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Dont laugh. IDS 17-hydroxy mesterone

Day 6
Am 17HM dose waking me the hell up, fo sho.

Am weight 181.5

Normal breakfast- SB Expresso lite mixed with 1.5 heaping scoops procomplex, 1 cup water

Going to be very hot today, index's up to 110.

Deads and Squats today......hoorah!

I finally decided my sweet spot on afternoon dose is 3-3:30 pm.
 
EasyEJL said:
you know, for what you spend in starbucks you could buy real gear. just sayin
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OK, your makin me say it.

We have a family business per say, so i can get alot of different beverages and whatnot, wholesale. The Expresso lite is the little can, i think it costs me 1.25 a can. Which it really dont "cost me" anything.

Its not a "money is not an object" per say, its just i like the coffee.

As far as real gear goes. Yeah i know, it would be cheaper, but still illegal.

I am not reay to pin again yet anyway. Thats down the road.........

I am still havin fun with the OTC stuff. lol
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Day 6
Am 17HM dose waking me the hell up, fo sho.

Am weight 181.5

Normal breakfast- SB Expresso lite mixed with 1.5 heaping scoops procomplex, 1 cup water

Going to be very hot today, index's up to 110.

Deads and Squats today......hoorah!

I finally decided my sweet spot on afternoon dose is 3-3:30 pm.
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110, damn. i work in a furnace, ok not really. but a corrogator in a box plant is pretty hot. nothing to lose 10 pounds after a 12 hour shift. check out poseidon and purple wraath, if your are like me it's hard to eat decent when your hairs on fire, poseidon helps with hydration and pw is great when you are not able to consume quality cals.:thumbsup: btw congratulations to all who are celebrating sobriety. 13 years sober is the greatest accomplishment of my life,so far.
 
thebigt said:
110, damn. i work in a furnace, ok not really. but a corrogator in a box plant is pretty hot. nothing to lose 10 pounds after a 12 hour shift. check out poseidon and purple wraath, if your are like me it's hard to eat decent when your hairs on fire, poseidon helps with hydration and pw is great when you are not able to consume quality cals.:thumbsup: btw congratulations to all who are celebrating sobriety. 13 years sober is the greatest accomplishment of my life,so far.
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Congratulations on the time! that is great, gives me 1 more reason to make it another day. I agree soberiety is my greatest accomplishment as well. With this disease, its only matter of time before it steals all the others.

Thanks for the advice brother. Never used poseidon or wrath. I will have to look into them.

I force myself to eat. I will put down at least 4 cups of chx/rice today, maybe five. I have 2 qts of water made up already.

We have fans in the shop, so that helps. But when your arse deep working inside on a hot car, it doesnt matter. lol
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Congratulations on the time! that is great, gives me 1 more reason to make it another day. I agree soberiety is my greatest accomplishment as well. With this disease, its only matter of time before it steals all the others.

Thanks for the advice brother. Never used poseidon or wrath. I will have to look into them.

I force myself to eat. I will put down at least 4 cups of chx/rice today, maybe five. I have 2 qts of water made up already.

We have fans in the shop, so that helps. But when your arse deep working inside on a hot car, it doesnt matter. lol
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a lot of props for this thread, keep on fighting-one day at a time.
 
just have some PCT supps on hand afterwards. When i took it a few of years ago, i had some nasty nipple itch and that was before i knew ANYTHING about PCT, etc.....

Some guy from GNC said, "here, try this!" (YES, we are all newbs at some point, right!!?!?!?!)
 
Kristofer68SS said:
OK, your makin me say it.

We have a family business per say, so i can get alot of different beverages and whatnot, wholesale. The Expresso lite is the little can, i think it costs me 1.25 a can. Which it really dont "cost me" anything.

Its not a "money is not an object" per say, its just i like the coffee.

As far as real gear goes. Yeah i know, it would be cheaper, but still illegal.

I am not reay to pin again yet anyway. Thats down the road.........

I am still havin fun with the OTC stuff. lol
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ah I thought it was from a starbucks, those cans arent too bad. I was more looking at $5 a day in coffee :D


You aren't located in florida by chance? I'm looking for a shop where i could feel comfy bringing my baby in for some work, as I dont have the time to do it myself
 
macedaddy said:
just have some PCT supps on hand afterwards. When i took it a few of years ago, i had some nasty nipple itch and that was before i knew ANYTHING about PCT, etc.....

Some guy from GNC said, "here, try this!" (YES, we are all newbs at some point, right!!?!?!?!)
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from 17HM?

Yeah i had nipple itch from megadosin PFull. So I know what it feels like and what it takes........I was eatin like 9-12 caps ED......lol

Thanks for the heads up though.
 
