Does science support the existence of God?

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DmitryWI said:
A lot of bad things happen to us because we brough it on ourselves or other person takes that free will away from you.
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If Free Will is god's will for us, then nothing can go counter to an omnipotent beings wishes. Another individual would not be able to take away your free will, which means children would not be kidnapped, tortured, raped, then murdered.

Yet, they are.
 
EESCHMan said:
These "principals" though, have been around before "The Bible," so they can't be claimed to be Christian Principals.

I'm not religious (or a believer) and I go by the Golden Rule (which isn't only in the Bible either) so how does one account for that?
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You are right, it goes to every person in the world, no matter what kind of religion you belong to or don't belong at all. We are all children of God and He'll never turn His back on you if ask for help or advice. :)
 
dsade said:
If Free Will is god's will for us, then nothing can go counter to an omnipotent beings wishes. Another individual would not be able to take away your free will, which means children would not be kidnapped, tortured, raped, then murdered.

Yet, they are.
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As far as I understand, God let us have free will, He didn't make us to have free will. (Adam and Eve). People could choose to follow God's rules or do whatever they want, they chose second... It means I can take your free will from you, because I chose not follow God's rules. Does it make sence? I'm sure someone can explain it better than me.
 
DmitryWI said:
As far as I understand, God let us have free will, He didn't make us to have free will. (Adam and Eve). People could choose to follow God's rules or do whatever they want, they chose second... It means I can take your free will from you, because I chose not follow God's rules. Does it make sence? I'm sure someone can explain it better than me.
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So how does that make it fair for the person (a child, in this case) to have his free will taken away from him by the act of another. An all powerful god would simply not make this possible. By all means, **** yourself into an eternity of hell of your own actions against yourself, but the second an individual, by act of free will, takes away the free will of another while God either sits impotently, or apathetically by, watching...that becomes evidence against the existence of said god - at least for the god ridicuolously "described".

And so here is a challenge to those who claim to believe in god: Offer a non-contradictory, coherent description of the qualities of this being you believe in. I mean, to believe in something you must know what it is, so it should be an easy task to describe.

Until a description is offered that makes sense, I honestly do not know what you are talking about when you say "god".s
 
dsade said:
So how does that make it fair for the person (a child, in this case) to have his free will taken away from him by the act of another. An all powerful god would simply not make this possible. By all means, **** yourself into an eternity of hell of your own actions against yourself, but the second an individual, by act of free will, takes away the free will of another while God either sits impotently, or apathetically by, watching...that becomes evidence against the existence of said god - at least for the god ridicuolously "described".

And so here is a challenge to those who claim to believe in god: Offer a non-contradictory, coherent description of the qualities of this being you believe in. I mean, to believe in something you must know what it is, so it should be an easy task to describe.

Until a description is offered that makes sense, I honestly do not know what you are talking about when you say "god".s
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Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!

Someone else that is rational!
 
EESCHMan said:
Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster!!

Someone else that is rational!
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Born again....is that like going back for Seconds at the pasta bar?
 
DmitryWI said:
God won't let him do that, but he'll let people kill others...what happened to free will?!

Yes, God gave free will to everyone, but He also gave Brian gifts so he can use 'em to help people in the name of God. It's Brian's free will if he wants to use those gifts or not, and if he does harm to someone by using God's gifts God will take those gifts away from him.

testimonies are not proof. Go to a cancer ward and find a child who has terminal cancer (verified by a panel of doctors) and then get rid of it. Then have another panel of doctor's verify that is in fact no longer there.

First of all I don't have to prove anything to anyone, if someone asks for prove I'll ask God to provide it to you by helping YOU, not to someone else.

"Amputee will never grow a leg back, let's be real. I've never claimed we can help anybody with everything.

Yes, lets...but it's not you helping it's god...God can do anything!

Yes, God can do anything, but some things are just meant to be. And just because you think something have to be certain way, not always a case for God. He does things on His terms, not yours. I want a lot things happen right now too, but it'll happen when God thinks is right, not me. (as much as I hate it). It's just the way it is.
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If you want people to believe "Brian" can perform "miracles" you do need to provide proof...especially since you are charging.

So if I get sick and pay whatever the fee is, will he make it go away in a day?

