Does science support the existence of God?

[poison]

People have a natural desire to believe in a higher power, for many reasons. A primary reason is that it's ough to think that 'this is it', especially as you get older. You want life to mean more, and you want to believe there is something beyond random reasoning, chance, and blind luck. That someone cares.

I'm not belittling anyone here; I was born Christian, converted to Judaism, and am now a non-religious Jew. But when people open their hearts, or a sermon or song speaks to them...I don't believe anything spoke to them. It's simply them desiring something to fill anyone of the needs above.

I strongly disagree with the Christian outlook that people are born evil, or sinners. I think religion, of nearly any type, simply gives people a framework, and in doing so improves their lives. All religions are the collective work of centuries of individuals input, and the framework has been refined by their collective thought. Word of God or not, all religions were written by man, and they bears man's fingerprint. Some people are more inclined to do evil, be it through personality, up bringing, or any one of a number of other things. When they discover religion, it's a revelation, because they can essentially give up them helm, and sink into the hands of those wise men who collectively shaped the religion of choice. Religion is a guide book, which none of us are born with. It's much easier to live with direction that is spelled out, than direction you write by doing. You learn from others mistakes.

The jury is out for me. I have no idea who is right. I'm not sure it matters. I'm not sure we all aren't right. Maybe it's something totally different. I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what religion you choose, or don't, as long as you live by the Golden Rule: do unto others. Be kind, humble, and strong, and do what's right.

 

[friction515]

I see what you are saying however we have an understanding of the natural, and we dont have full understanding at that, but we have no understanding of the supernatural. Why would a god want to create this universe? Where does god begin and end? How is it possible for this "god" to be static? I know we are going into entropy and all the great thermal dynamic stuff, order, disorder, yeah it would be an anomoly for us to exist naturally but I think the universe is large enough to support one statistical anomoly. I dont know I just think to act like not believing in god is uninteligent isnt the greatest way of putting it.

 

[friction515]

Besides creationism is so old testament, Jesus said himself the old law is dead. In my mind Jesus was a radical with eastern beliefs I love christianity. But the old testament is just there for more historical purposes. To me the old testament is just parabol after parabol with a little reality here and there, too much fire and brimstone. To each their own though.

 

[EESCHMan]

As with all these discussions, no side convinces the other...

One thing I never understood is how a non-believer supposedly goes to hell, but a murderer who "finds" Jesus, somehow is given a pass...
As mmowry said himself...he's done pretty "bad" things and now has found god and according to most, will get into heaven.
On the other hand, I (who don't believe) and have treated people/animals well, lived a decent life (and don't bring up the "everyone sins" deal...have you ever look at a woman with lust, blah, blah, blah) will be going to hell.

Luckily, I don't believe in either...

I feel this discussion is coming to an end...

 

[MrTotality]

No, I'm really not ignoring you, I just don't think we're communicating well. I keep having to repeat myself with you. No, 1 book didn't lead me to anything! By background (science) and personal observation led me to my insights. I actually found hell before heaven. I realized that something was going on in my life, something intangible and sublime but nonetheless quite apparent and I could not descride it with any other word aside from "evil", which was a foreign word to me at the time. I wondered why I could not describe it any other way if I did not previously recognize good and evil? But long story short, I reconed if there was actually evil as I had ebcountered, that made it necessary for good to exist too since a force requires an opposing, balancing component to satisfy equilibrium. I discovered hell before I accepted heaven.

Reading the Bible was hard! For about 2 wks I was very confused. The Bible seemed so bloody and barbaric to me. All the animal sacrifices and stuff seemed weird and made me very reluctant to keep reading! Believe me, I'm not one of those guys that "got saved" in an alter call and threw myself on the floor like some stereotypical, overly emotional Christian you see on TV. It was not hyper-suggestion that convinced me to consider it. I forced myself to read the Bible because as a scientist, I have to run assays and conduct tests whether I like it or not. Only the truth matters and what I wish was true is totally irrelevant. I am not basing my beliefs on any 1 book. I am saying once you decide to investigate it, it does add up and is supportable. That's how it happened with me at least.

Some do get instant revelation and know the same day they are saved. It took me weeks of fear and hesitation to accept though. It simply came to the point I could no longer deny it. Once I had really started to integrate it all, the evidence was too strong and could see proof in my own life too. Maybe you should clear you preconceptions as best you can and give it another chance? I know you haven't, because if you did the truth would find you too. Don't be scared to face it.

