Probably 8 or 10 companies, give or take, went bankrupt or came out with accounting scandals. Those are just the ones that got caught. So like you said, the others had to adapt due to Sarbanes, new SEC accounting standards, etc.
A phrase we will probably hear in court is "a pattern of behavior".
LMAO@"Trusted brands"....You mean forum favorites?
That was the USPLabs defense, it would seem that did not pan out though, if the DOJ has internal emails discussing the fact that this root could cause liver problems.
If it was *JUST* shipment labeling and nothing else, I could almost look past it. But in the context of other things...
I'm tracking The Shaker Factory Company Ltd out of Hong Kong right now
But I ain't no Import Genius.
This was before we found out they were using something liver toxic. Seems like they may have just found another common denominator. Odd that all were using the stuff though.
I would imagine his accounts are under INTENSE scrutiny and being monitored 25/8. So if you feel like committing identity theft I'd give you ~48 hours before the FBI and DOJ breaks your door down
Don't be stupid. I didn't make any such comment. If the DOJ puts a public document on their site they need to properly edit the damn thing.
cmon dude...
thats the thing, the ingredient the fda stated was liver toxic isn't really liver toxic. at least that was the conclusion when this entire thing first went down years ago. also how ageline was liver toxic, when in fact it really isn't. it's actually the opposite of the current arecoline thing. most people say carcinogenic but the fda says its ok?
it was more fun to disagree with you, lol.
sitesh patel doesn't sound irish. lol
If you ask my total nutrition, every company except their house brand and the 3-4 best sellers, which you know.... Are 75% more expensive than a competing brand of nearly the same ingredients, they offer are all produced by USP labs or use USP labs raws. Gotta love salesmen.
theoretically, every company who used SK Labs for manufacturing had a chance of "sharing" raws with USP labs. That and if there are any brands with whom they are connected to, but have not let out public information of the connection.
Very true.
Didn't PES Enhanced and Alphamine have Aegeline in them? (N-[2-hydroxy-2(4-methoxyphenyl) ethyl]-3-phenyl-2-propenamide)
I've actually met Sitesh numerous times(haven't seen him since ~2009). He was always a really nice guy.
Yes, they did. And then PES took it out.
I believe they have used a lot of the same raws, purchased raws together etc.
What proof do you have of this?
They did say that they do get raws from the same supplier. Why are you demanding proof though, like this is some kind of court room drama?
because people are stating they are the same. as someone said earlier, the fact they weren't arrested as well points to they are not. who cares anyway.
I have yet to see a PES rep say that. Idk I probably want proof because I'd like to know if the companies I purchase products from is involved with a company that was just arrested for shady things. I could just like the court room drama though. You may call me Judge Woody.
thats been confirmed but its not unusual at all. mike mccandless was talking about it on bb.com and how sk has done this for many companies and reportedly a very very large one. don't have a name though.
Or Ergo-Log : )
That's what I'm sayin!. People have been saying they are the same for a few years now. I could care less if they are the same.
yeah really. and if they were did the doj just forget to arrest them? don't think so.
I asked but unless I missed it, possible in the sea of posts in this thread, there really wasn't a definitive answer. My Google fu isn't getting me far on this one either though I haven't had time to really dig. As it stands in my eyes though anything that lab has the contract to make is suspect regardless of the product. Where there's smoke there's fire.
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Yeah if they are the same company then for sure they would be named in these indictments.
I also care now with these allegations, so I would like to know if there is a link between PES and USPLabs for sure (anything other than sharing raws which I think Ben Carpenter already confirmed in an old thread).
This is a pretty good point. Also what good are more regulations if they are rarely enforced anyways?
Hahahah that would be amazing.
Yeah I would like more transparency just so others and myself can make an educated decision about which products to support/buy
You want transparency?. Well then, all you have to do is start a thread in each category of supplements here on Anabolicminds. For instance- "Best Pre-workout", "Best Test Booster", "Best Sarm"...Just remember to start a new one every other day because things may have changed. You'll surely get your answers and decisions on what to buy made for you.
Yeah, someone new might have sent The Solution a tub of their new preworkout, therefore making their product the best.
Hahahahahhaha this actually made me laugh in my seat. I know asking for transparency from the supp industry is a tall order, but I think it's in companies interests to be more transparent bc it will lead to better brand loyalty and more repeat business.
Indeed!
I don't think asking for companies that have used SK to manufacture their products is any more unreasonable than investors wanting to know what other companies used Arthur Anderson as their accounting firm. It's not a burden on the company and it will establish goodwill and peace of mind.
Or "In House Testing"
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