Actually... I broke my back 3 years ago and my discs are all screwed up, can he fix that?

If I go to my Spinal Doc and we do an MRI/Xray and everything is still screwed up, do I get my money back?

Yes, God can do anything, but some things are just meant to be. And just because you think something have to be certain way, not always a case for God. He does things on His terms, not yours.
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why is that meant to be?! Probably because it WOULD BE A MIRACLE if that indeed happened!!

If he does things on his own terms why bother praying, worshipping, paying money to "Brian", etc??
 
EESCHMan said:
If you want people to believe "Brian" can perform "miracles" you do need to provide proof...especially since you are charging.

So if I get sick and pay whatever the fee is, will he make it go away in a day?

Actually... I broke my back 3 years ago and my discs are all screwed up, can he fix that?

If I go to my Spinal Doc and we do an MRI/Xray and everything is still screwed up, do I get my money back?



why is that meant to be?! Probably because it WOULD BE A MIRACLE if that indeed happened!!

If he does things on his own terms why bother praying, worshipping, paying money to "Brian", etc??
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sadly I dont think he will acknowledge that this is a fraud. Once this "brian" fails, the response will be "it was gods will". The ultimate cop out
 
EESCHMan said:
of course, but who knows what he'll say (he believes in "demons!")
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Well if youve ever seen one youd have a hard time denying their existence.
 
mmowry said:
Well if youve ever seen one youd have a hard time denying their existence.
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I have no problem with people having "faith" in a god, but when you say science supports the existence of god, I have an issue...
also, I didn't know that demons are running rampant around here...why is it that only those who believe see demons?
They only pick believers?
 
Nope I definitely saw what I saw(a few times and not drug induced) Loooong before I looked into Jesus.As Ive posted previously I was doing occultic practices and experienced the evil that hides outside of our 3 dimensional existence.Thus if Evil exists then conversely Good, must also.Thus began my quest for the truth.
 
EESCHMan said:
I have no problem with people having "faith" in a god, but when you say science supports the existence of god, I have an issue...
also, I didn't know that demons are running rampant around here...why is it that only those who believe see demons?
They only pick believers?
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God wants you to see Him, demons don't want you to see them. How can you see demons if you refuse to try to see God first?
 
EESCHMan said:
I have no problem with people having "faith" in a god, but when you say science supports the existence of god, I have an issue...
also, I didn't know that demons are running rampant around here...why is it that only those who believe see demons?
They only pick believers?
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I don't mean to argue for either direction about the existence of demons here, but I think you're making an ignorant generalization that could lead to other flaws in your reasoning if you use the same logic.

Are you positive that it is only those believers who see demons? Sure that the rest of the entire population never claimed to see demons? You can't make such a generalization from a limited sample.

Taking this out of the context of the thread. This statement could have been something like "why is it that <specific race> only does <action>"

Not saying you think like that, but that could be the kind of thing we end up with if we take your approach
 
Dr. D said:
Also, let's look at the math involved. Consider a very simple microorganism consisting of 200 cells. Let's not even consider the math on where the cells came from (that's too much math and I'm not that smart) but just think of the combination of those cells to form a primitive organism. The probability of forming that ordered system by chance is 1 in 200 factorial. That factorial (expressed as 200!) can be calculated by multiplying all the numbers together from 1 to 200 and yields a result of 1 chance in 10E_375. I will not bother to type out 375 zeros, you get the point I'm sure. You actually have much better odds of jumping out of a plane with no parachute and surviving the impact every single day for the rest of your life even if you lived to be 100 years old! Would you really gamble on odds like that? As the complexity of a system increases, the odds of an ordered outcome occurring by chance become exponentially dismal, even for the random existence of a simple 200 celled organism. It's safe to say that it takes much more "faith" to believe in odds like that than it does to believe in God!
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This was a great read, but one thing you're overlooking with the above statement is how many chances there is to get things right. The odds may be 1 in 10^375, but when you've got infinite chances, you'll keep doing it wrong until it eventually happens right. The odds of winning the lottery are astronomical, but when you have EVERY ticket, it's kinda tough not to win.