I do respect your experiences and I congratulate you if you feel you have truly found something. From my experiences in religion, which have included years of studying and teaching, I have found my own belief system which is completely nontheistic. I am a Buddhist. However I would say that my studies in a more western view of religion has been filled with guilt, sadness, violence and hypocriscy, something which is missing from all other religions except those that are monotheistic. I find it sad to watch this country denegrate based on an administration so tied to a religion that has not assisted in moving forward, and only held the country back. Terribly sad and harmful.

 

[MrTotality]

Besides creationism is so old testament, Jesus said himself the old law is dead. In my mind Jesus was a radical with eastern beliefs I love christianity. But the old testament is just there for more historical purposes. To me the old testament is just parabol after parabol with a little reality here and there, too much fire and brimstone. To each their own though.

so then the OT is not true but the NT is true? Just trying to clarify

 

[DR.D]

Sometimes love has to drive a nail into its own hand
Sometimes love has to drive a nail into its own hand

One pair of hands broke some bread and washed some feet
Opened eyes and soothed an angry sea
Belong to a man who could see our deepest need
And showed us love the way it has to be
‘Cause he knew the price that love requires
And he laid down his own desires
He stretched out his hands to save his friends
And said no other love is higher
Love can change us, love can make a way
Only love can change us, love can make a way

Sometimes love has to drive a nail into its own hand

The way I see it He let's us make our own desicions (free will)
And it is good to examine all the evidence

Amen my friend. Without love, it's all for nothing. Love never fails.
:goodpost:

 

[DR.D]

As with all these discussions, no side convinces the other...

One thing I never understood is how a non-believer supposedly goes to hell, but a murderer who "finds" Jesus, somehow is given a pass...
As mmowry said himself...he's done pretty "bad" things and now has found god and according to most, will get into heaven.
On the other hand, I (who don't believe) and have treated people/animals well, lived a decent life (and don't bring up the "everyone sins" deal...have you ever look at a woman with lust, blah, blah, blah) will be going to hell.

Luckily, I don't believe in either...

I feel this discussion is coming to an end...

I address this in another thread (post#86)

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[DmitryWI]

by that argument what created the creator?
I love the first creation argument

Time only exist in physical dimention we live. There's no such thing as time or distance in the spiritual dimentions. There's no future, present or past.
So God always has been and always will be.

 

[MrTotality]

Time only exist in physical dimention we live. There's no such thing as time or distance in the spiritual dimentions. There's no future, present or past.
So God always has been and always will be.

just curious how you know this for certainty?

also, permanent existence is something that does not exist in "our" world, so it would seem how hard it would be to comprehend this

 

[anabolicrhino]

just curious how you know this for certainty?

also, permanent existence is something that does not exist in "our" world, so it would seem how hard it would be to comprehend this

How do you know anything for certain?

Time is a construct that has to be taught, specifically the concepts of past and future. The perception that time can be divided is the easiest construct to observe because the units of measure are also concepts that are taught based upon an hierarchy of information with respect to the authority of the source.

Existence is a perception that is biased by the observer.

"I think therefore I am" Descartes

" I stink therefore I am" The guy next to me on the subway

 

[peece]

"I am that I am" Popeye the sailerman

 

[MrTotality]

How do you know anything for certain?

Time is a construct that has to be taught, specifically the concepts of past and future. The perception that time can be divided is the easiest construct to observe because the units of measure are also concepts that are taught based upon an hierarchy of information with respect to the authority of the source.

Existence is a perception that is biased by the observer.

"I think therefore I am" Descartes

" I stink therefore I am" The guy next to me on the subway

well based on this there are no certainties in essence all faith. It seems that your faith leads you in a different direction than mine.

 

[Chemist2234]

It is hard to comprehend for many, but "our" world is a tiny little part of the spiritual world, and it doesn't have permanent existence because it's physical, but everything created first in the spiritual dimentions before it becomes physical in our world.
How do I know that? Because I'm a manager for this guy and he's able to see into spiritual dimentions and able to tell you about your past present and future, because once again there's no time or distance there.
He's able to cure many sicknesses, physical or emotional, because once again, everything created in the spiritual dimentions first, so if he removes that sickness from your higher yourself, it will dissapear in your physical body as well.