EasyEJL said:
ah I thought it was from a starbucks, those cans arent too bad. I was more looking at $5 a day in coffee :D


You aren't located in florida by chance? I'm looking for a shop where i could feel comfy bringing my baby in for some work, as I dont have the time to do it myself
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Yeah the little cans arent too bad.

Nah, I work in a corporate owned Automotive shop in misery.I really enjoy working on cars, most of them anyway. I must say, some of them in this county plain suck arse.
 
Day 6 Part B

Breakfast listed above.

I actually went and bought a set of measuring cups today. So when i start my shred next month. I know what the hell im eating.
4X1 cup chx/brnrice spread out... 10ish, 12ish, 3ish, PWO-5ish.

Preworkout dinner protocol and supps listed in initial thread. I will only post if i deviate from that.

Deads.
135x10
225x10
315x 3x3
225x 4x6

Squats-ATG
135x 2x6
155x 3x6

Calf raises
225x 5x10 xburn

Laying down squat machine.......
200x 2x10 3-5 second statics at parallel-slow
200x 1x10 fast tempo
300x 1x8 fast tempo

Leg extensions....... burn x 3

crawl out of gym. drink anator p70 2 minutues ago.

I will eat a small tub of cottage cheese and shake in an hour.

then collapse.

leave a message at the beep. ..........lol

today was very hot- index's at 110 or better....... i am very surprised i had a good workout.
 
Day 7

Energy tolerance building to AM dose.

Am weight 181.5

Same ol same ol:)

Libido is same or better.

No aggression noticed.

Sleep same.
 
Keep up the work man, I'm still trackin' ya. What's your overall feeling on this stuff after 7 days? Is it worth buying again?
 
Day 7 Part B

3.5 cups chx/rice today- 4 meals.
3 home grown tomatoes- tad smaller than baseball size. 1 each last 3 meals.

Water, and more water.

Will eat 1 cupish LF cottage cheese with 1/4 cup mixed nuts and PC shake for dinner.

Snacks as usual, mixed nuts.


Would i do it again? Its only been 7 days. For $12.50, i mean its worth that as just the energy boost i get........ for the money, yes i would do it again.......i actually have another bottle. picked them both up for 25 bucks.

Libido pretty good. Two fap sessions today. That may be residual from ABB tribulus shot PreWO on deads yesterday.

tomorrow will be arms. hoping to get a good pump.
 
Day 8 Part A

Am weight 180.5

Groundhog day.

The weather is forecasting a decent day today. Should have a good workout tonight.
 
EasyEJL said:
you know, I dont think I recall seeing whether your goal was bulk, recomp, maintain or cut?
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I had been sloppin out for awhile to gain weight. Now i am slowing getting back in check.

So, i am hoping to recomp a bit....... I will start an 8 week cut in sept.(similiar diet, less cheats, and 1 more day in gym-20 minutes cardio & ABS only)

Its pretty easy for me to lose weight once i watch calories and add cardio, but muscle goes too.......damnt

Day 8 Part B

Long day at work.

4 cups chix/rice. 4 meals. 3x homegrown tomatoes. I skipped the mator on the PreWO meal.

did i mention water.........as far as beverages, nothing but water the last few days..........

biceps and triceps tonight.

3 sets Bi's-4x6- reverse, straight bar and db
5 sets-4x6 tris- push downs, kickbacks, overhead press(db),tricep machine.
3x10 close grip Push ups supersetted.

maybe more on the tri's. I just got them good and burning and bailed.

no gameface today for some reason. successful work out, but not mentally in it, i used alot on tuesday with deads and squats.
 
Day 9

Am weight 182-

Am dose doesnt give me the boost it once did. I have high tolerance to stims anyways.

Last nite's dinner- slopfest........lol

1 cup cottage cheese with 1/4 cup mixed nuts washed down with a 1 scoop PC shake

hour later- the little woman made a Lucia's :pizza:.....She had 2 pieces......... I had the rest:aargh:

Back on track today with chix/rice.

No workout till monday.
 
Day 9 Part B

4 cups chx/rice, 4 sittings....... 1 homegrown mator

Overall all day was good. Steady work, not hot.... Mood good.

Bi's and Tri's tender from workout. My DOMS is usually the worst at 48 hours. See how i recover tonight.

I am hungry!
 
You can join me an Easy's supp club. We call it SJA, supp junkies annonymous. :lol::thumbsup:
 
Day 9 Part B, Subsection- Gluttony

Yes i did it......

Dinner.-

Fazios- 2 piece Canneloni with parm cheese-lots of it
3/4 (8 pieces) Lucia's Suasage/Pepperoni Pizza
Protein Shake

AND

King Size Almond Joy.
 
Day 10.......

Am weight 184........duh.........

Typical morning protein shake with expresso.....

Lets see if i can keep from hogjawing tonight.lol

Chix/rice prepped up for the day........ Probably have a dose of cottage cheese today.