By no means am I challenging your central argument of science supporting God. IMO it glorifies Him. But I can honesty say that I believe He was powerful enough and smart enough that he could have easily said, "Let there be light." and watched the universe unravel from there. Afterall, a Day is defined by the Earth's rotation around the sun. If on the first day, all he created energy, there's still a fair deal of time to burn before the Earth would even form.
 
bitterplacebo said:
I don't mean to argue for either direction about the existence of demons here, but I think you're making an ignorant generalization that could lead to other flaws in your reasoning if you use the same logic.

Are you positive that it is only those believers who see demons? Sure that the rest of the entire population never claimed to see demons? You can't make such a generalization from a limited sample.

Taking this out of the context of the thread. This statement could have been something like "why is it that <specific race> only does <action>"

Not saying you think like that, but that could be the kind of thing we end up with if we take your approach
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yes, it may be a general statement...but those who believe in something (god) without evidence, are more likely to believe "anything" (demons) without evidence.
 
DmitryWI said:
How do you know without even trying?
Here's what you said earlier.



Yet, you keep coming back to talk ****. I'm just gonna ignore your posts from now on, because it's like talking to the wall...
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that was the first good thing to come out of this conversation. Ignore on both sides
 
EESCHMan said:
yes, it may be a general statement...but those who believe in something (god) without evidence, are more likely to believe "anything" (demons) without evidence.
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Just because you don't have any evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exist...
If you bother to research a little you can find tons of it.
 
DmitryWI said:
Because my knowledge is based on my own experiense, all I can give you right now is tons of testimonies to read, from my friend who's been doing same thing we do for over thirty years. You can find tons of crazy stories involving demons, angels, God, and just life problems we are all go through.

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I'm sorry, but once again...is this a joke?!

what's on his head?

A quote from the site:
"Hi Gary- I found very interesting what you said about demon energy being very bad last Thursday and Friday. My car's "check engine" light came on Thursday evening although the car was running just fine. Come to find out (on Friday morning) the battery (fairly new battery, I might add) was shot. Thinking of the car as an extension of me, I guess they tried to get me, but had to settle for Delco! Love your insights and as always I learn so much from you. Love, Chris"

Once again, testimonials aren't proof.
I'm sure there was a logical reason for the car not starting. Maybe it was a defective battery

What's more likely, a defective battery, or a demon sucked out the energy?
 
EESCHMan said:
I'm sorry, but once again...is this a joke?!

what's on his head?

A quote from the site:
"Hi Gary- I found very interesting what you said about demon energy being very bad last Thursday and Friday. My car's "check engine" light came on Thursday evening although the car was running just fine. Come to find out (on Friday morning) the battery (fairly new battery, I might add) was shot. Thinking of the car as an extension of me, I guess they tried to get me, but had to settle for Delco! Love your insights and as always I learn so much from you. Love, Chris"

I honestly haven't read any of them and I'm sure there are tons of idiotics one's, but you can find lots peole with real problems and how they got helped.

Once again, testimonials aren't proof.
I'm sure there was a logical reason for the car not starting. Was it a brand new battery, or one that was getting ready to die anyway?
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I honestly haven't read any of them and I'm sure there are tons of idiotics one's, but you can find lots peole with real problems and how they got helped.

He's a great intertainer, alright. LOL But he helped tons and tons of people with their problems.
 
EESCHMan said:
I'm sorry, but once again...is this a joke?!

what's on his head?

A quote from the site:
"Hi Gary- I found very interesting what you said about demon energy being very bad last Thursday and Friday. My car's "check engine" light came on Thursday evening although the car was running just fine. Come to find out (on Friday morning) the battery (fairly new battery, I might add) was shot. Thinking of the car as an extension of me, I guess they tried to get me, but had to settle for Delco! Love your insights and as always I learn so much from you. Love, Chris"

Once again, testimonials aren't proof.
I'm sure there was a logical reason for the car not starting. Was it a brand new battery, or one that was getting ready to die anyway?
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Seriously, I was wondering the same thing about his head. Dude has got some strange taste in hair style. It would take a lot of "faith" for me to trust this man's competence.
But really, whether or not these types are for real doesn't make a difference to me.
 
Like I said he does it for his shows to attract people and make him recognizable. :) I find it funny too.
 
EESCHMan said:
I'm sorry, but once again...is this a joke?!

what's on his head?

