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Dont laugh. IDS 17-hydroxy mesterone

Kristofer68SS said:
No problem bro, thats why i posted it.

I must admit though........

I just came off a wonderful stack........ AX,LX,PCS and ZMA.
And Im cutting calories, bridging into a cut sept 1st(60 days).

For the money i paid for it, its okay.........But 30 or 40 bucks a bottle...........NO WAY.

I will say it again..........That last stack is my favorite so far....Besides real test.
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i am really liking resveratrol, testing lg's t911 and starting to feel decent results. wanting to try dermacrine too.
 
Day 14 Part B

4 cups chix rice........

lots o h20

DOMS setting in on glutes, hams and quads........ :) PAIN=HURT

"the only thing thats real"

ABB Tribulus shot yesterday=monkey spank

Lethargy is getting stupid on this shite.

Dinner was
1 cup Normal cottage cheese
1/4 mixed nuts
1.5 scoop PC shake

Snack- 2oz. of beef jerky
 
Day 15

Am weight 177.5

Groundhog day.- PC shake with 1 hardboiled egg this morning.

chx/rice today.......

Bi's and Tri's tonight.


As far as the lethargy goes, I dont know. Strength has not gone up. so whatever it is, its not working. :(

DOMS today is bad. Glutes, Hams, back and traps all sore. So on a recovery standpoint, this 17HM sucks.
 
Day 15 Part B

4 cups chx/rice today......... I think my chicken rice ratio is actually 1.5 chicken to 1 part brown rice.............

I know, I know.....First it was 2:1, then 1:1, now 1.5:1 I know its more protein than carbs for sure......

ABB ripped force sipped throughout day to help fight off lethargy.

ABB tribulus shot and Animal Pack with Preworkout meal. 30 minutes prior to workout.......I think this is my optimal window.

Decent arm workout tonight
3 sets bis
5 sets tris

In and out........

Dinner 1.5-1.75 cups roasted chicken meat, no skin
1 cup mixed vegetable- tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers,onion, in a vinagrette sauce
1/3 cup mixed nuts for snack

Water, Lots of it.......
 
Day 16 Part B

DOMS still lingering in the legs

Arms pumped but not sore from last nites workout

4 cups chx/rice, 4 1 cup servings spaced out over 9 hours as always.

Just ate some vegetables and handful of nuts to ward off hunger until dinner........

im hogjawing on something sloppy tonight.....I got that deep hunger.

Overall impression of 17-HM is neutral...... Im going to tuff out the next 14 days and see how it goes.......

Dinner was hogfest:
Hardees- 2 double cheeseburgers, then 15 minutes later
1/2 pound sourdough burger
some curly fries- small, then an hour later
Fazios- 2 piece canneloni

Tons of water.
 
Day 17

Am weight 185:food:

Groundhog day

Legs DOMS finally gone, now i have a little in my arms.

breakfast shake
3 cups of chix/rice

so far today.
 
Day 17 Part B

Went to a party with my gfriend.....

2 plates full of misc. apps, pasta, chips, vegetables and dips.

1 Pint of Ben and Jerrys Half baked....... lol

H20........lots of it as always.
 
Day 18

Am weight

181.5

Protein shake for breakfast
1.5 cups of chix rice

so far........

Sunday= slack day

will ride harley or get camaro out.....
 
Day 18 Part B

1.5 cups chx/rice

4 homemade BLT's...........

2 then an hour later
1, then an hour later
1..........lol

Wheat bread, Iceberg lettuce, home grown tomatoes, bacon, miracle whip and cheese

1 pint BJ's Half baked.

sickening, I know. But damn I was hungry.

One thing is for sure, this stuff doesnt suppress appetite.
 
Day 19

Am weight 183.5

PC shake with 6.5oz xpresso & 6.5 oz water. same as usual.

Chest and shoulders later today.

Working and running errands today. Eating shitty.

Healthy choice salsbury steak meal
Penn Station East Coast Subs- Medium Philly Steak sandwich with deathsticks and unsweetened tea.

1 cup chx rice prewo.

so far today.
 
Day 19 Part B

Workout was good. I had a partner slowing me down for a change.

I did his weights, slow and controlled. I actually had a few forced reps. 4x8 or failure
Incline bench
Dumbell flat bench
Flat flys
Machine flys -ss
Push machine-ss
Hammer Machine

Good chest, shoulder pump and bailed.

Hopefully I will be off the hogjaw train the rest of the week.