Can he make my penis bigger too??

 

[MrTotality]

It is hard to comprehend for many, but "our" world is a tiny little part of the spiritual world, and it doesn't have permanent existence because it's physical, but everything created first in the spiritual dimentions before it becomes physical in our world.
How do I know that? Because I'm a manager for this guy and he's able to see into spiritual dimentions and able to tell you about your past present and future, because once again there's no time or distance there.
He's able to cure many sicknesses, physical or emotional, because once again, everything created in the spiritual dimentions first, so if he removes that sickness from your higher yourself, it will dissapear in your physical body as well.

no disrespect intended but .........oh boy.

I will leave my disbelief at that

 

[anatolian]

That was a very good read...thankyou. I have wanted to say those things to so many people but I just dont know enough yet to rebuttle someones argument about Christ, I have just started reading and asking questions myself. Anyhow, very enlightning and very informative...thanks again.

 

[MrTotality]

I know it's hard to wrap your mind around it and I don't really expect someone to believe what I say but when someone asks for a proof of it I could always do that.

please do

 

[friction515]

You are on his website with him, are you not? You are also organizing for him? It would'nt benefit you financially at all if we were to go ask him some questions for a good amount of money?

 

[macedaddy]

in on this one..........will contribute more later.......
:box:

 

[EESCHMan]

It is hard to comprehend for many, but "our" world is a tiny little part of the spiritual world, and it doesn't have permanent existence because it's physical, but everything created first in the spiritual dimentions before it becomes physical in our world.
How do I know that? Because I'm a manager for this guy and he's able to see into spiritual dimentions and able to tell you about your past present and future, because once again there's no time or distance there.
He's able to cure many sicknesses, physical or emotional, because once again, everything created in the spiritual dimentions first, so if he removes that sickness from your higher yourself, it will dissapear in your physical body as well.

I'm sorry, but please tell me this is a joke...

 

[DmitryWI]

I'm sorry, but please tell me this is a joke...

I'm sorry, but no.

 

[Chemist2234]

I'm sorry, but please tell me this is a joke...

i know right.....i have no words.....

 

[bitterplacebo]

..
The universe has no creator/cause.

1) It has never existed so it has no beginning or end. This model requires no creator, but is also rather absurd. We are here! I mean, we can all agree that we do exist and something is going on here, right? If this is all just an illusion, then the argument can stop here because the question is just an illusion too.

I thought this option seemed to be dismissed too quickly. Why can't the universe be an illusion? I often feel disconnected from whatever reality is. So I had some ideas and thoughts, that might not directly fit this scenario, but it would be something like

The universe has no direct or intentional creator/cause.

My background is computer science, so it's easier for me to think of this in terms of programming.

The programmer (God) is messing around with some code that the old employee wrote. This previous person is not available to contact anymore about the details of how things work. Also there's no documentation and the existing source code is either terribly confusing to understand or he's not allowed to see the exact implementation, but God needs to get some stuff done for whatever his job is. He makes some function calls or instantiates some data types that the previous person wrote, without knowing the code he wrote will lead to the creation of our universe.

And that would be accidental creation.

I've also thought about the universe as a reflection or projection from something else that we cannot observe. A thing that's beyond our current comprehension of space and time. Such a concept beyond our understanding would certainly also have an existence or origin beyond our understanding as well.

Our universe as we know it could be a reflection, an unintended accident, by product, or side effect of the existence of something (God?) beyond the scope of our mind.

This, then, would be the case that our universe exists not because God created it, but either just because God exists or because something created God, and the universe is the reflection or shadow.

But following this seems to also lead backwards to a singularity, and a point where everything was intelligently organized.

I like to put my faith in truth, as known among us. I believe that hiding from, fearing, or forsaking the truth is the cause of all humankind's problems. I know this to be the case because I experienced the suffering that goes along with it. For nearly four years I've dealt with psychological issues, and not being able to understand others. Not even being able to understand myself. But I've learned to stop ignoring a few of the truths that may have been causing me so much difficulty, and just recently I've been able to start coming off my medications. So I know it's best to actively seek and embrace the truth whenever there's doubt. Knowledge, truth, and honesty are the origins of my strength.
If your God is the set of all truths, then I believe in God.