Pump and soreness from thursday arms workout still lingering.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
are there meetings? will i have to speak in front of a group? lol
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Generally across yahoo messenger :) and it usually consists of things like todays confession from me

"**** I broke the seal on the hyperdrive 3.0+ and started taking some this morning"
 
Day 10 Part B

3 cups chx/rice- 3 meals
1 protein shake with some almonds, handful

Dinner and snack still ahead.

Pump still good today. Aggressive mood and behavior this morning. Working on saturdays, suck.

Lets see what tomorrow brings. Im off.
 
Day 11-

Am dose empty stomach kickstart. Protein Shake breakfast with xpresso. Arms feel good, still have very slight tenderness. I will be fresh for chest and shoulders tomorrow.

Last nite-
Dinner was horrendous. I deserve a biatch slap......

Gustation of the following:

4 Soft Taco Supremes
2 Meximelts dipped in nacho cheese
Firesauce X 5 packs

2 King Size Snickers bars........Hey, they had a 2 for 1 special.

Suprisingly enough, I managed to weigh only 181.5 this morning.

Not sure what is in store for food today. I know i will eat some cottage cheese and some shakes. Going to friends house for visit, so i will eat what they offer.

On average, Libido sessions 1 every other day.
 
nunes said:
one of the things I never understood was the strong lethargy I had with the 17 mh, in the first 2 weeks I really felt the product making what its suppose too but after that the lethargy ruined everything, just like I was on a non aromatizable steroid cycle(and let me tell you , it was IDS so everything was possible)
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I am actually feeling this as well. Its usually at work, when its slow, so its hard to guage. My gym workouts feel good. Im rolling with it. I just eat a 200mg caffeine tab when it gets too bad.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
I am actually feeling this as well. Its usually at work, when its slow, so its hard to guage. My gym workouts feel good. Im rolling with it. I just eat a 200mg caffeine tab when it gets too bad.
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see what I mean, exactly on the same time, its very strange, maybe its spiked with something hormonal...who knows:wtf:
 
nunes said:
see what I mean, exactly on the same time, its very strange, maybe its spiked with something hormonal...who knows:wtf:
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I got lethargy on anabolic halo and powerfull among many supplements I have used over the years. Lethargy alone for me is not a sole indicator of exogenous testoterone. I am not noticing shrinkage or extreme strength gains either. Deads and squats day will be the telltale.

I will keep an eye on it though.

Day 11 Part B

So far today I have eaten. Just got back from riding.

2 PC shakes
2 cheeseburgers(ground steak) with cheese, mators, lettuce, ketchup, mustard and 5 kosher 1/4's.
Amp tall boy sugar free
K20 Kellog Drink.......it was free..
Another PC shake, 1/3 cup almonds (Diamond)
Oven toppers- 1 stuffed tilapia

FAP session today.......lol........... is that needed information, or should i only indicate the absence of said FAP. :)
 
Day 12

Am weight 181.5

Groundhog day.

Chest and shoulders today.

2 PC shakes today
3 hardboiled eggs
PBnJ on wheat with animal pak PWO

Just Finished making another 2 quarts of chx/rice.
 
Day 12 Part B

Workout sucked......I didnt eat enough today....busy with errands and working........Mentally not focused......

warm up supersets
115x10
135x10

4x6
Incline bench- 160
Incline DB's-55's
Hammer Bench-70 each side

Supersetted these 4x6
Seated Push machine- 9 plates
Seated Fly machine......9 plates

Im a weak biatch.....

Got my workout done in 30 minutes or less.....So my rest periods were 30 seconds or less, with 1 minute or so rests between sets............

Equating into an even weaker biatch syndrome.(if thats possible)

I hate it when i cut cals..........My lifts ALWAYS suffer......ALWAYS.

Come hell or high water, I will have a good workout tomorrow..

Im dissappointed with todays workout:(

Total Food intake sad for the day, It felt that way.

Fazio 2 piece canneloni with parm cheese- 1 Heaping Tablespoon

1 cup LF cottage cheese with 1/3 cup nuts.
 
hope you got the original snickers on the two for 1. the almond ones suck in comparison. since stopping drinking, coffee, krispy kremes, and snickers are my #1 vices.:lol:
 
thebigt said:
hope you got the original snickers on the two for 1. the almond ones suck in comparison. since stopping drinking, coffee, krispy kremes, and snickers are my #1 vices.:lol:
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yes sir, originals........only way to fly........


Day 13

AM Weight 182

I will eat properly today ..... When i am at work, believe or not, i can make time to eat. I have fridge and microwave next to my tool box. We also have an ice machine, drinking fountains and galley.
 
Kristofer68SS said:
yes sir, originals........only way to fly........


