have you ever seen some hideous dude with a beautiful woman and thought "what the hell?". This cannot simply be ascribed to money, but at times it is the underpinning of high capital -power. By whatever means, that hideous male has projected a powerful, confident, and dominant self to that female, thereby convincing her that her chances of survival and reproduction are high with this male. This can be done by something as easy as a girl watching you protect a friend, pay a bill for a buddy, or speak to her friends dead-on to disarm them.


We have all just been officially owned!! :)

Just playin' Mullet. I agree, and if I came across as blaming my ex that was not my intention. I know I have to do my part to make myself appealing, but must also maintain that image if I want to be what a girl is looking for. It's really just a mindset IMO, like bodybuilding - it's only gonna work if you take the time to learn about it, practice hard at it, and give it all 100% of your effort. Otherwise you end up wasting not only your time and hers, but you may also bring unneeded emotional stress upon yourself at the same time. Eh... now I'm getting depressed. :)

Seems like the only REALLY easy thing is life is getting fat. Everything else is just another freakin' job!
 
So this is wonderful... I've been planning a H-drol and PP bridge cycle for quite some time. I'm supposed to hit it early April. So the fiance and 2 1/2 year girlfriend tells me last night that she is afraid to marry me, and is afraid that she might not be happy. She thinks that she didnt get a chance to be in a serious relationship with someone else besides me to be sure that she's happy. So I'm not too motivated right now and I kinda feel wishywashy with me emotions right now. Think I should abandon the cycle or postpone it, or just go ahead?

I read your first two posts.

The fact she wants to stay with you is a big plus, it just means she may be feeling pressure. Who you marry is the biggest decision you ever make. Tell her you are also scared, and you understand her fear; as you are scared also.

Tell her how much you love her and how much you want to support her in any decision she makes. Let her know, unless she is sure and satisfied; you wont be either.

Tell her being married is a team thing, and you want her on your team, but not to the point that it hurts her in any way. Just give her worries your full attention and time and listen. She may be telling you what she needs to hear.

Dont rush her and support her and if it is meant to be; cool.

As far as the cycle goes, I might hold off just a little while to make sure everything is cool in your heart as I can get emotional ON or in PCT.

Just be good to her. Best of luck
 
( I apologize now for not using multiple quotes, for some reason it's not working today for me) Yeah, so am I. And thats pretty low especially doing that to someone so close to retirement age, when it's time to settle down and enjoy what little time you have left... Low man, really low...
Your heart speaks well for you, but consider: if he's the free-loading POS drunkard that's reported, this may be the best possible thing he could do for her (not saying that's how HE thinks about it, just sayin').
 
Your heart speaks well for you, but consider: if he's the free-loading POS drunkard that's reported, this may be the best possible thing he could do for her (not saying that's how HE thinks about it, just sayin').

Glass half full kinda guy, eh? :think:
 
does it hurt more to keep slowly pull off a bandaid or to just yank it off? different kinds of pains...
 
Thats kinda funny because of the use of that product Newskin. Anyways, yeah I'm pretty sure mullet pwned us all. Regardless, I spoke to her and I told her I didn't want us to make that kind of commitment unless both of us were sure. I also said that if she isn't going to be happy, then I don't want the commitment because she's sparing my feelings. I told her that I'll be here when she needs me, and that I understand. We discussed a break and said it's the best, but honestly I don't know if I'll go back to her after this all. I will probably be a friend and try to help her with other stuff, but I don't want to get involved again with her. I want someone who won't get bored with me, especially with how well I've treated her and disregarded my own feelings and needs. Maybe I'm just not ready for this kind of commitment yet. But hell Mullet, sounds like you've done a little research yourself.
 
I dunno tho, if you take mullet's point of view then at the same time all women should expect their men to be screwing anything that moves and spreading the seed all around. It also means we are all just animals, and have no conscious choice over how we act....

I'll continue to take the viewpoint of both men and women having conscious control of what they do, and of managing their relationships. And of not wanting to be in a long term relationship with someone who cant do the same.
 
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