Will eat 1 cup cottage cheese and PC shake tonight for dinner.

Water as usual.
 
Day 20

Am weight 182

Good pump and a bit sore from last nights workout.

I just want to get this bottle over with.

I will be starting a controlled labs stack sept 1st.

Sesaglow, Red Acid G3, Reduction........... 60 days. Supposedly some good appetite suppressors in CL's products......Time will tell.

Dont think i will publicly log it. I may take some before pics and see what the afters look like.....


So far I am neutral on this 17HM. I feel/look like i am getting stronger and fuller........But i can do that with diet and training.........
 
Day 20 Part B

4 cups chix/rice- food throughout the day as normal

Squat session......Operation Superset ATG

135x10- straight into lifting
185x6,5,4,3- 30 sec rest
135x6x6 supersetted.......I almost passed out. They became breathing squats almost immediately.

I know the weight is not alot, but for me it is.......I go ATG slow controlled, pause at ground zero then lift.......

My shirt was drenched, I was dizzy and was barely able to do deads. I did 4x8 135 on deads.......lol..........

Calfs on smith with box...... 295x6x6 pause hold at top and bottom.

Laying machine squats.........200 with roughly a 252 tempo(no lockouts, 5 sec static at parallel) until utter failure, then 250 same kind of tempo, utter failure.........total of 6 sets(4 and 2)......

Then I wobbled out with my shirt soaked with sweat.......smiling in pain.

Good workout for me.......

Dinner was 1 cup cottage cheese, 2 cups mixed veggies- broc, tomato, cuccs, peppers,onions,
 
Day 21

Am weight 179.5

Groundhog day.

Leg DOMS has set in already, Tomorrow is going to be sick.

Will do arms either thursday or friday.

At the tailend of this cycle......:)
 
Day 21 Part B

3 cups chix/rice
1/2 cup almonds
2 double cheeseburgers DQ

Dinner still to come.

DOMS is bad....... Really bad......... This stuff absolutely sucks for recovery.........
 
Day 22

Am weight 183

Doms still bad, It felt like a layer of toxins(dead tissue) ripped from my quads when i got out of bed...........

Groundhog day..........Arms tonight, possibly tomorrow nite.

T- 8 days and counting........lol
 
Day 22 Part B

4 cups chxrice today
2 snickers bars

Doms is very bad. Not sure why. Made work very difficult. Wore me down.

Arm workout with partner. I had no stamina. Zero.

bi-s 3 sets
tris- 4 or 5

I just went the motions and bailed.

Shitty workout.

Dinner was hogfest

Fazio- 2 piece canneloni
6 pieces of lucia's pizza
1 corn dog

Also my mood was not good all day. Pretty sure it was DOMS related.
 
Day 23

Am weight 184.5

Doms in legs still very apparent. This is ridiculous, I havent had Doms this bad in a long time. Still trying to understand why.

Arms are pumped and slightly sore from last nites workout.

Groundhog day.

Review------ T minus 7 days and counting...........:nono:
 
Day 23 Part B

2 cups chix/rice
3 cheeseburgers- benefit bbq
1 cup cottage cheese

Aggression bad today. Not sure what it is, more biatchy than normal thats for sure.

Doms still very prominent in legs today, tris and bis are both sore from workout......

This is total BS......... Recovery from this shite is worthless.

Sleep is the same as always, diet and water intake is about the same.......

I miss that AX-LX-PCS-ZMA stack........I killed myself, and got very little DOMS........... Felt like superman on it....

Dinner still to come.

Protein shake, 2 scoops gold standard whey.
Steamers Chicken/pasta Dinner
 
Day 24

Am weight 184

My traps are hurting this morning.....I think i pulled something working on a truck yesterday.

Groundhog day.

review.......Dont waste your money.......

T minus 6 days and counting.
 
Day 24 Part B

1 cup chix rice
1 cup cottage cheese

Salzizza Sandwich from IMO's.

1/2 cup almonds

Water tons of it........Sweated bad today.

Getting ready to take a PC shake.

Tri's are definately tender as well as bi's......I dont get it. I even took extra animal paks this week.

Dinner still to come.

Dinner was hogfest........

2 soft taco supremes
2 hard shell taco supremes
Nacho supreme

My achilles heal- Sweettooth........

I pint of BJ's Half Baked..............Damn it was good.
 
