Do you think girls...

haha.. he loves me very veyr much and is well aware of my personality etc. he loves it... i keep him on his toes... or his back.. or his knees, or in the shower, the car, the stop and shop lol
 
Squeaks4ver said:
haha.. he loves me very veyr much and is well aware of my personality etc. he loves it... i keep him on his toes... or his back.. or his knees, or in the shower, the car, the stop and shop lol
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Damn......talk about keeping it interesting. ;)

That's definitely a quality i admire. :D
 
Palo Alto Labs said:
nice guys dont finish last..... boring guys do


i used to be a nice guy.. then i realized i was making mistakes by trying to be too nice and proper... i was trying to show my value to a woman by being nice... i SHOULD have been showing my value by being interesting.

find something interesting about yourself that sets you apart from the 10000 other guys she meets everyday. What is it that makes you different from the rest of them. talk about her and then introduce queues about you. find some common ground.

ive always held true to being a nice guy... but i came out of my shy shell and will lead a conversation with a girl rather than waiting for her move.

the best thing I ever learned: If you can make a girl laugh.... shes yours.

the jerk only usually wins bc the other guys stand down to him.. making him look dominant.
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So true my friend so true!! I myself was the same way, figured it out the hard way but now that i have its alllll gravy!
 
And someone in another thread said they didnt want a wife like squeaks... :fool2:

Going back to the original topic, I think it depends on where you are at in your life. If youre like a lot of younger guys, and youre not ready settle down and find "the one" right away, by all means, be a prick to pick up women if thats what works for you. If youre past that and have the party scene behind you already, you need to be an interesting nice guy, and after a lot of sifting through the wrong ones at the wrong points in their lives, you might find the right one thats in the right place in his/her life.

Youre not going to find the love of your life at a bar, and by being a bad boy type jerk. You dont go out to try to pick up your future wife, you go to pick up your future partner in intercourse. That usually should be all you get out of that. So if youre looking for more than that, youre going to have to use charm and honest good intentions. And I think when you meet the right one, you dont need to worry about using tactics to draw her interests, because if its really the right person, it will just fit. Youll be yourself, she will be herself, and you will both share an interest in each other. If shes going out with the jerk off, shes most likely not ready to settle down.

I also think that too man people try to look for certain qualities in a person, and try to latch on when they find them. Instead of waiting and actually finding someone that theyre fully compatible with. Like if a chick is hot, has big tits, and is a lot of fun to party with, just because youre attracted to her, that doesnt mean shes the one that you need to be in a relationship with. Most likely thats not going to work out for you.

So just be yourself and use patience when looking. Or be a d*ck, and use all the types of deception thats out there if youre looking for a hookup.
 
Maverick60 said:
And someone in another thread said they didnt want a wife like squeaks... :fool2:

Going back to the original topic, I think it depends on where you are at in your life. If youre like a lot of younger guys, and youre not ready settle down and find "the one" right away, by all means, be a prick to pick up women if thats what works for you. If youre past that and have the party scene behind you already, you need to be an interesting nice guy, and after a lot of sifting through the wrong ones at the wrong points in their lives, you might find the right one thats in the right place in his/her life.

Youre not going to find the love of your life at a bar, and by being a bad boy type jerk. You dont go out to try to pick up your future wife, you go to pick up your future partner in intercourse. That usually should be all you get out of that. So if youre looking for more than that, youre going to have to use charm and honest good intentions. And I think when you meet the right one, you dont need to worry about using tactics to draw her interests, because if its really the right person, it will just fit. Youll be yourself, she will be herself, and you will both share an interest in each other. If shes going out with the jerk off, shes most likely not ready to settle down.

I also think that too man people try to look for certain qualities in a person, and try to latch on when they find them. Instead of waiting and actually finding someone that theyre fully compatible with. Like if a chick is hot, has big tits, and is a lot of fun to party with, just because youre attracted to her, that doesnt mean shes the one that you need to be in a relationship with. Most likely thats not going to work out for you.

So just be yourself and use patience when looking. Or be a d*ck, and use all the types of deception thats out there if youre looking for a hookup.
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Yeah that was me broski. I mean I'd hit it (she prefers railed), but I dunno about being married to a woman like squeaks, that's a diff story.
 