A quote from the site:
"Hi Gary- I found very interesting what you said about demon energy being very bad last Thursday and Friday. My car's "check engine" light came on Thursday evening although the car was running just fine. Come to find out (on Friday morning) the battery (fairly new battery, I might add) was shot. Thinking of the car as an extension of me, I guess they tried to get me, but had to settle for Delco! Love your insights and as always I learn so much from you. Love, Chris"

Once again, testimonials aren't proof.
I'm sure there was a logical reason for the car not starting. Maybe it was a defective battery

What's more likely, a defective battery, or a demon sucked out the energy?
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Sometimes people are more apt to accredit instances to such things because they want so badly to experience them, that they'll make it up. Others, on the otherhand, have had such experiences thrust upon themselves. Picking out what you think is real is something called faith. It doesn't take any believing to be an agnostic, but it does take a little bit of faith to be a Christian.

BTW, you're check engine light will go on if you don't screw your gas cap tightly enough (even though you're engine is running beautifully), and it'll stay on until that fill-up of gas gets burned up. :think:
 
Dr. John said:
According to some, a singularity will appear in some concurrent realities, but not others. Now THAT really cooks one's noodle!
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It cooks my noodle alright. I have trouble visualizing a 4 dimensional universe much less all the realities predicted by contemporary metaphysic! It is fascinating and humbling to consider though.
 
bitterplacebo said:
Thanks.
I liked the evidence from the laws of thermodynamics. It's convincing, but then when we start to talk about our own experiences in faith and how it relates to our hopes coming true, it's hard to believe that it makes for sound, logical reasoning. There's many examples that seem to lead towards the logical fallacies of begging the question or circular reasoning. ...... I don't know what the proper way to "pray" or "talk" to God is, but whenever I start thinking about it, I tend to go over the things I wish were different about my life or things that I want. Then I stop because it seems greedy and selfish, right? But then you wonder if it really is, and I'm just thinking about the things I want because this God entity wants me to think that way, and possibly even wants me to achieve the changes needed to satisfy those desires. Then I laugh at how circular it is. I'd find it good to know that the creator figure had a sense of humor about things, and intentionally made things like this.
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This is a good point. It's where science becomes grey and I can not appeal to strict laws. I think we all have had experience with intuition though. Intuition is knowledge based on experience and acquired though sensory contact with the subject, without the "intuiter" being able to formulate to himself or others exactly how he came to his conclusions. Basically, intuition is a way of knowing something without knowing how you know it. We have all experienced it at some point and know it's true. We often call it being in "the zone". I have gone outside to shoot hoops with my son before and hit 20 crazy shots in a row. I have no logical explanation of how I did it with my lack of practice and skills, but I see the proof that I did it nonetheless! Somehow I knew I just couldn't miss that night. The Bible explains this type of phenomena well. It says the Holy Spirit conveys a peace and ability that surpasses all understanding. I just know what I know but I can't explain it verbally. You will know too, if you show the initiative and pray for truth. He promises to deliver and I can tell you He does!

How do you pray? Forget all the religious protocols and stuff you've seen in the movies, church, or whatever your preconception of what praying 'should be' and just get in a quiet spot by yourself. Clear your mind and open your heart. Remember that God sees right through you anyway so cast off all pretense and formal defense, just be vulnerable and honest. Ask Him your questions. Tell Him that if He's really out there and holds truth and love, you want in on that! God gave us free will, He's not some cosmic rapist who would force Himself upon you, but once you earnestly seek Him, He is obligated by His own word to respond and deposit His Holy Spirit in your heart forever. Once you have that, you will start to understand things on a personal level with Him that you can't verbalize to others but somehow you just know to be true deep in your heart.

That is your test. Please try it first before you give up on God. Think about it, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain!
 
thesinner said:
This was a great read, but one thing you're overlooking with the above statement is how many chances there is to get things right. The odds may be 1 in 10^375, but when you've got infinite chances, you'll keep doing it wrong until it eventually happens right. The odds of winning the lottery are astronomical, but when you have EVERY ticket, it's kinda tough not to win.

