I'll be starting a 4 week VL DMZ run in a couple weeks. I'm thinking of stacking with FS Androtest, but am open to suggestions whether that be oral or TD.
I like modern 4-andro via TD or oral cyclosomal/liposomal delivery so much I am actually looking to loose my last 10x German AP.de Test E 300 vials.DMZ @ 15 just a few days to assess how my body responds, then 30/30/45/45 is the plan (~30 days total). I weight 165 so 30 may be plenty for the entirety, but since this is my first time with DMZ i'll judge as I go.
Lack a proper source, so I haven't tested those waters yet. This will be my 4th PH run (OG H-drol, Utradrol, then Ultradrol/Max LMG).
Well, Iconic just release Alpha Four (TD). Their new black series products have been getting great reviews and are top notch.What are some well reviewed 4-andro's? Never used a TD product so that's completely foreign to me, but open to options. Like I said really looking for something to compliment DMZ for a clean bulk.
Have you used Androtest before? I didn't find a lot of information on it, particularly recent reviews.
Looks good but has a major price tag on it. Is 225mg in 5 pumps equivalent to a full oral dose?Well, Iconic just release Alpha Four (TD). Their new black series products have been getting great reviews and are top notch.
I’m on day 8 of VL dmz at 30mg a day. So far so good other than some lethargy but a power nap has helped. I’m might stay at 30 for 6 weeks or bump it up I’m 240lbs at 6’4.DMZ @ 15 just a few days to assess how my body responds, then 30/30/45/45 is the plan (~30 days total). I weight 165 so 30 may be plenty for the entirety, but since this is my first time with DMZ i'll judge as I go.
Lack a proper source, so I haven't tested those waters yet. This will be my 4th PH run (OG H-drol, Utradrol, then Ultradrol/Max LMG).
How quickly did it kick in?I’m on day 8 of VL dmz at 30mg a day. So far so good other than some lethargy but a power nap has helped. I’m might stay at 30 for 6 weeks or bump it up I’m 240lbs at 6’4.
First day and not even joking. The pump I had after first dose was insane. Day 3 my wife was asking why my chest looks pumped all day and back feeling tighterHow quickly did it kick in?
Awesome, I cant wait to get it started.First day and not even joking. The pump I had after first dose was insane. Day 3 my wife was asking why my chest looks pumped all day and back feeling tighter
Going to avoid 2 Methyls, but that's a possibility in the future.Always had good results with Msten or m1a with it
@xR1pp3Rx @ZOO Could you guys provide some input? I'm about to run zombie too.Whats the best way to take this? Stomach have to be empty?
How should the dose be separated?
Lastly, can it be taken along side liver care supps?
The pills are 15mg, so that's the lowest dose you're going to take unless you half the capsule. I think 30mg will be the sweet spot for me based on weight, but as I mentioned, I will access tolerance as I go.that dose is WAY to high. Its the same with people running superdrol or msten, they take 30mg msten or 20mg superdrol, when in reality msten can be run at 10mg a day for the same effect and superdrol can be ran even lower
30mg DMZ for a 165er is not excessive in any way. For all but hyper-responders or those with very little development relative to their natural potential, it’s the right dose.that dose is WAY to high. Its the same with people running superdrol or msten, they take 30mg msten or 20mg superdrol, when in reality msten can be run at 10mg a day for the same effect and superdrol can be ran even lower
I want to avoid anything 19-NOR. I got horrible acne (back and face) from max LMG several years back.my hands down favorite is DMZ paired with trest. you can get alpha 7 at PRE and i think they have a sale running~ u will want the TD.
I think its an over reach to think every 19 nor will behave the same. They dont. but that said... test?I want to avoid anything 19-NOR. I got horrible acne (back and face) from max LMG several years back.
About an hour pre workout. I haven't taken DMZ yet, but have heard that it's great take pre workout, for the workout.Bump for info in the best way to take Dmz
Is it ok to take it with liver support supps? Like NACi take it with food but its methylated so you could take with out .. i also split the dose up but you probably dont need to do that either..