 

[Chemist2234]

Has it ever occurred to anyone that we are an insignificant spec of dust it a much larger unimaginable reality. Our universe could be a singular atom in the testicle of a much larger being. Just throwing it out there....

 

[CROWLER]

Whether you believe there IS or is NOT a God it is only logical to act as if there IS.

If you act as the bible says to act, meaning kind to other people, beings etc and there IS a God you will go to heaven.

If you act as the bible says to act meaning kind to other people and beings etc and there is NOT a God, you still lived a good life.

 

[anabolicrhino]

I thought this option seemed to be dismissed too quickly. Why can't the universe be an illusion? I often feel disconnected from whatever reality is. So I had some ideas and thoughts, that might not directly fit this scenario, but it would be something like

The universe has no direct or intentional creator/cause.

My background is computer science, so it's easier for me to think of this in terms of programming.

The programmer (God) is messing around with some code that the old employee wrote. This previous person is not available to contact anymore about the details of how things work. Also there's no documentation and the existing source code is either terribly confusing to understand or he's not allowed to see the exact implementation, but God needs to get some stuff done for whatever his job is. He makes some function calls or instantiates some data types that the previous person wrote, without knowing the code he wrote will lead to the creation of our universe.

And that would be accidental creation.

I've also thought about the universe as a reflection or projection from something else that we cannot observe. A thing that's beyond our current comprehension of space and time. Such a concept beyond our understanding would certainly also have an existence or origin beyond our understanding as well.

Our universe as we know it could be a reflection, an unintended accident, by product, or side effect of the existence of something (God?) beyond the scope of our mind.

This, then, would be the case that our universe exists not because God created it, but either just because God exists or because something created God, and the universe is the reflection or shadow.

But following this seems to also lead backwards to a singularity, and a point where everything was intelligently organized.

I like to put my faith in truth, as known among us. I believe that hiding from, fearing, or forsaking the truth is the cause of all humankind's problems. I know this to be the case because I experienced the suffering that goes along with it. For nearly four years I've dealt with psychological issues, and not being able to understand others. Not even being able to understand myself. But I've learned to stop ignoring a few of the truths that may have been causing me so much difficulty, and just recently I've been able to start coming off my medications. So I know it's best to actively seek and embrace the truth whenever there's doubt. Knowledge, truth, and honesty are the origins of my strength.
If your God is the set of all truths, then I believe in God.

These are good points!

What if we are all programmers hacking our own lives? The more creative you are at programming, the more creative control you will have over reality. However to have complete creative control , you must hack the source code, which has been hidden by the creator. This concept of reality as software allows for different levels of comprehension of a multi dimensional reality that has always existed, but has to be discovered by each individual though his own journey.

What if you ultimately discover that you are the creator and just forgot?... and then forgot that you had forgotten???

 

[mmowry]

bitterplacebo Jesus did say that He was the Way,the Truth and The Life.Just a point to consider.

 

[CROWLER]

Let me see... No you are screwed, tiny-boy.

Brian can fix only things that not "natural" for your body. Such as cancer, depression, headaches, he's working right now on getting rid of my gyno (****ing superdrol), will see how it goes.

You are saying this 15 year old kid named Brian cures cancer. You may want to reword that as that could be considered practicing medicine without a license.


CROWLER

 

[mmowry]

Whether you believe there IS or is NOT a God it is only logical to act as if there IS.

If you act as the bible says to act, meaning kind to other people, beings etc and there IS a God you will go to heaven.

If you act as the bible says to act meaning kind to other people and beings etc and there is NOT a God, you still lived a good life.

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" so I must disagree."For theres not one whos good but God" and "our works are as of filthy rags".God loves us and has provided the way to have our sins forgiven and to spend eternity with Him."For if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord then you shall be saved."and "if you deny me before men I will deny you before my Father in Heaven"

This is what bothers me about watered down Christianity.Its not about works or living a good life but about having a personal and meaningful relationship with Jesus Christ.Thats what its ALL about.Not trying to be mean so I hope noone takes it that way but a half truth is still a lie.

 

[CROWLER]

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" so I must disagree."For theres not one whos good but God" and "our works are as of filthy rags".God loves us and has provided the way to have our sins forgiven and to spend eternity with Him."For if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord then you shall be saved."and "if you deny me before men I will deny you before my Father in Heaven"

This is what bothers me about watered down Christianity.Its not about works or living a good life but about having a personal and meaningful relationship with Jesus Christ.Thats what its ALL about.Not trying to be mean so I hope noone takes it that way but a half truth is still a lie.