ReaperX said:
Yeah that was me broski. I mean I'd hit it (she prefers railed), but I dunno about being married to a woman like squeaks, that's a diff story.
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I think there were a couple of people with that opinion too. I just think that the way she talks about having the type of relationship she does with her husband, and the total openness thats involved is something that isnt exactly the way most marriages are. Being honest, most guys are going to think about plugging other women while theyre married, and women as well. When you can have that out in the open, and know that the other person isnt hiding anything from you, you can be more secure with your relationship. Its that type of openness that I like.

But it all goes back to what I mentioned earlier, its just about finding what actually fits the individual person. If that doesnt fit into what you want, youre entitled to that just the same.
 
One thing which is never addressed enough IMO is that picking up the right type of woman is the most important thing. I'm guilty of having been with chicks that I found repulsive but I just stuck it out for sex and one of us quit before there was a homicide (j/k).

Picking up chicks isn't rocket science. Most of us can go to a club and pick up 2-3 skanks this Friday night. The true game consists of finding one that you like and connect with on all levels.
 
I agree, with the above two posters. I have never wanted a guy more that acts indifferent. When it comes to anything serious I want the nice guy, the one I can stand to live with and talk to.
 
RenegadeRows said:
...are truly attracted to men who ignore them and act like they are uninterested???

I'm, by nature a "nice guy", one who watches the girl of his dreams go out with a total jerk, while I'm the guy she comes to for ADVICES.

What's up with this phenomena? Should I go against every fiber of my body and act like a jerk to get a girl?

Or should I stick to being myself, a nice guy, and get **** on?
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hey RR hows it going buddy!?

Like 2 weeks ago I got curious and I went around youtube looking for some vids. I found a whole bunch of stuff on pick up artist and one show that was intresting was Keys to the vip(youtube search it, its basically a real life club in where guys or self proclaimed "players" try to pick up chicks with the rules that are given. Its funny to watch girls reactions and it sort of gives you some hands on footage of how rejections happen and things that may have gone wrong.)

If you want I can also hook you up with this e-book I downloaded but using lines from a book is corny in my opinion. You learn plenty from these books. Like for instance nice guys usually dont initiate enough vibe or dont come across clear to women what they want. At first they are the nice friend and then it seems like they try to hit on the women building up some weird comfort.) Imagine one of your close girl friends suddenly trying to mack on you, uncomfortable eh?

I read a lot of intresting ideas on this one guy "mystery" which is what they call him. He and other people basically use tactics as to not show intrest in the girl, in which they will then show some indication of intrest to you as to why you have no intrest in them, and it goes on from there. The ideas he has about getting better at meeting people and in general women is quite shocking. He puts it out clear and simple, the entire phychology of it and youll be like ohhh yeah. PM me if you want me to send you the book. I wouldnt use his corny pick ups or his pick up methods as I find myself being fake if I were to use them, but understanding, being intresting, showing no intrest, and building comfort is very important. (according to him any many others)

Some stuff he says or states is that meeting women has 3 stages.

Pick up- stage where you initiate conversation with the girl and build intrest.

comfort- where you allow the girl to become more comfortable with you/ you become more comfortable with her while getting to really "know" her

seduction- yeah you know how it goes ;) bang bang bang :hammer:

but those are the basic outlines of what he says. It's intresting to read about. PM I can give you some links if you want that I discovered.
 
You guys should talk with JBlaze - if he were around. He's helped me quite a bit.

Best advice I've taken from him that seems to work in nearly every environment is to have fun all the time and to live in the moment.
(I have a hard time with both of those.)

As far the PUA stuff - just remember that the self is always coming through.
That PUA stuff is a shell. Your true identity won't change with PUA stuff. (Been there done that on David DeAngelo's stuff - I didn't buy it though.)
 
badfish51581 said:
Hahaha, you're sending guys down a very dark road.

Joe
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i agree that people shouldnt use books and take lines from books but its always nice to read the ideas some of these people have. They base their book on the phychological theory's and Its quite intresting to read ;]

You can download that on limewire for free, I dont know why ANYONE would pay for the books. :fool2:
 
jmh80 said:
You guys should talk with JBlaze - if he were around. He's helped me quite a bit.

Best advice I've taken from him that seems to work in nearly every environment is to have fun all the time and to live in the moment.
(I have a hard time with both of those.)