By no means am I challenging your central argument of science supporting God. IMO it glorifies Him. But I can honesty say that I believe He was powerful enough and smart enough that he could have easily said, "Let there be light." and watched the universe unravel from there. Afterall, a Day is defined by the Earth's rotation around the sun. If on the first day, all he created energy, there's still a fair deal of time to burn before the Earth would even form.
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I understand your point I think, but you have assumed we live in an infinite universe if you say that all things will eventually happen. That will be a very precarious equation if you can generate it my friend. The data much better supports a finite or closed universe, that's why the odds apply and are so astronomically against random order and life without a god. It's one thing to win the lottery. It's one thing to win the lottery 10,000 times. But to win the lotter 10,000 times in a row, straight? Good luck! All this requires is a little common sense. It does not prove anything, but come on, the odds speak for themselves!! Do you ever go to the races or gamble with cards? Would you EVER take odds like that in any game? Yet you take those odds with the greatest game of all, your life and eternity. I just don't get it. Please, reconsider my points before you conclude. Then if you still feel the same, at least you know you honestly considered all that you were aware of.
 
DR.D said:
I understand your point I think, but you have assumed we live in an infinite universe if you say that all things will eventually happen. That will be a very precarious equation if you can generate it my friend. The data much better supports a finite or closed universe, that's why the odds apply and are so astronomically against random order and life without a god. It's one thing to win the lottery. It's one thing to win the lottery 10,000 times. But to win the lotter 10,000 times in a row, straight? Good luck! All this requires is a little common sense. It does not prove anything, but come on, the odds speak for themselves!! Do you ever go to the races or gamble with cards? Would you EVER take odds like that in any game? Yet you take those odds with the greatest game of all, your life and eternity. I just don't get it. Please, reconsider my points before you conclude. Then if you still feel the same, at least you know you honestly considered all that you were aware of.
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I'm not trying to discredit your thoughts on the odds, and it is a fairly decent argument. I guess what I'm trying to say (and this is going off the theory that mass is created from energy) is that I like to believe that God actually created the most basic aspects of the universe (Time, Space, and Energy), knowing how it would all turn out.

You put a roast in the oven, knowing that in 20 minutes it will be cooked to your liking. God created Time, Space, and Energy knowing that in 7 'days', the universe would form from it.

I guess this way of thinking might be more difficult to believe than your original argument, but that's my own personal spin on Intelligent Design.
 
DR.D said:
How do you pray? Forget all the religious protocols and stuff you've seen in the movies, church, or whatever your preconception of what praying 'should be' and just get in a quiet spot by yourself. Clear your mind and open your heart. Remember that God sees right through you anyway so cast off all pretense and formal defense, just be vulnerable and honest. Ask Him your questions. Tell Him that if He's really out there and holds truth and love, you want in on that! God gave us free will, He's not some cosmic rapist who would force Himself upon you, but once you earnestly seek Him, He is obligated by His own word to respond and deposit His Holy Spirit in your heart forever. Once you have that, you will start to understand things on a personal level with Him that you can't verbalize to others but somehow you just know to be true deep in your heart.

That is your test. Please try it first before you give up on God. Think about it, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain!
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That's great, Dr.D. :) Everyone should follow this advice.
 
thesinner said:
I'm not trying to discredit your thoughts on the odds, and it is a fairly decent argument. I guess what I'm trying to say (and this is going off the theory that mass is created from energy) is that I like to believe that God actually created the most basic aspects of the universe (Time, Space, and Energy), knowing how it would all turn out.

You put a roast in the oven, knowing that in 20 minutes it will be cooked to your liking. God created Time, Space, and Energy knowing that in 7 'days', the universe would form from it.

I guess this way of thinking might be more difficult to believe than your original argument, but that's my own personal spin on Intelligent Design.
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No, you got it! You are absolutely correct and I totally agree. If you know every factor in a recipe or experiment, then the outcome is quite predictable. If you know what the original condition was, then in a cause and effect universe like ours you can predict every single interaction that comes next. God knows exactly what to expect, but the quantum variable is our free will. He surely knows what we will choose, but the choice is no less ours.

I don't get hung up on what the days are to God. 1 day to God are as a 1000 to us the Bible says, but that's not to be taken literally either IMO. He didn't even create the sun until the 4'th day so since we define a "day" based on the rotation of the earth in relation to the sun and moon, it is clearly not a literal interpretation.
 
