Dmz/M1A cycle

Update: took the first cap about 3 hours ago, and I’m feeling a great sense of well being, sorta have like a euphoria feeling in my stomach, probably 100% placebo. But ya I’m feeling good, one of those things were your so scared going into but when you finally do it all those fears disappear.
 
Bigmatt57 said:
Thanks!, I read online and read that L-arginine is great for lowering blood pressure as it is a natural nitric oxide booster, which expands blood vessels, Ill definitely see if my store as ALA, and I’ll pick up some more fish oil
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L-citrulline converts to more arginine in the body. Buy it in bulk powder. 3 grams in 30 mins will give you the best pump ever and if you take it before you make it with your lady, it gives the hardest pump there too. Infact can be used to treat ed. Best nitric oxide booster ever. The end result of that process is uric acid so if anyone is gout prone, keep that in mind with all nitric oxide boosters.
 
Bigmatt57 said:
Do you guys take your supports with or an hour before the oral? I’ve always taken them with it, but recently I read that you wanna take it a hour before so it doesn’t mess it.
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Those are claims are generally unsubstantiated. It really doesn’t seem to matter in the scheme of things. But some of those supports go better with food/not on an empty stomach, while orals (that aren’t andros) generally do a tad better on emptier stomachs as far as absorption. But it’s not a biggie at all, and I will always have my preWO nutrition on time regardless of oral dosing.

The one thing I do try to practice is limiting taking things with high fiber meals so the fiber doesn’t carry it out partially undigested.
 
Well, logically, you’d want the TUDCA in your system already when the methyl steroids hit the liver... and you’d want the NAC in your system AFTER they hit your liver.
 
And for the record, swim is right, it takes quite a lot of nac and Tudca dosed every (8) few minutes to really “undo the damage” you’re doing.

The toxicity of most steroids is highly overrated. And the irritation they cause is not permanent. To do long term damage you’d have to be close to going to the hospital for a few days at least, and likely you’d have to do that multiple times in your life.

Meaning you have to push choleostasis very far or go into it many times in order to actually mess up your liver.

When you see guys saying they used to be able to do big oral stack and now they can’t, that’s what I’m talking about. They don’t need a liver transplant or anything, their liver just isn’t as good as it was.

Sometimes it’s because they drank too much in life. Alcohol causes microscopic scarring in the liver tissue. That is permanent.

Steroids don’t do that.
 
Old Witch said:
Well, logically, you’d want the TUDCA in your system already when the methyl steroids hit the liver... and you’d want the NAC in your system AFTER they hit your liver.
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Right, there are a lot of efficiencies but unless somebody wants their alarm going off every 15 min to take a pill, it’s easier to just eat the **** and move on.

I have found through trial and error that TUDCA & NAC make substantial differences in my liver enzymes and bilirubin levels regardless of support timing in relation to food or the orals.

Old Witch said:
And for the record, swim is right, it takes quite a lot of nac and Tudca dosed every (8) few minutes to really “undo the damage” you’re doing.

The toxicity of most steroids is highly overrated. And the irritation they cause is not permanent. To do long term damage you’d have to be close to going to the hospital for a few days at least, and likely you’d have to do that multiple times in your life.

Meaning you have to push choleostasis very far or go into it many times in order to actually mess up your liver.

When you see guys saying they used to be able to do big oral stack and now they can’t, that’s what I’m talking about. They don’t need a liver transplant or anything, their liver just isn’t as good as it was.

Sometimes it’s because they drank too much in life. Alcohol causes microscopic scarring in the liver tissue. That is permanent.

Steroids don’t do that.
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This is a great point that deserves more attention. The liver is pretty stout, and it can come back from a lot - if cells aren’t dying, they will fully heal in time. Liver support is more critical when you’re trying to push the envelope, or just want to feel better. But it’s not really necessary.

Personally, I like to take orals still. Stacked, longer durations. Basically as much as I can handle reasonably comfortably. We’re talking about 4-5 months out of the year on methyls. If you wanna do that stuff, you are going to feel better and reduce chances of permanent scarring with TUDCA and NAC.