Day 25

No AM weight recorded, Up and going.......Proabably 185 with my hog session last nite

food so far

PC shake-breakfast
Spin Artichoke Dip with chips local restaurant
Reuben Sandwich
Ice tea, Sweet/low

Also had Healty choice Turkey/vegetable dinner. I was away from home, had to eat.

Also had 1 oven toppers fish(tilapia) brussel sprouts, 1/4 cup brown rice

Late night junk- Banquest Chix finger dinner with mac and brownie.........lol.

I cant stop eating.

T minus 5 days and counting.........Then onto a 60 day CL stack. I am hoping the red acid G2 and Reduction products will have some appetite suppression. I need it........LOL.

I Bought some Purple wrath, xtend and some aminos today at vitamin world. On sale of course.

I am such a supplement junky...Its sad actually...... I spent less on other recreational "supplements" in my partying days.......

I still have DOMS in triceps from Thursdays Workout.........Hopefully gone tomorrow.
 
Day 26

Am weight 184

Missed AM dose, I will just trash it and take the afternoon dose. Its not like the shite is doing anything anyways.

PC Shake this morning.
hour later
3 amino tabs with sugarfree red bull.......water

chest/shoulders tonight. Doms in tri's still faintly lingering. 4 days. This sucks.


I must repeat. Unless you can get this IDS 17HM dirt cheap or have it already dont go out and buy it. Very disappointed.

Two thumbs down.

T minus 4 days and counting
 
QUOTE=Kristofer68SS;1462864]will do......

hey 12 step, is your username what i think means.

If so, I am friend of Bill W. since 0ct 1, 1998.[/QUOTE]


May 23, 2001 for me :thumbsup:[
 
babyblu said:
QUOTE=Kristofer68SS;1462864]will do......

hey 12 step, is your username what i think means.

If so, I am friend of Bill W. since 0ct 1, 1998.
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May 23, 2001 for me :thumbsup:[[/QUOTE]

Congats bro! Its always nice to hear of fellow members up in here. Strength in numbers!

Take care.
 
Day 26 Part B

Had a Turkey Club Sandwich from QT, Animal pack and Water PRewo along side my 17HM.

Workout was
Incline Bench
Inlcine DB
Hammer Bench, shoulders
Fly machine SS with
Seated Push machine.

Decent workout, I was on a time crunch. I was in and out with the quikness.

Dinner was- Whole package of Ludig Turkey, 1 LF cottage cheese, then 1.5 scoops Gold Standard whey-Trop Punch.

Water.
 
Day 27

Am weight 184

Chest a tad tight. nothing noticeble yet.

Tonight will be squats, no deads for awhile. I am sticking to squats once a week for awhile until my weight goes up. 225 ATG in sets of 4X8 is my goal. My ATG is ATG.

I will do some calf raises and the squat sled machine, maybe some leg extensions also.

Back on chix and rice, all week... Water, tons of it.

T minus 3 days and counting.
 
Day 27 Part B

4 cups chix/rice
6 amino caps split between 8 and 10 am meal and 12 pm meal.

Squats tonight.

135x10
155x4x8
135x6x6

Calf raises 225x4xfail slow burn, deep

laying squat sled....... 325x8 fast tempo
225x4x6 3 second statics at parallel..........

waddled out.....

i used some Purple wraath and xtend. 1 scoop each, pre and intra............ I likey alot.........

did i mention 17HM sucks????????? I got nothing, but nausea from it..........actually got weaker from previous stack.

My rep and post count are equal right now........
 
Day 28

Am weight 185

Doms is already apparent in glutes and quads........

Dinner last nite was
1.25 cup cottage cheese
1 scoop TP Gold standard whey in 14oz water
Fazio 2 piece canneloni
1/2 package oscar meyer turkey breast

water. 50+ oz post dinner.....3 bottles

T minus 2 days and counting.
 
Day 28 Part B

4 cups chix rice as usual......h20 like a mofo
6 amino caps. split between 10 am and 12 pm meal, and 12pm meal and 230 meal.

Thinking about dosing some vitamin C............Doms is going to be sick tomorrow........... All of it hurts. Calves, quads, hams and qlutes.......

I have a bruise and chaffage on the back of my neck/trap area from the bar..... I basically did squats non stop.........They became breathing squats......lol

Anywho..........I will try to eat sensible tonight.....

Overall I think the diet and the other supps i take normally, did more for me than the 17HM...........

I will be selling the other bottle........Cheap......
 