I gotta be honest I don't have a clue what you just wrote lol

My post was from a movie it was meant as a joke, see the smiley


CROWLER

 

[MrTotality]

What's in it for me? I could care less what you believe or don't for that matter.
But if you ever open your mind and think for just a second about possibility of God's existence then send me an e-mail with you questions to God and I'll rely His answers to you.

man, that was hilarious.

Here is what I just saw:

I know someone who can perform miracles and I can prove it. However since you dont believe like I do, I wont do it.

The end

Sorry, but no proof on your end to support a very substantial claim

 

[Chemist2234]

i have a massive malignant tumor on my testicle (the left one) do you think you can get your boy to fix me up...hell, ill even spend massive amounts of money for him to do it...all else has failed to cure me...please help

 

[anatolian]

"For all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God" so I must disagree."For theres not one whos good but God" and "our works are as of filthy rags".God loves us and has provided the way to have our sins forgiven and to spend eternity with Him."For if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord then you shall be saved."and "if you deny me before men I will deny you before my Father in Heaven"

This is what bothers me about watered down Christianity.Its not about works or living a good life but about having a personal and meaningful relationship with Jesus Christ.Thats what its ALL about.Not trying to be mean so I hope noone takes it that way but a half truth is still a lie.

That is my understanding, that the one thing we need to worry about is our salvation, we are going to sin no matter how clean we think we are livin.

 

[mmowry]

Crowler my bad but at least I put that post out there anyhow.

anatolian you are correct.Salvation is the key.Sin is just "missing the mark" we dont have to break any commandments for it to be considered sin.Any wrong or wrongly motivated choice is missing the mark.I dont think theres any of us here that dont sin when we have to deal with other motorists.I know I do and more frequently than I like to admit.

 

[MrTotality]

He doesn't do any miracles, God does it. I said you can send me an e-mail, please learn how to read.
But my point was is I could care less what you believe in and I feel like no matter what I'll tell you it's not gonna change your mind, simply because you are not able to think outside the box. And if something doesn't fit in your brain you just gonna deny it, no matter what.

If I misunderstood your ramblings I apologize :rasp: , but I just want to make sure I get this straight. This guy who you work with can heal through god? and you want him to heal your gyno? So you are making a big assumption that god is so bored that it would like to heal your gyno? Geez this thread took a turn down moron lane

 

[DR.D]

That was a very good read...thankyou. I have wanted to say those things to so many people but I just dont know enough yet to rebuttle someones argument about Christ, I have just started reading and asking questions myself. Anyhow, very enlightning and very informative...thanks again.

You are most welcome! Talk to anybody who'll listen to you. God will give you the correct words at the time you need them. Just stay within your blessing.

 

[DR.D]

i know right.....i have no words.....

Dismiss nothing this important so rapidly! No matter what it sounds like on the surface. You were still interested when you though you could get some wiener action out of it, remember?

 

[DR.D]

i have a massive malignant tumor on my testicle (the left one) do you think you can get your boy to fix me up...hell, ill even spend massive amounts of money for him to do it...all else has failed to cure me...please help

First you want wiener enlargement and now you're on a testicle kick. Your theory of the universe even involved your testicles I think, lol. I can advise you with that tumor. I can put you on a protocol that will make BOTH of your testicles rapidly disappear for a long long time. Now stop acting like a pre-vert!

 

[DR.D]

... Geez this thread took a turn down moron lane

Mormons will be the subject of my next thread (j/K). Seriously though, no more name calling please. It dissipates the importance of these issues and is simply not necessary.

 

[DR.D]

... If your God is the set of all truths, then I believe in God.

Honestly, that's not a bad analogy! I have often thought of human DNA as the lines of code making up human 'programs', kind of like a Matrix scenario. God's words comprise everything we see. This universe could be like His dream or vision, literally the energy impulses or thoughts existing within His mind.

But you're right, He can not be directly detected unless He wants to. God is a singularity and the universe abhors a naked singularity! Just like a black hole is a singularity. You can not 'see' it directly but you know it's there because of the effect it has on objects around it. It distorts space/time near it's event horizon and that can be measured. Such is God. Faith is the substance of things hoped for. You do not see Him, but as you see your hopes being substantiated, you realize your faith is not misplaced!