As far the PUA stuff - just remember that the self is always coming through.
That PUA stuff is a shell. Your true identity won't change with PUA stuff. (Been there done that on David DeAngelo's stuff - I didn't buy it though.)
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I actually found a site of this normal looking dude who started using routines of "mystery's"

He didnt like it and adapted it to himself. No cheezy lines, just having the balls to go up to random girls, talking to them in an intresting way was more than enough for him to get some girls. I also never liked the idea of changing yourself, but the entire idea is to adapt to the beliefs and sorta do it in your own style, not someone elses.
 
I read Palo Alto Dave's response and he hit the nail on the head. Nice guys don't finish last, just boring guys.




Also too a lot of the pick up artist and stuff that David DeAngelo was talking about have a lot of intiating information. I made sure no one was around and I kept the volume very quiet when I was watching this videos as it would have been embarassing had anyone known that I was watching these.

Same deal here. Keep them interested, etc, etc.


This is just me personally: I get tired of having to put on a 'front' all the time. I've done it for so long now that I get sick of doing it all the time. I still do to a certain extent act fake around alot of people. I used to do it at work, around co-workers, etc, etc.

This is part of the reason why my demeanor is so 'blunt' and no b.s. is b/c I'm sick of 'acting' all the time.


My ex in the past would kinda be like Squeaks. Not quite as bad, but was a female with high maintaince. Well, I know a shltload of random information but that didn't really get me anywhere.


So for a few years I put on this front of a party guy at college in a fraternity which I fake and hated doing it. Great for the girls, kept them entertained, and certainly kept them around, although I was constantly being fake all the time and I hated it. A lot of them were just very hot trashy girls with low self-esteem. Actually, they all were.


I'm naturally introverted, very forward, I like to do nothing, sleep a lot, play computer games, drink alcohol and play computer games and/or tennis/golf, have a real conversation with people, be sometimes serious, and not always be around a bunch of ****ing music and derty wh0res.


So yeah, it was a compromise for me. I just am who I am now which some people may find boring, but I got tired of wearing the other hat for too long. Not as an attack or anything, but I'm just going to be exactly who I am. If a woman finds it adequate for her taste, great, if not, well, more money for me to buy drinks for myself.


I suggest being yourself. I've been on both ends and I've learned that life is always better when you remove the bullshlt from it from every aspect.
 
Cellardude said:
I actually found a site of this normal looking dude who started using routines of "mystery's"

He didnt like it and adapted it to himself. No cheezy lines, just having the balls to go up to random girls, talking to them in an intresting way was more than enough for him to get some girls. I also never liked the idea of changing yourself, but the entire idea is to adapt to the beliefs and sorta do it in your own style, not someone elses.
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If you are bad with women - I think you do need to change your deep down personality.

At least that seems to be the best way to keep your success up when out no matter where and no matter when.

Vs. a tactic that you have really on nights and really off nights.


As far as pick up lines - you DON'T need them. You don't need clothes, shoes, a high dollar watch, a stylish haircut. You don't need stuff like that.

It comes from within.


Reaper - agree on be yourself. If the yourself doens't work for the women you are looking for - then you have a choice to change that IMO.
 
Look I'll stand up and say that I'm mediocre at best with women.

That's up from flat out terrible/inept/whatever adjective to describe desolate.
I'm not a bad looking guy either.

I've just looked around with some things mentioned to me and concepts offered to me and realized I think they are pretty much true.
I've resided that I need to improve my outlook on life for myself (esp. with my Dad passing just a few months ago). This seems to have helped attract girls around me. Has it lead to awesome dating success? No.
It's a start though.
 
Honestly, the one thing that has been of great fortune to me, I got involved with a very awesome and diverse group of friends. This group is also anywhere from mid+ 20s (my sister and I) all the way up to upper 50s or early 60s. Its weird how everyone is related to the group, but we all get along very well and it never gets boring. Some part of the group will meet up downtown, anywhere from once a week to 4 times a week. Just whoever shows up, shows up. We hang out at restaurants that have fun little bars and patios, and its always a good time. Just naturally laughing, joking, having fun.

Well, when we are all having a good time, people notice. People come over and get involved in conversations and we are always interacting with new people every time we go out. It makes it extremely easy to meet attractive women, and you always have something to talk about. And it just happens to work out in my favor since I am usually the only male under 30, and the majority of the 30 somethings are married and have their wives with them. It puts the numbers substantially in my favor. :) 3 young attractive girls walk into the bar, they have to walk past us, and we are naturally the life of the party, so they come over and I talk to them for a while.