Somebody doing this particular cycle (30/30mg for 6 weeks) twice a year, maybe with a SARM only cycle also, probably could skip the TUDCA if they don’t care to feel as good as they can & be fine, and save a bunch of cash. But Swanson capped NAC is dirt cheap, so to me that should be in anybody’s arsenal using orals.
 
I’ve had a slight headache all day today, this isn’t nothing new tho, as every oral I’ve ever gave me a slight headache for the first few days, just something i though to report
 
Yep typically there’s always bp spikes as the body accommodates to a new dose. You can get away with more with less sides if you ramp things progressively typically. But you’ll be alright. Limiting caffeine is a great idea for now.
 
Hyde said:
Yep typically there’s always bp spikes as the body accommodates to a new dose. You can get away with more with less sides if you ramp things progressively typically. But you’ll be alright. Limiting caffeine is a great idea for now.
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Ya I’ll make sure I keep an eye on the BP, I’ll check it every night at the supermarket before I hit up the gym, I’ll report what it’s at tonight.
 
Mitchcrazz45 said:
You said if you smoke too much weed you get panic attacks, if you had a good amount of weed panic attacks then you should be able to handle any panic attacks from Aas, a panic attack from aas would just feel like a normal panic attack it’s not gonna be like your in a different state of mind.
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I tried MJ a couple times when compounds gave me some anxiety and it worked out poorly. I have found that the thc vape pens dont seem to cause any anxiety at all like I feel when smoking plants.....for what that's worth
 
F$ck smoking weed, that’s what gave me anxiety in the first place, I never had a tad of anxiety my whole life then one bad high (could of been lased idk) ruined my mental state forever
 
Just finished my first workout on it, Workout was great, which was unexpected cause I thought I would be a little anxious cause I’m on a new substance but nah I killed a solid 40 set back workout. I was really sweaty which is weird cause I never sweat, especially considering the gym I go to is like a freezer.
 
Welp, woke up this morning and was very nauseas and threw up all over, took some pepto bismol which seemed to help. Well I guess I gotta throw in the towel, damn. I really felt like this was gonna be good. I guess stronger orals just aren’t for me. Guys have any suggestions on what I could run now? I think I’m just gonna pick up a bottle of some LGD. And run that for 8 weeks.
 
Hyde said:
Damn, you’re not even going to see if it goes away, or if you’re actually maybe just sick?
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both times I ran Epistane it made me nauseas like this, But those times I was able to take some pepto bismol and ride it out, but now I have a job and responsibilities so I’m not sure if that should be the move.
 
If it’s chronic it will be from orals and yes you should stop. But I’m saying don’t you want to see what tomorrow brings before deciding that’s actually the root cause?
 
Bigmatt57 said:
Just took another cap, now off to work . Wish me luck lol
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If you are feeling sick to your stomach try some Emetrol it will help with that more than pepto, and it won't back you up. The last think you want to do while on methyls is to cause yourself constipation! That pepto will turn your crap into immovable black tar!

Also how much water are you getting in a day, and are you using TUDCA or just basic liver supps. I find that TUDCA goes a long way toward relieving some of the stomach sides from the liver getting hit harder than normal. So long as you are able to clear the bile you are not going to have any where near the toxins in your system. TUDCA helps keep the bile ducts moving... most of the other stuff just aids in the recovery, or protection of the liver, but a clogged bile duct causes sides pretty quick in my experience. Also make sure you are getting in a good amount of water to help flush toxins...
 
MrKleen73 said:
If you are feeling sick to your stomach try some Emetrol it will help with that more than pepto, and it won't back you up. The last think you want to do while on methyls is to cause yourself constipation! That pepto will turn your crap into immovable black tar!