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If you’re doing a 4-week cycle and have the Androtest on hand that’ll be perfect. A little estrogen and test to keep you feeling a bit better and not getting as dry joints or lethargic, plus a few more lbs.@Hyde What you got for me? Assuming no pins or 19-NOR, doing a clean bulk with +25% surplus calories, what would you add to DMZ?
If you’re doing a 4-week cycle and have the Androtest on hand that’ll be perfect. A little estrogen and test to keep you feeling a bit better and not getting as dry joints or lethargic, plus a few more lbs.@Hyde What you got for me? Assuming no pins or 19-NOR, doing a clean bulk with +25% surplus calories, what would you add to DMZ?
I dont see a problem with taking a stim or non swim, as long as u monitor BP....What's the general consensus on taking a non-stim PWO while on DMZ?
I have some OL Sup3r Epi on hand, had planned on going 1-2 weeks DMZ alone since its the first time I've used it, then adding to the stack.I recommend Epiandro over 4- Andro.I have rune as high as 75 mgs of DMZ with no sides.I ran it with dbol a few months ago.
NO sides at 75mg DMZ? Nothing remotely undesirable? No lethargy, diminished appetite, cramps, acne, shedding, blood pressure increases, etc?I recommend Epiandro over 4- Andro.I have rune as high as 75 mgs of DMZ with no sides.I ran it with dbol a few months ago.
I do question the amounts/content of some of their products, but I will say their Mk677 is for sure totally legit. 1 cap adds a ton of waterweight and recovery for me, and elevated fasting blood glucose, like clockwork.Definitely NOT bunk. Everything I have ever got from Aggressive has been GTG.
What everyone is saying really is you might lose hair and you might notThi side only get noticable
Now if I add Msten to Dmz , THEN I get some sides.
Don’t be discouraged. It doesn’t seem to kick in for me until somewhere between the 1 to 2 week mark.Day 5 DMZ (30mg).
No real feels yet, kind of surprised as I'm fairly sensitive to any supps and weigh 165. My gym sessions have been strong to start but I fade fast, that may be the lack of PWO stims all the sudden. Today is my off day then tomorrow back at legs so I'm really hoping that's when I hit that ON moment.
Guess I'll jump to 45 tomorrow. Nothing to report so far, whether that be positive or negative.Based on your past cycle experience I would say go to 45mg now.
Not even better pumps in the gym?Guess I'll jump to 45 tomorrow. Nothing to report so far, whether that be positive or negative.
Not really, totally underwhelming so far. Aren't you on DMZ? What results you having?Not even better pumps in the gym?
On day 3 now. 40mg. Today is rest day. Yesterday in the gym pumps were pretty good. Tomorrow is pull day, will better gauge tomorrow.Not really, totally underwhelming so far. Aren't you on DMZ? What results you having?
So I am on day 4 of DMZ, 40MG, was pull day today. The pumps have kicked in. Very very noticeable on just 4th day.Day 10 DMZ (45 mg)
Jumped to 45mg yesterday and I got a pump washing my hair this morning. Training legs today (which is a focus of this run) so I'm hoping to have a breakthrough workout. Doing a high volume program for legs.
Also, I've added about 20% caloric intake and my stomach is feeling it so I'm thinking of adding a digestive enzyme supplement mainly for my larger meals. Looking at Masszymes sold on amazon.
Damn, well assuming 45mg does me well in the next few days, then I guess I can chalk it up to 30mg just not being an effective dose. Otherwise... it's something I don't want to claim yet.So I am on day 4 of DMZ, 40MG, was pull day today. The pumps have kicked in. Very very noticeable on just 4th day.
Using OL brand.Damn, well assuming 45mg does me well in the next few days, then I guess I can chalk it up to 30mg just not being an effective dose. Otherwise... it's something I don't want to claim yet.
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