Day 13

AM Weight 182

I will eat properly today ..... When i am at work, believe or not, i can make time to eat. I have fridge and microwave next to my tool box. We also have an ice machine, drinking fountains and galley.
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when i am busy at work i don't even think about food, i rely mainly on stuff like purple wraath and protein shakes. i haven't heard a kitchen called a galley since my navy days, you got a head too?:lol:
 
I need to get used to bringing food into work with me again, since i'm changing jobs and no more working from home. not sure how i'm going to cope with that part
 
thebigt said:
when i am busy at work i don't even think about food, i rely mainly on stuff like purple wraath and protein shakes. i haven't heard a kitchen called a galley since my navy days, you got a head too?:lol:
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yes sir.........two of them actually.......lol

not think about food?...........OMG.......thats all i think about. almost........lol

I try to eat 6 times a day, sometimes 7 or 8.........
 
EasyEJL said:
I need to get used to bringing food into work with me again, since i'm changing jobs and no more working from home. not sure how i'm going to cope with that part
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damn, it must be rough. home-boy:lol: or should i say houseboy?:icon_lol:
 
hehehehe yeah, I mean crap, when i got hungry i'd just flip on the stove, and throw a fish fillet on, or a chicken breast or whatever. fully stocked fridge and freezer. now I have to plan and stuff. and i'm taking a pay cut. what the hell was I thinking?
 
EasyEJL said:
hehehehe yeah, I mean crap, when i got hungry i'd just flip on the stove, and throw a fish fillet on, or a chicken breast or whatever. fully stocked fridge and freezer. now I have to plan and stuff. and i'm taking a pay cut. what the hell was I thinking?
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what the hell were you thinking?:think:
 
EasyEJL said:
I need to get used to bringing food into work with me again, since i'm changing jobs and no more working from home. not sure how i'm going to cope with that part
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Its just an adjustment...... I have trouble with caloric intake when Im NOT at work.........go figure...........
 
I think i'm going to do it scivation style - do the mixed meals in large bowl at home with the meats, veggies, carbs, etc all together, make a few pounds of it, then just measure it into tupperware containers to bring with me. seems like the best way to control it. that plus protein powder and a shaker cup, and some nuts for snacks
 
food is easy, at one point i was taking up to 20 pills while at work. that raised some eyebrows at first. everyone is used to it now, no big deal. but i get bugged about what to take for this and for that, no problem though i don't mind that.:thumbsup:
 
EasyEJL said:
I think i'm going to do it scivation style - do the mixed meals in large bowl at home with the meats, veggies, carbs, etc all together, make a few pounds of it, then just measure it into tupperware containers to bring with me. seems like the best way to control it. that plus protein powder and a shaker cup, and some nuts for snacks
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Tupperware is where its at......... I have measuring cups...... I figure my mix of chix/brnrice/spices/olive oil ...........Each cup costs me around $1.25+/- depending on the cost of chicken.
 
Day 13 Part B

Normal breakfast......
4 cups chx/rice... 4 times throughout day.
Normal tuesday pre-wo protocol........

Definately can tell Im off that last stack. The friggin lethargy on this 17HM is legit. I am popping 600mg of caffeine through the day to stay moving.

Warm up squats- ATG
135x10
185x5x4

Deadlifts
135x10
225x6x6
no belt this week
not sure if i could have done the 315 or not.

Calf raises on smith machine-on box, deep slow raises
295x5x10

Laying squat machine
200x15 with 5 second statics
225x10 with 3 second statics
250x8 decent tempo
300x 6 fast temp

Leg extensions
70x2xburn

shrugs-
85x3x6


Overall so far I am disappointed in this IDS product. I feel like shite with post afternoon dose. Strength is going down. Libido is it the same. Mood is not better.

In its defense, I have been cutting calories too......... Usually when i do that, my lifts all suffer.

Unless something changes I will sell the other bottle...

Dinner was a PC shake.
I had an drumstick ice cream cone for desert......
 
Day 14

Am weight 178.5

Groundhog day.

Made a doublebatch of chx/rice 16 cups+

Yummy.

I feel my glutes and hams and back from last nights workout. Quads should kick in later today or tonight........See how bad the DOMS is tomorrow.
 
thanks for the review, if things continue this way you will have saved me from trying this. got to admit interest was peaked at the start. maybe just use second bottle as a pre-workout stim.
 
thebigt said:
thanks for the review, if things continue this way you will have saved me from trying this. got to admit interest was peaked at the start. maybe just use second bottle as a pre-workout stim.
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No problem bro, thats why i posted it.

I must admit though........

I just came off a wonderful stack........ AX,LX,PCS and ZMA.
And Im cutting calories, bridging into a cut sept 1st(60 days).

For the money i paid for it, its okay.........But 30 or 40 bucks a bottle...........NO WAY.

I will say it again..........That last stack is my favorite so far....Besides real test.
 
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