So if you want to get girls to notice you, find a kick ass group of friends where you can be yourself.

That same group of friends... We all went to Jamaica together. A group of 43 of us went. That was an amazing time!
 
I personally don't feel there is any benefit towards acting any different than you normally are. Like I said before in my previous experience. I played both ends of the field, and I just felt uncomfortable pretending to be the person everyone wanted to be.


Then when I started to unwind and relax and be myself, suddenly this was unacceptable (both to the guys I hung out with and the hoe bags) so they started to drift away, which was fine, atleast I was who I am.


I feel like I have my own 'freedom' now instead of being confined to some personality I need to portray.


My friend is doing the whole 'VERY VERY VERY interesting guy' around girls and they enjoy him and they like his personality. Too bad his personality is exactly like mine. Eventually, he'll get sick of doing it just like I did.


Be yourself and leave the rest up to God.
 
When i asked my wife why she chose me at the time many years ago, she told me that i could always make here laugh and keep her attention. She was actually dating a guy when i met her, and i stole her away. :) She is a more serious person than I, but we compliment each other very well.

I can't emphasize enough how important it is to just be yourself and let the rest play itself out. Nobody likes a fake person and it will bite you in the azz in the end. I wasn't even looking for a serious relationship when it fell upon me. I believe that when it's your time, it will happen.
 
Trauma1 said:
When i asked my wife why she chose me at the time many years ago, she told me that i could always make here laugh and keep her attention. She was actually dating a guy when i met her, and i stole her away. :) She is a more serious person than I, but we compliment each other very well.

I can't emphasize enough how important it is to just be yourself and let the rest play itself out. Nobody likes a fake person and it will bite you in the azz in the end. I wasn't even looking for a serious relationship when it fell upon me. I believe that when it's your time, it will happen.
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I had no idea you were such a pimp. lol.


btw, that's some cold shlt.
 
Trauma1 said:
I can't emphasize enough how important it is to just be yourself and let the rest play itself out.
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Thats why I think the divorce rate is so high. Most people get involved with someone not being who they really are. Then who they are comes out, and it drives the two apart.

I really enjoy seeing two people who seem to genuinely fit well together being who they are. I think you can usually tell when you see those people.
 
ReaperX said:
I had no idea you were such a pimp. lol.


btw, that's some cold shlt.
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Nah not a pimp, but in nursing i'm around women all day long. Eventually the opportune time reveals itself.

How is that being cold? The guy was a complete dumbazz that she was already starting to kick to the curb.
 
Maverick60 said:
Thats why I think the divorce rate is so high. Most people get involved with someone not being who they really are. Then who they are comes out, and it drives the two apart.

I really enjoy seeing two people who seem to genuinely fit well together being who they are. I think you can usually tell when you see those people.
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Agreed - These are the people that when you look at them they genuinely look happy and in love. People get married for the wrong reasons all the time. If you're not yourself from the beginning, it will come back to haunt you in the end.
 
Trauma1 said:
If you're not yourself from the beginning, it will come back to haunt you in the end.
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And thats also part of the problem. Some people are just as*holes. Its hard to find someone that you can be yourself around when youre an as*hole deep down inside. haha.

Luckily Im only a partial as*hole, and Im usually nice about it while that side of me is on display. :afro:
 
Maverick60 said:
I cant say Ive gone that far. haha. Its mostly about physical attraction with me, as shallow as that is. But Im not looking for anything serious. Just fun for now. So hot chicks are the rule.
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I meant repulsive as in their attitudes and treatment of others LOL. They were pretty hot so I didn't care for some of the extra baggage. I figured it just came with the territory like when you sign TO you automatically expect some antics and you put up with them because he's a bad ass LOL - > Does that make sense to you ?
 
Iron Warrior said:
I meant repulsive as in their attitudes and treatment of others LOL. They were pretty hot so I didn't care for some of the extra baggage. I figured it just came with the territory like when you sign TO you automatically expect some antics and you put up with them because he's a bad ass LOL - > Does that make sense to you ?
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Oh. :lol:

And TO is a saint. I dont know what the 9ers and eagles' problems were. Oh, and the ravens... :lol:
 
So we all agree.. You might as well be yourself. because if you are going to act like someone else.. in the end of the day.. all you will have.. is yourself... better get use to it!
 