 

[EESCHMan]

I don't know if it'll happen, it'd be awesome thou
You know nothing about it, so stop making assumsions or insulting me. If you ask God, even if it's the smallest thing, He sure can help you. If you ask God for proof, He will give it to you, untill then don't talk like you know everything.

1. If God is healing/curing people, why do I need to pay this kid to do it?!

2. Why is this kid not on the news with his "miraculous" powers?

3. Why don't you have him collect James Randi's $1,000,000 by proving he has these powers?

 

[MrTotality]

I don't know if it'll happen, it'd be awesome thou
You know nothing about it, so stop making assumsions or insulting me. If you ask God, even if it's the smallest thing, He sure can help you. If you ask God for proof, He will give it to you, untill then don't talk like you know everything.

Oh for goodness sakes. First, loose the soap box, it is a very unattractive quality.

Second, it is you that is making very large assumptions. I am in no way trying to act like I know everything, however, it seems that your stratements are mired in your own mispladced facts. So please heed your own advice

 

[MrTotality]

Mormons will be the subject of my next thread (j/K). Seriously though, no more name calling please. It dissipates the importance of these issues and is simply not necessary.

I do apologize. It was more an attempt at humor than meant as being rude

 

[bitterplacebo]

Honestly, that's not a bad analogy! I have often thought of human DNA as the lines of code making up human 'programs', kind of like a Matrix scenario. God's words comprise everything we see. This universe could be like His dream or vision, literally the energy impulses or thoughts existing within His mind.

But you're right, He can not be directly detected unless He wants to. God is a singularity and the universe abhors a naked singularity! Just like a black hole is a singularity. You can not 'see' it directly but you know it's there because of the effect it has on objects around it. It distorts space/time near it's event horizon and that can be measured. Such is God. Faith is the substance of things hoped for. You do not see Him, but as you see your hopes being substantiated, you realize your faith is not misplaced!

Thanks.
I liked the evidence from the laws of thermodynamics. It's convincing, but then when we start to talk about our own experiences in faith and how it relates to our hopes coming true, it's hard to believe that it makes for sound, logical reasoning. There's many examples that seem to lead towards the logical fallacies of begging the question or circular reasoning.

Ex:
given that "my hopes are all being substantiated"
suppose "there is a God that can substantiate all my hopes"
therefore "God is the cause of my hopes being substantiated"
but we never proved the supposition

that's one I came up with, but I'm sure the God shows up in many more examples of logical fallacies like

"God exists because the Bible says so. The Bible is a reliable source because it is the word of God."

There's also one about God being good that I can't remember or find the exact reasoning. I haven't ready any texts in their entirety and remember few of my experiences from church when I was very little many years ago. All my beliefs and ideas are one's I've developed for myself, so tell me if I get something wrong here.

So if you suppose God is good, and everything that happens is part of the plan and also good, it seems we end up with some interesting situations. There wouldn't really be any sin, because those are just acts that God wanted to occur. There wouldn't be a need for any opposing side to God, like Satan. If people question the existence of God, it would be because he wanted it that way.

I don't know what the proper way to "pray" or "talk" to God is, but whenever I start thinking about it, I tend to go over the things I wish were different about my life or things that I want. Then I stop because it seems greedy and selfish, right? But then you wonder if it really is, and I'm just thinking about the things I want because this God entity wants me to think that way, and possibly even wants me to achieve the changes needed to satisfy those desires. Then I laugh at how circular it is. I'd find it good to know that the creator figure had a sense of humor about things, and intentionally made things like this.

 

[DmitryWI]

Oh for goodness sakes. First, loose the soap box, it is a very unattractive quality.

Second, it is you that is making very large assumptions. I am in no way trying to act like I know everything, however, it seems that your stratements are mired in your own mispladced facts. So please heed your own advice

You asked for a proof, I told you to send me an e-mail with your questions, you didn't do it... what else do you want?

 

[EESCHMan]

1. You don't have to pay him anything if you can do it yourself. We actually teach people how to meditate and how to communicate with God and get help straight from God.

