just not bud.extensively search done already,no clear answer.
I don't spend as much time on AM as I used to, but I don't think the answer to what exactly it is(was) was ever released and a couple people stated that wanted to run lab testing, but I never heard of tests being performed.could someone very chemically inclined explain what the hell exactly is the compound in METHOXY-TRN/MEGA-TRN???I bought a couple bottles about two years ago,but I have not yet found REAL info about it...
Wow, as u have read in my previous posts, i had never heard of all this designer stuff, i always used regualr juice, decca, winny, dbol, etc. but i thought this stuff was less toxic or had little side effects but i am reading that is not the case. So my question is why not rely on the regular stuff which at least u know works, its seems like a lot of people are spending money on stuff that doesnt work or has a lot of side effects and second what have u personally found that is outstanding to use and everyone univerally agrees it works and is not to hard on your system, any and all help would be greatly appreciated because i am still confused and i have been reading threads here now for about about a month and a halfI've thrown a few hundred dollars down the toilet after getting a compound and then having second thoughts...I'd probably have had second thoughts about these two.
What I've deep sixed: ProMagnon, Methoxy-Tst, Superdrol, and get this, two of those 500 tab M-1T bottles when they were selling for like $50 each, along with about 3 of the 100 tab bottles..sigh.
Im lucky i live in san diego, so i just cross the border and get ir done. But when i didnt live in calif that if u go to a bodybuilding gym there are always a couple of guys who are obviously on who will help u get someYo Koman, I completely agree with you bro but I am stationed in Maine and these foks up here could care less what they look like I can't find gear anywhere and i don't trust buying the real deal online any suggestions?
Understandable, two questions when u take these substances do u take blood tests and or clomid to make sure everything is cool. and second question when i first starting asking questions and i also noticed this of another guy u can check previous threads on here, guys were asking us if we were feds, whats up with that?I meant to add, I wouldn't just use a dangerous substance because it's legal and take that risk, that would be stupid. I would only use the legal substances that are safer.
cheers.
First off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.Understandable, two questions when u take these substances do u take blood tests and or clomid to make sure everything is cool. and second question when i first starting asking questions and i also noticed this of another guy u can check previous threads on here, guys were asking us if we were feds, whats up with that?
this is incredible, so when u ask questions, u are a fed, f the feds, i hate those buzzkillers, but i love how it says on the top of this site, learn, teach and lead, how can u learn when some of u guys automatically think anyone asking a question that might be dumb to u but itsnt to me is a fed, i am sorry for bothering u.I don't care if you're a Fed, I have nothing illegal :cheers:
Clomid would legally require a script, so, no clomid, or nolva, or any script serm. I haven't had any blood work done but then I haven't done anything risky. Other than just before the ban did a few superdrols but then thought better of it. I feel much better after running two bottles of AI PCS and now finishing up on a couple weeks of Restore. As far as I'm concerned, I wish they'd stop the damn witch hunt already, however, I don't need PH's to achieve my goals, I'm just lazy. I got as big as I would ever want to get by completely natural means, now, I want to get back there, and as quickly as possible, but never by breaking the law, you fed you.
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
ReppedFirst off, Who are "we"? Are you schizo or are there more than one of you? Secondly, all the info you have questioned redundantly about is all available by reading old posts.
There are dangerous supps and not so dangerous supps. But, they are legal. Many do legal and illegal hormones. Many won't use use illegal for the simple sense that they are illegal. Some don't like needles. Some like convenience. And others cannot obtain illegal juice even if they wanted to.
Many people get blood tests and most do not. The results of those have varied from not much change in levels to very unhealthy results (which correct when usage ceases).
When taking short cycles, such as the legal pills, most don't take anti-estrogens/ SERMs while ON, but it definately depends on which compound they are taking. Most do take something for post cycle therapy. Ancillaries are a must.
NOTE: How weird is that?? When I type P.C.T. with no punctuation, the PC/ AM spells it out!!!:blink:
Yo koman, no need to get your panties in a wad. It is advocated heavily on this board that if you have general questions, use the search function and read... if that does not yeild your desired results, then start a new thread and ask your question. The questions that you asked have been asked (and answered) ad nauseum already and you would have gotten your answers quicker had you done some searching.Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informed
not accused or insulted, peace. i wont bother u again
As stated by LME, I was not intending to insult you. I have sarcasm deeply seeded in my veins. I figured you were talking about someone besides you. I just couldn't pass at the alley-oop I was served. You know, funny, haha.Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informed
not accused or insulted, peace. i wont bother u again
Actually, that is trueI had heard that Feds have the ability to enter a post and make it show up 50x. :lol:
I think breathing oxygen for sustenance has been shown to aggrevate gyno.Read through the first post. I believe that all of the PHs that are known to aggravate gyno were listed as so.
In all honesty, nobody knows what some of these supps are though. I came across the above info while posting over at bb.com about Propadrol:sex hormone activity has nothing to do with DSHEA compliance. DSHEA compliance is an issue having to do with being found in food or other things
you are thinking DEA issue. that is more complicated. there is an exemption for progestins on there but its not so simple
besides, most of these componunds people are calling progestins are not really progestins. they share vague chemical similarity with known pharmaceutical progestins and maybe have slight progestational activity but in my expert opinion would NOT fall into the category of progestin. they would be considered in the androgen class.
case in point would be estra-4,9-dien-3,17-dione
...There appears to be some smoke and mirrors at play with this product. From the research that I have done the nomenclature doesn't quite make sense. I believe it would have to be 13-ethyl, not 12-ethyl, to be a progestin...this is contradicted by the "gona" nomenclaute though, because gona (gonane) is a class of progestins
Up until now I had almost convinced myself that Propadrol was nothing more than a low dose Max LMG with 3-OHAT.
What about the 12-ethyl as opposed to the 13-ethyl? Does that make any sense to you?The propadrol "whatever it is" actually is missing an oxygen at carbon 17. It is a very obscure compound.
There's two ways to name a chemical: IUPAC and "I have a life and a finite amount of ink"What about the 12-ethyl as opposed to the 13-ethyl? Does that make any sense to you?
FWIR progestins have their longest substituent group at the C-13 (or C-10), not C-12...the gona nomenclature lead me to believe that this is a progestin, but I'm admittedly very green with this sort of talk and organic chem in general.
IUPAC for gonane is 1,2-cyclopentanoperhydrophenanthrene.Thanks. I've been waiting all day for you to post back about this. I know just enough to understand, but not enough to make heads or tails of this. I didn't understand/know that it could be a gonane and not a progestin.
...and I had to laugh at the IUPAC comment. I'm getting all too familiar with both types of nomenclature :frustrate
Agreed! Interesting...Bump
Really good thread.