Day 29

Dinner was

3 kosher dill pickles
1 cup of cottage cheese
Fazio's 2 piece canneloni
1.5 scoops Gold Standard TP Shake
4 nasty ass cheese sticks- baked


Am weight 184

Doms doesnt appear to be as terrible as last week.......Not sure if its the Aminos, The extra water intake or the stretching.........I made myself stretch tuesday and wednesday............

Groundhog day........

I may do arms tonight, I may wait until tomorrow nite.......I will see how it goes today.

T minus 1 day and counting.............:)
 
Day 29 Part B

4 cups chix/rice
H20, lots of it

Bi's and Tri's
3 sets Bi
5 sets Tri

Workout good, just focused on slow controlled movements and form. Good pump.

Bailed.

Dinner was

2 chicken ceasar wraps- hillshire
1/4 cups mixed nuts
.25# sliced roast beef
40+oz water
 
Day 30...........Yeah!!!!!:)

Am weight 184

Arms are a tad sore, will know later tonight and tomorrow how bad DOMS will be.

Groundhog day.

Chix rice, h20..........

If you havent noticed already, 17HM is a preworkout booster at its best. I could see dosing both caps for preworkout and it doing its job, so to speak.

Maybe I am a non responder. Maybe I take too many other supps, which is a possiblity....Either way, I wasnt too impressed with 17HM. Like many others.......

Overall review, get it cheap, take both caps preworkout. Neutral.


Onto my CL stack.............
 
Kristofer68SS said:
Day 30...........Yeah!!!!!:)

Am weight 184

Arms are a tad sore, will know later tonight and tomorrow how bad DOMS will be.

Groundhog day.

Chix rice, h20..........

If you havent noticed already, 17HM is a preworkout booster at its best. I could see dosing both caps for preworkout and it doing its job, so to speak.

Maybe I am a non responder. Maybe I take too many other supps, which is a possiblity....Either way, I wasnt too impressed with 17HM. Like many others.......

Overall review, get it cheap, take both caps preworkout. Neutral.


Onto my CL stack.............
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:clean: Nice!!!!
 
Day 30 Part B- Babble session from hell.

3 cups chix rice
1 chicken ceasar wrap- hillshire
water like a mofo

Dinner was Omega/Flax Natural Peanut butter- 1/2 cup, 1/4 cup nuts, 1/2# roast beef.

Final Review is neutral. I think it played little to no part in my gains or loss'........ Diet and mental focus varied from day to day, as did my workouts.......I think my weight at its lowest was 177 and my highest was 184...... which i am at now. I need to weigh 170-175 in all honesty.

Anyways My CL stack is going to be two fold. Its going to be sick. And not all natural.

Sesaglow 3 caps ED-60 days
Red Acid G2-First 30 days
Reduction- Second 30 days

I will be stacking it with 115mg/ED 19-nor=Tren X. Yes for 60 days. I will be using cycle support all 60 days. I have used 90mg ED in the past with decent response. It took 4 weeks for it to Kick in for me. I only ran for 4 weeks.

My pct will 60 days of the following.

PCS=Stoked
Activate Xtreme
Lean Xtreme
ZMA

I have L-tor on hand, I will also have Clomid.

I will then do 4 weeks of 6-oxo Xtreme 10,8,6,4. More Resveratrol.:)

Dont hate on me. This will be 5 months of an xtreme lifting and body transformation.

I have many other ancilleries to go with these 5 months. If the need arises.

CL- PW
Universal-Animal Pak
vitamin B6
L-dopa
pro complex
BCAA
EFA's
Liv.52
JP8
PW
Xtend
Ad nausem.

Tons of chicken, tons of rice, Tons of time.

Basically two walls of shite, you bastages have so many special purchases, buy 1 get one's and package deals. I have a supplement stash that will let me cycle or whatever, for 18 months+.......... lol and it doesnt look to be lettin up............. Nutraplanet.....Damn you. :)

Happy?:)

My Favs are:
Anabolic Innovations
Controlled Labs
Designer Supplements
USP labs
ON
Anabolic Xtreme

SOB's..................:head:

Whats a supplement junkie to do?...Its on every corner around here.

BTW. Whens the next sale........I know AI is coming out with some new stuff, CL is hinting around about some stacks, AX and DS.......Well you know.

Usplabs just birthed Prime. Got me two bottles of that. Dont know when Im going to get a chance to use it.....

Sittin on two bottle of HX2, not sure when Im gonna hit that either.........killin me.

PS, Im gonna get some bloodwork in there about 2 weeks in PCT.
 
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