Also how much water are you getting in a day, and are you using TUDCA or just basic liver supps. I find that TUDCA goes a long way toward relieving some of the stomach sides from the liver getting hit harder than normal. So long as you are able to clear the bile you are not going to have any where near the toxins in your system. TUDCA helps keep the bile ducts moving... most of the other stuff just aids in the recovery, or protection of the liver, but a clogged bile duct causes sides pretty quick in my experience. Also make sure you are getting in a good amount of water to help flush toxins...
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Nah I wish had tudca, but for liver sups I’m taking
1250mg milk thistle
1200mg NAC

Supposedly the product I’m taking claims it has Tudca in it, but says no dosage. So take that for what it’s worth.
 
GunShow Supplements sells a bulk powder 50grams for 99, or they have capped ones with 500mg NAC in there as well for pretty cheap too. I would not run a strong methyl cycle without it personally. I tend to get sides, nausea, and poor appetite on orals, and this is one of the biggest things that have helped me with the methyl cycles.

It is definitely worth it, even if you don't feel you have the money, your well being is worth moving some other expenses around a bit in order to get sorted out.
 
If you puke again, or get very nauseous, discontinue. If you puke or are still nauseous tomorrow after stopping you’re probably sick. If not you will know it’s the orals and I would personally call it quits at that point.
 
Day 3 recap: today was a great day, besides me yaking this morning. But at least when I get nauseas with orals some pepto makes me better instantly , definitely gonna pick up some emetrol next time I go to super market. It’s funny because I was so scared to run this cycle because of anxiety, but actually my anxiety has been down. My boss called me into his office today, normally I would be scared as hell, but today I didn’t have a fear in the world and walked in my chest out. Workout tonight was great killed some Biceps. Pump was INSANE, I already look bigger In 3 days and I’m already up like 3 pounds, insane.
 
Hey just a quick question, since today is day 4 and I have yet to experience any bad anxiety, would you guys think it’s safe to say I won’t feel any all cycle, since my logs I read were people experienced anxiety they said it started within the first few days
 
Bigmatt57 said:
Hey just a quick question, since today is day 4 and I have yet to experience any bad anxiety, would you guys think it’s safe to say I won’t feel any all cycle, since my logs I read were people experienced anxiety they said it started within the first few days
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Couldn't say for sure, but you're probably good.
 
Yeah you’re probably fine. When you get side effects you might have some anxiety over it. But maybe not. I remember taking dmz being fairly alpha feeling, but I did have some paranoia the first little bit.
 
Old Witch said:
Yeah you’re probably fine. When you get side effects you might have some anxiety over it. But maybe not. I remember taking dmz being fairly alpha feeling, but I did have some paranoia the first little bit.
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Ya like right now the day’s feel so slow cause I’m worrying about any new potential side effects, but by next week I’ll be taking this stuff without even thinking about it, if that makes sense.
 
Bigmatt57 said:
Ya like right now the day’s feel so slow cause I’m worrying about any new potential side effects, but by next week I’ll be taking this stuff without even thinking about it, if that makes sense.
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Yeah and round about then is when the actual sides will start to show up, mildly. BP creeps up slowly. Then you might get headaches during training , or sex... erection quality might go way up or down.

If you can buy some cialis, go ahead and use that at 2.5mg as needed per day (NOT EVERY DAY, just one dose per day, any day your bp is too high) to lower your blood pressure around week 3. Buy a standard aneroid sphygmomanometer as well to monitor bp. This should be considered somewhat necessary for all cycles.

If anyone calls me out, or daft, for the above, I will be surprised for one and combative as well. Definitely prepared to defend that viewpoint.
 
Old Witch said:
Yeah and round about then is when the actual sides will start to show up, mildly. BP creeps up slowly. Then you might get headaches during training , or sex... erection quality might go way up or down.

If you can buy some cialis, go ahead and use that at 2.5mg as needed per day (NOT EVERY DAY, just one dose per day, any day your bp is too high) to lower your blood pressure around week 3. Buy a standard aneroid sphygmomanometer as well to monitor bp. This should be considered somewhat necessary for all cycles.

If anyone calls me out, or daft, for the above, I will be surprised for one and combative as well. Definitely prepared to defend that viewpoint.
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Why do you say cialis NOT every day? Wouldnt that be an easy measure instead of waiting for bp to rise again?
 
bigbeaph said:
Why do you say cialis NOT every day? Wouldnt that be an easy measure instead of waiting for bp to rise again?
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It can stay in your system longer than a day in some cases, so if you need it every day then you need it every day. If you let it build up, because you didn’t need it every day, not so good for you.