I'm not saying not to be yourself. But some people make it harder on themselves unnecessarily. There is nothing wrong with changing your mannerisms, attitude, or sociability for the better. Just because you grow as a person (i.e. change to a degree), doesn't make you "not yourself".

I think too many people misconstrue "be yourself", as continue doing everything you're currently doing. Becoming a more sociable, confident, fun person is not a bad thing as long as you're not compromising your morals. Break out of the shell and try new things, you'll be amazed at what happens. (Girls sold separately)
 
To that I agree. To better ones self is very important. But most boys ( and girls) only know how to do things in extremes. IE. i hate being too nice... so now.. i am going to be mean grrrrrrrrrr.. and then oh crud.. mean doesn't work... i am going to be nice... DAMN why did I get cheated on and used... or.. why wont she look at me waaaaaaaaaaaa lol

on that note.. my 15 min of free time is over. time to shower all this pool water off me...
 
Squeaks4ver said:
To that I agree. To better ones self is very important. But most boys ( and girls) only know how to do things in extremes. IE. i hate being too nice... so now.. i am going to be mean grrrrrrrrrr.. and then oh crud.. mean doesn't work... i am going to be nice... DAMN why did I get cheated on and used... or.. why wont she look at me waaaaaaaaaaaa lol

on that note.. my 15 min of free time is over. time to shower all this pool water off me...
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Lauren Conrad didn't return my call last night, so yeah Squeaks works. I guess I'll hit it.
 
Squeaks4ver said:
So we all agree.. You might as well be yourself. because if you are going to act like someone else.. in the end of the day.. all you will have.. is yourself... better get use to it!
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I'll agree this to a certain extent. There are guys I know who will just not make simple modifications that would help them out. A good friend of mine dresses like a bum and shaves every 3-4 days. Sometimes he looks like a brand new homeless person with his appearance. I tell him to buy nicer clothes and look like a eligible bachelor but he'll say some stupid a$$ thing along the lines of "This is how I am and if they don't like it then too bad". It's almost to the point where I'm embarassed to be seen in public with the guy based on his look although he's a cool guy and one of the funniest people I know.
 
Maverick60 said:
Oh. :lol:

And TO is a saint. I dont know what the 9ers and eagles' problems were. Oh, and the ravens... :lol:
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They just weren't making the proper accomodation, didn't you know that LOL ? BTW, what's wrong with Jeff Garcia and Donovan McNabb ? Don't those scrubs know that they'd be crap if it wasn't for TO LOL ? Damn, poor TO always gets the short end of the stick :D
 
Maverick60 said:
Thats why I think the divorce rate is so high. Most people get involved with someone not being who they really are. Then who they are comes out, and it drives the two apart.

I really enjoy seeing two people who seem to genuinely fit well together being who they are. I think you can usually tell when you see those people.
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I met my wife in may 95, started dating in june, got engaged in july, married in august, pregnant in september. We still hold hands when we walk in public, and have had people make fun of us for kissing in public too :)
 
One more thing you have to remember is that picking up girls(and finding ones that you could have a relationship with,) is a numbers game.
You are gonna strike out most of the time, and most people you date you will find you are not compatible with in the long term.
You just have to keep getting out there and meeting people and eventually you are going to get lucky.

Be outgoing, interesting, and funny and you will get girls. Combined with the fact that most people on this forum are in good to very good shape and it really isn't that difficult.
 
Squeaks4ver said:
So we all agree.. You might as well be yourself. because if you are going to act like someone else.. in the end of the day.. all you will have.. is yourself... better get use to it!
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Depending on what you want out of life. In the big picture, sure, that is going to hold true. But Im still more interested in having a good time, Ill occasionally step out of my natural form if I can benefit for a short period of time. I like to think of it as being flexible and diverse in who I am. :) But when it comes time for that one girl, Ill know to be true to myself.
 
EasyEJL said:
I met my wife in may 95, started dating in june, got engaged in july, married in august, pregnant in september. We still hold hands when we walk in public, and have had people make fun of us for kissing in public too :)
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Thats impressive Easy. :thumbsup:
 
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