Well, logically, you’d want the TUDCA in your system already when the methyl steroids hit the liver... and you’d want the NAC in your system AFTER they hit your liver.
Right, there are a lot of efficiencies but unless somebody wants their alarm going off every 15 min to take a pill, it’s easier to just eat the **** and move on.
I have found through trial and error that TUDCA & NAC make substantial differences in my liver enzymes and bilirubin levels regardless of support timing in relation to food or the orals.
And for the record, swim is right, it takes quite a lot of nac and Tudca dosed every (8) few minutes to really “undo the damage” you’re doing.
The toxicity of most steroids is highly overrated. And the irritation they cause is not permanent. To do long term damage you’d have to be close to going to the hospital for a few days at least, and likely you’d have to do that multiple times in your life.
Meaning you have to push choleostasis very far or go into it many times in order to actually mess up your liver.
When you see guys saying they used to be able to do big oral stack and now they can’t, that’s what I’m talking about. They don’t need a liver transplant or anything, their liver just isn’t as good as it was.
Sometimes it’s because they drank too much in life. Alcohol causes microscopic scarring in the liver tissue. That is permanent.
Steroids don’t do that.
This is a great point that deserves more attention. The liver is pretty stout, and it can come back from a lot - if cells aren’t dying, they will fully heal in time. Liver support is more critical when you’re trying to push the envelope, or just want to feel better. But it’s not really necessary.
Personally, I like to take orals still. Stacked, longer durations. Basically as much as I can handle reasonably comfortably. We’re talking about 4-5 months out of the year on methyls. If you wanna do that stuff, you are going to feel better and reduce chances of permanent scarring with TUDCA and NAC.
Somebody doing this particular cycle (30/30mg for 6 weeks) twice a year, maybe with a SARM only cycle also, probably could skip the TUDCA if they don’t care to feel as good as they can & be fine, and save a bunch of cash. But Swanson capped NAC is dirt cheap, so to me that should be in anybody’s arsenal using orals.