Personally I’d be taking about 5mg EOD, but... that’s me.
 
bigbeaph said:
Why do you say cialis NOT every day? Wouldnt that be an easy measure instead of waiting for bp to rise again?
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The reason I don’t use it every day - just an opinion from the peanut gallery - is because I am only 28 and want Cialis to work when I need it, like occasionally in PCT. A guy in his 40s that’s on for life, makes perfect sense. Younger guy cycling, I would use less Cialis less often so you have somewhere to go later on.

If blood pressure is serious enough that daily LISS/conditioning work, diet rich in greens/potassium, calcium, hawthorn berry, celery seed extract, Arjuna, curcumin, nitrates aren’t cutting it, next step for me personally would be experimenting carefully with Carditone or getting actual bp meds if that didn’t work.
 
Hyde said:
The reason I don’t use it every day - just an opinion from the peanut gallery - is because I am only 28 and want Cialis to work when I need it, like occasionally in PCT. A guy in his 40s that’s on for life, makes perfect sense. Younger guy cycling, I would use less Cialis less often so you have somewhere to go later on.

If blood pressure is serious enough that daily LISS/conditioning work, diet rich in greens/potassium, calcium, hawthorn berry, celery seed extract, Arjuna, curcumin, nitrates aren’t cutting it, next step for me personally would be experimenting carefully with Carditone or getting actual bp meds if that didn’t work.
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If Blood Pressure gets that bad, then I’m just gonna hop off. Not worth the risk imo. But I’m taking 1500mg Hawthorn berry, 100mg L-theanine, 5g fish oil, 100mg Coq10. So hopefully that isn’t a problem
 
I’m much more comfortable taking cialis than with the idea of carditone or using actual BP meds. I’d be taking gw501516 before doing either of those.
 
I’ve suffered from a major anxiety disorder for most of my adult life, but strangely enough, years ago ran cel’s dzine and had a very pleasant cycle.Everyone reacts differently. Hopefully yours stays nice and chill man!
 
Day 4 recap: Today was another good day, no sides to speak of today accept great pumps and aggression in the gym. No nausea today which was great. Also this most likely isn’t it but yesterday when I was nauseas i forgot to take NAC that day. So maybe that had something to do with it. Sitting around 160 right now which is insane. 5lbs In 4 days!
 
One side effect to note tho, is whenever it’s time to go to sleep, I’m always so freaking hot, like I set my AC to 68 degrees, my girlfriend is laying next me freezing all snuggled up and I’m here laying naked hot as mofo.
 
Kratom267 said:
Add some kyolic garlic cardio formula capsules...actually dropped my high bp after only a couple days use.
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^This is a very safe healthy option to consider.

Bigmatt57 said:
One side effect to note tho, is whenever it’s time to go to sleep, I’m always so freaking hot, like I set my AC to 68 degrees, my girlfriend is laying next me freezing all snuggled up and I’m here laying naked hot as mofo.
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Bro welcome to my life; it doesn’t really get better. Getting jacked and eating lots of carbs means you are gonna run warmer, especially on the hormones
 
You guys think I should even bother picking up a OTC pct such as Super PCT in addition to Nolvadex or just stick with nolva at 20/20/10/10
 
Nice work on the dbs! Time to go up in weight!

No otc pct can touch what a SERM like Nolva will do. Very unnecessary.

Also I miss your fat Ricky avatar.
 
Day 5 recap: Good Day today, killed chest. No new sides and blood pressure is looking good. Up to 162, started 155.
 
Day 6 recap: Taking a rest day today, feeling sore, tired and little sluggish today. I felt a little anxious today, maybe because it’s Monday lol. Blood Pressure was 137/62 today, a little on the higher side but not terrible. Weight is around 163. Gonna drink a 1000 Calorie Protein shake, take my last cap of the Dmz/M1A for the day, then hit the hay.
 
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