He is obligated by His own word to respond and deposit His Holy Spirit in your heart forever. Once you have that, you will start to understand things on a personal level with Him that you can't verbalize to others but somehow you just know to be true deep in your heart.

So true, many times I have experienced His closeness that no other feeling or experience could match. Utter awe/peece/comfort.
Sometimes He just whispers, Never will I leave you, Never will I forsake you. A FRIEND LIKE NO OTHER:thumbsup:
 
DR.D said:
Tell Him that if He's really out there and holds truth and love, you want in on that! God gave us free will, He's not some cosmic rapist who would force Himself upon you, but once you earnestly seek Him, He is obligated by His own word to respond and deposit His Holy Spirit in your heart forever.
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This awesome, yet simple insiders piece describes the greatest moment of my life. :)

Ill try to keep this short...

When i was a subborn 16 y/o kid that had enough of hearing about god and all that jazz. Frankly, i was really angry and wanted to know the truth. So, in the mist of depression, and everything i was going through and there were so many things i was confused about. I really just put my life on hold to seek him and the truth about my existance. I didnt call the gf, didnt do out of school stuff, etc. i just came home and read the bible, talked to him like a person/friend, asked for him to come into my life and to "prove himself" to me.

I remeber, I imagined some huge miracle happening and God showing up somewhere with lights and angles. lol. I remember being in church saying "if your here god, talk to me." i would close my eyes and run my fingers accross the closed bible, and pick a spot and read.

Well, after getting so tried of pleading with him to "prove himeself" to me, on a late afternoon when i was just bored, he revealed himeself to me internally, via the holy spirit and a danny chambers tape. :) Such a rush.....so much love, relief, peace, brokenness, emotions filled my heart while adrenaline and weakness filled my body.

I had faith and frankly thats all you need to know the reality of knowing him.

It wasnt about proof. It was about believing, it was about knowing that the beauty, science and perfect structure in this planet didnt come from nowhere. It was knowing that i wasnt just some piece of fungus that's been around a while and it certainly was "something" about the love story for humanity that the bible talks all about. Something very cool about someone so infinite in love and with something so finite!!

Proof....that is the problem with humanity and especially this generation of little faith, its all about proof. its the world we live in and the habbit that blocks us from hearing anything about God.

As Dr.D said, as a christian you can know things deep in your heart and no matter what, you know what you know. it is like nothing else, no other fact in this world. Its a rare and great thing these days and it just so happens to be the most important thing in life. :)
 
This thread has turned into a Monty Python movie.
 
JZ7757 said:
... Proof....that is the problem with humanity and especially this generation of little faith, its all about proof. its the world we live in and the habbit that blocks us from hearing anything about God.

As Dr.D said, as a christian you can know things deep in your heart and no matter what, you know what you know. it is like nothing else, no other fact in this world. Its a rare and great thing these days and it just so happens to be the most important thing in life. :)
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That was an awesome testimony! I wish I would have sough God that early. Man, I put myself though hell from age 16-26, but it sounds like you're a much faster learner than I was. God bless you for you testimony! God bless all men that speak boldly of their experience with Him and have the courage to seek truth in such a scary world! An old Cherokee pray goes like this: Though I walk this life in fear or the wind and rain, grant oh Great Spirit that I may always walk like a man.

As for the "proof" dilemma today, you are absolutely correct. In order to experience faith, it is necessary to avoid the misconception that in order to know something you must be able to put it into word how you know it. Sigmund Freud explained this erroneous modern concept as an overdevelopment of reality testing, which makes people think too far away from nature and common sense happenings. True faith is to know you feel something, not how to verbalize it with words.
 
dsade said:
This thread has turned into a Monty Python Movie.
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"I think it was 'Blessed are the Cheesemakers'."

"What's so special about the Cheesemakers?"

"Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products."
 
thesinner said:
"I think it was 'Blessed are the Cheesemakers'."

"What's so special about the Cheesemakers?"

"Well, obviously it's not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products."
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I demand a shrubbery! :p
 
The mathematics of string theory suggests that the world we know is not complete. In addition to our four familiar dimensions - three-dimensional space and time - string theory predicts the existence of six extra spatial dimensions, "hidden" dimensions curled in tiny geometric shapes at every single point in our universe.