2. Actually I was watching CNN few months ago and they were talking about a woman who had hiccups for 7 months and doctors weren't able to help her and they were looking for help and B said he could fix it instantly in front of tv cameras, but news lady never replied to me. We helped that poor lady anyway thou.
There're a lot of people like you, who think they know everything and make their mind up without even bothering to do a little of research of the topic and have a discussion about it other then calling me names. But that's ok... I'll survive

3. I asked him about it and he said it's not for us...

Here's the thing about God. He doesn't prove anything to anybody just for sakes of proving it. But when someone, willing to believe in God and ask for help or proof, God will never turn his back on you.

1. So why are you charging?
2. a) I never said I know everything b) there is no "documented" case of anyone doing any "actual healing" c) I never called you anything (name)

Why doesn't he help amputees?
I'm fully willing to believe in god if I see ONE amputee grow a new limb.
Of course that WOULD be a miracle!
all these other so-called "miracles" have other, more likely, explanations.

 

[peece]

So if you suppose God is good, and everything that happens is part of the plan and also good, it seems we end up with some interesting situations. There wouldn't really be any sin, because those are just acts that God wanted to occur. There wouldn't be a need for any opposing side to God, like Satan. If people question the existence of God, it would be because he wanted it that way.

I like to think of it this way. I am a father and I have 2 children. In my heart I want them to be happy, and to make good decisions. Like for instance, I don't want them to play in the middle of the street for fear they might get hit by a car. Now, I have discussed with them the why and because and they understand that is not good for them to do this thing since it could lead to harm.

Yet, ultimately the decision is theirs to make. I cannot program them like a computor or a robot, they have to decide for themselves.

In the same way God (The Father) set principles for good behavior that will keep us out of trouble and in fact help other people to succeed and be helped if we follow those principles/commandments (Love one another, be kind, be patient, look out for each other)
However, people make their own decisions and those decisions obsviously have ramifications for good or bad.

 

[EESCHMan]

So if you suppose God is good, and everything that happens is part of the plan and also good, it seems we end up with some interesting situations. There wouldn't really be any sin, because those are just acts that God wanted to occur. There wouldn't be a need for any opposing side to God, like Satan. If people question the existence of God, it would be because he wanted it that way.

I like to think of it this way. I am a father and I have 2 children. In my heart I want them to be happy, and to make good decisions. Like for instance, I don't want them to play in the middle of the street for fear they might get hit by a car. Now, I have discussed with them the why and because and they understand that is not good for them to do this thing since it could lead to harm.

Yet, ultimately the decision is theirs to make. I cannot program them like a computor or a robot, they have to decide for themselves.

In the same way God (The Father) set principles for good behavior that will keep us out of trouble and in fact help other people to succeed and be helped if we follow those principles/commandments (Love one another, be kind, be patient, look out for each other)
However, people make their own decisions and those decisions obsviously have ramifications for good or bad.

These "principals" though, have been around before "The Bible," so they can't be claimed to be Christian Principals.

I'm not religious (or a believer) and I go by the Golden Rule (which isn't only in the Bible either) so how does one account for that?

 

[EESCHMan]

1. Why not? We got bills to pay too. B only can do as much as God allows him to do. If it would be wrong, God wouldn't let him do that.2. a. Well, I understand, but you jump into conclusion without doing any research on it and not making any argument, other than calling it BS.
b. There are tons of testimonies from people who got help from God, through Brian or other healers.
c. I appreciate that.

Amputee will never grow a leg back, let's be real. I've never claimed we can help anybody with everything. Everyone is different. A lot of things can't be fixed period and some things just meant to be. And I never advised not to see regular doctor. But I could tell you that he did help with cancer, thyroid, depression headaches and many other things.

If you want more proof feel free to send me an e-mail too with your questions for God and I'll relay His answers to you.

2a) God won't let him do that, but he'll let people kill others...what happened to free will?!

2b) testimonies are not proof. Go to a cancer ward and find a child who has terminal cancer (verified by a panel of doctors) and then get rid of it. Then have another panel of doctor's verify that is in fact no longer there.

"Amputee will never grow a leg back, let's be real. I've never claimed we can help anybody with everything.

Yes, lets...but it's not you helping it's god...God can do anything!

 

[DmitryWI]

look out for each other[/I])
However, people make their own decisions and those decisions obsviously have ramifications for good or bad.

Yes, it's exactly what it is. You got it right. People keep asking why bad things happen to them, why God let it happen?
It has nothing to do with God. He gave us free will. A lot of bad things happen to us because we brough it on ourselves or other person takes that free will away from you.