Don't worry if you can't picture a 10-dimensional world. Our minds are accustomed to only three spatial dimensions and lack a frame of reference for the other six, says UW-Madison physicist Gary Shiu, who led the new study. Though scientists use computers to visualize what these six-dimensional geometries could look like (see image), no one really knows for sure what shape they take.

Here's full article.

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DmitryWI said:
The mathematics of string theory suggests that the world we know is not complete. In addition to our four familiar dimensions - three-dimensional space and time - string theory predicts the existence of six extra spatial dimensions, "hidden" dimensions curled in tiny geometric shapes at every single point in our universe.

Don't worry if you can't picture a 10-dimensional world. Our minds are accustomed to only three spatial dimensions and lack a frame of reference for the other six, says UW-Madison physicist Gary Shiu, who led the new study. Though scientists use computers to visualize what these six-dimensional geometries could look like (see image), no one really knows for sure what shape they take.

Here's full article.

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That article mentions the big bang, so it must be false.
 
DmitryWI said:
The mathematics of string theory suggests that the world we know is not complete. In addition to our four familiar dimensions - three-dimensional space and time - string theory predicts the existence of six extra spatial dimensions, "hidden" dimensions curled in tiny geometric shapes at every single point in our universe.

Don't worry if you can't picture a 10-dimensional world. Our minds are accustomed to only three spatial dimensions and lack a frame of reference for the other six, says UW-Madison physicist Gary Shiu, who led the new study. Though scientists use computers to visualize what these six-dimensional geometries could look like (see image), no one really knows for sure what shape they take.

Here's full article.

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Tachyons travel from point A to point B before the imagine of them will make it there; therefore, if you were a tachyon, you could look back and see yourself. Since Photons are the fastest moving particles, moving at the speed of light, and have zero mass, it is proposed that tachyons would have a negative mass. Care for another mushroom?
 
DmitryWI said:
The mathematics of string theory suggests that the world we know is not complete. In addition to our four familiar dimensions - three-dimensional space and time - string theory predicts the existence of six extra spatial dimensions, "hidden" dimensions curled in tiny geometric shapes at every single point in our universe.

Don't worry if you can't picture a 10-dimensional world. Our minds are accustomed to only three spatial dimensions and lack a frame of reference for the other six, says UW-Madison physicist Gary Shiu, who led the new study. Though scientists use computers to visualize what these six-dimensional geometries could look like (see image), no one really knows for sure what shape they take.

Here's full article.

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A video that may help you imagine ten dimensions.
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I had an uncle who "knew" he was Napoleon...knew it in his heart.
 
DmitryWI said:
Thanks for the link, I tried to watch it but it's pretty confusing. All I know is there are a lot more dimention, such as spiritual dimentions and a lot of people who can see spiritually are able to see in those dimentions. This is where God, and Heaven are.
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From the explanation in the video, I would be more likely to believe that God resides in the 10th dimension, than other spiritual dimensions that I haven't seen any reasoning about. If there is some good explanations of the possibility of "spiritual" dimensions, point them out to me, I'm sure it would at least be interesting to read about.

But there seems to be no where else to go from that the 10th dimensional point, and the video demonstrated that it can be logically and soundly reasoned up to that point. So that's my best guess for where one might "find" God, or that the dimension itself is him.
 
Why is it that the believers (in these threads who found God all of a sudden) were all in bad situations: depressed, in a cult, drugs, etc?

"So, in the mist of depression, and everything i was going through and there were so many things i was confused about"

"Ive lived a past that Im not proud of and Ive done things that Ill probably never repeat.I didnt have a science background to evaluate Gods existence but I have had a few supernatural experiences that science will NEVER explain outside of divine intervention.My past is riddled with everything that you can imagine besides actual murder and that one almost came to pass.I was into the occult and Ive experienced "evil" which I now know as demonic presences/forces"

Don't you think that has something to do with your belief?

Why is it that murderers all of a sudden are born again?

It seems you are in a "bad place" and need "something" to make you feel better/worthy...
 
There are many people that havent had to live through such trauma and found God.But to answer your question the bible says "he whos forgiven much loves much" and its now because of this love for people and their wellbeing that I tell of my experience that it may encourage someone and give them hope.

My question is why is it that you are standing up against something you dont believe in?
 
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